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OpenAI's Board Approached Anthropic CEO About Top Job and Merger 30

According to The Information (paywalled), OpenAI's board of directors approached rival Anthropic's CEO about replacing Sam Altman and potentially merging the two AI startups. Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei declined on both fronts. Reuters reports: The news, reported earlier by The Information on Monday, follows various reported calls to find Altman's successor days after OpenAI's board ousted him. [...] The co-founders of Anthropic, who were also executives at OpenAI until 2020, had broken from their employer over disagreements regarding how to ensure AI's safe development and governance. Anthropic has won investments from Alphabet's Google and Amazon.com. Its Claude AI models have vied for prominence with OpenAI's GPT series.
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OpenAI's Board Approached Anthropic CEO About Top Job and Merger

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  • by Rosco P. Coltrane ( 209368 ) on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @01:09AM (#64020463)

    OpenAI sold out to Microsoft, former OpenAI dudes sold out to Google and Amazon... Great bunch.

    I know you can't do AI without the kind of resources the aforementioned monopolies can line up. I know... But it really feels like the future belongs only to them and it's not a nice feeling.

    • by Luke has no name ( 1423139 ) <{fox} {at} {cyberfoxfire.com}> on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @02:27AM (#64020585)

      Right? I'm looking for the "good guys" here, defined by me as "wanting the long term best for humanity and finding ways to stifle or discourage the worst uses of AI".

      And in the past 96 hours, I have no idea who to root for.

      • by KlomDark ( 6370 ) on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @02:54AM (#64020597) Homepage Journal
        Weirdly, fully unexpected, I think it's best to root for Mark Zuckerberg for making LLama available to anyone who wants to download it and run it themselves. Not the best, but you can do anything you want with it. Just need the dataset and some code...

        https://github.com/SciSharp/LLamaSharp [github.com]
        • by Rei ( 128717 )

          LLaMA's license is kind of insidious and clever. Basically:

          * Hey, here's a free model!
          * You can even use it for commercial use!** (*tiny* caveat in a bit)
          * You can change it and redistribute it, so long as your changes are also LLaMA-licensed (hey, that's open-sourcey, right?)

          That's the sort of thing that will tend to make a model get widely used if it's good, as everyone builds off each other's. But then:

          * If you generate outputs from it, they can only be used to train other LLaMA models.

          . .... which the

          • by cowdung ( 702933 )

            Are you able to use Falcon 40B with a reasonable GPU such as a 4090? Or do you need a A100 to play?

            • by Rei ( 128717 )

              Yes, you need to use a quantized GGUF. In my experience, Q3_K_M will fit with a high batch size (2048) and the full number of tokens (2048). You might be able to do a Q4_K_S or possibly even more with low batch sizes and reduced token counts. I find the degradation vs. non-quantized models to be minimal. IMHO, there's no reason to NOT run models quantized at least somewhat. Quantization even makes inference faster.

              (Sorry for the delay!)

              • In case you're not sure how to read that:

                Q#: how many bits are used on the majority of the weights

                S, M, L: small, medium, or large: whether the other weights use 0, 1, or 2 extra bits relative to the Q number.

          • by KlomDark ( 6370 )
            I still think that is a good thing. Do whatever you want for free, then if you start making serious money on it then you're obligated to invest in LLama's improvements. Sounds fair to me, and I detest Meta.
      • by ls671 ( 1122017 )

        Seems to me like they think they have a gem and are trying to profit from it as much as possible. Maybe concentrate on the product instead of all those latest tergiversations. I mean, this must be the 100th article published on Slashdot about said tergiversations. CEO goes, CEO is coming back, new CEO, etc. etc. etc. Who cares? CEO are mostly the image the companies want you to have of them.

      • It's either: you root for OpenAI's board, if you believe their side of the story, or you root for no one because they're the only ones who are even pretending to care.
    • > OpenAI sold out to Microsoft, former OpenAI dudes sold out to Google and Amazon... Great bunch.

      They are our best and brightest AI experts, ready to be bought by the highest bidder.
    • It seems to me more like the AI bubble is about to burst and the rats are leaving ship. GPT4 is just GPT3 with eye candy, GPT3 wasnâ(TM)t much better than its predecessor and the actual cost of running and training these models far exceeds what people expect vs the value they bring. GitHub CoPilot is great at building some boilerplate template but developers have seen through its limitations and at some point beyond the first day of a project I end up disabling it because the suggestions start to be co

  • Was this all a cheap way for MS to get all of OpenAI before it got a large concrete valuation? Bit of a whispering campaign in the ears of a board member or two?

    • Cheap? No.

      MS stock dropped 16% on the news of OpenAI firing Altman. It has since mostly recovered, on the rumors of Altman joining Microsoft along with most of his former employees, although it remains unstable. But that was a huge nut-punch to Microsoft stockholders.

      • by ratbag ( 65209 )

        Cheaper than the $86B figure that was being touted is what I was getting at. And the end result is that they've got the bulk of the personnel and none of the debts or other corporate paraphernalia. The stock drop is ephemeral as you said. Stock_holders_ wouldn't be bothered, only speculators.

        But I'm just spit-balling, don't mind me.

  • The board of directors is negotiating mergers and stuff? The board is too powerful and not invested enough. OpenAI needs a goddam conductor.

  • ... is the strange design that has a non-profit overseeing a for-profit. The former is trying to attenuate progress while the latter is going for the money. I think the best solution is for the profitable entity to get rid of the non-profit drag chute.

    Artificial intelligence is not a religion - it's a money-maker.

    • The board apparently decided that no progress was the safest kind of progress. So they nuked the company. Threat eliminated.

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