Apple And The Boob Tube 170
Rick Zeman writes "The Washington Post talks about Apple's success in product placement in television shows. While 'Apple said it does not pay for product placement and would not discuss how its products make their way into television and films' television viewers are treated to the view and use of Apple products in such shows as 24, Sex and the City, and this year's biggie, The Office. Also from the article: '"Apple is the brand of people who are creative," said Lucian James, president of Agenda Inc., a brand consulting firm. "Where they are using Apple is sort of suggesting artistic-ness."'"
Obviously for the benefit of the masses (Score:4, Funny)
Which of course means that what they should be using are hacked XBOX 360s running Linux...
Re:Obviously for the benefit of the masses (Score:4, Funny)
Er, wouldn't that be suggesting living-in-parents'-basement-ness?
Reflection of Set Designers Preferences (Score:1)
"People in the entertainment industry tend to be more aware of aesthetics and good design"
then
"products that considered to be better designed will appear more often onscreen"
It is also a clue about the character using the (Score:3, Interesting)
From TFA (Score:5, Funny)
Simon.
Re:From TFA (Score:1, Interesting)
Free product (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Free product (Score:4, Interesting)
Everybody wins. The studio gets free props, and Apple gets free advertising. If anything, it works out better for apple, as they get free advertising.
That said, I think that apple products get chosen by the set designers simply because they're the most stylish/fashionible. If you want a futuristic, high-tech set (ie. 24), Apple's the way to go. It's their job to make the set look good.
Re:Free product (Score:2)
When Apple products are used, it's typically by "the good guys". The baddies in the same movie would be using some cheapo white box manufacturer running Windows.
I always find that hilarious.
This link [brandchannel.com] is amusing for checking out all product placements in movies.
Re:Free product (Score:2)
Several Cases of Spontaneous Placement (Score:2)
Similarly, when we first saw a Powerbook on Sex and the City, its logo was taped over. Not product placement (by the way, that's a very handy clue). Likewise the ibook used by Buffy's friends in several episodes.
Apple even gets plenty of free advertising in advertisements for other companies. Almost every tim
Re:Free product (Score:2)
How would a Middle Eastern dip made with chickpeas and sesame help my posts?
MovieOS (Score:5, Funny)
Re:MovieOS (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:MovieOS (Score:2)
There was a version of this for the Palm Pilot that pretended to read your fingerprint to gain access. In reality, all you had to do was secretly press any button.
along with the slight tick-tick-tick as each character is printed to the screen.
Back in the good old days of 8-bit computing, when the TV show Whiz Kids was on TV all the computer magazines published type-in programs that allowed you to do this on your Commodore 64, or
MovieOS already exists, under a different name. (Score:2)
"This is a UNIX system. I know this."
How I wish this intuitive GUI and OS were available to the masses. [everything2.com] I hear that Apple is using some kind of clone as the basis for OSX, but I have yet to find confirmation about it.
Re:MovieOS already exists, under a different name. (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:MovieOS (Score:4, Funny)
Don't forget if you are searching for something, it needs to flash up each and every record in the database until it finds the one you want.
I can't wait until Google supports this killer feature.
iPod in the Movies (Score:1)
Scary Movie 4 Trailer - iPod [scarymovie.com]
Re:iPod in the Movies (Score:1)
Set dressing (Score:5, Informative)
Decorating a TV set is pretty complicated. You don't show brand names unless they're paying for it (and you must hide those brands from all camera angles), but you want to encourage a feeling of familiarity for the viewer, so you end up with stuff like a half-turned Coke(TM) can that has a malformed "ribbon device" to avoid the trademark police. Regardless, you always display products that the viewer will find familiar - hence the avocado-green washer and dryer on That 70's show. That godawful combo isn't there because it's pretty, but it is a clear indicator of when the show occurs, and a nod to the life and times the show is set in.
Apple is pretty unique in that they don't have to pay, but you'll notice that rarely is the Apple logo shown on TV shows that place Apple products. Apple knows that their industrial design is enough to get them placed in shows that want to show progressive, forward-thinking office environments or creative, flip characters.
You see racks of Dell servers on "24", but you never see the word Dell, either - and I'd bet you my neck on a block it's because XServes just don't have big enough blue LEDs and blinky lights - and because Dell's servers are, oddly enough, among their best looking products.
Apple products just look better on camera, full of artful, swooping designs that are utilitarian enough for everyday use, but futuristic enough for TV's trendsetting set dressers.
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Re:Set dressing (Score:1)
Sometimes I wonder about those racks of Dell servers - that's a fair amount of computing power, I wonder if those are purely prop computers or they do something with them?
Re:Set dressing (Score:2)
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Also, while Apple doesn't pay, they don't always insist that the prop computers get returned. =) I know a few producers who have negotiated for computer systems* for themselves in return for product placement, as well. It's time h
Dell, FWIW (Score:2)
Re:Set dressing (Score:3, Insightful)
I'm sure this is a common policy, just to avoid hassle, but it has little basis in law. How on earth could Coca-cola complain about a character drinking a can of coke? The trademark is firmly attached to t
Re:Set dressing (Score:2)
Have you ever seen an Xserve? They account for about 90% of the LED's in the server room where I work (:
Front view [apple.com] (27 LED's)
Rear view [apple.com] (7 LED's
The front LED's in the dark [quakeconpics.com] (:
Re:Set dressing (Score:2)
Yes, I have, and I appreciate the post...but XServe LEDs, though many, are tiny. Like Jawas fighting the mighty, singular Death Star of Dell's "Massive Blue Server-Lite 2000", they are overwhelmed, since hey - they don't photograph as well.
Dell is product placement on "24" (Score:2)
Actually I have definitely seen the "Dell" logo a few times in this season of "24," which makes me think that they ponied up the big bucks for all that product placement. I'm thinking specifically of a few times when they have shown somebody's face over the top of their monitor from the back, you can rather clearly make out the word "Dell" on the rear side.
Of course, I'm watching this on a fairly large screen, so I'm not sure how obvious this would be on a smaller TV, or what the 'standards' are for a 'vis
Re:Dell is product placement on "24" (Score:2)
This probably means nothing (Score:1, Flamebait)
As for Apple, have you seen the programs that they actually show running on television and movies? It is ALL artwork... there
Computers Used by Movie Editors (Score:3, Insightful)
Apple could get placement simply by making sure that people in the movie industry have Apples
Re:Computers Used by Movie Editors (Score:2)
Also, editors are not responsible for what gets shot, only how it gets put together. So if all they're given is footage with Macs in it they don't have much choice.
Possibly one of the biggest reasons that Apple products seems to appear so often, especially in low budget movies and still pho
Re:Computers Used by Movie Editors (Score:2)
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Of course, one would expect the accountants in the background to have the move influence
Re:Computers Used by Movie Editors (Score:2)
What? (Score:4, Insightful)
Baloney. I'm not knocking Apple products
Re:What? (Score:2)
The whole reason I bought my Mac Mini is because it's totally inconspicuous. A giant G5 box on my desk is one thing, but the Mini is great if you want to save desk space. I don't worry about my computer as such, I just have a system that works and I do what I need to do.
Re:What? (Score:1)
Sadly though, if I keep my laptop on the floor the cat walks all over it and my back hurts from that awkward position thus the quality of my work suffers and the people who purchased this laptop for me aren't as happy as they would be if I kept it on the desk.
Re:What? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:What? (Score:4, Insightful)
To quote, "Baloney." Keep in mind that artists and graphic designers happen to be the exact same types who'd appreciate Apple's elegant lines and strong industrial design.
I have an Apple Powerbook, and I bought it not because it makes a statement to others, but because it works, works well, and I enjoy using it. I love solid well crafted tools, and I hate the flimsy creaky cheap plastic crap that other manufacturers pass off as "design".
I work better on my Mac. It's a synergistic effect.
Characterizing Apple owners as mere status-seekers is as simplistic as my characterizing Linux-types as people too cheap to pay for software. Sure, some might qualify as such, but it would be unfair, unwise, and, well... stupid for me to tar all of them with the same brush.
Re:What? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:What? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:What? (Score:2)
Re:What? (Score:2)
"I work better on my Mac. It's a synergistic effect." is another line of bullshit.
Re:What? (Score:2)
If you don't get then it you don't get it. That's okay. Some people don't care about such things. Just keep in mind that others do.
Re:What? (Score:2)
Re:What? (Score:3)
FACT: There are people who appreciate design, many of whom are designers. Lack of design grates upon their senses.
Like I said, if you can't understand that, then you can't. But if your sense of sup
Re:What? (Score:2)
Re:What? (Score:2)
Apparently, to use an analogy, anyone who buys an expensive sports car does so solely because they're making a statement. And not because they appreciate the clean lines and precision engineering. And not because they admire the fit and finish and fine interior. Nor can they enjoy the performance and handling.
Nope, none of those things could possibly apply. Paying more money for an expensive ve
Re:What? (Score:2)
I hate the flimsy creaky cheap plastic crap that other manufacturers pass off as "design".
You haven't adressed the point that I was making all along. Not once did I deny that Macs have good design, not once did I imply that Mac OS and software is not a good choice for some users. What I am saying is that Apple isn't the only company to make well designed laptops and it's not like they haven't made their share of "flimsy crea
Re:Enjoyment (Score:2)
Anyone who needs a pretty color on their computer case to put them in a good mood is a remarkably weak-minded person.
-Eric
Re:What? (Score:3, Insightful)
You say it's a synergistic effect. What is? "I work better on my Mac because it works well" is /not/ a synergy. If you work because something works, that's not a synergy, that's cau
Re:What? (Score:2)
Re:What? (Score:1, Flamebait)
Of course I dont know how much of this is really Apple's fault, but they do encourage it by making their products as conspicuous as possible.
Re:What? (Score:1)
What do you want them to do, start slapping "intel inside" stickers all over their computers just to blend in? If Apple's products stand out, it's for looking good in a sea of ugliness. Don't complain that Apple stands out--complain that Dell is still pumping out slabby turds festooned with garish, useless blinkenlights and "Genuine Microsoft" labels.
I agree with you that all the "I use a Mac and therefore I'm creative" posers,
Re:What? (Score:1)
For me, a computer is a box that sits on the floor and should remain as inconspicuous as possible, since I'm not trying to make any kind of statement with my choice of computer system. I make that statement with the quality of my work, regardless of the platform I happen to be working on at any given time.
I wonder if that's the same thing as saying you buy all your clothes from Wal-Mart because it's what's on the inside that counts.
Re:What? (Score:2)
Re:What? (Score:1, Flamebait)
Sorry, I got distracted when you started sniffing your own farts.
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Weird (Score:2)
That's pretty arrogant.
People who work with their computers buy what's best for the job. For some people, it's Macs, for others, it's PCs. So you buy PCs. Good for you. Others buy Macs. That doesn't make them better or worse than you, it just means they need a different OS to "make that statement with the quality of
Re:Weird (Score:2)
Now, I thought I had made it clear: I'm not knocking Apple products, I happen to like them. I wasn't bitching about their pricing. I'm slamming attitudes, not hardware. Nor am I slamming all Apple users, just the irritating ones traditionally called "Mac bigots". That's actually a fairly significant subset of the Mac using population, large enoug
Re:Weird (Score:2)
I don't see this. It's porbably similar to the recent Southpark episode with the Hybrid owners: They aren't smug (at least none of the ones I know), but people often perceive them to be smug because they unintendionally remi
Re:What? (Score:2)
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I've noticed this (Score:2)
Comic strips also (Score:3, Insightful)
24 and bad guys (Score:3, Informative)
Re:24 and bad guys (Score:1)
But I think I've also seen HP TabletPCs in use this year on 24 by the good guys.
Cynical, moi? (Score:2)
Of course, truckloads of free product probably have some effect. But I noticed that on the last Veronica Mars, the logo on her laptop was covered up... it isn't usually. Did someone stop paying?
Artistic-ness? (Score:1)
Isn't it a pain to backup? (Score:1, Offtopic)
Re:Isn't it a pain to backup? (Score:2)
Connect external drive. Boot from external drive. Restore backups to external drive.
Or, alternately, crack open that puppy and replace the drive. But the external drive workaround is one easy enough for grandma to deal with.
The article says BOOB (Score:1)
Re:The article says BOOB (Score:2)
The Apple Cover-Up (Score:2)
Gratuitous Apple computers (Score:2)
This is a pet peeve of mine. In seemingly every TV show or movie, they have an Apple computer. Even in corporations where the bean-counters are not going to pay 50% more for a computer. The Whitehouse staff on "The West Wing" all had Powerbooks. I have no problem if the character is a writer, photographer, graphic artist or reasonably successful musician. Those people are in the 5% of the population that will pay the "Mac Tax". The rest of the population uses Windows boxes (Slashdot readers possibly excepte
Not this sh*t again... (Score:2)
I am really getting sick of this cliche. I have used Macs on occasion, but in my 7 years of sound design for videogames my primary tools have all been on Windows and PCs. A computer and the software that it runs are just tools and tools are only creative forces in the hands of people that are skilled enough to use them. Not once did I feel limited in my work because I was on a PC. Not once did I feel less creative because I was running Sound Forge and nuendo
Re:Not this sh*t again... (Score:2)
I work in print publishing. I personally use a PC, but am in a tiny minority amongst the Mac users. Actually, if my boss hadn't been such a cheap bastard back when I started I'd probably be using a Mac too, but I got comfortable with my old-school DOS software and find it hard to change. But I do lust after OSX and may "switch" sometime.
Apple disproportionally strong in creative market (Score:2)
Gah, I hate the cliché that you need a Porsche to drive fast. Sure, Porsches are fast, but I've been doing street races with my hummer for seven years now!
Anyway, there are lots of Windows users doing creative stuff, and lots of Mac users doing non-creative stuff. That doesn't change the fact that Apple is disproportionally strong in the creative market.
Re:Not this sh*t again... (Score:2)
Maybe you're not as creative as you think.
The Office (Score:1)
There's only one character in The Office who uses a Mac. The temp, Ryan Howard, uses an Apple iBook. He's the guy played by B.J. Novak. In almost every shot, however, the Apple logo is obscured. If I didn't own an iBook, I might think it was just a white laptop. The iBook is not very often shown on camera at any rate.
Almost everybody else uses Gateway PCs. In fact, the Gateway logo is quite visible on the back of the flat-panel monitors in many, many shots. There are also a few IBM P
Re:The Office (Score:1)
Do you think viewers really put that much thought into it, associating the Apple computers with characters that they give a lot of sympathy to? If that's so, why did Dwight get the iPod but Pam ended up with the big brick music player from "The Injury"?
"Apple is the brand of people who are creative" (Score:1)
Cisco Phones too (Score:2)
I'm sure folks have noticed that Cisco IP Phones [cisco.com] also get placed into quite a few shows that have a high-tech slant to them bordering on sci-fi (think Alias). Sure, it's not something that a typical consumer is going to run out and buy, but I can imagine those people working in large corporations that can afford Cisco IP telephony products [cisco.com] wondering how they can cool phones like that.
Apple's been successful at this for a LONG time (Score:2)
Re:Apple's been successful at this for a LONG time (Score:2)
-Eric
Safari spotted! (Score:2)
Last night, as I was working at my job as a TV board op, I saw a commercial for some online product (tax filing software, or something), that blatently used a Safari look-a-like browser in an OSX setting, although no logos were shown. The thing that astounded me, though, is how much trouble they went to to make it look ALMOST but not quite like Safari/OSX. The window had the tell-tail "stop light" (red-yellow-green) circle widgets in left corner (Mac OS windows always place widgets on the left side, because
This is actually illegal (Score:2)
Hollywood, without advertisers or the FCC to ans
In Britain, A Boob Tube is... (Score:2)
Re:In Britain, A Boob Tube is... (Score:2, Informative)
The Boob Tube that you refer to is usually referred to as a Tube Top here in North America. Maybe we don't call them Boob Tube's here because they are becoming quite popular (much to the dism
Re:the brand of people who TOOLS MAKE THEM creativ (Score:2)
No offense, but I've found that description true of almost everybody.
Very few people are truly wise enough to understand their own limits, and bigots even less so.
i think you misunderstand the term (Score:2)
maybe the reason a lot of artistic people use Macs is that they are flat out easier and less maintenance. they use the machine as a tool for their work, instead of spending tons of time learning manuals and procedures and how to keep things secure and bla bla bla. i realize
Re:Say NO to Apple Astroturfing, run GNU/Linux (Score:1)
Re:MS does it, so why not Apple (Score:2)
Microsoft is starting to build aircraft now? That'll give a whole new feel to complaining about when MS products crash. :-)
Re:Of Art and Apples (Score:2)
Re:Just a brand (Score:2)
How about "put it naked on the internet and not get it hacked inside of an hour"?