Intel: VoIP is Beachhead to More Collaboration 140
Rob writes "VoIP is old news. Long live SoIP. That was the message from Intel Corp's
director of VoIP strategy in its digital enterprise group Michael Stanford at a recent
industry conference in San Francisco, California. Stanford, who works with business
managers and engineers in and outside Intel, said that, while 2005 has been a good year
for VoIP, the technology is the "first drop in the deluge" of IP network
applications. "VoIP is a beachhead, so to speak, of services over IP. I can't
emphasize that enough," Stanford said, referring to collaboration services that
could benefit from running on infrastructures optimized for VoIP."
Re:Sex Over IP (SoIP?) (Score:1)
Michael
Throw out an Acronym (Score:2, Funny)
-Peter
Re:Throw out an Acronym (Score:2, Interesting)
I have enough on my plate dealing with the protocols that already exist, and I'm much more concerned with science than money, so why should I be concerned about this latest alert in my inbox?
Have a great time with it, I'm busy with other things.
Michael
Bzzzy as a bzzz beee (Score:2)
Yeh, like posting to slashdot
Re:Bzzzy as a bzzz beee (Score:1)
Michael
Re:Sounds like HoIP to me (Score:2)
Re:Throw out an Acronym (Score:2)
Flashy sounding acronyms are needed to get non-technical business people to feel like they need to buy something so that they can keep up with their competitors. Nevermind that said technology might not be right for their unique situation. That is how technical sales are made.
Re:Throw out an Acronym (Score:1)
"IP technology" (Score:5, Funny)
Yeah, I wonder what comes next over IP... email, downloading media and maybe even chat!!!
Re:"IP technology" (Score:2)
Re:"IP technology" (Score:1)
Re:"IP technology" (Score:2)
Then we could make a website that has both links to articles and facilities for people to leave comments up on them.
And we could make one targetting to providing "News to Nerds".
Re:"IP technology" (Score:2)
Latency (Score:2)
But seriously, the use of these other services are going to cause a major headache to those trying to get VoIP in the short run,In the long run, however, making the networks streamlined for the other services as well is really going to make the VoIP service stream great.
Luke
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What? Obsolete already? (Score:2)
OT: Where are all the comments? (Score:2)
Now, on to bigger and better things. Who borked the comments?
What is SoIP? (Score:2)
My Vonage rocks the party for over a year now. I like my $26 a month for unlimited phone calls, and the quality is great.
MP3? (Score:2)
Who needs a Cell Phone or a Land Phone (Score:1)
What would be nice is if Cell phone companys made long distance free, not just in the US, but world wide.
And how is this different from ... (Score:1)
Of course (Score:3)
Everything will eventually be over the internet (Score:5, Funny)
This is all due to Network Layer Abstraction. The internet is based on the idea that networks have different layers. The physical cable is one layer, while the protocol, TCP/IP is another. The data itself is yet another. The is a bit simplified, but idea is that if you change one layer, the other layers remain unchanged. I can use DSL or cable or dialup for internet data, but I can get music from iTunes no matter which service I chose. I could replace IP4 with IP6 and again still get that data. I could switch to Napster from iTunes and not affect my Internet service. I can switch from Vonage to Speakeasy or even to that godawfully expensive comcast phone service if I wanted (though it's more likely I'll switch from that TO vonage).
This is what truly opens us up to innovation and competition. The internet simply transfers data, but that data can literally be anything. Phone networks can only transfer voice information, and their transmission of data is limited. By separating out all these services, people can insert themselves anywhere in the network chain and make something new.
Re:Everything will eventually be over the internet (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Everything will eventually be over the internet (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Everything will eventually be over the internet (Score:2)
Let me know when my toilet is hooked up to the Internet, and I can take a crap anywhere I have a wireless connection.
This idea was created by Shampoo (Score:2)
TV over IP (Score:2)
-M
Jumping on the bandwagon a bit late (Score:2)
Did we not have services on IP before? (Score:1)
BTW, Is this a first post? If so, why - did I miss the memo on boycotting /. or something?
Re:Did we not have services on IP before? (Score:2)
I guess HTTP, FTP, SSH, ... were not services.
VoIP is important for two reasons. First, it is a popular and traditional service that has traditionally been handled over dedicated lines. VoIP is a a consolidation, moving voice traffic to the same channels as the rest. Everyone has seen that both telephone and television are destined to be brought into the fold of regular IP traffic. This means internet traffic will have to adhere to the reliability standards of telephone and the bandwidth capacity for mu
you mean "more Outsourcing" (Score:1)
I'll try for FP also.
Re:you mean "more Outsourcing" (Score:2)
And I'm post 59... gotta love slashcode
SoIP??? (Score:2)
Wow, what a great idea! We could put a port number (just for example) in the IP spec, and then different services could be available on those ports... OVER IP!!!
This is clearly the next great step forward for the internet.
Re:SoIP??? (Score:3, Funny)
"smell over IP" = sniff your fellow slashdotters
"spatula over IP" = Dinner-by-wire, ala Star Trek
"spigot over IP" = everybody's shipping low-cost computers to the third world anyway... this way computers are actually useful
"spouse over IP" = for people who've never left the computer
"stamp over IP" = USPS is afraid of email cutting into their profits
"Soviet over IP" = In soviet russia, IP stacks on top of you!
"sunlight over IP" = computer geeks are tired of the stigma of being pasty wh
This is pointless (Score:1)
That's like saying that HDTV is just a beachhead and there will be AMAZING services offered over RF in the future.
Maybe that's why I can't understand marketing. To me technologies like RSS aren't exciting enought o get my attention since XML over HTTP has been aroun
Beachhead, beachhead, beachhead! (Score:2)
Re:Beachhead, beachhead, beachhead! (Score:2)
(Yes we all wore embarrassing clothes, yes it was a crap game, and yes we were happy with it at the time, you see Quake III wasn't open sourced yet. Come to think of it, John Carmack himself wasn't even out of beta in those days)
Re:Beachhead, beachhead, beachhead! (Score:1)
Sadly, i was thinking exactly the same thing.
Services over IP (Score:2)
What's new about this?
Going for most first posts in a row (Score:1)
hint? (Score:1)
What about TV (Score:2, Insightful)
What about TV (Score:1)
What about TV (Score:1)
Re:What about TV (Score:1)
I did install the server, pretty easy, a few hickups getting it seeded from another torrent, will be nice to see their client, when it's on something other than mac (and when they actually release the source to sourceforge as promissed)
any torrent seed experts know if the seed can be configured to give priority to the start of the video? I know that can be done in the seed if it is multiple files. That is the only thing I need their client for on my pc.
Re:What about TV (Score:1)
http://www.videolan.org/streaming/features.html [videolan.org]
the BM will be neat when others start kicking in, but as a early adopter, not much gained from that (unless you happen to have too multiple slow servers for VLC.)
What do they mean (Score:1)
SoIP (Score:3, Funny)
Re:SoIP (Score:2)
Bandwidth Gap (Score:5, Insightful)
Sure 6Mbps downstream speed is great, unless you're trying to upload a video to a web host or worse, stream it from your machine. Upload speeds must be 50% of download speeds for this sort of future to happen. I'd love to have multiple VoIP phone lines once I have two or three teenage crotch goblins, but I can't do that if the upstream speed is only 768kbps (or whatever it is with Comcast).
Fix the upstream bandwidth gap, run some fiber to the home and then we'll talk about more services over IP.
Re:Bandwidth Gap (Score:3, Informative)
While it's in everyone's interest to have better upstream capacities, VOIP only takes 64kbps and a bit for the least compressed codec (G.711). You could, in theory, run about 10 lines on 768kbps worth of bandwidth. And the likes of skype (iLBC; 14kbps) and other VOIP apps (G.729(A), G.723, GSM etc) use way less bandwidth than 6
Re:Bandwidth Gap (Score:2)
That's all the codec takes, but I've noticed that my phone calls take about 80kbps each way (due to overhead I'm sure)
Throttling everything going upstream to leave room for VoIP helps, but if you're downloading you'll still run into trouble. Not because you're maxing out your downstream, but because even downloading requires some upstream overhead.
This is what annoys me--Comcast gives you just enough upstream to handle the overhead on d
Re:Bandwidth Gap (Score:2)
Why are the most popular VOIP companies using g.711? I figure they'd be with the times, using g.729 or something similar (we use g.729 for our trunk lines at work to various sites across the country....)
In all, as long as it's hard to tell you're on a lower-bitrate codec, I'm all for it! Gives me back more of my paltry 384kb/sec cable modem upstream bandwidth....
Re:Bandwidth Gap (Score:2)
this licensing is built in to the cost of commercial products such as Cisco Callmanager, but if you want to use something like asterisk, you need to pay a licensing fee to use it. digium (the asterisk guys) sell a $10 g.729 license.
Re:Bandwidth Gap (Score:1)
Re:Bandwidth Gap (Score:1)
Vonage boxes come with 2 voice ports for simultaneously using 2 lines. You can always tune it to use less upstream. I have voice quality turned up all the way.
BandWidth and VOIP (Score:2)
Bandwidth and VOIP applications is obviously subject to a bottleneck limit if the threshhold is too low (less than 128kb up is gonna be tough)
However, 768kbp is WAY more than adequate to satiate the average small office, and is overkill for a family.
My office is 100% VOIP & asterisk.... we currently have 9 VOIP lines running fine (4 vonage, 5 broadvoice... phaing out vonage)
The key here that everyone seems to miss is that bandwidth costs are only aggragate during active phone calls.
Re:Bandwidth Gap (Score:2)
This is enough for great heaping piles of VoIP traffic, particularly after it gets compressed with g.723.1 or GSM or Speex or some other such lossy codec.
I mean: You've got about half of a PRI/E1/T1 in upstream there. And that, sir, is good for about 24 concurrent -uncompressed- digital telephone calls.
How many dozen teenagers do you think you're going to have?
Upstream might be a problem for some things, but consumer VoIP is not among them.
Re:What is SoIP (Score:1)
SoIP? (Score:1)
Servive over IP?
Storage over IP?
or my favorite:
Sex over IP [halfbakery.com]
Stuff over IP? (Score:1)
DoIP (Score:3, Funny)
Collaboration impacts productivity (Score:2)
Where I work, all work is done behind closed doors with "email only" post-it note underneath the name tag. Otherwise you can bet your ass you will see ten PMs and fifteen testers come by because they have nothing better to
Bell System all over again? (Score:2)
Meanwhile, TCP/IP was developped to transfer data, and could run on the same kind of network used by the Bell System, but did not charge either by connection time nor amount of data transferred.
Now, we see people talking about making voice-circuits over pac
just a thought. (Score:1)
Smoking crack (Score:2)
And for that matter, VoIP hasn't yet found its own "killer app" beyond bypassing certain wedged regulatory regimes. The main providers (vonage and the like) really don't provide much more to the
It is not just the "over IP" part that is new. (Score:1)
Oh yeah, and IP is not the best (Score:1)
The sad part is that IP is not necessarily the best network to provide some of these services. There are effectual monopolies over the "last mile" physical networks that we depend on as basic utilities.
For example the copper pair which carries the most basic electrical signaling circuit, a telephone line, is owned by SBC in my area. SBC decides to multiplex the telephone with a DSL circuit and then overlay it with FrameRelay and then IP over that so they can build an Ethernet bridge ove
Re:FP! (Score:1)