China Wants To Ban Bitcoin Mining 99
China's state planner wants to eliminate bitcoin mining in the country, according to a draft list of industrial activities the agency is seeking to stop in a sign of growing government pressure on the cryptocurrency sector. From a report: China is the world's largest market for computer hardware designed to mine bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies, even though such activities previously fell under a regulatory grey area. The National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC) said on Monday it was seeking public opinions on a revised list of industries it wants to encourage, restrict or eliminate. The list was first published in 2011. The draft for a revised list added cryptocurrency mining, including that of bitcoin, to more than 450 activities the NDRC said should be phased out as they did not adhere to relevant laws and regulations, were unsafe, wasted resources or polluted the environment. It did not stipulate a target date or plan for how to eliminate bitcoin mining, meaning that such activities should be phased out immediately, the document said. The public has until May 7 to comment on the draft.
Re:This is good for Bitcoin (Score:5, Insightful)
This might actually be good for crypto in general, since it will finally convince developers that they need to move away from "Proof Of Work" verification algorithms and less processor intensive verification methods like "Proof Of Stake". It's been on their "To Do" lists for awhile, since environmentalists have been hounding them about how much electricity crypto mining wastes for years now. Like many things in IT, being forced to do something because of government regulation can force change here.
Bitcoin neither diverse nor decentralized (Score:5, Interesting)
This is good for Bitcoin
It might be. It could force bitcoin to move from proof-of-work to proof-of-stake or some other scheme that distributes maintenance of the blockchain (and does not waste energy). Right now mining is not decentralizing.
Bitcoin is not decentralized and has not been for years. The underlying theory of bitcoin is that a diverse and decentralized population of users maintain the blockchain via their ordinary computers. Bitcoin has neither diversity nor decentralization. Bitcoin is not diverse as it is dominated by the manufacturers and owners of expensive and specialized mining hardware, ASICs. Bitcoin is not decentralized as 70%+ of the miners are in a single country, China, and low cost government controlled power. Bitcoin has deviated from its core design that was supposed to ensure security. Bitcoin is vulnerable to government manipulation as it exists at the moment.
If China follow through with a mining ban and bitcoin evolves, moves back towards its design, they yeah, that would be good. If not and it dies and some other blockchain based non-proof-of-work coin becomes dominant that too is good.
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Bitcoin can't move to proof-of-stake.
Of course it can, it software based.
Bitcoin has a way to vote for changes to the protocol but that voting is done by miners. The interests of miners are not the same as those of holders of the currency which are also different from the interests of users of the currency.
A fork gets around this problem.
People holding the currency are mostly doing it for speculation, their interest is the currency appreciating.
Moving to non-proof-of-work does not remove the element of speculation.
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A fork of bitcoin isn't bitcoin.
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A fork of bitcoin isn't bitcoin.
That's semantics. That your coins now have a different acronym and name is irrelevant.
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> distributes maintenance of the blockchain (and does not waste energy). Right now mining is not decentralizing.
distribution and decentralization are not interchangeable terms. distribution relates to conserving existing structural resilience, decentralization is about control over future structural developments. Proof of stake merely moves the locus of this control from one kind of self-compounding initial advantage (access to cheap/free electricity, hardware, and facilities) to another (being among th
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Note that I did not refer to proof-of-stake exclusively. That is just one example mentioned by name. The fact remains that a non-proof-of-work system that does not waste enormous amounts of energy is needed.
Problems related to the initial distribution of a proof-of-stake coin is mitigated by hybrid approaches. Such as etherium's plan to start with proof-of-work and m
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its wasteful with little to no merit of any kind
There are many things in life that various people consider to be wasteful and with little or no merit.
Authoritarian governments have a poor track record of picking winners and losers.
Opportunity for hardware development elsewhere (Score:1, Flamebait)
Re:Opportunity for hardware development elsewhere (Score:5, Insightful)
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Bitcoin is the most manipulated currency ever, which is the main reason it and other cryptocurrencies will always fail.
Science fiction is fiction
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it and other cryptocurrencies will always fail.
Yes but will bitcoin fail before or after one of the 2,000 competing currencies takes it's place? It's a human institution, and will fail eventually, but it's showing no signs of that, present article included.
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What flavour Kool Aid do you drink?
Freedom [tm]
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Bitcoin is being banned because it's a proof-of-work cryptocurrency. Why the hell would you want to replace it with another proof-of-work cryptocurrency?
Let the green proof-of-stake cryptocurrencies such as Reddcoin, which don't require anywhere near the same amount of power, replace the wasteful proof-of-work cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin.
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Re:Opportunity for hardware development elsewhere (Score:5, Interesting)
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craigslist censors (Score:1)
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Second clause to that headline should read: (Score:2)
But how will they prop up North Korea? (Score:2)
If China bans bitcoin mining, how will they then prop up North Korea?
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Well... anybody making money mining Bitcoin NOW is probably stealing electricity.
Some people earlier on were either smart enough or lucky enough to get in early and ride the price increase from less than a buck to over $10,000. I doubt that we'll see that happen again any time soon, though.
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Not the people who mined a few months after Bitcoin was created.
I remember reading a comment on Slashdot, something along the lines of "...after I could only mine half a bitcoin per day on my laptop, I stopped doing it because I thought it was pointless."
No rational state can support kleptocurrency (Score:5, Interesting)
The entire purpose of cryptocurrency is to undermine the state. There is literally no other value add to the blockchainist (pseudo) decentralization model of electronic currency.
the most impressive feat of Bitcoin is that it's managed to use a misdirection story about 'technology' (plus some good old fashioned corruption) to prevent china - of all nations - from recognizing its true and intended purpose for so long.
Bitcoin not decentralized, has not been for years (Score:4, Insightful)
The entire purpose of cryptocurrency is to undermine the state. There is literally no other value add to the blockchainist (pseudo) decentralization model of electronic currency.
Actually, bitcoin has undermine itself.
Bitcoin is not decentralized and has not been for years. The underlying theory of bitcoin is that a diverse and decentralized population of users maintain the blockchain. Bitcoin has neither diversity nor decentralization. Bitcoin is not diverse as it is dominated by the manufacturers and owners of expensive and specialized mining hardware, ASICs. Bitcoin is not decentralized as 70%+ of the ASIC miners are in a single country, China, dependent upon inexpensive government control power. Bitcoin has deviated from its core design that was supposed to ensure security.
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yes, that's what the (pseudo) is there to indicate
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FTFY.
The theory of Bitcoin is much narrower:
* if you achieve diverse and decentralized in the real world, you're in a good place
* mechanisms exist within Bitcoin to encourage (but not guarantee) this outcome
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Why so serious? (Score:1)
Re:.. and exposure of Huawei abuse (Score:2)
Nice to see the Huawei apologies are still running wild /sigh
"Huawei caught spying on Pakistan's CCTV network"
An exposure by the BBC's flagship current affair documentary, but hey, let the idiocracy run rampant.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/... [bbc.co.uk]
Finally (Score:2)
It's rare to see, but in this case the Chinese government is doing something right.
At this stage the only difference these mining rigs are making to the world is making it warmer.