Internet Use Grows to 69 Percent of US Adults 245
NickABusey writes "According to Harris Interactive, more than two-thirds, or 69 percent of American adults were internet users last year. This is up from only 56 percent in 1999 and a measley 9 percent in 1995. Perhaps more noteworthy is the increase in users with high-speed Internet connections. In 2001 is was 22 percent, now it is up to 37 percent."
Sounds good, right? Here's the problem... (Score:4, Interesting)
69 percent of US adults use the Internet. Sounds good, right? Here's the problem...
Most of these people probably do not use the Internet for something truly worthwhile. By that I claim that instead of doing research or reading various news sources to gain an unbiased perspective on the world around us, people mostly are just forwarding silly emails, chatting mindlessly with their peers, searching for pornography, and downloading crappy quality pirated music files.
The Internet has changed my life. I have a news source for each aspect of life that I must keep up on. I can read the NY Times, Slashdot, live Associated Press feeds, and much more. I don't have to rely on biased news sources (FOX, anyone?) to brainwash me into a Republican prosumer.
I also used the Internet to first teach myself about programming. A few years ago, I found an Open-Source project and just jumped right in. Using the Web interface, IRC, etc., I was able to teach myself proper C++ coding and Linux system software design. I started my own Linux company last year.
What I'm saying is just that I wish people truly knew what they were doing more with respect to computers and the Internet. I fear that 30% of this 69% sample group probably doesn't even know how to use Google to find Web sites, USENET postings, pictures, news articles, etc. That's truly sad.
I don't mean to champion intellectual pursuits too much. I do agree that the Web and Internet as a whole has a lot to offer in the way of social progress, but as I see test scores continue to drop and standards get lowered for our next generation of children, I can't help but wonder if little things like these could be changed to make all of our futures better and brighter.
Thanks for reading, friend.
Re:Sounds good, right? Here's the problem... (Score:5, Funny)
Right. Because the New York Times, fabricated stories and all, has no bias. *jerk-off motion with hand*
Re:Sounds good, right? Here's the problem... (Score:1, Offtopic)
I'm still looking for a good emoticon for that gesture to use in message forums.
Re:Sounds good, right? Here's the problem... (Score:2)
*jerk-off motion with hand*
Re:Sounds good, right? Here's the problem... (Score:2, Insightful)
Every last one of 'em!
Trick is to recognize the bias and THINK about what is being said. Don't just swallow whatever crap you are being fed, by ANY media outlet. Think for yourself, and don't just read/watch/listed to the news outlets that make you feel better about your own opinion. Open your eyes, and use your very own brain to filter the obvious garbage out of the (admittedly garbage-laden) stream
NYT vs. Fox (Score:2, Insightful)
When fabrications appear on Fox News, we find out about them (if we do at all) from sources other than Fox.
This distinction is to the Times' credit, and speaks to its greater value of journalistic integrity.
Re:NYT vs. Fox (Score:2)
If you are referring to the Jayson Blair affair, if you examine the record carefully you'll find that the NYT times broke the story only after another newspaper, the San Antonio News-Express, raised concerns of plagiarism [timeswatch.org].
I don't know to what you are referring to here, b
Re:Sounds good, right? Here's the problem... (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Sounds good, right? Here's the problem... (Score:5, Insightful)
Or reading and posting on slashdot, but yeah, I see your point.
Here's a point for you to consider: who judges what use is use rather than just fiddling around?
The other interesting bit is how much of this 'use' happens at work...
Re:Sounds good, right? Here's the problem... (Score:1)
Re:Sounds good, right? Here's the problem... (Score:5, Insightful)
100% of those polled when informed of your response replied:
And who the hell is this guy to tell us what is "worth while"?
Re:Sounds good, right? Here's the problem... (Score:2)
Sure, if you take out all those PC's that do menial tasks like handling bar code info for retailers, process orders at Burger King or even crunch numbers at your accountants office, the ratio of Macs to PC's would be way higher.
But for some reason every single PC in existence is added to the equation, which doesn't really reflect the ratio of computers that are actually being used by people doing worthwhile things.
Re:Sounds good, right? Here's the problem... (Score:5, Insightful)
I find it helpful to get news from a variety of sources of all types. The most interesting comparison to me is to see what stories are not covered by a news outlet.
Ranger96
Re:Sounds good, right? Here's the problem... (Score:3, Interesting)
But in the case of FOX news, its the highest degree and simply unacceptable for most of the people. You can see many articles(or comments) which support microsoft in slashdot. You can also see many articles which criticize US actions in Iraq but almost none in FOX. Thats the difference.
Re:Sounds good, right? Here's the problem... (Score:5, Informative)
Google News [google.com] and Technorati [technorati.com] pick from a wide variety of sources and allow you to search news articles. But I sometimes find it hard to find what I want in all the clutter. Plastic [plastic.com] provides moderation and discussion of news, but doesn't have broad coverage. Various RSS aggregators [blogspace.com] allow me to create your own news feed, but they don't have good coverage of mainstream news sources and they're a bit of a pain to set up. There's a couple recent attempts at personalized news -- Findory News [findory.com] is one -- that try to pull news from a broad variety of sources targetted to your interests.
What do you use?
In digging around Plastic (Score:3, Interesting)
"In a written decision, the Court held that the Federal Communications Commission position against news distortion is only a "policy," not a promulgated law, rule, or regulation."
The topic? BHA. The media agency just happened to be Fox Television.
Re:Sounds good, right? Here's the problem... (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Sounds good, right? Here's the problem... (Score:2)
My Yahoo! - seriously... I get the top stories from multiple news sources, collected into a single page. Downside is that you don't see all of the other stories that a particular news outlet is publishing.
Supplemented by a bunch of e-mail newsletters (BBC, CNN, technical rags) and catching up on the latest at Slashdot.
MOD PARENT UP (Score:5, Insightful)
I think it's rather naive to say you get your news from NY Times, AP, Slashdot, etc. rather than biased sources like Fox. ALL news sources of some degree of bias. If you think a news source is un-biased, that just means you agree with whatever bias they demonstrate.
Well said. I almost coughed up my coke when I read the grandparent's assertion that he is getting unbiased news and then proceeds to list a number of American-centric news sources.
Ranger96 is right: all news has some bias. The only thing you can really do is to read news from several widly different sources. And consider including some non-US sources of info such as Al-Jazeera [aljazeera.net] and the BBC [bbc.co.uk]. I'm sure someone will complain that Al-Jazeera is nothing more than a hate-mongering rag but the fact of the matter is that a large portion of the Arab world listens to it. If you want to understand the world, you'd better know what other people are reading because it will shape their worldview.
The most interesting comparison to me is to see what stories are not covered by a news outlet.
That's true but the only way you find out about these articles is through the 'activist' websites of the issue that got ignored. And let's face it: those aren't exactly unbiased sources of info either. I think what you have to do is get as much info as possible and then use some good old fashioned critical thinking to figure out what's REALLY going on. And that's admittedly pretty tough.
GMD
Re:MOD PARENT UP (Score:5, Insightful)
The fact of the matter is that several, if not most, Arab governments think that Al-Jazeera is a shill for the Americans.
Re:MOD PARENT UP (Score:2)
2.) cut out all ads and press releases from businesses.
3.) place these in pile A
4.) cut out all editorials and articles with a perceived bias
5.) sort above into piles based on perceived bias
6.) compare the piles' sizes and wonder if political bias is the problem with mass media
"liberal" media is a myth, as is "conservative" media.
Re:MOD PARENT UP (Score:3, Funny)
You didn't actually read my post, did you?
Bias.. (Score:3, Interesting)
I won't argue that the comments on Slashdot are good and they help balance the bias, but you also have to consider the bias of the audience that comments on Slashdot. Slashdot is 'News for Nerds', and hence those of us that read it, whether we like it or not, have the bias of a somewhat technically literate crowd.
In the real world, some people still buy Microsoft, some get frustrated with Linux, some could care less about Martian rovers on the moon... Maybe the world would be better off if it thought li
A different perspective; a necessary problem (Score:5, Insightful)
Likewise, some of us utilize the Internet for research and keeping abreast of current affairs. Others use it to chat, download files, and play games. We wouldn't see the market penetration we have here without those kinds of features - the entertainment sector, you could say.
Without the housewife chatting with her pals, the kids playing games online, and the hubby downloading his porn, we may not have seen any push to get high-speed lines installed in many areas.
To each his own... (Score:5, Insightful)
However, who are we to judge? My grandmother just turned 82 this year. Her husband also just passed away. I got her a computer and taught her to use the Internet. Right now she knows how to send email, chat over MSN, do her banking, and perform simple google searches. That's all. She isn't churning out homegrown linux apps or discussing religion on usenet, in fact, I'm quite sure she couldn't change the resolution on her monitor. However, it's her lifeline to the outside world. It's given her a reason to not just give up on life.
So, what I'm trying to say that the beauty of the Internet is how it can be so many different things to so many different people.
Why is this a problem? (Score:5, Insightful)
Is it a problem that people went to the movies to watch Rudolph Valentino kiss Theda Bara instead of "Greed?"
Is it a problem that people used radio to listen to Amos 'n Andy rather than to the speeches of great statesmen?
Is it a problem that people used advances in color printing technology to subscribe to "Playboy" rather than "American Heritage?"
Is it a problem that people used vinyl LP's to listen to Elvis Presley albums instead of "Die Meistersinger von Nurnburg?"
Is it a problem that people used cable TV to watch MTV instead of C-SPAN?
Because, if these are problems... boy, have we got problems.
Re:Why is this a problem? (Score:4, Insightful)
We got problems.
Ignorance, lack of intellectual curiousity, or outright anti-intellectualism are, and have been for a long time, big problems.
They get worse the more "democratic" a society becomes.
Ray Bradbury warned us about this more than 50 years ago. ("Fahrenheit 451--which is really less about censorship than it is about the dumbing down of society, and the rising resentment of the power of knowledge by anti-intellectualists).
However, I agree with your implied point that the Internet is far from the only "underutilized" medium.
Re:Sounds good, right? Here's the problem... (Score:2)
How hard is this? Go to Google.com, enter key words, enter, enjoy! And why do I "have" to know how to do this? Couldn't I use an another search engine?
>USENET postings,
Yes, Usenet, that treasure trove of insightful commentary. People have moved on to bloggs and websites like this one. Usenet, while excellent for binaries, still has a horrific signal to noise.
>pictures, news articles, etc.
How does one use pictures?
Re:Sounds good, right? Here's the problem... (Score:5, Insightful)
The Internet is fantastic. It has changed my life too: I have made friends over the Internet; I have the career I have because I fell in love with web design; I started two online magazines; and I spend probably two hours per day reading news and commentary from around the world. It still blows my mind how much better informed I can be thanks to the fact that I can read blogs from Iran, newspapers from India, etc.
But I also use the Internet to forward silly emails, chat mindlessly with peers, to search for pornography, and download crappy quality music files. In other words, to have fun.
It's great to be engaged intellectually with things that interest you, but it's also a fundamental human right to goof off.
No matter what technologies we invent, not everyone is going to want to program, read the news all day, or found a business. People have other interests, and that's fine.
Listen, I'm horrible at sports, I don't know the first thing about plumbing, I have no idea how to fix a car, and I'd rather buy take-out than learn to cook. Does this make me a bad person? Am I a lesser person because I am not engaged enough to learn how a car works? No, of course not! It just means that I have different interests from others, and I should be able to follow my interests just as much as they can follow theirs.
Note 1: Your case would be a lot more convincing if you didn't make it while posting to Slashdot! Shouldn't you be coding or informing yourself, rather than goofing off?
Note 2: Your case would also be a lot more convincing if you didn't make the argument that the Internet is a failure because it hasn't shown everyone that the Republicans are bad. One of the great advantages for me of the Internet is that it has expanded my news sources past the traditional left-wing sources that I read on paper (like the New York Times) to centrist (Washington Post) and conservative sources (like the National Review and Weekly Standard). I've become more, not less conservative, as the result of reading the Internet. It is objectively true that the Internet expands the range of sources we have our fingertips, but it is extremely subjective to say that having access to more sources makes you more liberal.
Re:Sounds good, right? Here's the problem... (Score:1)
Where are these numbers coming from? 30 % of 69 %, yea and i'm 76.3 % sure your figure is off. i agree, it's fair to say that there are varing degrees of internet savy, but that's usually determined by users needs. think about it, does a cow really need google? no, it needs grass and water(sorry about the cow metaphor, i'm from wi).
It is the SELECTION of news that's changing... (Score:4, Insightful)
Instead of turning on the 5:00 news report, most of us pick and choose who we go to for our news.
I do not think that your assertion that FOX News is any more biased than the NY Times is correct. It is ignorant and naive to think that any newsmedia is objective.
The Europeans have known this for years; what is wrong with the Americans that we have this notion that the press is somehow objective (or should be objective)?
Is Slashdot objective? No! But, we read it because we like it and it entertains us. Same thing with the newsmedia.
You now have the ability to pick what you want, when you want it, how you want it, from the perspective you want, etc.
News has become a commodity and the means of producing it have diversified.
Re:Sounds good, right? Here's the problem... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Sounds good, right? Here's the problem... (Score:3, Insightful)
An interesting point of view, but... so what? 99% of households in the US have a television receiver and access to programming. Most of those people do not use their television exclusively for something truly worthwhile. 97% of households in the US have telephone service. Most of those people do not use their telephone exclusively for
Re:Sounds good, right? Here's the problem... (Score:3, Insightful)
All news sources are biased. Ny Times and AP have a democrate leaning, Fox has a republican one. Degrees are there over course, I won't argue that. However you are presenting things as if you don't question AP and NyTimes, and that is dangerious. Everyone has an agenda, and it is impossibal to avoid it. There is no way to be unbiased, not presenting a fringe side is biased, while presenting it may give it far too much credit.
If the above are biases you can live with, that is just fine, but always r
Re:Sounds good, right? Here's the problem... (Score:2)
I hope you're not getting your Microsoft news here.
Re:Sounds good, right? Here's the problem... (Score:2, Interesting)
I agree with everything you said, except for the quote above. It really bugs me when people complain about biased news-sources. Of course they're biased, everyone is biased, no one approaches anything nuetrally. The best way t
Re:Sounds good, right? Here's the problem... (Score:2)
And many of these are the same people that have denigrated the telephone. Rather than using it for noble purposes, they call
Re:Sounds good, right? Here's the problem... (Score:2)
And? This is still an example of how the open source nature of the internet makes more things possible, and more effective t
slashdot, the basition of unbiasness. (Score:5, Interesting)
Their bias is in their slogan: "News for Nerds. Stuff that matters." Its biased towards the "Nerds" group and someone has to make a decision on what "matters" and what doesn't.
Re:slashdot, the basition of unbiasness. (Score:4, Informative)
This is why I wish there were more discussion sites where it wasn't just groupthink plus a few flamers. I don't think it's a problem of people not liking to hear other people points of view (I think when you talk with most people, if presented in the right way, they'll listen to it even if they continue to disagree). But many people dislike arguments and people get their egos bruised too easily. Discussions get out of hand and people love being praised.
And the baises get reinforced. People discredit other sites/groups/whole organizations that disagree and animosity on all sides increases. And slowly people wonder to themselves, when did the madness ensue and why? As with most relationships, it's a matter of communication. And the lack of proper communication of ideas leads to bias, disagreement and sometimes worse.
Re:slashdot, the basition of unbiasness. (Score:2)
Which, IMHO, is what makes
Re:slashdot, the basition of unbiasness. (Score:2)
Hey, you knockin' ol'
This is my bazzar of bizzare for my Nerd-News needs.
Woa...
Maybe I do need a morewell-rounded and wholesome news feed.
[Quickly loads unsenet reader...]
[..and eyebrows burnt off by 3 simultanious, realtime, cross-posted flame wars about relgious floor tiles.]
Maybe not...
Re:slashdot, the basition of unbiasness. (Score:2)
That not biased, that just poor taste.
Re:Sounds good, right? Here's the problem... (Score:2)
I don't know how anyone gets anything useful done with all of that running.
Well Yeah... (Score:4, Funny)
Well yeah, looking at porn sucks with dial up.
Re:Well Yeah... (Score:2)
ah... wait... nevermind.
Time to apply... (Score:5, Funny)
Norvig's Law [norvig.com]!!!
Any technology that surpasses 50% penetration
will never double again
(in any number of months).
Re:Time to apply... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Time to apply... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Time to apply... (Score:1)
Looks like Mr Norvigs law is now just a theorem at best.
Re:Time to apply... (Score:2)
One Word (Score:1, Interesting)
Three words: (Score:1)
Re:One Word (Score:1)
Thats a whole lot more than one word. Whew!
High Speed (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:High Speed (Score:1)
But, keeping things in perspective, the SBC and AOL deals are relatively young and if this same study is done in a couple years I would expect more then 50% to be on high speed connections. The downfall of course is that this puts even more infected Windows machines on connections that will allow
69%? Someone has to say it (Score:4, Funny)
Re:69%? Someone has to say it (Score:2)
Darnit...I was hoping that I could get to it first. It is pretty funny that it has to be that one particular number. In fact, it was a 1 in 100 chance...
Wish for more data (Score:2)
Lot more could be done if you had a more info
one surprising, and one not so surprising tidbit (Score:5, Interesting)
It's not surprising that 60% are college students. Considering the root of the internet to academic insitutions.
And while it's not surprising only 7% are over 65, considering that constitutes over 10 million, I'd say that there are plenty of old people using the internet. Granted, that might still be a small percentage of the number of old people alive in the US, but 10M is nothing to scoff at.
Considering that many old people tend to be conservative and how many people online use email and get porn spam, I'm surprised the politicians don't take a firmer stand. I would assume this based would really support tougher legislation than what's being proposed.
Re:one surprising, and one not so surprising tidbi (Score:2)
Highest consumer of porn, baby.
Re:one surprising, and one not so surprising tidbi (Score:4, Interesting)
And I wonder what the ratio of porn downloads are of college students versus everyone else. With the high-speed connections, I'm sure college students consume the most bandwidth. But I'm also sure that they're not consumers (in financial terms) anywhere to the same degree as they are file-traders.
Old people (Score:2)
He's also a New Deal Democrat.
Re:one surprising, and one not so surprising tidbi (Score:2)
In Other News . . . (Score:5, Funny)
Re:In Other News . . . (Score:2)
More Statistics (Score:3, Informative)
Here [cia.gov]'s a list of how many internet users there are in each county. No percentages though, which would have been more interesting.
Re:More Statistics (Score:3, Funny)
Re:More Statistics (Score:2)
Those three nations combined make up over 100M but still about 50M less people. That could easily change within a year or two. Could we see more integration, or will
high speed increases not dialup (Score:3, Funny)
Also if you take into account all those popup ads advertising porn, or increasing penis size or what have you, you'd bet that MOST internet traffic is download of some sort, I'd guess porn. However there are plenty of other useful things to waste your bandwidth on.. like uhhmm... ok lets see here. For example when you hmm.. nevermind. I can't think of anything.
Content vs. Image (Score:4, Insightful)
But for all this marketing-driven drivel, it seems that little substance has been added to the internet. Think about how much text-based content you could download, compared to the fancy ill-designed un-navigatable front page so many companies use now.
It's symbiotic. More people get high-speed to see the pretty pictures, and more companies use pretty pictures to appease the high-speed people.
Re:Content vs. Image (Score:2)
The other day I was looking at mini-ipods on the apple site. You can download PDF stat sheets, a few high-res
Moore's law (Score:1)
Re:Moore's law (Score:2)
Of course... (Score:1)
w00t! (Score:1)
Jokes (Score:3, Funny)
who are these 31% (Score:3, Interesting)
did you make that up? (Score:2)
Hrm... (Score:2, Insightful)
Sounds to me like the non-adults using the net in '95 have grown up and are now counted as adults.
9 percent seems high (Score:2, Interesting)
That seems a little high. The internet was still a hard-core geek-toy in 95. Most people interested in on-line stuff used proprietary services like CompuServe, AOL, Prodigy, etc. Perhaps they are counting office email.
Re:9 percent seems high (Score:1)
And of the 69% of Adults who use the Internet, probably 80% of them use AOheLl from home to access the Internet. This means that 55% of all adults use AOL when accessing the Internet (especially from Home). This explains why over 80% of the Internet is filled with inane, vapid and hollow content.
Adults versus Grown-Ups (Score:5, Funny)
Alas, only 63% of adults were grown-ups last year.
-kgj
Wooo (Score:5, Funny)
Last month I installed a firewall and updated his anti-virus. I asked him why he had them both disabled, he said "My favorite web site requires me to have these turned off at all times."
With my wife (his daughter) in the room I didn't really say anything, but before we left I explained to him in private that his favorite web site has been installing viruses and spyware on his PC...then I gave him a few tips on how to find reputable pr0n.
I hope next year 99% of all US citizens are online, I'm going to be starting up a zombie network to punish evil terrorists and i'll need the boxen.
Re:Wooo (Score:4, Funny)
Was that to keep her in the dark about his porn habits, or yours?
Re:Wooo (Score:2)
You are an outstanding son-in-law that any man would gladly give his daughter to.
Oh, sweet merciful Lord (Score:3, Funny)
I've never been married, but please for the love of God tell me that this is not something I'll ever be expected to explain to a father-in-law.
It's the birds-and-bees conversation, gone horribly horribly wrong.
3 out of 10 don't use the internet. (Score:2, Interesting)
so cool!
i'm trying to figure out the other 31%. three out of ten adults have never used the internet.
"Yeah, that whole internet thing... i mean, i've heard about it, but don't really know what it's all about. something about some dots and coms. the whole thing just seems too confusing to me!" Annie Jenkins, domestic engineer, 37 y.o. - part of the other 31%.
What? You mean Adults use the Internet? (Score:2)
Grandma?! (Score:2, Funny)
Not to mention when recently I discovered the guy almost beating me at a railgun level in Quake2 was 61!
The internet isn't just for us darned bbs'ing kids to idle on irc and download warez anymore... *sigh*
Makes you wonder (Score:2)
The thing they always leave out (Score:5, Funny)
Progress, baby!
find more free uses of internet (Score:2, Insightful)
The Internet, (Score:2)
The broadband statistic I'd REALLY like to see... (Score:3, Interesting)
In my neighborhood (Bowie, MD, USA) DSL doesn't work (we're behind a digital switch - hell, normal dialup never goes over 28 kbaud), so our broadband options are Comcast or satellite. Satellite has unacceptable latency for my purposes (ssh), so it's Comcast. Their terms of service suck - servers of any kind are illegal (currently tolerated by the network, but they could change that anytime). I'd vote with my feet, but there's no alternative short of my own T1.
Re:The broadband statistic I'd REALLY like to see. (Score:2)
You don't need high-speed for ssh. You don't need low latency for most web pages or file transfers.
I've got to get a satellite connection because sat and dialup are my only options, but I'll be building a linux box in pretty short order to do dial-on-demand for ssh connections. Everything else gets routed over the sat. With Earthlink you get 10 hours or so of dial-up included w
Huh? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Huh? (Score:1)
Exactly, someone's got to be the adults around here...
Re:P2p usage?? (Score:1)
In the UK where BT tracks demand for braodband it's supprising how high the demand is in areas where there is a large over 60's retired population..
Re:Can we have some real data please? (Score:3, Informative)
Actually, you'd be surprised. You don't need a large sample size to run an accurate poll. Look at Gallop and Zogby polls covering elections for an example of this. A poll can be done using a sample size of only a few hundred, yet it will fairly accurately reflect the real-world results.
This is, of course, assuming that the poll is done as scientifically as it shou