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Nintendo Profits Up 72%, Sony's Down 94% 290

Gamasutra is reporting on reporting, with financial information from some of the large gaming companies becoming available this week. Nintendo, who had already previously raised projections, saw their profits up 72% over last year. This dramatic increase was credited largely to the DS, with 10.9 million units sold in the first six months of this year alone. Sony, on the other hand, dropped profits by 94% over this time last year. The company attributes this largely to the battery recall and PS3 start-up costs. From the article: "The company's games division reported a ¥43.5 billion ($366.6m) loss, from a ¥8.2 million ($69,000) profit in 2005, thanks to research and development, manufacturing and marketing costs related to the launch of the PlayStation 3. Sales and operating revenue were down by 20.5 percent to ¥170.3 billion ($1.43bn). A decrease in hardware sales worldwide was attributed to a drop in price for the PlayStation 2 and PSP. Software sales also decreased overall, although individual PSP sales were up on the previous year. Combined profit from the PS2 and PSP business was described as 'relatively unchanged'."
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Nintendo Profits Up 72%, Sony's Down 94%

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  • by gQuigs ( 913879 ) on Thursday October 26, 2006 @02:37PM (#16598962) Homepage
    selling their rootkit...
    • by creimer ( 824291 )
      No, no, no. It's selling the solution for the rootkit that they give away free. The Microsoft model doesn't always work for other companies.
    • by Fozzyuw ( 950608 ) on Thursday October 26, 2006 @03:28PM (#16599950)
      ...and marketing costs related to the launch of the PlayStation 3

      Or poor marketing. If it wasn't for /., I'd probably not have read much about the PS3. Less than a month before launch, I've not seen a TV ad or recall seeing other adds. Or maybe I just don't buy and read game mags. much. I only get my one from EBgames.

      • Less than a month before launch, I've not seen a TV ad or recall seeing other adds. Or maybe I just don't buy and read game mags. much. I only get my one from EBgames.

        Guess it depends on where you are. In downtown Toronto, there are several large billboards for the X360 and the PS3 (the weird ones with the consoles in profile arranged in a "3"). Haven't seen any Nintendo ads now that you mention it though.

      • by PygmySurfer ( 442860 ) on Thursday October 26, 2006 @04:16PM (#16600812)
        I saw a PS3 ad on tv last night, and it was fucking disturbing.

        Basically, there's a little baby sitting on the floor. Then it cuts to a PS3. Back to the baby, who's starting to mumble things, then back to the PS3. Back to the baby again, only now his eyes are glowing and shit, then back to the PS3, which has started to levitate.

        It made me want to hide in the closet, not buy a PS3.
      • by schnell ( 163007 ) <me@schnelEEEl.net minus threevowels> on Thursday October 26, 2006 @06:06PM (#16602268) Homepage
        Or poor marketing. If it wasn't for /., I'd probably not have read much about the PS3. Less than a month before launch, I've not seen a TV ad or recall seeing other ads.

        Actually, any marketing they do at this point is going to be a waste. They already know their initial (and pre-Christmas) shipments will sell out many times over to the people who are already planning on buying one. Spending money trying to get more people to go out to the store and buy something that isn't there is a waste.

        So I agree that they haven't ratcheted up the "buzz-meter" like they could have ... but with such a massive shortage already likely, they would just be throwing away any money they spent. Expect their marketing expenditures to go up significantly next year once there are boxes on the shelves for "casual" purchasers to buy.

        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          by sydsavage ( 453743 )
          Not to mention, if they get somebody all hot and bothered for an expensive console, and that person gets to the store and they only have competitors products in stock, they would basically be paying for advertising for said competitors. Once somebody has committed to another next-gen console, they aren't likely to migrate to the Sony platform anytime in the near future, if ever.

          I think they'd like to keep the casual buyers out of the stores until their product is likely to be there for purchase.
  • by AKAImBatman ( 238306 ) * <akaimbatman.gmail@com> on Thursday October 26, 2006 @02:42PM (#16599062) Homepage Journal
    Nintendo is garnering a great deal of good will (though the one controller in the package is a little bit of a setback) while Sony continues to tick off its customers. With Sony's latest move against Lik-Sang, the movement to boycott Sony is stronger than ever. So even after Sony can no longer claim the PS3 launch as a major cost, their profits are liable to keep dropping. Which will only cause them to make another stupid move (perhaps incarcerate their customers?) which will draw even MORE boycotts. Their profits will drop, and the investors will start getting nervous. And then....

    Well, he're hoping for a bright future with the current lot of executives FIRED.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by EnglishTim ( 9662 )
      Yes! fuck Sony and their litigious ways!

      Let us embrace the beloved Nintendo, who would never stoop so low as to sue Lik-Sang! [eurogamer.net]
      • by AKAImBatman ( 238306 ) * <akaimbatman.gmail@com> on Thursday October 26, 2006 @02:58PM (#16599344) Homepage Journal
        Here we go again.

        1. That Lik-Sang is gone. They sold ModChips which were illegal. (Whether you and I believe they should be or not.) The Lik-Sang that Sony sued is a reputable dealer of imported goods, and the ONLY distributor of popular products like the TopGun LCD Light Gun.

        2. Sony's lawsuit was only a minor issue. Their tactics were what pissed everyone off. They filed a suit against Lik-Sang in nearly every country in the European Union. Such tactics could only have one outcome: Lik-Sang will close down business to avoid having to fight dozens of costly lawsuits.

        So no, I don't particularly care that Nintendo once sued Lik-Sang. I wouldn't even care that Sony sued Lik-Sang to stop the PS3 imports to Europe. I *do* care that Sony forced Lik-Sang out of business thus preventing them from selling hundreds of perfectly legal products for which many of them they are the only distributor.
        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by DrXym ( 126579 )
          Come off it. Lik-Sang sold grey imports and was subject European rules governing such things. Sony was entirely within their rights and the law to bring suit. The specifics of the action and the judgement can be read here [bailii.org].

          Lik-Sang could have lived on if they so chose, selling peripherals, cables, games and suchlike. I half expect that they probably will, and this winding up is all part of some convoluted ploy to get out of paying Sony any money. Expect to see a mysterious selled called Sik-Lang appear som

          • by AKAImBatman ( 238306 ) * <akaimbatman.gmail@com> on Thursday October 26, 2006 @03:39PM (#16600170) Homepage Journal
            Lik-Sang sold grey imports and was subject European rules governing such things.

            Yes, they are subject to those laws. Of course, they never had a chance to defend themselves. I repeat:

            SONY FILED A LAWSUIT IN NEARLY EVERY EUROPEAN UNION MEMBER COUNTRY

            Did you get that? Probably not. Let me say it a few more times:

            SONY FILED A LAWSUIT IN NEARLY EVERY EUROPEAN UNION MEMBER COUNTRY
            SONY FILED A LAWSUIT IN NEARLY EVERY EUROPEAN UNION MEMBER COUNTRY
            SONY FILED A LAWSUIT IN NEARLY EVERY EUROPEAN UNION MEMBER COUNTRY
            SONY FILED A LAWSUIT IN NEARLY EVERY EUROPEAN UNION MEMBER COUNTRY
            SONY FILED A LAWSUIT IN NEARLY EVERY EUROPEAN UNION MEMBER COUNTRY
            SONY FILED A LAWSUIT IN NEARLY EVERY EUROPEAN UNION MEMBER COUNTRY

            Did you get it that time?

            Sony was entirely within their rights and the law to bring suit.

            Were they? Were they REALLY within their rights to FILE A LAWSUIT IN NEARLY EVERY EUROPEAN UNION MEMBER COUNTRY?!? Sony exploited the looseness of the EU consolidation to pull a nasty, underhanded, disgusting legal tactic that was intended to make it too expensive to fight.

            The specifics of the action and the judgement can be read here.


            1. Sony won by default. Lik-Sang didn't show up, they disolved their company due to LAWSUITS IN NEARLY EVERY EUROPEAN UNION MEMBER COUNTRY.

            2. I will repeat, I DO NOT CARE whether Sony's lawsuit would have been upheld or not. Had Sony handled this properly, Lik-Sang may have had to stop the imports of Sony Consoles, plus pay Sony damages. Instead, SONY FILED A LAWSUIT IN NEARLY EVERY EUROPEAN UNION MEMBER COUNTRY IN ORDER TO PUT LIK-SANG OUT OF BUSINESS. Then they had the gall to turn around and claim that they had nothing to do with it [gamesindustry.biz].

            I've got two words to describe my feelings about their long string of abuses: BOYCOTT SONY!!!

            Can I hear an AMEN out there?
            • by DrXym ( 126579 )
              SONY FILED A LAWSUIT IN NEARLY EVERY EUROPEAN UNION MEMBER COUNTRY

              So what? What is the point of bring suit against them in one country if they can continue with impunity selling their goods in another?

              • by MeanderingMind ( 884641 ) on Thursday October 26, 2006 @04:19PM (#16600868) Homepage Journal
                The point is that Sony didn't have to. Sony could easily have said to Lik-Sang, "We're within ourtlegal rights to request that you not import PS3. We ask that you cease and desist. Legal action will not benefit either of us, but it may become necessary if this can not be resolved between the two of us."

                That's a nice, but firm, way of doing things. You're not shaking a legal fist at them, you're giving them the opportunity to talk with you, discuss it, and reach a resolution without expensive court fees.

                This is what Sony did. Sony said, "Lik-Sang, here are a dozen or more simultaneous lawsuits in different languages for the same thing. Good luck hiring a team of competent lawyers in every nation in the EU and flying back and forth like crazy between all the hearings, trials, and judgements. We know you can't afford it."

                I don't know if you've ever seen the Monty Python skit where they use machine guns and rocket launchers to hunt a mosquito, but that is a good analogy for what Sony did here. They didn't have to put Lik-Sang out of business to stop them from importing PS3s to the EU. They could even have come out of this looking like a decent company that regrettably, but not selfishly, protected their interests.

                What they did was unnecessary to stop Lik-Sang from importing. What they did was necessary to put Lik-Sang out of business.
                • by DrXym ( 126579 ) on Thursday October 26, 2006 @04:27PM (#16601004)
                  The point is that Sony didn't have to. Sony could easily have said to Lik-Sang, "We're within ourtlegal rights to request that you not import PS3. We ask that you cease and desist. Legal action will not benefit either of us, but it may become necessary if this can not be resolved between the two of us."

                  And that's exactly what they did do [mcvuk.com]. Over a full year ago. Lik-Sang had over a year to cease and desist. It didn't.

                  • by DrXym ( 126579 )
                    Also, this shows [lik-sang.com] Lik-Sang acknowledging compliance with some aspects a cease and desist concerning an online manual as well as a lawsuit last year. In short, it should have been absolutely no surprise to them that if they continued selling PSPs that Sony would keep coming at them.
            • by Kjella ( 173770 )
              Well, boo fucking hoo. The EU does not have any federal laws, each nation is legally independent (except you have a bloody hard time not implementing a EU directive, but it's still in national law). There's no "EU court" Sony could have gone to. They felt their rights were being violated all over Europe and took action in every territory in the only way possible. Otherwise Lik-Sang could have happily sold away in every other country in the EU, dragging their heels on this "principal" case, which doesn't set
        • And... The courts sided with Sony and decided what Lik-Sang was doing was illegal whether or not you or I think it should be legal. Do you have a point?

          Also Sony didn't force them out of business, they shut themselves down. They haven't paid anything to Sony, didn't pay any legal fees and Sony didn't get a court order to shut them down. Of course, this exactly what they did when Nintendo sued them as well. So Nintendo also "shut them down" back in the day.

          God damn, some of fan bois are hypocrits. If yo
          • by aaronl ( 43811 ) on Thursday October 26, 2006 @03:39PM (#16600162) Homepage
            Sony used a trumped up basis for their lawsuits, basically lying to the judges involved. They claimed that the electrical devices that Lik-Sang was importing were of dubious quality, were untested in the European countries in question, and could cause consumer harm. Sony left out the part where the electronics were tested and certified, and were every bit as tested and safe as the stuff Sony sold, because *they were the same exact product*. Lik-Sang was reselling official Sony gear, and Sony sued them in such a way that Lik-Sang could not afford to fight it without going bankrupt.
            • Sony left out the part where the electronics were tested and certified

              By which country's test laboratory? Underwriters Laboratories offers "UL Listed" service in Canada and the United States, but other countries may not recognize it. I've noticed that my Nintendo DS (for United States) doesn't carry the CE marking [wikipedia.org] required for goods sold in the European Economic Area. In fact, goods designed for one country might fail tests for another country, given that different countries have different standards for m

            • by be-fan ( 61476 )
              That's not lying, that's called "compliance with local regulations". Stuff that is tested and compliant in the US and Canada is not necessarily tested and compliant in Europe. Indeed, EU regulations are usually much more stringent. For example, many companies have had to change their products to be ROHS compliant in order to sell in most EU member nations. Yet, products that are not ROHS compliant can still be sold in the US and Canada with no problems.
            • by Trogre ( 513942 )
              I have a 110VAC - 12VDC transformer here that has all the correct markings indicating that it has been tested to all relevant US electrical safety standards. I also bought a US-NZ pinout adapter so I can plug it into my mains power over here.

              Is it okay if I go and plug it in? Thanks.

              I know if I made products destined for another market with different standards I'd want to make damn sure they were tested and certified to those standards. Especially if it has my name on it in big bright letters and there w
          • by AKAImBatman ( 238306 ) * <akaimbatman.gmail@com> on Thursday October 26, 2006 @03:50PM (#16600344) Homepage Journal
            If you're gonna decry one company for doing something you should at least have the good sense and the balls to decry any other company that did the exact same thing.

            Ok, let's say that your argument holds up for a minute. (It doesn't, but we'll pretend, just for your sake.) Then let me ask you:

            - Is Nintendo Guilty of distributing Rootkits?
            - Is Nintendo Guilty of a massive coverup to hide the fact that they did not recall exploding batteries they knew about?
            - Is Nintendo Guilty of arrogently telling its customers to "get a second job"?
            - Is Nintendo Guilty of trading on their previous name for quality to produce overpriced, sub-standard electronics?
            - Is Nintendo Guilty of giving consumers with defective LCD screens a "will not replace" runaround?
            - Is Nintendo Guilty of forcing new firmware upgrades on existing equipment just to lock out the homebrew community?
            - Is Nintendo Guilty of ignoring their warranty of fitness on CCD parts they produced?

            I could go on and on and on about absuses in recent history that Sony is guilty of. Are you going to tell me that I should boycott Nintendo over the one issue when I'm boycotting Sony for a long string of abuses, with this latest one being the trigger that has pushed me over the edge?

            That's inconsistency. Why shouldn't Nintendo get at least part of the slack that Sony has had to date?
            ------------
            BOYCOTT SONY!!!
      • by SyncNine ( 532248 ) on Thursday October 26, 2006 @03:13PM (#16599602)
        From YFL (your f*ing link):

        "Hong Kong based Lik-Sang, a mail order company which distributes videogame software and hardware worldwide, has lost a crucial court case brought by Nintendo over the sale of devices which could copy Game Boy software."

        That's right. OH GNOHS, Nintendo stopped Lik-Sang from selling devices MADE SOLELY TO PIRATE THEIR SOFTWARE (and run homebrew). Sony, on the other hand, has stopped Lik-Sang from selling their *FIRST PARTY* CONSOLES, SOFTWARE, and ACCESSORIES to other markets. These are not anywhere NEAR the same thing, at all.

        Next time, read your article before you spam us with it.
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Shadarr ( 11622 )
      Nintendo is garnering a great deal of good will (though the one controller in the package is a little bit of a setback)
      Huh? When was the last time any console shipped with a second controller in the box? SNES? The PS2 and Gamecube certainly didn't.
      • When was the last time any console shipped with a second controller in the box?

        The Wii is advertised as a family/multiplayer system. As a result, consumers were hoping for either an extra controller or (at least) affordable controllers. Consumers got neither out of Nintendo. It hasn't generated any ill-will toward Nintendo (at least, none that I'm aware of), but it did cool some of the excitement about the system. I'd imagine that some of the consumers will wait on their Wii purchase for a little while long

    • Nintendo is garnering a great deal of good will (though the one controller in the package is a little bit of a setback) while Sony continues to tick off its customers.

      I hate to break it to you, but Sony's financial performance most likely has very little to do with customer ill-will. First, in 2005 no next-gen consoles were available so the PS2 was competing against its traditional foes the Xbox and GC. As of Q3 of 06 the 360 has been out for quite a while and the PS2 is at the end of its life, producing
    • The average gamer doesn't know who or what Lik-Sang does. Neither do they know about the rootkit fiasco. They may have heard about the laptop battery recall, but they may think "that's not games". Besides, companies nowadays get away with recalls w/o affecting their image too much.

      The biggest thing your average gamer is going to notice, though, is simply the price and available of the console. First of all, it's expensive. And second, even if they wanted it, chances are they can't get it. But with the short
    • by Hawkxor ( 693408 )
      Yet sony stock (which I own) is up nearly 4% today on strong fundamentals behind the earnings announcements (the losses were do to things like the ps3 delays and battery recalls and were already predicted... today's announcements were actually favorable).
  • by MBraynard ( 653724 ) on Thursday October 26, 2006 @02:45PM (#16599126) Journal
    This is not really a bad thing for Sony and Americans are looking at it much differently than the way a Japanese investor does.

    Over there, they take a longer term view and do not live and die by the quarter like they do here in the US. This is partially cultural. It's not necessarily a good thing but it is a factually true thing. They are more forgiving for this kind of financial result than investors in the US are.

    However, another, and not necessarily helpful reason for this patient view is that the equity owners who normally would jump ship are often also the debt holders of the corporation. This is almost unheard of here in the US and the result in Japan is that corporations are more likely to ignore long term problems with a corporation because the best solution (dumping shares) would hurt their debt value so they tend to stay the course and hope for the best.

    • by ranton ( 36917 )
      Yes but plenty of American investors own Sony stock. I am sure Sony also has relationship with other companies that have American stockholders. That means that in today's market Sony might have more trouble convincing their investors to stay the course. Once the stock starts to drop Sony will probably have a hard time recovering, expecially since a large amount of their actual cash reserves is going into the PS3.

      --
    • by ZombieRoboNinja ( 905329 ) on Thursday October 26, 2006 @04:26PM (#16600980)
      Yeah, good thing we don't have a GLOBAL ECONOMY, right? Because if we did, we might have Americans investing in Japanese multinationals!
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by MBraynard ( 653724 )
        Sony is unique among Japanese corporations in the percent of it's equity held by foreigners - still, 60% is held by Japanese institutions/individual investors.
    • by be-fan ( 61476 )
      This is a good point, and one I think a lot of Slashdotters are missing. Sony took losses in order to launch the PS2 as well. And they made an assload of money on it over the last six years. Nintendo has adopted an opposite approach --- they consistently make a profit, and take less risk, but they make less money overall. Both approaches are valid ones.

      The real news will come three or four years from now. If Sony hasn't made a net profit on the PS3 by then, then its fair to deride them for it. Until then, i
  • by TCQuad ( 537187 ) on Thursday October 26, 2006 @02:45PM (#16599132)
    Sony profits went from 28.4 billion yen last year this quarter to 1.7 billion yen. The battery recall cost 51 billion yen. (via Yahoo!) [yahoo.com] So, had the battery recall not happened, Sony's profits could have increased (up to 85%, depending on the accounting magic with the recall) even given the development costs for the PS3.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by crazyjeremy ( 857410 ) *
      There's a link... Nintendo didn't sell faulty batteries. Sony did. Sony's profits are down 94% in part because they sold faulty batteries. It doesn't matter what Sony would've/could've done. The link is they both are selling a gaming system. Sony's sells for $500 - $600 and Nintendo sells for $250. I think it would be better to buy a $250 unit from a profitable company than a $500 unit from a failing one. Sony's recent business history proves they are making some bad decisions from the top down ( *cough* ro
      • by UbuntuDupe ( 970646 ) on Thursday October 26, 2006 @03:30PM (#16599980) Journal
        think it would be better to buy a $250 unit from a profitable company than a $500 unit from a failing one.

        This would be a good time to remind everyone that when GM tries to get its sales going again through offering that great "10 year, 100,000 mile warranty", you need to remind yourself that that really means, "10 year, 100,000 mile, or until we go bankrupt warranty".
        • The idea that a company like GM woudl go bankrupt in any kind of reasonable timeframe is pretty ridiculous.

          GM is not an Enron or Worldcom, with billions of billions of net worth tied up in "IP" and "market rights" (aka fake money). Gm's value is largely badsed on real world assets. They have a huge number of plants, huge real estate holdings, global infrastructure. If they really got the screws turned on them they could just shut down 50% of the company, focus on a nieche US-only market, and they'd still be
          • If GM doesn't get it's act together soon, it will be facing a buyout by Toyota or Honda, sure... but bankrupcy is far far off.

            Damn!!

            I'm still mad about the crappy 80s/90s GM cars I had to put up with.
      • There obviously aren't any Slashdot members who can balance a checkbook. You're comparing apples and oranges. Sony sells a LOT more things that impact their bottom line much more than the PS2/PS3. Nintendo is a one-trick pony. Sony is well-diversified. Completely different companies.
        • Sony IS well diversified. They are using bad business methods in several of their product lines. Search slashdot for Sony. How many stories are good ones?
          • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

            by NineNine ( 235196 )
            Search slashdot for Sony. How many stories are good ones?

            Again. Slashdot members tend to be a group consisting of some of the most mis-informed people on the planet when it comes to business and money. Slashdot is an indicator of the well-being of Sony no more than the contents of a box of Captain Crunch cereal is an indicator of the socio-political climate in the Middle East.
            • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

              by Nerdfest ( 867930 )
              The parent is absolutely correct. At a bare minimum, the socio-political climate in the Middle East must be represented by a breakfast cereal that has nuts in it.
      • And here we have a textbook example of console fanboy groupthink. I do not mean to pick on you specifically crazyjeremy, but your post has every element in it.

        Let me pull a chunk from TFA:

        The company's group net profit for the quarter was ¥1.7 billion ($14.3m), down from ¥28.5 billion ($240.2m) at the same time last year. The company lost ¥51 billion ($429.9m) alone on the recall of 9.6 million batteries. The recall prevented the company from enjoying any benefit from a 8 percent rise in sa

        • It's a deal
          I understand your points quite well. I'm not a Nintendo Fanboy though. I would just rather give my money to Nintendo because of Sony's recent business decisions. I may not represent the majority of /. (or the rest of earth) but I categorically avoid companies that have been found to do bad business with their customers. The rootkit incident alone was enough for me to avoid Sony across the board. The arguable QA which let the questionable batteries out to market is another misstep. In a way thou
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by be-fan ( 61476 )
        Can we add a reality-check here?

        First, Sony isn't failing. Sony made way more profit than Nintendo for much of the last six years. Was Nintendo failing when the PS2 was reaping record profits for Sony, and the Gamecube was stagnating? Of course not. Companies go through cycles, and some companies take more risk, and thus go through bigger cycles than others.

        You're criticizing Sony for bad decision making "from the top down", but do you realize that the rootkit had nothing to do with top Sony management? It
    • From the article: "The company's games division reported a ¥43.5 billion ($366.6m) loss, from a ¥8.2 million ($69,000) profit in 2005,"
    • Sony income from electronics was 8 billion yen. This is the unit that lost 51 billion yen due to the battery recall, with a revenue of 1.4 trillion. The previous year - same quarter, they did 28.1 billion, but with 1.2 trillion in revenue. I will swag that to an operating margin of about 2% for second quarter, 2005. In comparison, Microsoft did a margin of 28% last year with revenues of 44 billion USD (about 5.2 trillion yen) for the whole year. IBM did 8.7%. Google did 25%. Now bear with me, I am swagging

  • by sdaemon ( 25357 ) on Thursday October 26, 2006 @02:47PM (#16599170)
    http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=212 [vgcats.com]

    Not much more really needs to be said :)
  • Why should I care? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by thatguywhoiam ( 524290 ) on Thursday October 26, 2006 @02:53PM (#16599258)
    Seriously. From a 'gamer' (ugh) perspective, I could give a flying fuck about how well these entities are doing financially. Call me when one of them is about to fold.

    (I'm actually surprised Sony hasn't received the Apple treatment - "Beleaguered Sony")

    I care that they both have consoles launching and I am interested in trying both. I am interested in the launch lineup. I'm interested in specs. Controllers. Formats. But quarterly reports, do we really care that much?

    Anyways, I hope Sony learns from their mistakes and improves. I will vote with my dollars accordingly until they stop behaving badly. I don't want them to "die", as some posters have mentioned; besides being exceedingly unlikely, Sony has made great things in the past. It would be nice to see a return to form, specifically for SCE and Sony Electronics. The media arms I have no use for.

    • by hudsonhawk ( 148194 ) on Thursday October 26, 2006 @03:58PM (#16600512)
      Seriously though, at some point gaming became like sports teams and pickup trucks.

      I half expect to start seeing 360 faceplates that say "Sony Sucks" and DS stickers that show Calvin pissing on a PSP. Gamers seem to be so caught up in the rhetoric these days that it's getting harder and harder to find sites where people are actually discussing... what are those things called.... oh yeah, games.
      • I half expect to start seeing 360 faceplates that say "Sony Sucks" and DS stickers that show Calvin pissing on a PSP. Gamers seem to be so caught up in the rhetoric these days that it's getting harder and harder to find sites where people are actually discussing... what are those things called.... oh yeah, games.

        No kidding. Its rampant. Tribal identity and all that, I guess. I had a PS2, and I spent many a happy hour in front of that thing, but when Nintendo would release a nice GameCube game my first tho

      • DS stickers that show Calvin pissing on a PSP

        Wii know what you're talking about [wiisworld.com].

        Gamers seem to be so caught up in the rhetoric these days that it's getting harder and harder to find sites where people are actually discussing... what are those things called.... oh yeah, games.

        But which platform allows for homemade games, such as games by developers looking to demonstrate their skills in order to get a job at a game development studio?

  • Karma (Score:4, Funny)

    by OSS_ilation ( 922367 ) on Thursday October 26, 2006 @02:59PM (#16599362)
    DRM Rootkit Lik Sang Arrogance Emotion Engine Massive Damage
  • One thing to keep in mind is that Sony doesn't quite have the negative image in the rest of the world that it's acquired in the US. And it's not necessarily a view held by the average person, but specifically within the gaming community and even more specifically within sites like Slashdot.

    I know people who still like the Sony brand and don't know or care about Sony's problems. Things like DRM mean absolutely nothing to them because as far as they're concerned it isn't going to change anything.

    I also know g
  • I guess the fire sale on used laptop batteries isn't helping Sony that much.
  • WTF? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Deluxe_247 ( 743837 )
    94% down eh? Ouch.

    But don't worry - Sony will laugh all the way to the bank when you ... hmm how did he put it at E3? ... buy PS3s "because."

    In all seriousness it's expected for their profits to be in the gutter with the development of the next gen console... the real surprise here is that Nintendo's profits are UP when they have been developing the Wii - sure it's a less intensive system that is probably lower in price, but a 'next gen' console should still suck up a bit of profits.

    Im not sure where commu
    • by be-fan ( 61476 )
      the real surprise here is that Nintendo's profits are UP when they have been developing the Wii - sure it's a less intensive system that is probably lower in price, but a 'next gen' console should still suck up a bit of profits.

      The Wii isn't a new console, it's a refresh of the Gamecube hardware. As such, its development cost is very small compared to the billion dollar+ development costs of the PS3.
  • although, I have to admit, I'm glad I sold my 400 shares of Sony in March 2006 and bought 500 shares of Nintendo (NTDOY.PK) at the same time.

    People fail to remember that tech always goes thru revisions. Sometimes the player one year (IBM) loses to an upstart (MSFT) and they lose to another upstart (RHAT) who get their shorts handed to them by yet another former big player (ORCL).
  • by jchenx ( 267053 ) on Thursday October 26, 2006 @05:50PM (#16602064) Journal
    Microsoft just posted earnings estimates. There's an article about it here: http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=1424 0 [gamedaily.com]

    Here's a snippet from the article:
    Microsoft today announced its first quarter results for the period ended September 30, revealing revenue of $10.81 billion (up 11 percent) and net income of $3.48 billion (up from $3.14 billion last year). More importantly from a gaming perspective, Microsoft revealed that it's now achieved worldwide Xbox 360 sales of 6 million units. The company previously mentioned that it had sold 5 million through June and expects to sell 10 million by the end of 2006.

    The company's Entertainment and Devices division, formerly the Home and Entertainment unit, experienced 70 percent revenue growth year-over-year "driven by demand for Xbox 360 consoles, software, peripherals, and Xbox Live." The division posted $1.03 billion in revenue and an operating loss of $96 million, slightly narrowed from last year's loss of $173 million during the same period.

    Obviously MS should get a nice sales boost of the 360 over the holiday season, especially from gamers who aren't able to get their hands on the extremely limited PS3. It'll be especially important to see how Japanese sales go, thanks to the new Blue Dragon bundle.
  • by Builder ( 103701 ) on Friday October 27, 2006 @03:50AM (#16606316)
    What bugs me most about this whole mess with Lik-sang is that it shows how broken globalisation is.

    Companies have the right to ship my job to a country where they can get stuff done cheaper. But I don't have a right to buy their products from a country where they are cheaper.

    We've seen this with Levis and Tesco and with the BPI and CDWOW. Why can't I ALSO benefit from globalisation ?

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