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Posted by michael on Fri Mar 01, 2002 09:34 AM
from the big-news dept.
larsoncc writes: "According to this article on CNET, a Senate Bill will likely force the issue of adding copy protection to hardware. They are giving the industry 12 to 18 months to come up with a voluntary solution to the "problem" of copies, and if not... Well, you just have to read the article. Insane." Wired also has a story. The IP list published two interesting documents: an account of the hearing by an attendee, and a letter from Intel published immediately after the hearing. Read the letter carefully - note that the disagreement between the tech industry and Hollywood is not over whether or not copy protection will be implemented into every electronic device, but only whether or not this should be written into law. If the SSSCA isn't passed, Intel (and others) get a lot of leverage over Hollywood. If it is, Intel's leverage disappears. But since both sides want to build copy protection into everything, they only differ over the process, we're in trouble either way.
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  • But... by 42forty-two42 (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @09:35AM
  • Oh, great by 42forty-two42 (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @09:38AM
  • Bought and Paid For (Score:5, Interesting)

    by scoove (71173) on Friday March 01 2002, @09:39AM (#3089823)
    I think we need to remind our congresscritters that in light of the Enron and Global Crossing special interest fiascos, the last thing that would be appropriate for them to do now (especially after their activity on campaign finance reform) would be to pass a bill that should be renamed the "AOL/Time Warner and Friends Racket Act."

    As much as I like some of my representatives, I've put them on notice that I'll vote in someone else if they dare pass this scam.

    Congress: Quit telling me how to run my business, or I'll tell you how to run yours!

    *scoove*
    • Re:Bought and Paid For by IPFreely (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @10:22AM
    • But we found out about Enron by Damek (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @10:23AM
    • Re:Bought and Paid For by mcwop (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @11:00AM
    • Re:Bought and Paid For by innocent_white_lamb (Score:3) Friday March 01 2002, @11:15AM
    • But Enron and Global Crossing were _un_regulated by wytcld (Score:3) Friday March 01 2002, @11:53AM
      • by Noel (1451) on Friday March 01 2002, @12:11PM (#3091364)

        How about this?

        • Congress shall make no law supporting the consolidation of control over valuable resources, whether material or immaterial, into the hands of any single entity, whether individual, corporate, or governmental.
        • Congress shall ensure the equitable availability of all resources to all citizens through oversight of any entity which has consolidated control over any valuable resource.

        The first rule covers the establishment of monopolies through legal means. The second rule covers monopolies that develop without legal support (i.e., natural monopolies).

        [ Parent ]
      • Yes, but they were the ones crafting the laws... by Svartalf (Score:2) Saturday March 02 2002, @10:42AM
    • by emil (695) on Friday March 01 2002, @12:16PM (#3091417) Homepage
      Gentlemen, I am writing you today to voice grave objections to Senator Fritz Hollings and his stance on digital rights management via his SSSCA legislation.

      The U.S. economy is in the midst of an amazing ascent from recession, having endured more than any of us might have imagined that it could survive.

      The digital information infrastructure is in no small part responsible for our recovery. The ability of businesses to easily and quickly exchange large amounts of information is key to our ever-increasing productivity.

      This infrastructure is made possible by a number of software applications that are made available for free, and these applications are maintained by organizations that derive their profits by charging for support.

      Let us take, for example, the "sendmail" application supported by:

      http://www.sendmail.org

      It is both unfair and unreasonable to require this company, who gives their product away for free, and plays no direct role in piracy on the Internet, to shoulder the overhead of implementing digital rights management.

      Furthermore, "sendmail" is such a widespread product that E-Mail on the Internet would effectively end if all copies of "sendmail" were
      simultaneously disabled.

      The SSSCA will take broad sectors of the IT market into violation of the law with the stroke of a pen. These sectors will include the entire free software movement, including one of my favorite companies, Red Hat Software (one of the most successful IPOs of 1999).

      The damage to our information information infrastructure will be incalcuable should this legislation be enacted.

      This legislation is a result of the lobbying efforts of the MPAA and the RIIA, who rightly desire some control over the perfusion of their digital content. Such content controls could easily be made voluntary by including a small message in an MP3 asking the user to purchase a legitimate copy of the work if a license key was not found in a local encyption key cache.

      Instead, these media organizations wish to trample our constitutional protections on freedom of speech and fair use, and take the economy along with it.

      Let there be no mistake; this legislation is a disaster. I urge you to vote against it.
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      • Re:Should I send this to my congressmen? by Tackhead (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @12:30PM
      • Re:Should I send this to my congressmen? by Arkaein (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @01:43PM
      • Re:Should I send this to my congressmen? by Neph (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @01:45PM
      • by pnuema (523776) on Friday March 01 2002, @01:45PM (#3092476)
        Here is mine. Credit to all whose post I have ripped off. :)

        Senator Kit Bond
        274 Russel Senate Office Building
        Washington, DC. 20510

        Senator Bond:

        I am writing to express my deep concerns over recent trends I see in new intellectual property law, specifically the Security Systems Standards and Certification Act (SSSCA). From what I understand, this law will make it illegal to manufacture and/or sell an interactive digital device that does not have built in "content protection", where an interactive digital device is defined as any hardware or software capable of storing, retrieving, processing, performing, transmitting, receiving or copying information in digital form.
        Frankly, I am shocked and deeply alarmed that such a bill is even being considered on the floor of the US Senate. Intellectual Property was created by the framers of our constitution not to ensure that corporations can make money for the span of many human lifetimes, but to ensure that said property would eventually fall into the public domain by providing a (small) window of revenue for content creators. This act would violate both the spirit and the letter of past intellectual property law. Consider, under the SSSCA:

        1. Fair use rights have been virtually eliminated. I can no longer make copies of media that I legally bought and own, and am legally entitled to copy.
        2. Media that I created (home videos, pictures, etc.) will no longer be viewable on SSSCA compliant hardware. You will lose the home movies of an entire generation.
        3. Some greeting cards, credit cards, calculators, picture frames, children's toys, answering machines, cell phones, etc. will now be illegal. (Anything that can store data digitally will have to be manufactured to this standard.)

        Perhaps most insidious, however, is the ramifications for who can publish and who cannot. This "content protection" works by the content providers agreeing on a standard for "watermarking" their products, and the hardware manufacturers interpreting said watermark. The watermarking method will have to remain secret; otherwise illegal copies could be watermarked and distributed. Thus, only people with access to this watermarking method will be able to produce media viewable by the American public. In other words, only approved media will be viewable by the American public. As a private citizen, I can no longer distribute digital copies of a video I created with my current camera, because it does not hold an MPAA watermark, and thus all SSSCA compliant hardware will treat it as a pirated copy.

        I sincerely doubt that such a law would survive a constitutional test. I urge you to demonstrate that you really do work for us, and not for Hollywood. Vote down this legislation.

        Sincerely,

        Missouri Citizen
        [ Parent ]
      • Here's my letter (Score:4, Interesting)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 01 2002, @02:20PM (#3092817)
        Senator Hollings's office,
        This letter is being addressed to your office for your capacity as Chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee and co-sponsor of the proposed legislation the Security Systems Standards and Certification Act (SSSCA). The legislation that you are proposing will have a definite, immediate, and chilling effect on the economic growth of the technology and entertainment industries for the foreseeable future.

        I would like to point out that your legislation intends on preventing free market forces from being allowed to shape the economic growth of these industries by creating artificial barriers intended to maintain the current balance of power/wealth held by the copyright holders. This is very similar to the competition felt by the railroad industry from the automobile, in that both the railroad and record/movie labels depended upon their absolute control over all major distribution channels for their sources of revenue (the record industry receives 94% of total revenue from CD sales). The PC/internet is like the automobile/highway system in that it frees the masses from having to rely on a bulky, inefficient, and tightly controlled distribution channel that allows for illegal price fixing, for which the record industry has been found guilty of in the past. I am not an advocate of any form of piracy because if the government were to allow the markets to naturally rebalance themselves, they could now do so in such a way that piracy would no longer be an attractive option for consumers, unless you feel that every citizen is a thief at heart. This would be do to the volume of scale involved with the internet distribution of data including songs and movies.

        To illustrate this point the average cost per song on a CD is ~$2 for the consumer. This $2 includes certain privileges like owning the physical media, protective case, label and lyrics, the ability to create copies for personal use within the fair use doctrine, unlimited listening, portability, and then the right to sell the CD provided that you don't keep any copies. Under the current overpriced CD distribution scheme, very few successful CDs will sell a million or more copies. By contrast is the reported popularity of some pirated songs on the Internet which regularly exceeded ten million downloads. If the record companies were to offer their songs for sale on the internet with the legal right to download the songs, giving the buyers full fair-use privileges, the ability to create playable audio CDs, unlimited listening ability, and portability for a cost that reflects the volume of scale, lack of overhead, and fair profit margins they would see immediate, dramatic, and profitable sales.

        Instead these companies are moving their businesses online in a way that allows them to continue to maintain the same near absolute control over the online music industry that was had by their control over the traditional distribution channels. Should the railroads been given control over all highways? If allowed to continue, your proposed legislation will allow these industries to continue their abuses on the consumers by way of forcing consumers to pay every time they listen to a song/see a movie/read a book, without regard to any legal fair use. As proof of their true intensions the record industries current online ventures have proposed an insulting royalty payments from online sales to the artists they claim to represent/protect. Some of these songs being sold online by the record companies don't even have a legal right to sell online, and the artists' who own the online rights are threatening them with lawsuits and sending cease and desist orders, which the record industry has chooses to ignore.

        To end I would like to include a quote from Robert Heinlein's "Life-Line"
        "There has grown up in the minds of certain groups in this country the notion that because a man or corporation has made a profit out of the public for a number of years, the government and the courts are charged with the duty of guaranteeing such profit in the future, even in the face of changing circumstances and contrary to public interest. This strange doctrine is not supported by statute or common law. Neither individuals nor corporations have any right to come into court and ask that the clock of history be stopped, or turned back."

        All opinions expressed within are mine alone and by no means represent those of my employer.
        [ Parent ]
      • Re:Should I send this to my congressmen? by j_rhoden (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @03:56PM
      • Re:Should I send this to my congressmen? by Roundeye (Score:3) Friday March 01 2002, @04:00PM
      • Re:Should I send this to my congressmen? by rongage (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @04:32PM
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      • Re:Should I send this to my congressmen? by Trepalium (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @08:10PM
      • Re:Should I send this to my congressmen? by einTier (Score:3) Friday March 01 2002, @09:41PM
      • Re:Should I send this to my congressmen? by Dwonis (Score:2) Saturday March 02 2002, @04:03PM
      • Re:Should I send this to my congressmen? by einTier (Score:2) Sunday March 03 2002, @05:56PM
      • Re:Should I send this to my congressmen? by turbosquid (Score:1) Monday March 04 2002, @02:36PM
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    • Not to mention a biased article by einhverfr (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @12:20PM
    • You can't legislate morality by fatbastard10101 (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @05:04PM
    • Re:Bought and Paid For by einTier (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @07:52PM
    • Re:Bought and Paid For by linzeal (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @10:08AM
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  • This is the opposite of what is really needed. by Zot (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @09:39AM
    • The irony of the situation (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 01 2002, @09:59AM (#3089968)
      One of the quote of a content provider from the article says:
      "The truth is, if you cannot protect what you own, you don't own anything."

      Unfortunately for the consumer:
      "The truth is, if you cannot do whatever to things you own, you don't own anything."
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  • It's ok, really by NitsujTPU (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @09:39AM
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  • i'm tired of this by fist_187 (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @09:40AM
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  • It's okay... by Whispers_in_the_dark (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @09:40AM
  • wont work (Score:3, Insightful)

    The laws have been in place. And every law has a loophole. It is illegal to murder, illegal to steal. nobody stops. This law will only make life of ordinary people hard, who wont be able to make copies even for personal use. The thieves will find a way.
    IF the media thinks it can use laws to curb such things it is mistaken. In a democracy you cant always have what you want, compromises are necessary.
  • Foregone conclusions (Score:5, Insightful)

    by firewort (180062) on Friday March 01 2002, @09:42AM (#3089840)
    It appears that Hollywood and Congress in their ignorance are demanding solutions in the name of copy protection.

    It also appears that they are shouting down anyone who objects as enabling criminal activities.

    Tech Industry players don't want to be seen as supporting criminals, and don't have the guts to stand up for enabling the user (Other than Intel, who got beaten up for it)

    So, in the name of not looking bad, and not getting more bad law, it is a foregone conclusion that we will have copy-protection- it's just a question of whether it will have force of industry, or force of law, behind it.

    As much as I hate bought legislation, why didn't the Tech Industry buy off their own Congressmen to compete with this foolishness?

    I know MS only started contributing to campaigns in the last presidential election, and they've already patented the DRM OS, and IBM stands on moral and ethical ground of not getting involved- Compaq and HP are too busy fighting to merge to get involved-

    By the time they realize what they've lost it will be too late to turn the tide. At least Intel tried.
    • Re:Foregone conclusions (Score:4, Insightful)

      by ahacop@wmuc.umd.edu (63340) on Friday March 01 2002, @09:57AM (#3089948)
      >As much as I hate bought legislation, why didn't the Tech Industry buy off their own Congressmen to >compete with this foolishness?

      Because the Tech Industry doesn't care about us. They care about making money. They will still be able to make money post-"enforced copy-protection".

      If there's anything that Cisco's "Wall Of Oppression" firewall proved is that these tech companies that people on Slashdot adore and identify with as being the corporate embodiment of themselves are anything but. They are simply corporations in pursuit of money. People have ideals and ethics. Companies do not.

      We all thought the tech companies were different from the other megacorps because they were started by people like us. They aren't different.
      [ Parent ]
    • by Gopher971 (219910) on Friday March 01 2002, @10:22AM (#3090120) Journal
      Here's a story from The Register [theregister.co.uk] about Hollings grilling Intel executive VP Leslie Vadasz.

      Full story below.

      Senator brutalizes Intel rep for resisting CPRM
      By Thomas C Greene in Washington
      Posted: 01/03/2002 at 14:41 GMT

      Entertainment industry lapdog Senator Fritz Hollings (Democrat, South Carolina) lashed out at Intel executive VP Leslie Vadasz who warned that the copy-protected PCs Hollings is obediantly promoting on behalf of his MPAA and RIAA handlers would stifle growth in the marketplace.

      "We do not need to neuter the personal computer to be nothing more than a videocassette recorder," Vadasz said in testimony before the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation Thursday.

      An obedient Hollings tore into the witness, calling his testimony "nonsense".

      "Now where do you get all this nonsense about how we're going to have irreparable damage?" Hollings demanded. "We don't want to legislate. We want to give you time to develop technology."

      The "we" he mentions, it's quite obvious, refers to the entertainment industry flacks and lobbyists who wrote Hollings' pet bill, the Security Systems Standards and Certification Act (SSSCA), which would require hard drives to fail to load 'insecure' applications, and perhaps even operating systems at some point in future. Tinkering with one's own personal property to defeat this Orwellian innovation would be criminally punishable.

      This is of course the entertainment industry's dream, as it seeks to hobble all equipment so that it can determine when, where and how its content can be enjoyed by consumers. Copying any content from one medium to another could be blocked on the pretext of piracy prevention, so it's entirely possible that one would have to purchase two CDs with the same content -- one for the computer and one for the stereo, say. It's this sort of extortion the industry has relentlessly lobbied Congress to enshrine in law.

      Defeating piracy is the pretext; but obliterating the consumer's right to fair use is the true goal. But because Congress can't quite bring itself to eliminate fair use directly and up-front, a series of laws like the DMCA and SSSCA have been devised to eliminate it practically, or 'incidentally'.

      Naturally, the hardware industry is going to resist any law which forces it to break its products. It understands that consumers will be disappointed by equipment which fails to let them enjoy content which they've purchased. They see a slump in sales in the SSSCA. And they're probably right.

      The hearing was a typical Congressional dog-and-pony show designed to stroke Hollywood fat cats like Michael Eisner and Jack Valenti pursuing the Holy Grail of pay-per-use technology. No critics were invited to speak, and no harsh criticism was expected.

      So when Intel's Vadasz showed the spine to blast the entertainment industry's pet scheme, he had to be beaten down, and Hollings was of course eager to please his masters.

      Eisner and Valenti also testified, exhibiting their profound ignorance of technology and their sneering contempt for the rights of consumers, under Hollings' admiring gaze. Hollings, clearly, is an honest politician according to Brendan Behan's formula: when he's bought, he stays bought.

      Hollings has also adopted the industry's basic stance, that copying is primarily about piracy, and only rarely about honest fair use. But the best expression of this comes from Recording Industry Ass. of America President Hillary Rosen, who wrote yesterday that, "surely, no one can expect copyright owners to ignore what is happening in the marketplace and fail to protect their creative works because some people engage in copying just for their personal use."

      The 'some people' says it all. Most people are criminals, and only a tiny minority are honest and decent, Rosen assumes. This is the also official perspective of Hollywood -- of Eisner, and Valenti, and Hollings. It is a perspective natural to a certain class of person. Consider that we all imagine others to be more or less like ourselves. Decent people expect others to be decent, just like themselves. Criminals expect others to be criminals, just like themselves. When Eisner and Rosen and Valenti and Hollings see a world populated by cheats and frauds and freeloading scum, what does that say about them? ®
      [ Parent ]
    • Re:Foregone conclusions (Score:4, Informative)

      by Irvu (248207) on Friday March 01 2002, @10:23AM (#3090125)
      Actually as some of the other articles on the issue have pointed out, the Tech industry PAC that represents Intel has been in Washington far longer than the "Content Industry" people they just have not hed the need or the inclination (given their stated opposition to oversight) to buy politicians. See here [opensecrets.org] for donations by Computer/Internet companies, and here [opensecrets.org] for dontaitions by the (non-book) entertainment industries.

      As to Microsofts donations as you can see here [opensecrets.org] Microsoft was in the top 20 industry donators to congress back in 1992. You can do a more detailed search for All Microsoft soft-money, donations by Microsoft Employees, and other groups here [opensecrets.org]

      If you want to go Here [opensecrets.org] you can look up everybody's two favorite Senators.

      [ Parent ]
    • Re:Foregone conclusions by AlexCompy (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @12:06PM
    • Re:MS contributing only in the last election? by firewort (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @10:17AM
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  • Not too serious... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by kenthorvath (225950) on Friday March 01 2002, @09:42AM (#3089842)
    I'd expect that PC manufacturers will make this protection easy to disable, either by bypassing a chip or removing it, etc... A little solder and or ingenuity and PRESTO! we'll all be modding our PC's! "A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof was to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." - Douglas Adams, Mostly Harmless, 1992 -- The same thing applies to hackers and pirates. They will find a way.
  • Larry Combest is a Jerkoff by Bonker (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @09:42AM
  • THE BIG FREAKING POINT. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Gannoc (210256) on Friday March 01 2002, @09:42AM (#3089846)

    Is that copyright is NOT there to guarantee that people make lots of money, copyright is there to guarantee that society has literature, art, and music, by making sure artists can earn money through creation.

    Huge corporations stopping fair use and extending copyright limits for the length of several human lifetimes is unAmerican.

    I'm all for REAL copyright that still provides for fair use. I don't trust these goddamn people to do it for me. If it was a legitimate matter of wanting to protect themselves, i'd be more sympathetic, but its not secret that they want to find more ways to fuck you out of your money.
    • Re:THE BIG FREAKING POINT. by NKJensen (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @09:56AM
    • Re:THE BIG FREAKING POINT. (Score:4, Informative)

      by renehollan (138013) <rhollan@noSPAM.clearwire.net> on Friday March 01 2002, @10:17AM (#3090082) Homepage Journal
      I'm all for REAL copyright that still provides for fair use.

      Yes, and the problem with most technological "solutions" is that they either seriously impede fair use by design, or make it cumbersome to excercise one's fair use rights. Horror stories of content being tied to particular hardware abound. What happens when the hardware breaks?

      However, I think the hour is not as dark as it seams, and there may be a silver lining to this particular cloud. As Lawrence Lessig points out [barnesandnoble.com], code is becoming a proxy for law enforcement. By itself, this is ominous only because laws can be repealed, but code can't. But, what if every law had sunset clauses, and code to enforce it had to honour them? A copyright law enforced by code could also enforce release into the public domain at the appropriate time. No "Sonny Bono" act could change that, though, I suppose the act of benefitting from this "earlier law" enforcement could be made illegal. Still, I'd question the constitutionality of a law that made existing equipment functionality retroactively illegal.

      I think, sadly, it's a given that we'll have hardware copy protection. Given public key cryptography, and an escrow mechanism for user-specific secret private keys within the equipment you own, it is technologically feasable. The challenge is for the public to standardize and control the depoloyment of same to ensure that the law it enforces reflects balance in copyright of digital content, as the constitution broadly intends.

      I see a great potential here for crypto-hackers to ally with hardware manufacturers to produce a system with which we can live, and not one that enforces Hollywood's idea of maniacal control. While the best proportion of SSSCA-mandated hardware in a system is none at all, I'd settle for 1%, in playback or transcoding interfaces, espescially if I can leverage it to protect my own private content, and not in storage devices.

      [ Parent ]
    • Re:THE BIG FREAKING POINT. by Penrod Pooch (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @10:21AM
    • My Copyright Plan (Score:5, Interesting)

      by JohnDenver (246743) on Friday March 01 2002, @10:37AM (#3090255) Homepage
      1. Circumvention devices are illegal, IF they have the exclusive purpose of being a circumvention device. (Providers can't use an amateur DRM system)
      2. ALL copyrights expire after 20 years. (Not this 95-150 years BS when original copyrights were 14 years)
      3. When a copyright expires, it must be released without DRM (Digital Rights Management) software.


      Personally, I think this is a perfect balance. While I would deam circumvention devices illegal, I would also release TONS of MODERN works in the public domain. You're probably thinking, "Big deal, you're realing everything prior to 1980 into the public domain. I'll get to watch old movies."

      We don't even have a dictionary in the public domain that is clear enough to scan in with OCR software. (I'm not sure of the current status.)

      We have nothing, as far as modern works is concerned, in the public domain. Imagine the wealth of information published prior to 1980, now imagine it's all free. Now imagine you're free to plaigerize from all those works to create an uber-encyclopedia of data structures, gardening, renewable energy guide, home medical guide, medical diagnosis software, etc.

      It would create a whole new landscape for a whole new type of aggrigate content. You would be free to mix the best of two books or entire volumes and magazines, and put it on a CD or DVD. The amount of knowledge that could be compiled would be insane.


      You might as well give new works the ability to protect themselves for a limited amount of time.

      It's time to educate the people with the free information they are entitled to. The US Constitution acknoweldges that information is inherantly free, because they had to make a provision for limited copyrights and patents.

      The only reason they would make such a provision is because it was self-evident that information, specific works or vague abstractions, belong to the public and no individual.

      In other words, copyrights and patents are privledges, not rights.
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    • Re:THE BIG FREAKING POINT. by hacker (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @10:42AM
      • Amazing by Frank T. Lofaro Jr. (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @12:29PM
        • Re:Amazing by rnturn (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @06:09PM
    • Re:THE BIG FREAKING POINT. (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Rogerborg (306625) on Friday March 01 2002, @10:43AM (#3090305) Homepage
      • Huge corporations stopping fair use and extending copyright limits for the length of several human lifetimes is unAmerican

      Before anyone misinterprets this, the SSSCA is about indefinite copyright. Or rather, about de facto indefinite copy-control. Because even when the copyright on the content runs out (if it ever does), it will still be illegal to obtain the tools to extract, use and distribute the content. It's like putting copyrighted material in a locked safe with a tiny window in it, and saying "In 70 years, you can open the safe and put the contents into the public domain. Only we're not telling you the combination, and if you so much as enquire about safe-cracking kits, we'll assume in a very real and legally binding fashion that you actually want to crack open other safes, and have you prosecuted." Append a maniacal laugh, if you like.

      [ Parent ]
    • Re:THE BIG FREAKING POINT. by rnturn (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @10:57AM
    • Re:THE BIG FREAKING POINT. by Shelled (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @11:16AM
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    • The year is 1984 - Government to decide by john_turnbull (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @03:52PM
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  • We're missing out on revenues!!! by palindrome (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @09:42AM
  • Bad for business by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @09:43AM
  • There's alway a way to break copy protection by MrJerryNormandinSir (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @09:43AM
  • Hmmm... by 42forty-two42 (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @09:44AM
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  • WTF is wrong with congress?? by Linuxthess (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @09:45AM
  • OSH anyone? by Apostata (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @09:45AM
    • Re:OSH anyone? by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @09:51AM
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    • There is... by Colin Smith (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @09:57AM
  • Who's idea was it to intermingle data with.. by Talonius (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @09:46AM
  • This is the end of PC and general purpose hardware by CaptnMArk (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @09:46AM
  • I will accept copy protection. (Score:4, Interesting)

    by onion2k (203094) on Friday March 01 2002, @09:46AM (#3089872) Homepage
    I'm entirely willing to accept copy protection, DRM, whatever, with one single condition.

    All media has a lifetime guarantee against anything I do to it.

    Basically, I want to back things up for my personal use. But, if the media companies wish to stop me doing that myself then I feel that they ought to provide me, for free (or the cost of production), with as many replacements of the original media as I want. If they are unwilling to accpet this financial undertaking (it'd be big, I'm a clumsy/forgetful/stupid person) then they ought not be able to stop me protecting my initial investment.
  • So... by Bob McCown (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @09:47AM
  • How are we "in trouble"? by eples (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @09:47AM
  • overseas.... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Raleel (30913) on Friday March 01 2002, @09:47AM (#3089877)
    I think I'll start buying my hardware overseas now. Oh, what? Mr. Tech Industry? You don't like that? Put down this silly business. Guess I'll have to start attending more live performances.
  • Porn companies? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Silver222 (452093) on Friday March 01 2002, @09:48AM (#3089881)
    "An interactive digital device is defined as any hardware or software capable of "storing, retrieving, processing, performing, transmitting, receiving or copying information in digital form."


    Jesus H. Christ. So any pocket calculator with a M+ key on it is going to be illegal? What a bunch of assholes.


    On another note, where do the porn companies stand in this? I think I'm going to start writing the big porn video companies and let them know that movies they make are being shared online. That could be the one thing that could kill this bill. Imagine telling Mary soccer mom that the reason her computer is hobbled is to protect the profits of pornographers. She'll get into her Suburban and drive right over to her Congressman's office with a letter.

  • Stupid (Score:3, Interesting)

    by bryan1945 (301828) on Friday March 01 2002, @09:48AM (#3089886) Journal
    As everyone knows, this is just the application of Hollywood $$$ to the gov. And actually, this law if put in place may get overturned- too far reaching and such. But IANAL.

    Interesting how they point out that the Alaskan Senator is a Republican, yet never point out what party Hollings is from....
    • Re:Stupid by BlaKnail (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @09:55AM
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    • RTFA by damiangerous (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @10:59AM
      • Re:RTFA by Amazing Quantum Man (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @12:34PM
    • Re:Stupid by Jah-Wren Ryel (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @11:00AM
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  • hmm.. by Benjiman McFree (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @09:48AM
  • My feelings (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Satai (111172) on Friday March 01 2002, @09:48AM (#3089888)
    Honestly, I don't particularly care if Windows gets built in DRM - unless somebody can convince me otherwise - because I don't use it.

    But, see, the thing is, this mandates DRM - to Hollywood's specs - not only in Windows, but in Linux, *BSD, MacOS, PalmOS, and every single device I own. That's unreasonable.

    If I'm told that I'm not allowed to use FreeBSD anymore because the TCP stack doesn't check incoming packets for copyrighted material, and because FFS lets me store mp3's, then I'm going to be really pissed. If I'm told that there are going to be some components that can no longer be 'open source' - or, more importantly, Free Software - I'm going to be really pissed. If every hard drive that I see in the store has built in DRM, I'm going to be even more pissed.

    Well, guess what? That's what this bill says. My rights are getting pissed on by this bill, and it pisses me off. I'm calling my reps and telling them that if they vote for it I will not vote for them.

  • Hardware Copy Protection by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @09:49AM
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  • I can't find any reference... by jmu1 (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @09:50AM
  • What this really means... by gspeare (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @09:50AM
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  • Fair use needs advocates by zeugma-amp (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @09:51AM
  • Holy shit. by darketernal (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @09:52AM
  • So basically (Score:4, Funny)

    by TheGreenLantern (537864) <thegreenlntrn@yahoo.com> on Friday March 01 2002, @09:52AM (#3089915) Homepage Journal
    I have 12-18 months to buy as much non-protected digital media/hardware as I can? I guess this is one way to stimulate the economy.
  • The horror... by SirAnodos (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @09:52AM
  • Scary by atathert (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @09:54AM
    • Re:Scary by thesolo (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @10:07AM
    • Re:Scary by Xader Vartec (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @10:52AM
      • Re:Scary by crucini (Score:2) Monday March 04 2002, @02:19PM
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  • Good. by CaffeineAddict2001 (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @09:54AM
    • Re:Good. by rnturn (Score:3) Friday March 01 2002, @01:45PM
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  • 1984 - Hollywood and al-Qaeda converge? by bildstorm (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @09:54AM
  • Write your congressman online (link) by jcoleman (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @09:54AM
  • The impact on Linux by np_geek (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @09:55AM
  • Punishing everybody by cje (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @09:55AM
  • Ten years from now... by Mysticalfruit (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @09:56AM
  • What about those who do not live in the US? by iiro (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @09:56AM
  • Copy protection will come. What kind do you want? by kriegsman (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @09:57AM
  • Open Source wins in the midst of this travesty? by Green Light (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @09:57AM
  • by thesolo (131008) <slap@fighttheriaa.org> on Friday March 01 2002, @09:57AM (#3089949) Homepage
    There is one important thing to remember here in this situation: Republicans are not a fan of Hollings. And that especially includes the President, who Hollings has been publically criticizing heavily for his involvement with Enron.

    Sure, our government is largely corrupt, and IMHO, neither Hollings or Bush should be in office. But if Hollings does introduce this bill, and it passes through Congress, there would be a good chance of Bush vetoing it. Of course, since the Senate is so closely split with Republicans & Democrats, I'm hoping that with the right pressure placed by us geeks, this bill won't pass in the first place.
  • by scruffy (29773) on Friday March 01 2002, @09:57AM (#3089955)
    I agree with the Mike Godwin letter that politicians and media moguls simply do not understand computer technology. Copying is simply a fundamental operation of computers. Any algorithm that does squat has to move information around, even "Hello world". Every read and print makes a copy. Every assignment statement makes a copy. Every packet is a copy. Everything on your disk drive is a copy. This effort to somehow mark a bit as copy-protected or not is just going to throw a huge wrench in the works. And how are they going to mark a bit as copy-protected or not except by using more bits?

    This whole effort is somewhat like trying to outlaw the laws of physics. If they could, these guys would try to slow down the speed of light because it allows copying to happen too fast.

    Copying is how computers work. Would somebody with some influence and a clue please tell them this?

  • game over then... almost... by hummer357 (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @09:58AM
  • History people, HISTORY! by cavemanf16 (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @09:58AM
  • Go, Johnny, go go go! by eples (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @10:00AM
  • Do Something! by lunenburg (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @10:01AM
  • "we're in trouble either way" by Wordsmith (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @10:01AM
  • An interesting point: by imadork (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @10:01AM
  • solution by Morphine007 (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @10:01AM
  • It's all about Hollywood/Disney's Greed! by MrJerryNormandinSir (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @10:03AM
  • what is an 'interactive digital device'? by john_turnbull (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @10:04AM
  • George Orwell was a piker. by Aaron_Pike (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @10:05AM
  • Might be fun to watch this pass... by Rude Turnip (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @10:06AM
  • The US industry... by c.r.o.c.o (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @10:06AM
  • Write a letter to your representative by Paul the Bold (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @10:08AM
  • My new company ! by ReidMaynard (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @10:09AM
  • Who paid for Ernest F. Hollings? by ObligatoryUserName (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @10:10AM
  • Need to stop this by loopyfx (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @10:10AM
  • schizophrenia by gerddie (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @10:11AM
  • This is a case for Jury Nullification by vtechpilot (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @10:11AM
  • by lpontiac (173839) on Friday March 01 2002, @10:12AM (#3090036)

    I don't understand how it would be possible to differentiate between content that was once DRM-controlled but no longer is, and content that was never DRM-controlled.


    What if I write a story and distribute it? Of course it isn't going to have an appropriate digital signature on it. What am I supposed to do, go to some kind of appropriate authority and somehow publish it through them? What if I can't afford whatever fees they charge? Heck, paying for the right to publish? Talk about a prior restraint on free speech.


    But then again, I forget, I'm not supposed to want to publish anything, and even if I do I'm not supposed to be able to do it. After all, the Internet is supposed to be just like television, right?


  • This thing passes, analog will make a comeback. by C. Mattix (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @10:12AM
  • Good news and bad news by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @10:13AM
  • This sounds rediculous... by thomasj (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @10:13AM
  • Protecting the Artist... by OzPhIsH (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @10:13AM
  • Would this stand up in International Law? by Ahchay (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @10:14AM
  • Time to Donate to the EFF Again by MdntToker (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @10:15AM
  • New law (Score:5, Funny)

    by stinkydog (191778) <[coughlio] [at] [hotmail.com]> on Friday March 01 2002, @10:16AM (#3090073) Homepage
    Congress is considering a law to mandate that all digital content be rendered on puch cards with "Do Not Copy" printed on them.

    The MPAA applauded them move. "Now that digital movies weigh 300lbs casual piracy will be elimiated and we can safely distribute films without concern of terrorists." Blockbuster announed that all new members will receive a free pallet jack.

    Chinese peasents who have been hoarding illegal CDR technology in their villages were gleefull. "Perhaps Lik-Sang will buy this @#$%% for paper to cdr converters for hackers". The I-Pod Mafia could not be reach for comment.

    SD
  • On this government and enforcement... by SirEdward (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @10:16AM
  • Stop freaking by javatips (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @10:19AM
  • Will this be applied *only* in USA? by Xouba (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @10:19AM
  • I never thought I'd say this but.... by PeterMiller (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @10:20AM
  • we are or are not in trouble by the_2nd_coming (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @10:20AM
  • by MongooseCN (139203) on Friday March 01 2002, @10:20AM (#3090095) Homepage
    Industry: We can't make anything to prevent copying of media.
    Politicians: Well then, we'll just make a law that says you have to make something to prevent copying. That will solve the problem.

    Later on...

    NASA: We can't make a spaceship that travels faster than the speed of light, it's against the laws of physics!
    Politicians: Well then, we'll just make a law that says you have to make a spaceship that travels faster than the speed of light. That will fix the laws of physics.
  • Pretend I'm dumb..... by SplendidIsolatn (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @10:20AM
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  • Let's start an organized campaingn agaist the RIAA by MrJerryNormandinSir (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @10:20AM
  • New Civilization wonder of the world pattern by Odinson (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @10:21AM
  • Why is everyone so quick to assume this will pass? by MSackton (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @10:22AM
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  • One Main Problem by Giggles Of Doom (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @10:22AM
  • There will be other options... by PantyChewer (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @10:22AM
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  • Fair Share by igiveup (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @10:23AM
  • Heck! by inerte (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @10:24AM
  • In Other News by t_allardyce (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @10:25AM
  • Disturbing by bibos (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @10:25AM
  • The whole argument is stupid by LordZardoz (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @10:27AM
  • Expiring copyrights by Trinition (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @10:27AM
  • Personal Copyrights by f.money (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @10:28AM
  • Am I missing something? by lordvolt2k (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @10:28AM
  • Getting Ridiculous by shawnmelliott (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @10:29AM
  • Once again, wording that's far too broad by st0rmshad0w (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @10:30AM
  • please be fair to Intel by uncadonna (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @10:30AM
  • Compromise or be ignored - it's the only option by EricLivingston (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @10:30AM
  • What we have here.... by BranMan (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @10:34AM
  • Twelve months for you to work.. by CoffeeNowDammit (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @10:34AM
  • sigh by Chanc_Gorkon (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @10:35AM
  • Some jokes: by t_allardyce (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @10:37AM
  • The next step... by DPalomo (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @10:38AM
  • You know what to do by smblion (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @10:39AM
  • home movies:non-geeks::free software:geeks by catfood (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @10:39AM
  • We Need a Bill #! by goofy183 (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @10:43AM
  • No sigh by kindbud (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @10:43AM
  • Defeat this by using it... by CoffeeNowDammit (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @10:44AM
  • Time to pack up... by vsavatar (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @10:45AM
  • Asshole by jgerman (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @10:45AM
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  • We are in *much* more trouble one way by kaybee (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @10:48AM
  • Correct me if i'm wrong... by ruiner13 (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @10:48AM
  • The differences by terrymr (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @10:51AM
  • A little bit of perspective... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by psxndc (105904) on Friday March 01 2002, @10:51AM (#3090368) Journal
    How messed up is it that rather than feed the homeless, or develop medical programs to help people in need, or REAL PROBLEMS, the Movie and Record Industry want congress to prevent kids from making copies of mp3s and trading them? This isn't flamebait. I think people here are complaining that their freedoms are being taken away and I agree (see my other posts), but the "problem" that the record and movie industries cry about is sooooo insignifact in comparison to the problems we have as a nation and a world leader. Valenti, stfu and let congressional leaders get back to doing what they are supposed to be doing: making this a great nation and helping other nations.

    psxndc

    • The biggest problem IN THE UNIVERSE! (Score:5, Insightful)

      by andaru (535590) <andaru2@onebox.com> on Friday March 01 2002, @11:46AM (#3091020) Homepage
      Michael Greene, President/CEO of the National Academy of Recording Arts & Sciences at the 44th Annual GRAMMY Awards:
      • "No question the most insidious virus in our midst is the illegal downloading of music on the Net."

      This is obviously a bigger problem than cancer, AIDS, world hunger, or the state-sanctioned violence going on all over the world.

      They say the SSSCA will "boost hardware sales." That is because you will have to dump the system you just bought and get a new one if you want to take advanage of all of the 'great new online content.'

      I think the only solution is to boycott this crap when it comes out. Refuse to buy the new DRM 64GHz system. Waive your right to watch Madonna or Jurassic Park 47 online. Point out to these corrupt politicians that you are not stupid enough to let them obsolete a system that you bought last month.

      It is annoying that we (taxpayers) and the hardware industry end up spending the time and money involved in implementing these systems for the entertainment industry, while they sit back and do nothing basking in the glow of the inconvenience that they have caused everyone.

      On top of that, after we go through the expenditure and wast of accomodating these paranoid jerks, we inevitably find that it has basically zero effect (except the waste of time and money). How much time and effort was spent on the copy flags implemented on every CD you buy? Has it ever prevented you from doing anything you wanted to the contents of a CD? Have you ever seen a pirated copy of a CD on DAT tape? I haven't.

      But still, this is the most pressing issue for human society to solve today.

      [ Parent ]
    • Ukyraine by dpilot (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @11:59AM
    • Re:A little bit of perspective... by GregGardner (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @01:45PM
  • Microsoft DRM OS by guinnessnwhiskey (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @10:51AM
  • Non US Citizens (Score:3, Interesting)

    by MartinG (52587) on Friday March 01 2002, @10:52AM (#3090382) Homepage Journal
    I live in the UK. I don't feel I have anything I can directly do to help here, but can anyone think of what us non-us people can do? For example, what might be the best way to help reduce the chance of this sort of misguided nonsense happening over here?

    God I hate problems that I am powerless to help solve.
  • These guys are supposed to work for us? by hysterik (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @10:55AM
  • Reelection by Ironpoint (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @11:00AM
  • Open Letter by tashanna (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @11:04AM
  • Alaska and South Carolina? by innocent_white_lamb (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @11:04AM
  • One Way to Enable Copy Protection by Greyfox (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @11:04AM
  • What's going on? by txtger (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @11:05AM
  • Enforce Existing Laws by shermozle (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @11:05AM
  • Dear IBM... by HuskyDog (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @11:06AM
  • Will this PREVENT sharing by artists who WISH TO? by mcwop (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @11:07AM
  • OMG are we all insane? by droptop (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @11:10AM
  • Revamped. by themassiah (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @11:14AM
    • Re:Revamped. by einTier (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @08:38PM
  • Welcome to Russia ! by BattleCat (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @11:17AM
  • You have to tell them that we will defeat them, and then actually do it.

    Hollings isn't up until 2004, though, and I imagine he'll retire then.

  • They gots the money by Jormundgard (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @11:17AM
  • Endgame ? by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @11:17AM
  • Gun control lobby will love this by Geeky (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @11:18AM
  • Another media report on the hearing by otmar (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @11:21AM
  • Penalties by Mignon (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @11:26AM
    • Re:Penalties by Dyolf Knip (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @01:40PM
  • I just want to write software (Score:5, Insightful)

    by jdavidb (449077) on Friday March 01 2002, @11:26AM (#3090715) Homepage Journal

    I just want to write free software and give it to the world. I want the thrill of producing something with my peers that is as good or better as what the commercial world offers.

    We're not interested in breaking copyrights; I don't even listen to any music from the last 30 years, and the only movies I watch are Star Wars. (Well, almost.)

    The net effect of this is to reserve the privilege of publishing software to the elite few that can be certified as providing DRM. The Internet brought publishing to the masses -- now the big guys want to shut that off with trademark domain name rackets, etc. The free software revolution brought the art of producing software, the high art of hackery, to the masses. Now that's going to be shut off, too.

    Fundamentally there's no difference between a gigantic big-city newspaper and a tiny neighborhood newsletter. Both should be accorded the same rights and protections. Well, fundamentally there's no difference between Microsoft and me, except Microsoft is big enough to be able to survive this DRM stuff. If it goes through, I won't be able to write software any more. Children won't be able to legally learn to program in the 4th grade like I did. Software will only come from crufty companies, and you can forget about free software (as in speech or as in beer, either one). There will be NO innovation anymore, and society will get what it justly deserves for passing such laws. I guess at that point only a revolution will bring back liberty.

    Richard Stallman once wrote an essay [gnu.org] dipicting a future of software controls and unreasonable DRM. In the story, debuggers had been declared illegal because their primary purpose was to subvert copyright protections. I laughed the first time I read it, thinking that was ludicrous.

  • So what's this going to do to the content PRODUCER by crovira (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @11:32AM
  • by Mnemia (218659) on Friday March 01 2002, @11:32AM (#3090812)

    One of the things that has really bothered me during the whole SSSCA debate is the media coverage, or lack thereof. I live in South Carolina, and I've never even ONCE heard any mention of this issue from any SC-based media outlet. A quick search of some newspaper archives (Columbia's The State [thestate.com] and Charleston's Post and Courier [charleston.net]) confirms this. It seems that most of the state adores Hollings and most news stories present him in glowing fashion. I just find it sad that very few of the people actually responsible for putting and keeping this guy in office even hear about major policy he is spearheading. If that's not a breakdown of democracy, I don't know what is.

  • by Rogerborg (306625) on Friday March 01 2002, @11:33AM (#3090813) Homepage

    Even assuming that copyright isn't extended indefinitely, which is a pretty big assumption, the SSSCA will effectively kill the public domain, and here's why.

    Even when content comes out of copyright, how are you going to get access to it to use, modify and distribute it? Work through it with me. What you will have is (e.g.) a SSSCA-compliant DVD-2 disk containing an AV stream with a watermark that says "I belong to Disney" weaved in.

    But it's out of copyright (let's ignore trademarks, although god knows that's a huge assumption), so now you can quite legally give a copy to your friends, or make your own edit of it, right?

    Er, how?

    You need to strip the watermark, or it will keep screaming that it belongs to Disney, and I very, very much doubt if any watermarks will have dates on them. No problem, you've got a quantum computer that can crack the pathetic 70 (90, 110, 130 or whatever it is by then) year old protection and remove it, right?

    Not legally, you don't. You're allowed to do it, but you're not allowed the tools to do it. This is already the case under the DMCA. But the SSSCA just makes it worse because now you don't have (legal) access to any devices that will play any copied or modified versions unless you strip the watermark. Now you're damned if you do, and damned if you don't.

    (Apologies for the re-use of the analogy, but it's a good one). The content is in a safe with a tiny window that means only you can view it. The clock has run out, and you're now legally allowed to open the safe and get access to the content. Only you don't know the combination. And you're not allowed to buy safe cracking tools, because the assumption is that you'll use them to crack open safes holding still copyrighted material.

    One way or another, you have to break the law to create a copy or a modified version or to use such a copy, even though the act of making the copy is entirely legal. It's as simple as that.

    Now consider that this also applies to fair use before the copyright expires. Bye bye using clips or images for parody, comment or review. Oh, you can copy the clip, it's just that owning anything that enables you to do so, or to view the copied clip, is illegal.

    I do believe that the DMCA and the SSSCA are primarily about stopping piracy. There's no sinister long term motive to stop all fair use dead, or to extend copyright (or copy-prevention) indefinitely. No, those are just nice side effects that polarise society into two groups: licensed content creators, and consumers. Nothing in the middle. No independent multimedia artists or satirists, no amateur editors, no Project Guttenberg, no public domain libraries... no public domain. Just corporate producers, good little consumers... and criminals.

    That's not a world I relish living in.

  • Well it works for Uncle Charlie... by PlatoShrimp (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @11:33AM
  • A Testimony concerning SSSCA by some homeless guy (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @11:34AM
  • What happens when by ThePilgrim (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @11:41AM
  • This seems so Dilbertian... (Score:4, Funny)

    by Jason Levine (196982) on Friday March 01 2002, @11:41AM (#3090938) Homepage
    Just replace the IT industry with Dilbert, the MPAA folks with marketing weasels, and the congressmen with Pointy-Haired Bosses. To sum up the hearings, this is how it went:

    Marketing Weasels: "This online piracy is hurting sales. The solution is obvious: Make all computers unable to copy anything."

    PHB: "Yup. That sounds right, take care of it Dilbert."

    Dilbert: "That's impossible. All computers copy. It's part of their basic operation. You might as well tell me to design a perpetual motion machine."

    PHB: "I don't understand what you're saying. Logically, anything I don't understand isn't important. You have 12 to 18 months to make all the computers in the world unable to copy. Oh, and the marketing weasels get to decide on the specs. Don't worry, they rarely change their minds more than twice a day."
  • Dirty nasty filthy bits (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Bongo (13261) on Friday March 01 2002, @11:43AM (#3090960)

    I'm no techno guru, so I can't say I understand all the issues involved in building 'secure' systems, but I dunno how they can stop the "laws of physics" (as some posters have put it), and prevent bits from being copied.

    They can only make it harder to copy stuff, but then it only takes one person to crack it. They can make it illegal to distribute copies, but then we have huge illegal distribution networks in place. They can put people in jail for posession, but then they can't examine the contents of a CD found on your person without taking it to the lab. They can make a device report every single file you open to some central database or whatnot, but who the hell is going to track billions of needles in terabytes of haystacks?

    Just what do they expect to be able to do? Frighten people? Make 'em think, "gee, this is illegal... I'd better not do it?" -- but music and films appeal to young people, the ones most likely to have less need of "respectability".

    Is Dirty Data is going to become a new rhetoric, a sort of new morality, making people believe that data can be "filthy" and "rotten". Listen to a Bach copy and you'll be corrupted by those dirty nasty un-authenticated bits??

    Is that all they hope to achieve? Get the tech industry to admit that it might be sort of maybe possible, (thus creating pretense that the law is enforceable), and then use the existence of the law to create a cultural notion that copying is bad and can damage your health and well being?

    Silly, but I do wonder. Or perhaps they already realise that the game is up. Digital technology is to data what mass cheap produced energy available through a socket in your home is to the local cart and coal merchant. They know the game is up. Their distribution model is dead. And they're just buying themselves some time.

    So long as they can maintain the illusion that they still have something to own and distribute (see, we prevent copies with DRM, and we sell online to new markets), then their credibility as a business will continue... just a little while longer. Maybe until they figure out what to really do, maybe just to milk the market until they retire.

    Either way, when an empty shell of an industry only has it's image of power and worth left, then "The show must go on...."

  • The Opportunity in all of this by pavera (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @11:43AM
  • Thank God I don't live in the States.... by javacowboy (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @11:47AM
  • Hypocrites by EvilMal (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @11:50AM
    • Re:Hypocrites by cr0sh (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @02:13PM
      • Re:Hypocrites by EvilMal (Score:1) Saturday March 02 2002, @12:26AM
  • monopoly leverage by bigbadbuccidaddy (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @11:57AM
  • Some reasons why these laws if passed, will fail by twfry (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @11:58AM
  • Movie Companies should subsidize protections by AZPhysics (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @12:00PM
  • The value of General Computers. by RyanFenton (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @12:05PM
  • its the american way by cesspool (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @12:13PM
  • Please, tell me I'm reading this wrong. by AnotherBlackHat (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @12:19PM
  • Does SSSCA violate DMCA? by cei (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @12:21PM
  • Letter to Senators by hirschma (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @12:24PM
  • by donglekey (124433) on Friday March 01 2002, @12:42PM (#3091730) Homepage
    With that shirt came a copy of DeCCS. I think that making a copy, sending it to a representative, and letting him know that he is now a criminal should be a good way to get the point across. Then explaining how the SSSCA is 10 times worse should let him know how justified it is that many people hate this.
  • Misuse of copyright protection by mmcgreal (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @12:51PM
  • Legacy technology... by talesin (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @12:52PM
  • Don't write your Congressmen by NumberSyx (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @12:58PM
  • Websites? by pergamon (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @01:01PM
    • Re:Websites? by hether (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @02:21PM
  • Hardware Sales by stevedc2000 (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @01:09PM
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  • Law Makers... by Eric Damron (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @01:13PM
  • Goddammit this is freaking retarded. by sup4hleet (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @01:17PM
  • This is good news. by aiken_d (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @01:17PM
  • "Edited Movies" by Dr.Dubious DDQ (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @01:22PM
  • We Have No Government Without CFR! by Nightspore (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @01:23PM
  • Go read the Thoreau, but think too... by SomeGuyFromCA (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @01:24PM
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  • Get Fritz's attention by frank_adrian314159 (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @01:25PM
  • IF... by jjoyce (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @01:28PM
  • Question by trcmon (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @01:29PM
  • The real question is by glsunder (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @01:42PM
  • Why do we have to fear this? by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @01:46PM
  • Hey! A Suicide Booth! So long suckers... by gnovos (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @01:50PM
  • transcripts, recordings and submitted content by morgue-ann (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @01:55PM
  • USA by radja (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @02:01PM
  • do senators read slashdot? by Narcocide (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @02:25PM
  • If I had to pick, Id take intels choice by objwiz (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @02:25PM
  • Solution by teeth (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @02:30PM
  • Probably better to write your Senator.... by jsimon12 (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @02:31PM
  • International Impact by Matthew Bassett (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @02:37PM
  • How will this really affect anyone? by weinerdog (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @02:40PM
  • Let them pass it by J'raxis (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @02:40PM
  • The Other Shoe by carrier lost (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @02:43PM
  • Slashdot PAC redux by Mr. Fred Smoothie (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @03:04PM
  • Doesn't matter. by panda (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @03:06PM
  • SSSCA offers some -opportunities- too by jet_silver (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @03:17PM
  • Impossible by panda (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @03:29PM
  • I, for one, hope this passes... by strAtEdgE (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @03:52PM
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  • Does this mean ? by nurb432 (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @04:05PM
  • Fscking Idiotic Circular Logic! by evilpaul13 (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @05:01PM
  • AOL/Time Warner is so stupid by Mr.roboto (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @05:15PM
  • Is Intellectual Property Legitimate by dufflepud (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @05:20PM
  • Publicity by rongage (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @05:40PM
  • stupid white men by maxpublic (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @06:28PM
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  • Hardware compatibility by Ogerman (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @08:12PM
  • Electronics in the DRM era by sarice (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @08:30PM
  • IP: No such thing by piotru (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @09:03PM
  • This will hinder more than just the IT industry! by Knobby (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @09:42PM
  • Last time I remember... by lowdozage (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @10:14PM
  • great news by kpeerless (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @11:56PM
  • Analogy: cop-detector weapons law by JamieF (Score:1) Saturday March 02 2002, @12:27AM
  • The SSSCA is stupid, yeah! by The Evil Beaver (Score:1) Saturday March 02 2002, @12:27AM
  • Letter to my Senator by snogwozzle (Score:2) Saturday March 02 2002, @03:04AM
  • Music I already Own... by Silver Rose (Score:1) Monday March 04 2002, @06:24PM
  • Re:Who cares what america does? America != The Wor by Oswald (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @10:26AM
  • Re:Sick, sick, sick by Znork (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @10:52AM
  • Re:Who cares what america does? America != The Wor by ickle_matt (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @11:02AM
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  • by Creedo (548980) on Friday March 01 2002, @11:08AM (#3090516) Journal
    First of all, not all of Congress are money- grubbing worms. And the others are afraid of losing support.

    I suggest contacting people like Rick Boucher(info here [techlawjournal.com]). He seems to have a clue [techlawjournal.com]. Get ahold of his office, and find out who else could help out. Then help them organize resistance to this bill.

    It's been said a thousand times, but listen anyway: contact your state's Congress memebers. Write down your comments before hand, making them concise and lucid. Leave the vitriol and belly aching on /. and make your case logically. Don't be threatening, just make it clear that this is important to your vote. Yes, you may get a "we need to protect copyrights...blah...blah" response, but I guarantee that if you got a chain of messages going to them, they will listen. You call. Then, have your spouse, mom, dad, brother, sister, aunt, uncle, whatever, call. And get as many of your friends to do the same as you can.

    Creedo
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  • Re:Logic behind this law should make guns illegal by PlatoShrimp (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @01:22PM
  • America has REALLY long arms by Frank T. Lofaro Jr. (Score:2) Friday March 01 2002, @06:17PM
  • Re:boycott? by netsharc (Score:1) Friday March 01 2002, @09:40PM
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