Intel Comes Under Fire in China Over Xinjiang Labor Stance (bloomberg.com) 59
Intel is facing criticism in China after it asked suppliers not to use Xinjiang labor or products, threatening to ensnare the U.S. chipmaker in a dispute over human rights in the far western Chinese region. From a report: Users on the Twitter-like Weibo service this week posted a letter sent by Intel in December that said it is required to ensure its supply chain didn't employ labor or procure goods and services sourced in Xinjiang. The nationalist news site Guancha accused the chipmaker of siding with Western governments, which have imposed restrictions on products from the region. A hashtag on the topic has generated more than 250 million views on Weibo.
One more thing (Score:1)
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Captain Obvious Inside (Score:2)
Yes, and Western governments don't support slavery.
We are seeing increasing cultural and political conflicts between China and the West. China used to give in a bit to keep trade open, and the West mostly ignored de-facto slavery because it helped plutocrats' profits.
But now China feels large enough to take economic hits over refusals, and their labor actions get more attention in the West because of their prominence.
Re:Captain Obvious Inside (Score:4, Interesting)
If you look more broadly they've had a lot of success with western companies who rely on selling a sizeable amount of product into china. Heck, John Cena was forced to apologize by a movie studio for calling Taiwan a country.
Generally these tend to be win-win situations for China, either the company kowtows to the complaints from China or they get boycotted/banned in favour of a company that does or a homegrown one.
Re:Captain Obvious Inside (Score:5, Insightful)
Intel's a bit big for China to take on, though. I can't see Intel kowtowing or China banning it; Intel is too important for China to ban and Intel knows it won't face any serious blowback.
We need more companies to take a stand, or better yet for democracies to pass laws forbidding companies from profiting from slave labor. Only a united stand against China has any hope of succeeding.
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Re: Captain Obvious Inside (Score:2)
https://www.shine.cn/biz/tech/... [shine.cn]
And kowtow'ed
Re:Captain Obvious Inside (Score:4, Informative)
"Yes, and Western governments don't support slavery."
Except for the US and its use of prisoners as slave labor which is legal and currently taken advantage of per the Constitution.
13th Amendment: Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
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If I'm not mistaken, prisoner work is not a requirement. Many do volunteer out of boredom, to earn a small stipend, and/or to gain work skills to later apply for a real job.
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How this got modded up is anyone's guess. Have you been to prison or tried to get a detail? Honest question.
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Serving a prison sentence is not slavery. Unless you think people shouldn't be held accountable for their crimes.
Re: Captain Obvious Inside (Score:1)
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I understand that. I still don't see anything wrong with it as long as its not overly harsh or unusual labor. The kinds of labor prisoners perform in the US are things like cleaning trash from the sides of the highway or operating license plate stamps. There's aren't particularly hard or taxing and it fills a community service.
Now if they were using inmates to test drugs on, or clean up hazardous chemical spills or something like that I would have a problem. But having a guy push a button on a machine? Its
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So no. That is total BS.
HOWEVER, work IS available, BUT the pay is below minimum wage and labor laws do not apply.
Personally, I have an issue with this, but slavery? Nope.
What was Intel even sourcing from Xinjiang? (Score:1)
There's almost nothing if at all that they were sourcing from there, why even bother write a policy over it? That's just pure stupidity. But maybe they are trying to get more money from the Federal government because they are having a harder time competing against other companies.
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It's not clear that laborers initially taken into custody in Xinxiang stay there, nor is it clear if production facilities elsewhere in the country outsource some of their work to camps in Xinxiang (or what it is that party officials trust the imprisoned laborers to actually produce). Intel has packaging facilities in China, and now that they're moving into the dGPU business, undoubtedly some of their board partners will be producing products there too. It's hard to track exactly what does or does not get
Do What the Dragon Wants You To DO (Score:5, Informative)
Ignore the concentration camps [nypost.com]
Ignore the forced labor of prisoners so you can get your cheap Christmas lights [thesun.co.uk]
Ignore the cover-up and posturing over any investigation into CV19 origins [go.com]
Ignore us claiming vast swaths of the South China Sea as "historic territory" [jstor.org]
Come to our Olympic games and spend lavishly so we can show how progressive we are. [wallstreetrebel.com]
We want peace and Taiwan too and we will threaten anybody who allies with Taiwan. [business-standard.com]
That's what we want the world to do, so do as we say.
Fuck China
^ Mod parent up. (Score:4, Insightful)
This is by no means an exhaustive list
I notice that I have stopped getting mod points entirely after being very anti-CCP and calling out fake accounts. I doubt this is a coincidence.
Don't forget China claims less than 5,000 total covid deaths. [jhu.edu] While also controlling the WHO as a mouth piece for their own bullshit narrative. [nytimes.com]
Trust nothing they say, they're very much bent on world domination. [brookings.edu]
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Literally every one of your posts is pro-CCP. I really wish /. had competent management. I hope you end up in one of the concentration camps you shill for.
Re: Do What the Dragon Wants You To DO (Score:1)
Look, another little wumao.
Is that Oregonian ?
How's the weather in Bejing today Comrade ?
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I hope you end up in one of the concentration camps you shill for.
Your wish is granted [wikipedia.org].
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Amazon doesn't used forced labor. People get paid to do that work. Anyone who doesn't like it (for good reason!) may choose to work elsewhere. Everyone is hiring right now! Nobody has to work for Amazon.
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NO Muslims are working in Xinxiang? 100% unemployment? Shocking.
what happened to ChinaSmack? (Score:2)
Re: Where are the forced labors? (Score:1)
Cupcake we know you're on the CCP payroll. Do yourself a favor and don't work so hard to prove it. I promise you your paymasters are just checking boxes to make their quotas for shills sponsored this quarter. They'll pay you just the same if you copy paste penis jokes so long as you tell them it was pro-CCP penis jokes.
Re: Where are the forced labors? (Score:1)
Wumao.
Don't save all your 50c payments, spend some.
If you save too many you might cross that atbitary wealth red line and find yourself being "disappeared".
Just some friendly advice for you Comrade.
Re: Where are the forced labors? (Score:2)
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threats of beatings and organ harvesting hanging over you.
Why do I worry about organ harvesting? I don't have an uterus [bbc.com].
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No, but you have kidneys. For now.
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threats of beatings and organ harvesting hanging over you.
And why do I worry about being beaten? I don't live in Guantanamo Bay [aclu.org]. Please don't send me there, I'm not a Muslim.
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Well, if someone else is doing it too, it must be OK. So you support these practices, then?
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Also, I'm having difficulty locating where anything in those links even involves China, let alone the extremely well documented nature of their regime. My geography is a little weak, but after a quick internet search I don't think Kuwait, Iraq, or Vietnam are even *in* China. I suppose technically your fallacy is "ad hominem", though it's so tenuous I think it might just be regular ol'
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Where are the forced labors?... It is over here... Where are the torturing of Muslims?...
You need to ask your masters in Beijing to supply you with better English teachers. That Chinglish you write is a dead giveaway.
American companies should (Score:4, Insightful)
side eith American values.
But they don't. They rely on typical the American's provincialism by being all woke 'n' shit in their American offices and ad copy while using slave labor and accomodating racist/sexist/anti-gay attitudes in their operations abroad.
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American values are the almighty dollar. They always side with that. So what are you whining about?
Re: American companies should (Score:1)
American values are the respect for individual autonomy and voluntary cooperation and exchange of goods, services, and ideas on mutually agreed terms.
To the superficially-minded, it looks like greed and nothing more. But to the superficially-minded, it also looks like milk comes from the milk carton and electricity comes from the electrical outlet.
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American values are the respect for individual autonomy
Ah so that's why Texas fought two wars against individual autonomy. And why people wanting to celebrating those who fought a war against it too. And why so many are against women's autonomy. Oh yeah and why America declared war on individual autonomy to get high and figured the best way to maintain individual autonomy was to put in prison more individually autonomous people than any other country on Earth.
If "respect for individual autonomy" is an Ameri
Re: American companies should (Score:1)
As liberals have liked to point out for a good century or so, my right to swing my fist ends where your nose begins.
If you're referring to laws seeking to curtail the practice of aborting viable pregnancies, you're being intentionally obtuse: the woman is not the only person whose right to autonomy is in consideration. It's an inconvenient point but it's a fact that there isn't much moral difference between terminating a pregnancy at 16 weeks after conception and 16 weeks after delivery.
If you're referring
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If you're referring to laws seeking to curtail the practice of aborting viable pregnancies
I see you ignoring my point about large numbers of Americans still celebrating those who fought to maintain slavery.
It's an inconvenient point but it's a fact that there isn't much moral difference between terminating a pregnancy at 16 weeks after conception and 16 weeks after delivery.
It's an convenient opinion for those who love to use the color of law to enforce their religion on others. As for a fact, no it's not a
Re: American companies should (Score:1)
Having a gun in your hand does not impare your ability to make rational decisions. Having meth/weed/booze etc in your blood does.
Who's celebrating the practice of slavery, exactly? Identify your target and attack it. You might find more allies that way than accusing everyone with an R next to their name of holding the same beliefs as the worst caricature in your imagination.
6 weeks. 16 weeks. Whatever. A life is a life. We permit the ending of a life under very narrow circumstances that all have something t
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Having a gun in your hand does not impare your ability to make rational decisions. Having meth/weed/booze etc in your blood does.
Well that's up for debate. A stoner quietly toking on the beach is of no threat to anyone. You want to suppress his autonomy because fundamentally you're authoritarian and only consider the things you personally do to be worthy of freedom.
In fact it's pretty well established that stoned people are on the whole less dangerous than drunk ones. The whole banning pot was a set of pret
Re: American companies should (Score:1)
Fundamentalist snakehandlers also believe in feeding their children food. I'm not about to start starving my kids to pwn the whackos.
We don't tear down statues of Caesar still standing around Europe and the Mediterranean because he took slaves from wherever he put up his likeness. The act of erasing historical artifacts is also wrong.
Tearing the statues down won't magic away past injustice. Humoring the mentality that it will is also unhealthy.
You seem to be into mind-reading these days. I suggest a trip to
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In your mind allowing women bodily autonomy is aiming to starving kids. Okey dokey.
And we both know that unlike Caesar, those people specifically fought a war to retain slavery, and most of the statutes were put up by massive racists many many decades after they lost. Tearing down statutes won't magic away injustice, but that doesn't me we should be celebrating people who fought for injustice in the town square.
Why pretend you care about liberty when you clearly don't?
Re: American companies should (Score:1)
Caesar waged wars of conquest with the specific objective of capturing slaves. Don't white wash the barbarism of classical civilization just because its historical remove from today and reverence among the intelligentsia makes it an inconvenient target.
How you read "abortion equals starving kids" from what I wrote is beyond me. What I said was that you seem to have no problem with "thou shalt not kill" as a religious principle in our laws but somehow "life before the moment of birth is still life" is a brid
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Caesar waged wars of conquest with the specific objective of capturing slaves.
And capture land, expand the empire and so on.
How you read "abortion equals starving kids" from what I wrote is beyond me.
Try reading your own words. Seemed like a pretty bizarre comparison to me. Tell me then what you do mean.
What I said was that you seem to have no problem with "thou shalt not kill" as a religious principle in our laws
I must have missed the bit where you repealed the death penalty, huh. And issue police with
Time to pack it up and move (Score:4, Insightful)
I know it's not something that can be done overnight, but it seems well past time that American companies start moving manufacturing to other places. I know Google and Apple, probably others, have been trying to move more and more stuff to Vietnam, so maybe it's time to move up some of the time tables. Some activists should start using the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act to try to encourage companies to step on the gas.
One of the few smart things a previous employer of mine ever did was make sure to keep China operations at arms reach as much as possible. Anyone traveling there had to get a specially configured laptop, they restricted access to documents in the ERP based on region, and they would only make products that were a couple generations behind what they were selling elsewhere because the assumption was that the Chinese government would take a few units and have some state owned company reverse engineer it then sell obvious clones. It would never cease that the people working in the China office would send requests out of nowhere wanting to know specific details about particular parts. We'd always politely tell them to pound sand.
Apple is under fire too (Score:2)
Activist investors want to make them toe the line too:
https://arstechnica.com/gadget... [arstechnica.com]