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Complete Mozart Works Now Free

Posted by samzenpus on Wed Dec 13, 2006 09:13 PM
from the eine-kleine-internet-nachtmusik dept.
An anonymous reader writes "Mozart's year-long 250th birthday party is ending on a high note with the musical scores of his complete works available for the first time free on the Internet. Although most classical music is obviously too old to be under copyright, the rights to specific editions of pieces are owned by the publishers. Now, the International Mozart Foundation has acquired the right to publish the prestigious New Mozart Edition of every Mozart work on the internet. The response has been so overwhelming that the Foundation has been forced to increase their server capacity."
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  • Mozardot (Score:5, Funny)

    Are you sure it isn't the Slashdot effect???
  • A+ (Score:2, Insightful)

    by grumpygrodyguy (603716) on Wednesday December 13 2006, @09:16PM (#17231904)
    Damn straight, information wants to be free!
    • Re:A+ (Score:5, Insightful)

      by s20451 (410424) on Wednesday December 13 2006, @10:02PM (#17232262)
      (Last Journal: Wednesday December 13 2006, @06:43PM)
      But producers of information still need to get paid.
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      • Re:A+ by jZnat (Score:2) Wednesday December 13 2006, @11:25PM
        • Re:A+ by sasami (Score:2) Thursday December 14 2006, @12:13AM
          • Re:A+ by jedidiah (Score:2) Thursday December 14 2006, @09:39AM
        • Re:A+ by pile0nades (Score:1) Thursday December 14 2006, @12:14PM
      • Re:A+ by aussie_a (Score:2) Thursday December 14 2006, @12:20AM
        • Re:A+ by omeomi (Score:2) Thursday December 14 2006, @12:50AM
          • Re:A+ (Score:5, Funny)

            by montyzooooma (853414) on Thursday December 14 2006, @03:22AM (#17233674)
            You're missing the point! The scores have been set free in a victory against the RIAA! Now all I have to do is organise my own orchestra and I'm really going to be sticking it to the man...
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          • Re:A+ by namekuseijin (Score:2) Thursday December 14 2006, @05:10AM
            • Music by Z34107 (Score:3) Thursday December 14 2006, @01:06PM
              • Re:Music by namekuseijin (Score:2) Thursday December 14 2006, @03:23PM
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      • Re:A+ by Fordiman (Score:2) Thursday December 14 2006, @01:17AM
      • Re:A+ by fuzz6y (Score:3) Thursday December 14 2006, @01:45AM
      • Re:A+ by Vintermann (Score:3) Thursday December 14 2006, @01:47AM
      • Um I think That boat has sailed... by furbearntrout (Score:1) Thursday December 14 2006, @05:41AM
      • Re:A+ by zotz (Score:2) Thursday December 14 2006, @07:41AM
      • Re:A+ by jedidiah (Score:2) Thursday December 14 2006, @09:36AM
        • Re:A+ by Dabido (Score:1) Friday December 15 2006, @01:18AM
      • Re:A+ by teh_chrizzle (Score:2) Thursday December 14 2006, @11:28AM
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    • Re:A+ by nacturation (Score:3) Wednesday December 13 2006, @11:57PM
      • Re:A+ (Score:5, Insightful)

        by cpt kangarooski (3773) on Thursday December 14 2006, @12:52AM (#17233128)
        (http://slashdot.org/)
        Meh. It's like saying that water seeks its own level. It's just a way of saying that it runs downhill. Information wants to be free in that it spreads and spreads, but is very difficult to either keep from spreading, or to pull back, once it's gotten out. It has nothing to do with price, particularly, other than that it tends to spread more when it's free.
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      • Re:A+ (Score:5, Interesting)

        by Kjella (173770) on Thursday December 14 2006, @03:47AM (#17233774)
        (http://slashdot.org/)
        But seriously, the proper phrase is that you want someone else's information to be free. Information doesn't want anything.

        Look, if some dude feeds 5000 people with 5 loaves of bread and 2 fish, it's a miracle. If Linus Thorvalds provides Linux for all of mankind from a single master copy, big whoop. Fundamentally if I eat a fish, the fish is consumed. If I watch a movie, it is not.

        In classic economics you have the term "natural price", which means the zero-profit price ignoring R&D. For the abstract concept information. ignoring media costs - for example the difference between a blank and recorded CD - the natural cost is zero. That is the market price with perfect competition, everything else is caused by imperfections or government regulations in the market. In that sense, it's perfectly reasonable to say that information "wants to" be free.

        Of course a whole other story is that there'd be no commercial market, because you have a non-zero investment and zero profits. That is why even the founding fathers, who hardly were mouthpieces for copyright holders recognized copyright to "promote the science and arts". In addition, there's many other factors which means this isn't a perfect market. However, that only changes the market price, not the natural price. The more of these you remove, the more it will approach its natural price, whether you anthropomorphize it or not.
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        • Re:A+ (Score:4, Funny)

          by Dr. Blue (63477) on Thursday December 14 2006, @10:25AM (#17236986)
          If Linus Thorvalds provides Linux for all of mankind...

          Great... a one character typo, and now I've got a mental picture of Linus in the middle of a battlefield wielding a big-ass hammer. Thanks a lot.

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        • Re:A+ by timjdot (Score:2) Thursday December 14 2006, @10:55AM
        • Re:A+ by Half-pint HAL (Score:2) Thursday December 14 2006, @12:48PM
        • Re:A+ by shutdown -p now (Score:2) Friday December 15 2006, @02:47AM
      • Re:A+ by Digital Vomit (Score:2) Thursday December 14 2006, @06:21AM
      • Re:A+ by salimma (Score:2) Thursday December 14 2006, @09:23AM
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  • Slashdot effect.. (Score:5, Funny)

    by Beuno (740018) <argentina&gmail,com> on Wednesday December 13 2006, @09:17PM (#17231910)
    (http://www.beuno.com.ar/)
    The response has been so overwhelming that the Foundation has been forced to increase their server capacity.


    And now they're going to have to increase them again...
  • Can you download the music files also? If so, where are the links?
    • Re:Sheet music only? by NeoSkink (Score:2) Wednesday December 13 2006, @09:21PM
    • Re:Sheet music only? by jcarkeys (Score:1) Wednesday December 13 2006, @09:22PM
    • Re:Sheet music only? (Score:5, Funny)

      by stubear (130454) on Wednesday December 13 2006, @09:37PM (#17232064)
      You got the fucking code, compile it yourself.
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    • Re:Sheet music only? (Score:5, Informative)

      by FireFlie (850716) on Wednesday December 13 2006, @09:41PM (#17232114)
      If you want classical mp3s Classic Cat [classiccat.net] has a large selection of recordings of many composers' works. I believe it is all free and legal. Lot of good stuff.
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    • This was on AskMeFi earlier today. by Kadin2048 (Score:2) Wednesday December 13 2006, @10:05PM
      • Re:This was on AskMeFi earlier today. by CRCulver (Score:3) Wednesday December 13 2006, @10:31PM
        • Re:This was on AskMeFi earlier today. by SanityInAnarchy (Score:2) Wednesday December 13 2006, @11:41PM
        • Re:This was on AskMeFi earlier today. by cpt kangarooski (Score:3) Thursday December 14 2006, @12:50AM
        • Plenty of public-domain Mozart scores (Score:5, Informative)

          by waterbear (190559) on Thursday December 14 2006, @03:30AM (#17233700)
          The only scores definitely in the public domain are Mozart's original autographs. Engraved editions of his music, provided they were produced after 1923, are under copyright.

          By the way, that "1923" is a local US thing. The equivalent date in the UK, for example, would be "1980" (1981 from next month...): it's 25 years from the end of the year of first publication, for the copyright in an original typography of a per-se out-of-copyright work. (And editions made by photoreproduction of a previously published typography don't qualify for a fresh copyright of this kind.) It's also worth noting that this period for 'publisher's' copyrights is set by s.15 of the 1988 copyright act in the UK and was left unchanged when the duration of the _author's_ copyrights was extended from 50 years to 70 years from the end of the year of the author's death (1995 regulations).

          Aside from that, plenty of useful Mozart scores (e.g. many from Breitkopf and Haertel) were published in the 19th century, and are copyright-free even in the US, where Dover Publications for a long time provided a very useful service by republishing quite some numbers of them at reasonable prices.

          Creating a definitive text from various scribbled manuscripts is painstaking work, it's no surprise that copyright law covers this process as well as that of purely original works.

          The copyright in the NMA (Baerenreiter) scores appears to depend on two factors, (a) fresh typography and (b) the extent of significant editorial revisions. The first factor applies to all of the new-set scores, (and where the 25-year rule applies, some of these copyrights are already approaching or have even reached their end). The second factor may possibly not apply to all works, because to produce them it was certainly not usually a matter of "creating a definitive text from various scribbled manuscripts", some of the new editions differ from the old out-of-copyright ones by nothing more than a few corrected articulation-marks here or there -- like a few commas or periods of musical punctuation. But where the second factor does apply, it will presumably be an author's copyright timed by the lifetime + 70 years of the significant editor if any.

          Like one of the earlier posters, I also don't 'get it' that a scan of an out-of-copyright score can attract a fresh copyright -- and yet, it was a private assertion of this kind (not tested in any court as far as I know) that effectively drove a set of scans of old and out-of-copyright Mozart scores off the internet within the past few years.

          The complexity of copyright provisions, and their general unknown-ness, is clearly in itself a factor that takes away people's freedoms even to part of the extent that laws supposedly assure those freedoms. It is not often enough mentioned that, in this way, legal complications in themselves limit freedom.

          -wb-
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      • PDF? PHP? by SanityInAnarchy (Score:2) Wednesday December 13 2006, @11:38PM
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 13 2006, @09:20PM (#17231950)
    They finally finished reassembling him, eh? And he creates new works without charging a penny, eh?? EXCELLENT!

    I now command the recently re-animated corpse of Mozart to pen me a symphony, with no expectation of compensation! POST-HASTE!
  • Suggestions (Score:2)

    by KrackHouse (628313) on Wednesday December 13 2006, @09:22PM (#17231970)
    (http://houndwire.com/)
    The news article doesn't link to the site but has a link to the Amazon boxed set. Why aren't they using bit torrent? The site is a UI disaster. It's unclear how to find actual music.
    • Re:Suggestions by Anonymous Coward (Score:3) Wednesday December 13 2006, @09:35PM
    • Re:Suggestions by Petrushka (Score:3) Wednesday December 13 2006, @10:52PM
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  • weirdest torrent ever? (Score:3, Funny)

    by straponego (521991) on Wednesday December 13 2006, @09:24PM (#17231976)
    Probably not, but... okay, weirdest non-porn torrent ever?
  • Konquerer (Score:4, Informative)

    by X0563511 (793323) * on Wednesday December 13 2006, @09:29PM (#17232006)
    (http://keleus.freeshell.org/ | Last Journal: Sunday October 28, @02:17PM)
    Don't bother trying to get in with Konquerer. Holy mis-rendering Batman!

  • Rock Me Amadeus (Score:2)

    by jamesjw (213986) on Wednesday December 13 2006, @09:31PM (#17232022)
    (http://www.tastrek.org/)
    So does this mean I can download Falco's stuff without legal issues now? :)

  • other options (Score:5, Informative)

    by bcrowell (177657) on Wednesday December 13 2006, @09:32PM (#17232030)
    (http://www.lightandmatter.com/)
    Before anyone gets too excited -- there are plenty of public-domain editions of Mozart. This is just one particular edition that's going to be available online for free. There's actually a huge amount of PD sheed music available at Mutopia [mutopiaproject.org]. The nice thing about the Mutopia stuff is that it's in a format that's editable using free software (Lilypond). For instance, I've taken some Mozart horn duets and arranged them so my daughter and I can play them on violin and viola. Because it's in Lilypond format, it's easy to transpose, arrange, whatever. If all you want is digital scans of PD editions, there are various sites that will let you download scans for free [dmoz.org]. One thing that seems a little goofy about the NMA thing is that they make you agree to use this web site only for personal study and not to make copies except for my personal use under "Fair Use" principles of Copyright law as defined in this license agreement. Uh ... fair use is an exception to copyright. Hell, I can copy a Britney Spears CD and call it fair use.
  • that's not really "free" (Score:5, Insightful)

    by idlake (850372) on Wednesday December 13 2006, @09:32PM (#17232036)
    What they have put up is hardly "free"; it requires you to agree to a license agreement that limits you to "personal use" under "fair use" principles. Well, geez, you already could copy the music under those principles before.

    Companies like Barereiter have been playing tricks with copyright for a long time, for example, by slightly modifying sheet music every few years with meaningless (and often, erroneous) "interpretations".

    This is not how music should be treated 200 years after a composer's death, in particular in the day and age of the Internet. There is no reason why Mozart's entire body of work shouldn't be digitized and freely available with no restrictions on use at all, in a form like Project Gutenberg.
    • Re:that's not really "free" by vga_init (Score:2) Wednesday December 13 2006, @09:50PM
      • Re:that's not really "free" (Score:5, Informative)

        by jfengel (409917) on Wednesday December 13 2006, @10:01PM (#17232258)
        (http://slashdot.org/ | Last Journal: Monday November 03 2003, @03:59PM)
        The copyright is expired on the works, but not on this particular edition of the works, which is a particularly well-researched one.

        Think of an edition as being like a translation from another language. You could, if you want, transcribe the music yourself from Mozart's original documents, if you had them. (They're in various libraries and collections throughout the world; a friend of mine worked with some at the Library of Congress.) In fact, there are often several originals, some incomplete and some conflicting with each other.

        It's a lot of work, like doing a translation, and like a translation, the resulting document is itself a new work with a new original copyright date.
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      • Re:that's not really "free" by EvanED (Score:1) Wednesday December 13 2006, @10:01PM
    • Re:that's not really "free" by rk (Score:3) Wednesday December 13 2006, @09:58PM
    • Re:that's not really "free" by Metasquares (Score:2) Wednesday December 13 2006, @10:30PM
    • by RockyMountain (12635) on Wednesday December 13 2006, @11:56PM (#17232932)
      (http://slashdot.org/)
      This is not how music should be treated 200 years after a composer's death, in particular in the day and age of the Internet.

      I agree. And I'd like as much as the next person to see the complete Mozart truly free, "as in speech". But that does not negate the fact that this is a very significant event. I agree that it isn't free as in "free speech", only as in "free beer".
      But before today, it was free in neither sense.


      This is still a HUGE step in the right direction. As a violinist, for all practical purposes, I have the complete Mozart available to me. Even if I can't perform from these scores in public (I don't know if that's the case, just guessing), at least I can _get_ these scores. I can practice them. I can study them. I can even memorize them. And for the tiny percentage that I even want to perform in public, my orchestera will still have to pay up to rent the scores, as they've always done.

      Well, geez, you already could copy the music under those principles before.

      You'd first have to get your hands on them.

      Sure, you can argue that my rights under copyright haven't changed, versus previously-available versions. I could, under "fair use", xerox a printed edition that I'd purchassed, and use it in the same way that I can now use a download from this site. True in theory, but I'd still have to pony up literally hundreds of dollars for a half-decent edition of a complete score for a major work such as a symphony. In practice, it was prohibitively expensive to get your hands on this stuff before today, and impossible in a lot of cases. Now, it's a mouse click away.

      And before you remind me of Mutopia and others, just take a browse through them. Mutopia, for example, has about 60 hits for Mozart. Even if we assume each one is a complete score to a unique opus in original instrumentation, with all parts included -- a highly optimistic assumption! -- that's still less than 10% of Mozart's works.

      This is a _big_ deal.

      Think about how this impacts a musician's opportunities to learn music. Right now, if I hear a piece that I like, there's essentially no way to just take a look at the score, play with it for a few hours. Decide whether it's right for me and whether to go ahead and purchase the score. Before I can see a single measure, I have to make a major financial commitment. True, if the piece is the solo of a very popular concerto or work for solo instrument, there _might_ be an arangement in the local music store, that's authentic enough to get a taste of it. But, if it's, say, a violin part for a symphony, or some such, you are totally out of luck. Short of springing hundreds of dollars, you can't even get to look at it. But now, if it's a Mozart piece, you CAN take a look. This is great.

      Postscript: I agree with the parent posting, by the way. It is a shame that public domain doesn't exist (for all practical purposes), even for 250 year-old compositions. I just want to point out that this announcement is still wonderful news for all Mozart-loving musicians.

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    • depends what you mean by "free" by commodoresloat (Score:2) Thursday December 14 2006, @05:44AM
    • Re:that's not really "free" by advocate_one (Score:2) Thursday December 14 2006, @06:26AM
    • Re:that's not really "free" by Jeff DeMaagd (Score:2) Thursday December 14 2006, @08:01AM
  • by Weaselmancer (533834) on Wednesday December 13 2006, @09:32PM (#17232038)

    I'm sure Mozart is finally wealthy enough to where having his music in the public domain won't hurt him.

    Wait? He's been dead for 215 years? Oh. Nevermind.

  • by goatpunch (668594) on Wednesday December 13 2006, @09:38PM (#17232078)
    Cute message from the site: "NOTE: We are overvelmed by the resonance of this website. We regret any delays in accessing this site and are working on expanding our server capacities"
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  • Did anyone find it funny that underneath the article on Mozart's year long birday party that there's an article [reuters.com] of Paris Hilton defending Britney's "party ethics"? I think those over-sexed party girls need some Mozart to calm them down.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 13 2006, @09:39PM (#17232092)
    ...had too many notes.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 13 2006, @09:47PM (#17232156)
    Many people here seem, as expected, look more on the copyright side of the issue. The fact is, getting such an edition together is *not* easy by any stretch. That particular edition itself (Neue Mozart-Ausgabe) took 36 years (finished in 1991) to complete. Consider the amount of money that has to be paid to musicologists to do research for the 35 years. Obviously Barenreiter doesn't want to give it away for free. So the Internationale Stiftung Mozarteum *bought* the rights of online publication from Barenreiter, and of course even then there will be limits to what you can do with it. Obviously you cannot use these scans to publish and sell your own version of it. I consider Internationale Stiftung Mozarteum very very generous, and I thank them for it.

    Also, the Neue Mozart-Ausgabe is NOT public domain in any sense of the word, because of the editing. As professional musicians know, editing is *not* something you suddenly decide to do, or something where you change a few notes and that's that. It is a long process where you research all evidence (including conflicting ones), and try to build an edition that the composer himself would have approved of. And for most editions (and all of the Barenreiter ones) a critical report comes with each piece; and it documents the path of research and the evidence used.

    If you want truly public domain Mozart scores, try the Alte Mozart-Ausgabe (the old complete edition), which is completely in the public domain, with partial scans if it circulating around the net. Though, if you checked on wikipedia, you'll realize how big a difference there is between the Alte and Neue Mozart-Ausgabes.
  • Unrefined Musician (Score:2)

    by jamesl (106902) on Wednesday December 13 2006, @10:20PM (#17232386)
    Quick -- copies to the Unrefined Musician [slashdot.org]!
  • Moo (Score:1)

    by Chacham (981) on Wednesday December 13 2006, @10:38PM (#17232500)
    (http://tkatch.com/ | Last Journal: Monday October 29, @02:09PM)
    This story is music to my ears.

    Mozart was considered a genius, by people we consider geniuses. This is definitely something to checkout.
    • Re:Moo by Carewolf (Score:2) Thursday December 14 2006, @05:06AM
      • Re:Moo by namekuseijin (Score:2) Thursday December 14 2006, @11:06AM