Gentoo 2006.0 Screenshot Tour 161
linuxbeta writes "Hot on the heels of Gentoo's announcement of their 2006.0 release, OSDir has published a Gentoo 2006.0 Screenshot Tour which give us a walk-through of installing Gentoo with the first ever Gentoo Linux LiveCD."
NOT The first live CD (Score:1)
I have been installing Gentoo on multiple systems for years and I ALWAYS used their LiveCD. This is hardly the first ever LiveCD.
Re:NOT The first live CD (Score:1)
Re:NOT The first live CD (Score:1)
Re:NOT The first live CD (Score:2)
Screenshots of an installer? (Score:1)
Re:Screenshots of an installer? (Score:1)
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Extra packages showing bad form? (Score:3, Informative)
~Rebecca
Re:Extra packages showing bad form? (Score:3, Funny)
Take off, eh!
Re:Extra packages showing bad form? (Score:2, Funny)
-Mr. John A. Hoser
Re:Extra packages showing bad form? (Score:1)
Re:Extra packages showing bad form? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Extra packages showing bad form? (Score:2)
It's nice to see that the developers at least have a sense of humor. It doesn't bother me to see this sort of thing, and it can be a little refreshing if it's used tastefully. It's also arguable that the wording also gives a straight to the point "don't do this, dummy" type of statement that might be hard to create
Re:Extra packages showing bad form? (Score:2)
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Sheesh. Much as I love Gentoo, you have to admit that people who don't self-identify as nerds don't even know it exists. Unless they have some sort of tech-company investing interest, they barely know Linux exists.
Re:Extra packages showing bad form? (Score:2)
Just a guess, but if somebody who isn't a nerd is installing Gentoo, the installer calling them a hoser probably isn't their biggest problem. There are plenty of distros meant to be easy to use and friendly to Linux noobs, but Gentoo isn't one of them.
Re:Extra packages showing bad form? (Score:2)
You need to relax, you're part of the problem.
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But fortunately, you (most likely) don't speak for the Gentoo developers, who, while maybe disagreeing about the issue at hand (or not), I think will at least welcome discussion and honest attempts to improve things.
Think about it. The "you hoser" thing itself may or may not be a problem, b
OT: Boy, have I got a link for you! (Score:2)
Re:Extra packages showing bad form? (Score:2)
C'mon Linux people, if you want the world to take you seriously, you need to act seriously.
I personally love Monty Python, but humor has its place and that place is certainly not an installer's welcome page which is too crowded with text to begin with.
Very cool... (Score:2)
Other than the time it takes to compile packages, I think Gentoo really is the best distribution out there for the power user. I use it on all my
Re:Very cool... (Score:2)
Re:Very cool... (Score:2)
So... what you're saying is that you don't run Gentoo on all of your computers.
Re: Distros (Score:3, Informative)
If you've never installed Debian or Gentoo or Red Hat and don't want to waste a CD-R (or take the time to burn it, or whatever...) most of the distributions (including Knoppix) can be run "as if" from a CD but actually from the hard drive.
Marc Herbert's Wi [herbert.free.fr]
Good to see the change in the installer... (Score:2)
Kudos to all you who made it easier on n00bs
Re:Good to see the change in the installer... (Score:2)
I always found it to be an enormous PITA to maintain because things were always breaking due to undocumented changes, untested changes, etc. With other distros, I don't have to crawl through forums every other weekend just to keep the thing running, I've had fewer problems with updates on Debian than I have with MacOS.
Re:Good to see the change in the installer... (Score:2)
No, as things that broke did so in such a way that I'm sure it wasn't my fault. For example, one of the updates required a version of famd that was masked. I know that wasn't my fault, the developer had released the changes without testing them on a stable installation first. For another example, Xinerama was made optional and off by default where previously it had been on by default with no option. This was done without warning, so when I rebuilt the system Xinerama
Re:Good to see the change in the installer... (Score:2)
I did. Those are just the examples that came to mind.
"Judging from the response of other people and going by my own Gentoo installation this is unusual."
It's not that unusual, there are plenty of people that don't care for Gentoo. The fans are just a lot more vocal.
"Not that there have never been problems, but one of the reasons people like Gentoo is that once it has been set up it is a lot less hassl
Re:Good to see the change in the installer... (Score:2)
Okay, well it's great that you think it's strange, but since the solutions to my problems usually came from forum postings of the form "This is what broke, this is how to fix it." I am confident that a) it's not just me, and b) it's not something I did wrong.
If it were something wrong with me, I would consider it strange that I have used Linux distros like Slackware, Fedora, RHEL, Suse, and Debian,
Re:Good to see the change in the installer... (Score:2)
I'm not taking it personally... if I'm doing something wrong, I want to know so I can stop. What I found when I investigated was almost always broken packages, and the fix was almost always to wait for someone to update the repository or post a patch. I'm not taking it as an insult, I just don't see any way I could do something differently when a package that's broken a
Re:Good to see the change in the installer... (Score:2)
Yes, since I have used most of the major ones and Gentoo is the worst of the ones I have used. I never claimed to have used every distro, only a significant sample of the major ones (and I gave specifics on which ones). Based on that sample, Gentoo is much worse than the average. If there's others that are as bad or worse, I'll avoid them like the plague as well.
"None of which detracts from port
Re:Good to see the change in the installer... (Score:2)
As no one has done any studies, none of us has anything better.
"No, I'm not. However it is part of Gentoo, and one of the defining parts."
But the point you're missing is that both package management systems can be used to implement either policy. Portage isn't inherently a constant-upgrade system, it's just being used that way by most of its users. True, Gentoo is the primary user of it, but th
Re:Good to see the change in the installer... (Score:2)
In no way am I trying to turn this into "apt is better than portage". I don't think that. I think apt and portage can both be used to implement a variety of policies. It's the policy I have an issue with, not portage.
"Not your best argument, as Gentoo has been around
Re:Good to see the change in the installer... (Score:2)
You claimed portage was well thought of, and I agreed. I simply pointed out that portage being a good system didn't necessarily mean it was being used to good effect with Gentoo. It's closely bound to Gentoo, but I've seen it in action so I know it has unrealized potential.
"But you would have if you could. I can establish there exists people that have a problem with the reliability of any distribution you care to name."
Indeed. But I wasn't trying to sh
Re:Good to see the change in the installer... (Score:2)
Re:Good to see the change in the installer... (Score:2)
Wow! What a fresh gentoo joke! Did Indiana Jones dig it up for you?
Just so you know, you can use binaries of the live-cd and its kernel for the install, which only took me about 40 minutes.
Re:Good to see the change in the installer... (Score:2)
Debian is a binary based distro, not a source based distro.
Debian, like most GNU/Linux distros use pre-compiled binaries. This saves a lot of time during install of the OS and packages (software, for you windows folks). However, these pre-compiled binaries are fairly generic - for instance they will be compiled for i686. This allows the same binary to run on any i686 compatible processor, whether it be an Intel Pentium 4, an AMD Athlon, and AMD AthlonXP, etc.
This isn't a problem more most users, but a "ge
Ease vs Flexibility (Score:1)
Re:Ease vs Flexibility (Score:1)
Oh my God (Score:1)
Re:Oh my God (Score:1)
Re:Oh my God (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Oh my God (Score:2)
I just finished installing 2005.1 (while removing XP) on my laptop. I had Gentoo installed for the last year and dicked around with it every once in a while. About 2 weeks ago, I decided to make the laptop pure Linux and figured might as well do a complete reinstall as I have only done it once. Might have been nice to try out the new installer as well.
/ob funroll-loops (Score:3, Funny)
Just to beat the h8ers to the punch:
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This one was good for a hearty laugh.
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As a server, compiling from source with gentoo makes not much difference.
Running as a desktop, especially on older hardware, it can make a noticible difference.
The main thing about gentoo for me is the portage system. emerge is fantastic. Yes, you have to compile things. However, after having used Debian's apt-get and RedHat/Fedora's yum, something about emerge is MUCH much better.
I get annoyed every time I tell redhat to install something. Or even search for something.
Re:/ob funroll-loops (Score:2)
--S
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I know that I could get a minor speed improvements compiling by hand, but I have fast enough hardware these days that I'm willing to trade some speed for not having to wait around while Gnome compiles.
I guess it's all in how you look at it. I see it as my hardware compiles most things fast enough that the time involved is really a non-issue. By using parallel emerges and building my kernel while portage went about its work I had a usable xfce4 desktop up and running in just a couple of hours on my dual opte
true, nano's for pussies, (Score:2)
Re:true, nano's for pussies, (Score:2)
Re:true, nano's for pussies, (Score:2)
I was smoking the "going for a funny post" weed. But it's true that baselayout doesn't include inetd or xinetd, and installing a net-aware server like apache does not depend on inetd unless you include that as a USE flag.
Personally I'm fine with that because I'd rather have apache, etc., listening themselves on the port then introduce an extra layer that will one day break. YMMV.
Re:/ob funroll-loops (Score:2)
Oh please... (Score:2)
And you guys criticize Microsoft for not innovating!
There was no 2005.9.9a (Score:2)
And this is a step foreward for Gentoo, they've never had a graphical installer before.
Re:There was no 2005.9.9a (Score:2)
Re:There was no 2005.9.9a (Score:2)
It is also, ironically, a step backwards... Again, because of the graphical installer.
Uh oh! (Score:2)
I'm currently dual booting gentoo 2005.1 (amd64) and Suse 10 (x86)
Suse 10 is buggy but there are some 32bit only apps I'm stuck with,
like the proprietary drivers for my very expensive scanner, hence the dual booting.
I'll be emerging 2006.0 overnight and we'll see what new goodies we get.
Personally I'm extremely disappointed that the still are stuck on KDE 3.4
WTF is up with that? They claim 3.5 isn't stable yet. What are
Re:Uh oh! (Score:2)
If you want to use it do:
# ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" emerge kdesktop
Re:Uh oh! (Score:2)
I'm not 100% Gentoo literate quite yet.
I still struggle with it. I've gotten to be very spoiled with Suse.
I've been on Suse about 2 years now and it's really isolated me from the
nuts and bolts of Linux. Suse and Yast has been like having training wheels on a tricycle.
Re:Uh oh! (Score:2)
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That said,
--S
Re:Uh oh! (Score:2)
Re:Uh oh! (Score:2)
This isn't quite true. 2006.0 has a new profile, with different default USE flags. To upgrade fully, you need to link /etc/make.profile to the appropriate location (for me it's ../usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/x86/2006.0/ ) . Then emerge sync and emerge --newuse world to rebuild any packages that the new USE flags change. Chances are, you'll be rebuilding glibc, as one of the new defaults for 2006.0 is nptl (native POSIX threads).
Re:Uh oh! (Score:2)
-coshx
Re:Uh oh! (Score:2)
Re:Uh oh! (Score:2)
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Re:Uh oh! (Score:2)
www-client/mozilla-firefox ~x86
dev-libs/nss ~x86
I wanted the ~x86 version of firefox because it was taking too #@%! long for 1.5 to be stable. So I put it in there with the ~x86 keyword. I also had to add nss ~x86 because firefox testing depends on nss testing. If you need to add another ~x86 package for a dependency, it will tell you about it when you try to emerge something.
You should never, never, NEVER use --upgra
Another hint (Score:2)
In addition to
"some-category/package ~x86" to unmask all ~x86 versions of the package, you can use
"=some-category/package-x.y.z ~x86" to unmask just one version. i.e. if you want a more recent version of a package to get Some Nifty New Feature you really want, but don't always want that package to be on the bleeding edge. You can also use , and a few other things.
For example, yo
Re:Uh oh! (Score:1)
I have been using KDE 3.5 on my box (gentoo of course) since it came out, and it seems to me to be quite stable now, but the ebuild maintainers for KDE are waiting. Who can blame them. KDE is very large by anyone's standard, and can hardly be said that all the bugs ar
Re:Uh oh! (Score:2)
Correction (Score:1)
An oldy, but a goody (Score:2)
NetBSD rules! Anyway, Gentoo Linux is an interesting new distribution with some great features. Unfortunately, it has attracted a large number of clueless wannabes who absolutely MUST advocate Gentoo at every opportunity. Let's look at the language of these zealots, and find out what it really means...
"Gentoo makes me so much more productive."
"Although I can't use the box at the moment because it's compiling something, as it will be for the next five days, it
Re:An oldy, but a goody (Score:1)
ooh, so THAT's how it's done. thankyou. i tried reading "man rpm" a few dozen times but i'm afraid i got brainfried.. so now i install everything using "fetch", "tar -zxvf" and "make install". maybe i'll try RPM again now.
Litmus test (Score:2)
A. If said item does have an abnormally high degree of worth, (but such worth is not immediately apparent to nanoscopic minds) chances are it will be derided by some conformist, karma-chasing dipshit on Slashdot. It is safe to assume in many cases (particularly when relating to Linux distributions) tha
Re:An oldy, but a goody (Score:2)
"Gentoo makes me so much more productive."
Gentoo makes my clusters easy to manage. less time spent compiling custom bio apps means more time I get to spend doing real work.
"Gentoo is more in the spirit of open source!"
Seeing as how I have contributed many bug fixxes and new package builds to the gentoo portage tree without actually coding a single line I would say that I _AM_ involved. There are many others like me.
"Heh, my system is soooo much faster after installing Gentoo."
Benchmarks don't l
Re:An oldy, but a goody (Score:1)
fedore core 5 will be kde 3.5, gnome 2.14, gcc 4.1, kernel 2.6.16, and xfce who cares.
Not that any of those versions are officially out yet. I know that gentoo guys are frequently the first to patch some beta version of code to a beta version of gcc on 64bits quickly, but I'm surprised their release is so outdated. Being on those older versions doesn't make the software more stable (bug free) or th
Re:An oldy, but a goody (Score:2)
While Gentoo does have "versions", it's not really like most distro's. Most people running a Gentoo system will never have to upgrade because as they do their emerges over time the system slowly morphs from one Gentoo version to the next (and hits many
Re:An oldy, but a goody (Score:2)
Uh, what kind of computer is unusable when compiling?
Come on, if you're going to make a joke at least make sense
link to the Release Engineering page for 2006.0 (Score:3, Informative)
Any non-trivial instructions for migrating from current profile should appear here, according to the upgrading guide [gentoo.org].
Shouldn't be any big deal (Score:2)
Dispelling a Few Myths (Score:2)
You may get a slight speed increase in your system when you switch to gentoo - maybe even a significant one, but this will be due to a number of factors including fewer daemons running by default than other systems and USE variables ensuriung that large staticly linked binaries only contain the features you asked for and not all the available features. It doesn't realy have much to do with the fact that you compiled it yourself using optimised code settings, all the binary di
Re:Dispelling a Few Myths (Score:2)
2. Stage1 does not make you more l337
Seriously, the only reason to do a stage 1 install is if you are building a system on an architecture for which gentoo has not been built before or if you want to try out some realy odd compile options (believe me, you don't unless you're a gentoo developer or terminaly curious). How do you think the stage 3 files are produced? might it be by running the exact same scripts that you run when you do a stage 1 install?
Well the thing is a lot of people who choose Gentoo like
Re:Dispelling a Few Myths (Score:2)
The people who do want to change build options for the entire base system during instalation fall into the terminaly curious category, and if they aren't gentoo developers yet they realy ought to be
Re:Stage 1 (Score:2)
Gentoo LiveCD? (Score:2)
The joke writes itself!
Re:I tried Gentoo once (Score:2)
On the other hand the dependency and option handling in portage is so much better than any other package-management tool that it's unreal (and it would be quite hard to mainatin these features whilst also giving teh option for serious binary installs).
Swings and rou
Re:Cool (Score:2)
Re:CUPS and SAMBA, what a nightmare (Score:2)