Comment: Re:We didn't really know how things worked before (Score 1) 375
I consider myself pro-science, open to catastrophic scenarios, but also wary of cultural bias (I've lived in enough places to see how culture can affect a whole country even when the world is telling them they are wrong). Yours is the best post I've seen in a few years. It does really come down to separating the science from the politics. The political AGW crowd makes no reservations about accusing the motives and ethics of others. Big oil only interested in profit is destroying the planet, like the tobacco companies destroyed your health. OK, but the political AGW people are upholding their own ethical stance, their own sense of morality, for the planet and future generations, and THOSE ethical judgements also deserve scrutiny. Did you know that Apartheid was morally linked to a sense of natural order which came from ecology? The Western Buddhist types get it wrong -- simply being devoted to a higher morality and devoted to the good of the world and a higher consciousness does't automatically grant you knowledge of how to make that goodness a reality in practical social ways. It is those kinds of really hard questions that the political AGW crowd need to be willing to face, because feeling you are taking a higher moral stance is one thing, but actually knowing in practice what is a good solution is another thing entirely. People can be highly morally and ethically driven to do the right thing. But the biggest problem with global warming -- and global warming is just one instance of a whole class of global problems that go beyond national boundaries and seem to require some sort of global system -- the biggest problem is we don't know how to create a global system that can deal with global problems. Political AGW seem to claim more than enough practical certainty to believe that we have to act. OK, but who knows how to make the global system act? On ANYTHING? The "truth" is not enough. The globe isn't just 200 countries, it is a set of cultures that live in different ages. The Americans can't even sort out their own Republican v Democrat differences, which on a global scale, are negligibly different, and yet, the two sides sorta often hate each other, and yet, we're somehow going to unite the world under one main cause? It is one ecosystem but each culture sees that ecosystem from a very different place. People often severely underestimate the cultural differences around the world, which is ironic given how much people love to travel and "celebrate" other cultures. The reason global warming politically won't work is the same as why USA utterly failed in Afghanistan, and is still failing after 10 years -- it is a different culture, radically different, the people as a whole just don't share the same values, and there's no reason why they should, and no way to change them. They are adapted to their environment using the best cultural systems they know, codes that go back much longer than democracy or even authoritarian government. I picked up a little book, "What About China?" which purported to answer the global warming political issue of, why should the West commit to emissions cuts when China is industrialising? I was really curious to know, because I'd like to think I'm open minded. So I read the book, and it says, "we should set the good example." The naivety was astounding. China, considered itself the centre of the world and civilisation for so long that it figured the rest of the world wasn't even worth exploring, is now going to put the environment ahead of production because they want to follow the good example set by America? The irony of global warming politics is that the AGW crowd don't understand the world. They don't understand the diversity of culture. They're a clique (millions in a world of billions) who can only see their own moral stance, and can't understand the moral stances of others. This makes them as much part of the problem as anyone else in the global arena, because the world is culturally deeply fractured, and their approach of vilifying others only adds to that fragmentation. George W. Bush or Al Gore -- they both have an Us v Them attitude.