Active Noise-Canceling Headsets In Server Rooms? 141
An anonymous reader asks: "Recently I co-located our computer room to a temporary hosting facility. It's a big shop, with everything you could want, along with quite a high dB of background noise. I've no desire to wear those silly little yellow earplugs for several hours when I'm on site there, and standard headsets are such non-IT apparel. Given that technology is the cure to many of todays evils I was wondering if any people had experimented with active noise canceling headphones and has something to say about them. Does anyone use any active noise canceling headsets in a computer room or data facility, and if so how good are they?"
I use... (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-MDR-NC50-Noise-Cancelin g-Headphones/dp/B0007N55OQ/sr=8-1/qid=1163179023/r ef=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-1893536-4549558?ie=UTF8&s=elect ronics [amazon.com]
The customer reviews pretty much sum them up - I've even got one in there. They do a FANTASTIC job at filtering out our 500 servers, with or without playing music.
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Those are pretty fantastic!
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-nB
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A whole host of options [cabelas.com] for protecting your ears. I have some of the Walker's Game Ears to protect me during shooting, hunting, and other noisy activities. The clip noises at 110db if I remember correctly.
I use Etymotic [etymotic.com] ear buds around the office to give a 25dB reduction in ambient chatter while mixing music with the various puter noises.
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Maybe its just me but piping white noise into my head was as bad as listening to the server noise - and cost an additional fifty bucks.
wear the foam earplugs (Score:3, Informative)
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(When you can feel the overpressure of the muzzle blast from five feet away, you know it's no good for your ears)
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My brother got me noise-canceling headphones for Christmas one t
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$50 vs. $300 vs. Helicopter headsets (Score:2)
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The original poster said, "I've no desire to wear those silly little yellow earplugs." Well luckily for him or her, the "silly little earplugs" come in more colors than just yellow, they
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Noise cancelling headphones do nothing to prevent the hearing loss. They are designed to make the headphone signal more audible
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There are a number of different brands with different shapes and sizes that all perform roughly the same. If one style in uncomfortable try one of the others. A number of places sell "sampler" packs online.
My prefered brand is Moldex Pura-fit. The noise protection is excellent and the foam is soft and comfortable. When I was working shift work I used to wear Pura-fit ear plugs to go to sleep.
at best, good (Score:5, Interesting)
I've owned and sampled various active noise cancellation headphones. At best, I've found them to be good. At worst I've found them totally ineffective.
To attenuate high dB environments, I'd consider the "good" of headphones I've tried to be less than satisfactory, i.e., my subjective evaluation has been about a 10 dB or so drop in levels, good, but if you're looking to get rid of noise these won't do that. If the room is loud enough, I think they'd only lessen the noise to barely acceptable levels.
You mentioned you don't want to wear the silly yellow ear plugs... there are some available in other silly colors. ;-) On the other hand, you aren't likely to be anymore comfortable with headphones on the whole time, and you're going to look no less silly. I've found earplugs to be quite effective, and they're something you can get used to.
If you're looking to "use" headphones, i.e., listen to music, you might consider various ear-canal headphones. I own a pair of those, and aside from the amazing sound quality of the music, I get about a 30dB attenuation of ambient noise. Two birds with one stone. YMMV.
Good luck!
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The ear-canal phones are another nice solution, except the pressure on the inside of the ear annoys me after a while.
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I'll second the canalphone rec.. (Score:4, Insightful)
Of course you have to get used to having something stuck in your ear....
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Two weeks ago, I went out to a shopping mall, and dropped by at SonyStyle, Bose, Discovery, Brookstone, and SharperImages to try all the noise cancelling headsets they had.
For my ears, in terms of qualtify, Bose QC was the winner(yes, I know it costs x2 for 10% improvement). I eagerly went home with QC2, hoping to block out my roommate's computers' fan noise.
The very next day, I went back to Bose shop to exchange it for QC3, hoping that this one is not toally worthless.
From my expe
SAGE has info on this (Score:5, Interesting)
Several options (Score:2)
http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=40 69679 [jr.com]
These do an excellent job of just reducing the sound across the spectrum, so your 90db server room turns into 70db. In fact, I use these plugs while drumming to be able to hear properly (foam plugs kill the highs). An additional help with these plugs is that speech is still very clear.
I've also used some Sony in-ear headphones, and am thinking of ordering some of the Sennheiser phones. Now, these don't have active cancella
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I've been wearing a pair of their HD 280 Pro for about a year (whenever I'm in the server room) and they're perfect. I usually hang an iPod off of them. They bring down the ambient noise so much that I listen to the iPod at fairly low levels and hear the music just fine. They're rather comfortable as well. Yesterday I wore them for about six hours with no discomfort. They're an over-the-ear design and I can testify that they don't touch the ear at all.
The only problem w
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I do find them a bit
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I have a set of these myself (in blue) and I take them to concerts. They are great because they make a smooth reduction in sound, there are earplugs out there that decrease it more but not that do it so evenly (unless you spend a ton on the etymotic custom ones or something) The one thing that bothers me though is that when its a band that I want to sing (yell) along to it sounds really weird because the earplugs only serve to make your
Too much high frequency noise (Score:3, Insightful)
Also, wearing circumaural ANC headphones is going to be a lot more annoying than almost-invisible earplugs. The in-ear ANC headsets (like the Philips SHN2500s) are absolutely awful compared to good passive-isolating earphones or good earplugs. In fact, my experience with the SHN2500s was that they added more noise than they removed in most environments.
As far as in-ear passive isolating headphones, I have tried the following:
Sony MDR-EXsomethingorother - Silicone rubber earpieces, with rubber hooks that go over your ears. Extremely uncomfortable and not much isolation. $50
JVC HA-FX33 "Marshmallow" headphones - These STILL don't appear on JVC's website anywhere, and I have only seen them at Wal-Mart stores. $20, decent isolation, pretty comfortable, excellent sound.
Radio Shack "NR-1" noise isolating earphones - Great isolation and comfort, not very good bass response. I keep them around for extreme environments where isolation is more important than bass response and sound quality. $40
I haven't used any of the more expensive in-ear monitors. Shure E2cs and E3cs are popular, as are Westone UM1s and UM2s. The UM1/UM2 appear to use the exact same "Comply" tips as the Rat Shack units, so should have the same isolation and comfort, but hopefully better bass response and sound quality due to better drivers.
For the most extreme enviroments, such as the cabin of a Saab 340 turboprop aircraft, my personal favorite is a combo the Rat Shack in-ears connected to an audio source (laptop or iPod) with the Philips HN100s placed over them. Neither of them alone is sufficient for the interior cabin of a turboprop aircraft.
Targus AWM02US (Score:1)
What are you trying to accomplish? (Score:2)
Do you want the illusion of silence so you can concentrate?
Do you want silence to avoid long term damage of your ears?
Do you want to actually talk with other people?
If you dont want to use earplugs get a real hearing protector, they can be had without, with a speaker inside and with speakers and a microphone for talking to others.
Dont damage your ears for appealing looks (you wont pickup or get laid inside the server room anyway).
I d
Server Room Dress Code (Score:2)
Standard hearing protection is a lot cheaper. You can have more than one set, and when you lose one, you're only out about $25. Since I have a motorcycle, I use moldex ear plugs; they work well, are cheap, and pack easily.
Foam_earplugs++ (Score:4, Informative)
I'm using those headphones (Score:2)
Well, I don't trust active noise cancellation (Score:1, Informative)
nice big protection (Score:1)
The biggest convenience of those things is being able to take them off easily, and not having to scour your ears daily to avoid having earwax all over. (with the little in-ear plugs) And they'll actually protect your hearing, to boot.
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I don't work for them, I'm just a very satisfied customer and user of their products. Second-generation user of their products, actually; I have a set of DC hearing protectors that used to be my father's, that are getting on 40 years old now.
Their list of products are here [davidclark.com]. I have the model 10A, although if you have big ears that stick out, you probably want th
Warning! The Sound Pressure is still there. (Score:2, Interesting)
So while turning up the power on the headset will make the noise you can hear 'go away' the damage is still being done.
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The sound pressure in a loud environment is still there, even if you can't hear it.
That's incorrect. Sound is pressure (or more accurately, pressure fluctuations). ANC works by generating negative pressure waves to cancel out the original pressure wave. By definition (in an ideal environment) this reduces the pressure fluctuation to 0.
In other words, if you can't hear it, it's not damaging your hearing.
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No clue, but I'm intrigued... Do tell!
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Umm, no. The frequencies towards the edge of the human hearing range are the frequencies that we are least sensitive to, so they're not going to cause many problems.
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High frequency sounds are the most damaging to the human ear.
No!
The human hearing range is approximately 20 Hz to 20,000 Hz. Humans are most sensitive to frequencies in the 500-4000 Hz range (which corresponds to speech frequencies). Humans generally are not all that sensitive to frequencies above 10 kHz except at very high SPL's. Furthermore, hearing loss in that range isn't likely to have much effect in day-to-day life since (outside of music) there's not a whole lot interesting.useful sounds (to hu
Active cancellation and hearing damage. (Score:2)
I think the main problem with trying to use noise-cancellation as hearing protection, is that most systems only 'cancel'
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As has been said before already: The above statement is simply utter bullshit. Go learn some elementary physics please, particularly about
how waves interact.
Shure E2c (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.shure.com/PersonalAudio/Products/Earph
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Alternate Suggestion (Score:1)
Now... how do you TALK in a loud server room? (Score:2)
Are there any good headsets that not only cancel out noise, but also allow for a group of 6 people to communicate right next to each other without yelling?
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Er, step out into the hallway or the kitchenette or, maybe call me crazy, but use the conference room?
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There are better earplugs out there, you know (Score:2)
One set that I highly, highly recommend are made by Etymotic Research [etymotic.com], specifically their ER*20 High Fidelity Earplugs [etymotic.com]. They're comfortable, and sound isn't "muffled" by them. That is, going out to a club or a concert, the music sounds
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Several options... (Score:3, Informative)
I've tried several sets, and they certainly work at the noise levels and freqs I've encountered in the DC's and computer labs I've had to work in. Also great for air travel - which is what te technology was first developed for.
The cheapest solution are the foam earplugs. They're also generally more effective than ANC at protecting your hearing. They do, however, reduce ALL the sound, so conversation (already difficult) becomes more difficult. "In the ear" headphones (Shure or Etymotic, for example) can give the same level of hearing protection and provide music. Some of them have an external mic you can use to hear people talking. I went to a set of Ety's for air travel and find I can listen to music clearly at very low set volume while blocking out more external noise than the Bose or PlaneQuite active units did.
The "ugly", but possibly best, solution, is a set of over-the-ear hearing protectors as you see on construction sites or shooting ranges. They look kinda silly, but they have great sound attenuation.
Best for you will depend on your needs.
Foams are dirt cheap. Professional grade over the ear types are $20-$50 depending on how nice you want. ANC starts under $20 and goes well over $300. Same with in the ear headphones. Top end Shure units are something like $500.
Figure out what you want to do, and experiment.
I've used generic Radio Shacks, they work great. (Score:1)
ZEM (Score:1)
One Option (Score:1)
Find the right earplug, get good ANR's. (Score:3, Informative)
When my (now) wife moved in with me, she couldn't sleep with my snoring. ): She tried my earplugs which helped with the noise, but was uncomfortable to wear over a long period of time. The problem is that my earplugs were too thick and dense for her much smaller ears. After we shopped around, we found much more comfortable ear plugs for her, and she is a much happier camper.
I went through a whole bunch of earplugs before I settled on the ones that I buy for myself and the ones that I buy for my wife -- you might need to do some searching of your own to find the right combination of noise suppression and long-wearing comfort.
This is the "small" earplug that I get for my wife: http://www.am-safety.com/category.asp?catalog_nam
This is the "big" earplug that I get for myself for maximum noise suppression; http://www.am-safety.com/category.asp?catalog_nam
If you buy noise cancellers, buy good ones. My wife and I tried Sharper Image's $100 ANR folding headphones because they were on sale at 50% off... They were terrible -- they cut the low-frequency noise effectively, but added so much high-frequency hiss that we hated them. The only problem I have with the Bose QC's is they are a bit too fragile for the way I handle portable devices*.
In extreme cases, the ear-plug + ANR combo is great. This is what we do when we're flying across the pond.
* Assurion hates me, heh...
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Drop some cash ($100-$300) and get custom molded ones. They'll be more comfortable, easier to hear through, and generally better in all ways.
This is what intelligent rock musicians do. The not-so-intelligent ones just go deaf.
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If you don't like having things stuck in your ears, I favor Sennheiser PXC-150 headphones. They have better active noise canceling than the original Bose QuietComfort (I haven't tried the latest rev), and better sound fidelity for music. They'll also fold up and fit in a pocket, unlike the Bose.
Moo (Score:1)
If the noise is some idiot who meanders his way in, a baseball bat is the way to cancel it.
Get out of the server room!!! (Score:2)
That said, one of the points of a server room is that you should almost never be in it! Racking and wiring computers can take a while admittedly, but in our fairly large data centre (~10,000 ft^2), we probably have someone in the data centre maybe an hour a day, and that's spread across all groups (Unix, Intel, telecom, networking, backups, and building maintenance). I
As a private pilot I say NO (Score:2, Informative)
My biggest lesson relevant to this discussion is the ANR headsets are most effective at low frequencies and relatively ineffective at high frequencies. And my experience with server farms is that the noise is mostly high frequency.
The three most significant heatsets I have tried were the Bose Aviation X (excellent but overpriced), the Bo
Noise cancelling headsets are for music, not quiet (Score:2)
If you want your music to sound better when there's ambient noise, noise cancelling headsets are probably great. If you want
Best solution ever. (Score:3, Funny)
No, seriously.
Being deaf ain't half bad sometimes.
--Dave
Etymotic Earphones (Score:2)
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Works pretty well, though people walking by outside can hear it better than I can when I'm on the far side of the room.
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You obviously have never heard of destructive and constructive interference.
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Like any engineering system (Score:2)
But as an experiment I tried using them in my car. They definitely made things quieter... until they ran out of oomph, at which point they emit a loud
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Same goes for sound, if you send out a sound with the same volume and "shape" as the background noise but phase-inverted, you get silence.
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Review: (1) + (-1) = 0
Re:Won't Help w/ Hearing Loss (Score:4, Informative)
If you're trying to cancel a 90dB wave, you generate the same 90dB wave, inverted. This means that every particle that receives a sound vibration in one direction receives an equal sound vibration in the opposite direction, resulting in a net movement of zero.
No vibration of the air means no vibration of the eardrum, which means no sound doing its mechanical damage to the moving pieces in your ear, which means no signal doing its neural damage inside your cochlea. Notably, earplugs do exactly the same thing to a lesser degree: they reduce the total transmission of vibration (that's what reducing the amplitude is, after all) into your ear canal.
In both cases, you haven't changed the total amount of energy reaching your ear, it's just that some portion of the kinetic energy (sound) that can damage your ear is now thermal energy that won't.
(Of course, noise-cancelling headphones have widely varying effectiveness in various regions of the audible sound spectrum, and won't do anything to prevent transmission of vibration from other parts of your body into your inner ear - but then, neither will softies)
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No, that's not what happens. The sound is simply reflected. The speaker membrane acts as a rock-solid wall to the incoming sound waves because the current through the voice coil is just right to prevent the membrane from moving. Or in a different way: behind the speaker, the incoming wave and emitted wave cancel
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Huh. That makes perfect sense. I'd always just assumed you ended up with heat, because whenever it looks
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No, the outgoing wave carries the same energy as the incoming wave was carrying. As the speaker membrane doesn't move, it doesn't do any mechanical work (force times distance). Of course, there will be some losses because of the resistance of the wires, but as far as the interaction with the sound waves is concerned, there is no
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If someone goes to give you a hard shove, and your friend pushes back with the exact same energy at the exact same time (with a slight delay due to reaction time), you don't get shoved.
By your logic the energy of your friend's shove is somehow going to push on you.
Take some basic physics classes.
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Except, in your example, the friend's shove WILL push on you. So will that of the asshole who pushed you in the first place. You still have the possibility of bruises from both of them (if they pushed hard enough). The two pushes will just c
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Who said the friend wouldn't brace himself and lean into the push, thereby avoiding pushing on you?
I'll try again:
If the friend doesn't push back, you feel the energy of the unwanted push. If the friend does push the opponent (while bracing himself so you don't get touched) then
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My best headset has a Noise Reduction Rating (passive) of 23 dB, and an active NRR of 20 dB, totalling about 43 dB of noise reduction. To say that you are still being pounded with 90dB of energy sounds implausable given that waves 180 degre [school-for-champions.com]
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Learned something new today, though. I appreciate the constructive feedback I've gotten.
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Why consumer ANC headphones don't protect... (Score:2)
Given the ease of making consumer models feed back (cup your hands just right over the earphones of a Sharper Image, Panasonic, or even
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I guess that depends on what 'those db levels' are. The original
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It's true that consumer headphones don't have the ability to cancel all of the noise found in a severe industrial environment. They aren't sold for that purpose. That is why the guys on the airport ta
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Tried this on a pair of Bose QC2/3s. Nope. Just sounds like ear drum. (A la holding a shell to your ear as a child). Could not do this, with a variety of methods. The worst I got was when directly and st
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Thanks!
A small addition (Score:2)