Protesting Apple's DRM 148
tedet writes "On the heels of the recent DRM news from Bruce Perens, the UK Parliament, and the Norwegian Omsbudman, Defective By Design is planning a flash protest this coming Saturday targeting Apple Stores throughout the United States. Defective by Design is targeting Apple because '[a]s the largest distributor of DRM infected technology, Apple has set a new low in the mistreatment of our freedoms.' We can expect more hazmat suits, and they created some art specific to this action. Hopefully these direct actions by Defective by Design will get the U.S. up-to-speed with its continental counterparts." (Of course, some people are happy with Apple's DRM as a compromise which helped legitimize online music sales.)
Flash Protest? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Flash Protest? (Score:5, Funny)
Why this is Dumb (Score:2, Insightful)
No major label will sell drm-free music. Emusic, the number 2 online store sells mostly drm-free indie label and back catalog stuff b/c no major label will allow them to sell the next Britney Spears album without some alleged protection.. And- if they did allow this, it would cost a pretty penny.
Apple just happens t
Yes it's DRM, but... (Score:5, Insightful)
Absolutely agree... (Score:4, Insightful)
Do I wish Apple's DRM were better and less restrictive - you betcha! The price per song should be lower and with public disclosure of how much each party receives from each sale. The bitrate should also be higher to handle some more complex pieces of music. The number of CD burn times for each song should also be increased, not decreased. Video content should be able to be burned onto a standard and/or HD/BD DVD.
Too bad emusic cannot charge on per song basis; non-DRMed content is great (subscriptions suck).
Re: (Score:2)
Re:Absolutely agree... (Score:2)
"The price per song should be lower and with public disclosure of how much each party receives from each sale."
That's going to be tricky, because it gets into myriad contracts the label has with performers, producers, and other people involved in production. Contracts that, I bet, none of them necessarily want exposed in that kind of detail.
iTunes doesn't control how much money the artist gets, that would depend on their contract, and would vary depending on, for instance, whether they wrote the songs or no
Re:Yes it's DRM, but... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Yes it's DRM, but... (Score:1)
Least of all evils? (Score:3, Insightful)
If the protests are to be truly effective, then they need to recognize that RIAA will always be as draconian as they possibly can. Thus, the protests should be focused to
Re:Least of all evils? (Score:2)
So, I think they don't really care that they're not attacking the the worst offenders. They just want the attention, and they're going to get it.
Re:Yes it's DRM, but... (Score:2, Insightful)
What the grandparent asks is a little like "Shouldn't the police be going after the crack dealers producing the expensive, crappy crack noone wants, rather then the dealers with the pure, cheap crack?"
(to extend the always brilliant DRM vendors / drug pusher analogy)
Re:Yes it's DRM, but... (Score:2)
My issues with iTunes DRM is because I cannot buy music from iTunes and play it on my computer, which runs Linux. Sure, I could run it with wine, but appearently Apple likes to try to break wine compatibility in iTunes patches. Sorry, I feel that DRM that could randomly make all my paid for music *unplayable* because some company decides they don't like my software isn't reas
Re:Yes it's DRM, but... (Score:3, Insightful)
Burn it to CD, and re-rip it as MP3. iTunes lets you do that.
Apple is not obligated to satisfy every possible use case of every possible user. iTunes doesn't support linux. It also doesn't run on Windows-based cell phones. The iTunes music store doesn't support Linux users. it also doesn't support the far more numerous population of music listeners without computers or iPods.
They have a business
Re:Yes it's DRM, but... (Score:2)
First I'd have to get it. iTunes doesn't run on my computer, remember?
I'm not saying they should be a charity. I'm saying I am not their customer because they refuse to sell to me. They could easily sell to me if they got rid of their DRM and allowed me to pay for and download their songs from a website, but they're afaid I might then, which I'm perfectly able to do anyways. DRM is dumb.
Re:Yes it's DRM, but... (Score:2)
I have a job, and I could easily afford a Mac. However, I don't, because I don't want one. I've used Mac OSX, and it does not fit my style and unlike Linux, I cannot make it fit my style because it completely uncustomizable. I would have to give up all my programs (well, not Firefox) and Mac does not have replacements I'd be happy to use. I'd have
Re:Yes it's DRM, but... (Score:2)
Unobtrusive, user-friendly DRM lulls consumers into thinking that DRM is acceptable. It's not.
Re:Yes it's DRM, but... (Score:2)
Re:Yes it's DRM, but... (Score:3, Insightful)
Baby steps (Score:2)
Some people are worried about DRM and Trusted Computing. Not because of what it is today but of what it might become in the future.
Examine your own words. You claim that Apples DRM is the obstrusive and user UN-friendly. Oh not as bad as others but what kind of recommondation is that? Sniffing pee ain't as bad as sniffing pure amonia. Do you want to
Re:Baby steps (Score:2)
Same thing for OSs if OS X gets over DRMed I'll reformat mt HD and install Ubuntu for PPC. Thankfully Dapper Drake is usable by ordinary non geek god human beings. I'm just grateful there are options now if DRM gets too onerous/
Well, if that is allowed ofcourse (Score:2)
Most products you buy you are free to use them in anyway you see fit. With game consoles this is no longer the case. Wonder what will be next?
Apple sure didn't seem to like people hacking their OS to run on other hardware nor for that matter people hacking their hardware to run other OS'es.
Just because today y
Re:Well, if that is allowed ofcourse (Score:2)
Re:Well, if that is allowed ofcourse (Score:2)
Re:Yes it's DRM, but... (Score:2)
Yes, it's Murder, but (Score:1)
Re:Yes it's DRM, but... (Score:5, Insightful)
To a point, yes, actually. DRM is hated so much by many people because it makes software very difficult to use even when you're not doing anything that would violate anyone's rights. If someone could offer a mystical, magical DRM solution that never so much as made a peep unless the user was actually (and let's say blatantly) violating copyright and not protected by fair use exemptions, etc. etc. and it was 100% accurate, the only people who would care would be those who are breaking the copyright law (as to the validity/fairness of those laws, I'll leave that for another time...) because everyone else would not even know the DRM software was there... And that's almost what Apple's DRM software does. I've only been aware of it once and that was when I had made a few too many copies of one of my playlists that contained iTMS purchased songs (which I was, in fact, backing up (mmm hmm)).
Now where Apple's DRM scheme fails the usability metric is in that music protected by it is unusable with other music players/systems -- that's a huge crimp in usability but at the moment it's mitigated by the fact that Apple makes the best (IMHO) portable players out there and they dominate the market so in practical terms, a minority of people are affected by this. Nevertheless, as I said, this does make Apple's DRM scheme fail my usability test and therefore it's short of that perfect ideal, of course.
Re:Yes it's DRM, but... (Score:1)
"If someone could offer
Re:Yes it's DRM, but... (Score:2)
Given that it's the easiest (if not only) DRM method to burn non-encumbered CDs from, it's not like it completely fails. It just hits the 'Annoyingly Inconvenient' mark instead of 'Blatantly Impossible' that most do.
I'll never understand the 'locked-in' complaint. Music has always been locked into the media - it's not exactly easy to play an 8-track on a record player,
Re:Yes it's DRM, but... (Score:2)
Re:Yes it's DRM, but... (Score:2)
Here is an wikipedia article to start you of [wikipedia.org], and behold! Apple and the iPod is even mentioned in it.
To clarify this case of lock-in. If Apple licensed their DRM format to other companys, to set up their own music stores and make their own players then there would be no lockin from Apples part.
If I buy 1000 songs on iTunes as it is now I can't buy another brand of portable player because my music w
Re:Yes it's DRM, but... (Score:2)
And yes, I'm exaggerating to over-amplify m
It makes NO sense to target Apple... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:It makes NO sense to target Apple... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:It makes NO sense to target Apple... (Score:2, Insightful)
Pipe dream (Score:1, Insightful)
Yes, a bunch of random people in hazmat suits passsing out flyers is really going to make a HUGE difference. Really!
In the defense of Apple. (Score:5, Interesting)
Still its not like its hard to circumvent the DRM in iTunes. The easiest to understand for layman is to burn to music CD and rip back to MP3.
On the point of legally purchased. You enter a contract with Apple when you purchase a protected track. You don't have to buy it from them if you don't agree to their terms. Go buy the CD. DRM rules are not applied to items you RIP yourself as the agreement of that purchase did not involve Apple.
Now, should Apple decide to apply DRM rules to items not purchased through them, specifically CDs you own, then I can see a real reason to cry about it. My first action would be to not upgrade to such a version of iTunes and forever leave the service. My previously purchased music will still work fine, Apple will just be out a lot of customers until they change their tune.
As for the other services, you are not required to use them either. Don't like the idea of a subscription, then fine don't use one but why in the hell must you bitch about products you won't use because you don't like them? Do you just have to be a victim?
Re:In the defense of Apple. (Score:2)
Doesn't Windows Media Player do something like this by default? I don't really use the program, but I know there's the checkbox to "Acquire licenses for music I rip myself" or something like that that's enabled by default. Knowing MS, I've always interpreted it as "Apply DRM to my own music so I don't accidentally let someone else have it." Or am I totall
Re:In the defense of Apple. (Score:2)
Actually, it's "Automatically acquire licences for protected content". It applies to content that you somehow obtain that's protected (ie already DRMed), not to music you rip yourself.
The CD ripping functionality in WMP defaults to unprotected, fixed-rate WMA, with options (in WMP 10) for VBR WMA, lossless WMA and mp3. I've no idea how they compare, as
Re:In the defense of Apple. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:In the defense of Apple. (Score:2)
Many different drugs are highly illegal, and their production and physical nature makes distributing much more complicated than digital files. Yet there's still plenty of market for them, because the demand is there.
Wherever there is demand, capitali
Re:In the defense of Apple. (Score:1)
I, too, think that the music is overpriced but still I'm willing to pay for the tunes I really want to listen to. I'd just like to be able to listen to the purchased music on all my devices, without paying for each new format invented. If I have to pay for each format/device then I'd rather choose to stop listening to new artists alltogether.
For people like me all-DRM world is an end to our already limited freedoms. Being technically able to download mp3s from the In
A telling sign... (Score:1)
I always use
On an Apple post. On the front page. With all kinds of stories around and above it actually garnering attention.
Its not that this
Re:In the defense of Apple. (Score:2)
That doesn't hold any water with me. If I buy the songs I should be able to burn them in any order I want, as many times as I want. I also shouldn't have to lose quality to play them on a device that doesn't support FairPlay, but does support mp4 audio.
iTMS users actually DO license music (Score:2)
No, there's a difference. The "music industry" sure wants people to believe that they license music when they buy a CD, but they're just plain wrong and they don't have the evidence to back it up, because licensing simply does not o
Re:iTMS users actually DO license music (Score:2)
Re:iTMS users actually DO license music (Score:2)
Re:In the defense of Apple. (Score:2)
So what exactly is keeping you from creating a new playlist with the same songs in the same order? You blind hatred for Apple?
Re:In the defense of Apple. (Score:2)
Re:In the defense of Apple. (Score:2)
This is why Apple's DRM is the most insidious. It exacts a lot of control, but is fairly easy to get by. It gets people used to the idea of DRM, and at the same time lulls them into complacency about DRM ("It's not so bad!"). It's obvious to someone circumventing it like you propose that it's a loophole - there are a few big ones, and they're easy to find.
But in a
Re:In the defense of Apple. (Score:2)
FWIW, I agree with what you say that people choose to ent
apple not that bad (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:apple not that bad (Score:1)
I'm not sure what you mean. Neither than RIAA or MPAA come up with DRM systems. I can tell you that at least with the RIAA, their member companies do have to evaluate and approve a DRM system before they'll let you sell music, but they themselves do not describe it. Certainly, the major record labels have to have approved of Apple's DRM just the same as any others'.
In summary, members of the RIAA do not "come up w
Eheh (Score:2)
Compared to what the RIAA/MPAA want to do to you Apple stuff is great. Right?
DRM is an absolute. iTunes DRM is not complete. Steve Jobs realized that for now this is the maximum he could get away with. Question is, is Steve Jobs going to lessen the DRM as the RIAA/MPAA smartens up OR is he going to increase the DRM as the public gets used to it.
What do you think? To invoke godwin, the consumer is poland during WW2. It doesn't re
I like Apple's DRM (Score:2)
what's their solution? (Score:2, Interesting)
from TFA:
"DRM gives them that power over you. Your devices will have to do their bidding. That is what DRM is about, taking the control away from you, and giving it to Big Media and companies like Apple. The hardware and software they sell you will enforce their rules, by removing your rights. As the largest distributor of DRM infected technol
Re:what's their solution? (Score:2)
http://www.emusic.com/ [emusic.com]
Non-DRMed VBR MP3s.
Re:what's their solution? (Score:1)
Look, I realize that in theory if you cancel before your trial period is up you don't get charged, and that you don't *
Re:what's their solution? (Score:2)
I'd even hesitate... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:I'd even hesitate... (Score:1)
There are two problems with this solution:
1. It sounds bad
2. It takes too much time.
Seriously, 128Kbps is bad enough as it is. To burn it and then reimport it is absolute murder. Of course, modern audio "engineering" and radio leaves very little detail worth preserving.
Re:I'd even hesitate... (Score:1)
Why blame Apple? (Score:1, Insightful)
But nobody is forcing people to use the iTMS. If you don't like it, then just buy the CD which can be ripped and used in any device.
This is misdirected (Score:5, Insightful)
Go protest the RIAA membership companies, oh wait then you'd have to deal with the real problem. Nevermind.
Re:This is both correctly directed and misdirected (Score:1)
One therefor aims one's protests toward the people who are the agents for the DRM'd music, and whose profits are directly affected by public picketing.
--dave
Re:This is misdirected (Score:2)
TOTALLY. Apple pushed really hard for a liberal license, and got it. And now the world has embraced this liberal license.
IF they want to bitch, they should bitch to the RIAA.
I think this is really about people wanting to steal content and do so conveniently. Its not that hard to steal content, and Apple is at best providing an inconvenience to it.
Talk about misguided, but then, its european socialists who think that profit is evil, so what can you expect?
Re:This is misdirected (Score:2)
Please stop spreading this FUD. It has nothing to do with stealing content. I have bought DRM'd music from Apple. I have also ripped my music collection to AAC.
I have a mobile telephone and a palmtop, both of which can play AACs. I can play the 90% or so of my music collection that I ripped from CD on either, but not the few
Re: This is misdirected (Score:2)
And maybe that Apple might be grateful for the protest, as it'd give them more leverage next time they're negotiation with the RIAA?
I've posted before [kuro5hin.org] that ultimately, no form of DRM can be reasonable. Apple's may be more lenient than most, for which kudos to them. But it's still going to prevent all sorts of fair, licensed and/or legal us
someone needs to wake up and smell the money trail (Score:1, Interesting)
Is it possible apple is in a catch 22 here, they want to sell non DRM'ed stuff but the content cartels wouldn't dare let them ?
What is the point? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:What is the point? (Score:2)
You sir, have no idea what protest [time.com] means.
Note that I am not likening this flash protest with Rosa Parks - just pointing out the absurdity of your statement.
If you don't like iTunes DRM, then don't use it.
DRM is coming, better to fight it early, raise the profile of what DRM means & attack its current most visible form.
Re:What is the point? (Score:2)
Nice link to a story about the 1955 Montgomery Bus Boycott. Did you mean to imply that an iTunes boycott as I suggested, is not a protest?
Re:What is the point? (Score:2)
I think it was actually a story about someone protesting about the terms of a service they were using.
Re:What is the point? (Score:2)
Yes, that's a good idea. But if you care about the issue and other people, rather than just yourself, then there's an even better way to protest. It's called "voting with your mouth" where your try to make the non-voters and default-voters aware of the issue, so that they'll vote with you.
Or as I said in another post, it's ok for someone who is not a cracksmoker, to try to persuade other people to refrain from smoking crack.
Hypocrites (Score:3, Interesting)
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That's right, there are restrictions to using the contents of their website!!! Doesn't matter how "friendly" these restrictions are, the very fact that there are restrictions is EVIL! Heck, I can't even modify their copyright block, that's right, there is content on their site that I can't modify! I suggest they send some guys in hazmat suits over to their own offices and start the cleanup pronto.
Re:Hypocrites (Score:2)
I think you miss the point. The point is not to abolish all rights to one's own work; it is to prevent the ado
Re:Hypocrites (Score:2)
Very stupid (Score:5, Interesting)
The problem is that Apple's unobtrusive approach to DRM is, by itself, the best argument for DRM one is likely to find, so by bringing this to everyone's attention the FSF is only hurting their own case. Those people who see that protest are going to walk away with that message "oh, so DRM is that thing that the iPod has. well the iPod's never kept me from doing anything I want to do, so I guess that means DRM isn't that bad". Then the next time they see something about an unambiguous abuse of DRM, the drm==ipod association the FSF created in their mind will rear up and they'll go "oh, but drm is just that thing the ipod has. surely this isn't that bad."
I was hoping the FSF would finally be the one to force the DRM problem into the consciousness of "normal america" but it's clear that no, the FSF still has no idea how people's minds work. I guess we can write this protest campaign off as ineffectual from here on out, and the best we can hope for is that it will manage to avoid hurting the digital freedom cause.
Why the heck isn't the FSF using their time protesting Apple to complain about and call attention to Apple's use of TPM/TCPA/Palladium [google.com] in the new macs? That's:
Re:Very stupid (Score:2)
I was hoping the FSF would finally be the one to force the DRM problem into the consciousness of "normal america" but it's clear that no, the FSF still has no idea how people's minds work. I guess we can write this protest campaign off as ineffectual from here on out, and the best we can hope for is that it will manage to avoid hurting the digital freedom cause.
I'm a bit torn on this issue. I think they did choose a good target for publicizing DRM. Everyone knows what an iPod is and anyone can understand
Re:Very stupid (Score:2)
Protest DVDs and PS2 games! (Score:3, Insightful)
If you have a problem with Apple DRM... (Score:2)
Protesting that a company selling a product that you are at liberty to buy (or not) is a restriction of your freedom has got to be just about the most bizarre thing I've heard since, well, at least 6am this morning.
The protest isn't aimed at changing Apple's mind. (Score:2)
Buying other DRM products is a stupid way of "getting back at Apple".
Re:If you have a problem with Apple DRM... (Score:2)
We're sending a message to consumers not to Apple (Score:1, Informative)
To answer the poster who said that this protest is misdirected and that it should be targetting the RIAA, if the RIAA had stores set up in malls that gather lots of foot traffic
Re:We're sending a message to consumers not to App (Score:2)
In other words, you are acting like a corporate whore. You don't care about the real issues, you just care about getting attention, and the most foot traffic. Nice one.
What rights am I giving up? (Score:2)
If I buy a song from the iTMS and burn it to an audio CD, I can do anything with it I could do with the same song bought on an audio CD from the nearest music store.
What rights am I giving up?
It's not like I bought a DVD from France and wanted to play it on my DVD player in the US.
if the RIAA had stores set up in malls that gather lots of foot traffic we might be targetting them as well.
Every books
Re:What rights am I giving up? (Score:2)
The EULA can't override traditional fair use.
Besides, is this really the process that you want to go through in order to make a personal backup copy of your music? Is this what you would expect the average consumer to go through?
Absolutely. When even "honor system" DRM makes users jump through hoops like this to do normal and expected operations, that makes DRM as a whole
Infected? (Score:2)
Lying doesn't help, either. (Score:3, Informative)
They claimed that Apple limits the number of copies you can make of a song. That's not true, you can burn as many copies of a song as you want. You just have to make a new playlist now and then (which is pretty easy, it's about 3 clicks and a drag).
They claimed that Apple was the biggest distributor of DRM in the world. Not even close. Microsoft beats them hollow, and t
Backfire of the Bunnysuit (Score:2)
In fact that would be pretty hilarious, find some of the protesters outside the store and slap them on the back to let them know what a good job they are doing... with an Intel Inside sticker in hand.
Life sure is good. (Score:1)
Apple DRM sucks! (Score:2)
I bought some tracks from the iTMS. Before a trip to South Africa, I dumped them to my laptop because I figured my dad would get a kick out of hearing them.
9000KMs from home with no 'net access, I realised I had forgotten to ask Apple for permission to play the audio that I had bought from them on the specific device I was taking with me. I hadn't authorised those tracks for my laptop.
Sure, I paid for the bits with real money, but because I forgot to as
Thank You! (Score:2, Insightful)
THAT is how you protest DRM!
Seems like these guys want to hang around Apple stores and bitch to every customer who walks in trying to buy an iPod.
The good things about Apple's DRM (Score:2)
Here's two HUGE advantages of having Apple in the DRM market that more than make up for all the disadvantages of FairPlay.
1. Competition in the DRM marketplace is good for consumers, because the more complex and difficult DRM is to use, the less acceptable people will find it. I like the fact that I have to jump through extra hoops to unlock my music to play on a generic player, because if it's extra work for a geek it means it's a lot of extra work
Re:What about other Apple products? (Score:2)
I'm not aware of any protections on any Apple hardware which prevent the installation of a non-Apple OS. Early
Re:What about other Apple products? (Score:2)
This argument doesn't make any sense at all. If you buy a retail copy of WinXP you can't go out and install it on a machine from any vendor. I know I can't install windows XP on the machine I am typing this on right now, nor can it be installed on many other computers out there. It's also possible that if I was able to get it to install it wouldn't support all of the components I use
Re:What about other Apple products? (Score:1)
Re:What about other Apple products? (Score:2)
There are no such protections. In fact, Apple has provided a semi-official way of doing just that [apple.com]. The only reason why Windows doesn't natively boot on a Mac is because Macs use EFI, which Windows does not yet support.
Add in Parallels [parallels.com] which provides virtualization support and you can have a machine that runs Mac OS X, Windows, any Linux distro, Solaris, OS/2, QNX, or damn near any other OS you can think of
Re:The Apple DRM people forget about... (Score:1)