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Dell's Secret Linux Fling

Posted by Zonk on Tue Jan 09, 2007 01:34 PM
from the far-from-the-prying-eyes-of-the-world dept.
Slagged writes "The Register has up an article on Linux-based Dell systems being sold in China. While Microsoft quashed an attempt by Dell to create a market for Linux PCs in the U.S., such restrictions are not the case in Asia. From the article: 'Fifteen months ago our own Ashlee Vance, who broke the news of the first break-up in 2001, proved how hard it is to buy a PC from Dell without Windows. Not pre-loaded with Linux mind you - but simply a bare bones box. But far away from the prying eyes of Steve Ballmer, romance is blossoming. An eagle-eyed reader found the fruits of the union, brazenly on display in a Beijing subway.' The article has pictures of the advertisements, which offer Dell PCs preloaded with 'Red Flag Linux'."
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  • But far away from the prying eyes of Steve Ballmer, romance is blossoming.

    Well, sticking it all over the front page of one of the largest tech sites means it will get his full attention now.

    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      Well, sticking it all over the front page of one of the largest tech sites means it will get his full attention now.

      Thus lending a whole new, and unintended meaning to the term Red Flag Linux: "Red Flag! Linux"
  • Let me be the first to say: (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Janek Kozicki (722688) on Tuesday January 09 2007, @01:38PM (#17524564) Journal
    yay! [catb.org]
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        While I'm sure to get modded -5 EvilAssHole for this, I'm going to do it anyway.

        A coworker of mine runs a Myth box. Practically every day for the first month or so after he set it up he'd give me an update on the tinkering he had to do the previous night.
  • Hard to buy a bare pc...really? (Score:5, Informative)

    by Gr33nNight (679837) on Tuesday January 09 2007, @01:39PM (#17524574)
    Right before Christmas, I found an awesome deal for a Dell PC in their Small Business section. I configured it, added it to my cart and obviously found out I could not de-select Windows. So I called them up and the customer service rep saw my order and promptly removed Windows for me, saving about $50. 2 weeks later my PC arrived with freedos. Seems easy enough for me. Maybe it was because it was Small Business and not home.
    • Re:Hard to buy a bare pc...really? (Score:5, Informative)

      by nine-times (778537) <nine.times@gmail.com> on Tuesday January 09 2007, @01:47PM (#17524730) Homepage
      You actually can configure a desktop [dell.com] or notebook [dell.com] without Windows directly from their web site. The selection is more limited, and it's harder to find, but Dell will sell you a system with FreeDOS instead of Windows.
      [ Parent ]
      • Re:Hard to buy a bare pc...really? (Score:5, Interesting)

        by symbolset (646467) on Tuesday January 09 2007, @01:59PM (#17524924) Homepage Journal
        I've seen this before, and I didn't believe it, so I clicked your notebook link.
        The page you requested may no longer exist on Dell.com

        hmm...

        The desktop link still works right now though.

        [ Parent ]
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        Yep,

        Those are the N-Series equipment. They are a Godsend for shops like mine, where we use a RAID drive array and a custom Windows image. we don't have to pay the Windows tax on the machine just to wipe Windows off of it to install our version. (We have
        • Might want to be careful there. (Score:4, Informative)

          by Kadin2048 (468275) <slashdot,kadin&xoxy,net> on Tuesday January 09 2007, @03:18PM (#17526148) Homepage Journal
          Unless you have a very strange or old volume license agreement with Microsoft (different than every other volume license I've ever seen), what you are doing isn't legit. You can't install volume or corporate-license Windows on bare hardware; the hardware has to have some sort of Windows license on it first. I don't think Microsoft sells unlimited-install licenses that entitle you to put XP onto totally bare hardware. It's their way of cooperating with the big VARs; this is one of the reasons why you never see a big company with white-box PCs, even though any reasonably-sized organization with its own IT department could go to Taiwan and get their own equipment for half of what Dell charges. Only the gear that comes with a license sticker on it from the factory is eligible to have corporate images put onto it. (Which really makes me question the utility of those corporate licenses, but I guess that's because I'm not in management.)

          Dell is pretty clear about this on their n-Series page [dell.com], as it states in bold type: "It is not a Microsoft operating system and is not qualified for Windows licensing use under any existing Microsoft Volume Licensing Program (OPEN, Enterprise, etc.) Customers interested in a Microsoft® Windows® solution should purchase a Dell desktop pre-loaded with Windows XP Professional."

          If you get audited, you may be in trouble.
          [ Parent ]
          • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

            The blurb from that Dell page is just saying that FreeDOS has nothing to do with MS and in no way gives you a license to use anything MS related. If you take the full quote, it makes much more sense. This was the line directly before the bold part:
    • by multipart/mixed (163409) on Tuesday January 09 2007, @02:06PM (#17525030)
      Your PC came with freedos?

      Like inside the case, or were they still in the bag? Barbecue, or plain?
      [ Parent ]
  • Red Flag Linux... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by tehSpork (1000190) on Tuesday January 09 2007, @01:42PM (#17524638)
    Would it kill them to find an original name?
  • Nothing Clandestine About It (Score:5, Informative)

    by Pakup (624459) on Tuesday January 09 2007, @01:52PM (#17524802)
    Nothing at all.

    Just look at Dell's Chinese website: there, right in the middle, amongst all those Chinese characters, you'll see the caozuo xitong ("operating system") listed in clear Roman letters: Linux.

    http://www1.ap.dell.com/content/products/features. aspx/dimen_c521?c=cn&cs=cndhs1&l=zh&s=dhs [dell.com]

    (The stuff at the top says Dell "recommends the use of" XP Professional.)
  • Hard to get a Dell with no OS? (Score:5, Informative)

    by fudgefactor7 (581449) on Tuesday January 09 2007, @01:58PM (#17524890) Journal
    No it's not. I have one. OptiPlex GX280n. The "n" is for "no OS", it does come with a CD of FreeDOS, but other than that, you're on your own. You can see their newer versions of the "n" series by clicking this link http://www1.la.dell.com/content/products/compare.a spx/optix_n?c=pr&l=en&s=bsd [dell.com]
  • by flyingfsck (986395) on Tuesday January 09 2007, @02:26PM (#17525278)
    I have bought hundreds of Linux machines from Dell. For a corporate customer it isn't an issue.
  • by renehollan (138013) <rhollan.clearwire@net> on Tuesday January 09 2007, @02:43PM (#17525472) Homepage Journal
    ...proved how hard it is to buy a PC from Dell without Windows.

    I call bullsh*t, or at least misinformation.

    I was able to negotiate a refund of some $62 for each of four Dell PC purchased while I worked at a former employer because we explicitly did not want Windows for them. Even though it came preinstalled, with shrink-wrap installation media, we got the refund upon returning the installation media and attesting that we reformatted the hard disk.

    Dell was not difficult about it.

    Of course, the fact that all our desktops were Dell machines, and most of them did run Windows, and my employer did have a blanket corporate license from Microsoft for all MS software may have had something to do with it, but still.

    Of course, getting a refund for returning something you don't want is not the same as not having to purchase it in the first place, but the bottom line was that, in the end, Dell happily sold us PCs with no operating system on them.

  • Supreme irony (Score:3, Insightful)

    by CAIMLAS (41445) on Tuesday January 09 2007, @05:33PM (#17529402) Homepage Journal
    I am, in essence, an avowed capitalist, but let me say this:

    It is the supreme irony that it is possible to more freely purchase what you want in China than it is in the United States - the country of the products' origin and central influence of capitalism throughout the world.
    • Re:Lawl (Score:5, Funny)

      by Gerald (9696) on Tuesday January 09 2007, @01:45PM (#17524684) Homepage
      Does linux offer something similar to a HOSTS file?

      The HOSTS file is completely different in Linux. It's spelled with lower-case letters.
      [ Parent ]
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)


      loaded or will be loaded with "pirated" or "illegal" copies of Microsoft's Windows software


      Very true, but will it balance the years of Microsoft taxes levied on linux user's who purchased systems for linux use and were never provided the option of no-OS or
        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          The difference is that the victims of your hypothetical crimes are not tacitly encouraging it. Kidnap victims do not go around saying "If I am kidnapped I will not go to the cops", do they? They are also real crimes recognised by any society, not ones inve
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      What are you talking about?! We have hundreds of Dells of different types were I work and I've never seen one welded or riveted shut. I've seen rivets used in their construction but, not used to keep you from getting inside. I think you are mistaken. I kno