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A Former Microsoftie Forecasts Microsoft Doom 1015

Chris Holland writes "Jeff Reifman, a columnist for Seattle Weekly, has written a toe-curling editorial analysis of Microsoft's past and current missed opportunities, contrasted with its financial success, while covering in fair depth some of the most serious threats to their business model. Beyond the many choice quotes, I've found this article to be a very interesting read from somebody who has not only been on the inside, but also significantly developed his professional career thru Microsoft solutions."
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A Former Microsoftie Forecasts Microsoft Doom

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  • In other news, (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Outatime ( 108039 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @09:17AM (#9324602)
    Microsoft is going to die? *BSD has supposedly been on that road for years! Maybe MS could learn a thing or two from the resilience of *BSD.
  • Thru?!? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by avalys ( 221114 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @09:18AM (#9324612)
    ...significantly developed his professional career thru Microsoft solutions

    THRU?!? What kind of site are you guys running?

    How hard is it to keep these lazy-teenager abbreviations out of the stories?
  • by dark404 ( 714846 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @09:21AM (#9324639)
    This is just Mac/Anti-MS propaganda. He even starts out with the standard windows is so unstable I have to reboot all the time! Which is not nearly true anymore as XP remains perfectly stable for weeks on end. The last time I've rebooted this machine was when the power went out.

    I also love the later part of the article when this "Andrew" person expounds on how wonderful OS X is... compared to Windows98! wtf.

    Hating MS is one thing, but at least be fair about it.
  • Assumptions (Score:5, Insightful)

    by pubjames ( 468013 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @09:21AM (#9324640)

    The article seems to make the assumption that Microsoft got where it is today by having the best products. That's a big mistake. Even if we go back to it's roots and compare DOS with the other operating systems of the time, we see that MS was selling rubbish compared to what the others were.

    MS got where it is today by being extremely agressive in defeating its competitors, mostly through business tactics than superior products.

  • Uh huh (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Hassman ( 320786 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @09:22AM (#9324648) Journal
    Please. Any employee of any company can find the internal flaws and missed oppertunities. I work for a large insurance company and eventhough I'm just a peon, I see several flaws and problems that could easily be avoided. But then again, I see lots of things done very well and successfully.

    This is just a case of dwelling on the negative. Another employee could write the completely opposite review of MS and it would be every bit as convinsing.

    The problem with a comentary is that it is generally correct ... if you just look at the points being made. The other problem with a comentary is that the opposite is usually just as correct. A person can make a convincing argument from any view point, but ultimatly it is the actions of the company that say whether it is true or not.

    In MS case, I'm sure they have done many things wrong and missed many oppertunities...yet they continue to make lots and lots and lots of cash. Therefore, this guy can say anything he wants, but it won't change the fact that MS is *definitely* doing things 'right'.
  • by Penguinisto ( 415985 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @09:23AM (#9324660) Journal
    They may well fall more like the Romans than the Nazis - by transmorgrifying into another powerful entity that dominates the whole of what it surveys, such as the way the Roman Imperium became the Roman Papacy that held sway over all of Medieval Europe.

    My biggest reason for saying this involves the fact that Microsoft is also too large to just topple outright, and there is too much of the industry tied up in Windows technology for it to just suddenly become irrelevant, not to mention all the legacy apps and documents that'll require continued support no matter what OS or technology eventually rises to new dominance (.doc, ferinstance.)

    I guess that, even as an admitted Linux/Mac partisan, Microsoft isn't just going to die in some Nazi-ish 'Gates-eating-a-bullet-in-a-Redmond-bunker' gotterdammerung, as much as it will just become something else, and still hold sway to some extent after it does.

    So yeah - out of the two examples you picked, I'd pick the Roman one as being the one most likely to come true.

  • by Hassman ( 320786 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @09:25AM (#9324676) Journal
    I laughed out loud at that part. Apples and oranges. It's like saying that Chevy is a better car company than Ford because the Corvette is faster than the Model T.
  • by SilentChris ( 452960 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @09:25AM (#9324684) Homepage
    Recently purchased an OS X machine (iBook). Had been messing around with the system off and on for a few years on the company's art department computers. It's good, but it isn't the panacea this guy (and others) make it out to be.

    Every OS excels at something. Mac (still) excels at useability. UNIX stability. Windows excels at recognizing just about any piece of hardware or software I've thrown at it in the last 15 years.

    If you think about it, Windows isn't THAT bad. I can't think of a single OS that runs the breadth of programs Windows does from so many years of computing. Sure, console apps still work the same in Linux as they did in UNIX from decades ago, and you can (sometimes) get Mac to run applications prior to OS 7, but there have been a number of times I've loaded up DOS programs from the 80s in Windows XP and was surprised they run more or less perfectly (even when the original app expected full control over the computer).

    I think, and others can probably vouch for this, the allure of Mac OS in particular kind of wanes after a few weeks of using it. Again, excellent GUI, but there's definitely a feeling (misguided, I think) that Windows "has" to be bad because it's used everywhere. This doesn't translate to some other consumer products (PS2, anyone) so I'm not sure why geeks hate Windows in particular. Do we hate it because we perceive everyone else hates it (the same way people who use MacOS love it more because everyone else who uses it loves it)? Probably something to bring up in a psychology class.
  • by IANAAC ( 692242 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @09:29AM (#9324708)
    Andrews hasn't upgraded his PC from Windows 98 or Office 2000. "I'd just as soon have a stable operating system--my time is more important."

    Windows 98 was never a stable system (unless the only thing you compare it to is Windows 95).

    The guy should at least give XP a shot (hell, even 2000)... infinitely more stable than any of the Windows 9x series.

  • The reason (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Mr_Silver ( 213637 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @09:29AM (#9324713)
    Technology is my hobby as well as my job, so I regularly ponder why software giant Microsoft Corp., which has more than $56 billion in cash, hasn't solved more of these problems.

    Because time and time again (and not just in IT), if you have someone with a significant market lead, they have a tendency to procrastinate because of the lack of threatening competition.

    Microsoft doesn't need to fix these issues because there is no viable enough competitor which is affecting their market share enough to make them worry.

  • Which is not nearly true anymore as XP remains perfectly stable for weeks on end.

    Ah, you and I must be running different versions. I have to multiple times, daily. It's not nessecarily the OS itself causing the crash, but for the last time: an application SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BRING THE SYSTEM DOWN.

  • by torpor ( 458 ) <ibisum.gmail@com> on Thursday June 03, 2004 @09:30AM (#9324729) Homepage Journal
    Yes, Microsoft may be doomed, I thought everybody here has predicted it already. Why do you people care so much?

    This is a false perception. Not everyone on slashdot wants Microsoft to fail, or is predicting it. Just the most vocal members.

    You don't hear from "pro-Microsoft" people, simply because the "anti-MS" people are louder, more 'righteous', and more willing to aubse their essential liberties in order to start a flame war.

    I believe that most 'sane' geeks truly understand that Microsoft is a company, like any other, and performs under traditional company rules ... pretty well, too.

    But times are changing, and the discourse you may observe on these times, here at /., is intended to give us all a picture of what may come to pass ... not what will ...

    I detest Microsoft. I haven't used their products in years, and I stopped purchasing anything that will in any way give them more control over the computing industry. But, if they were to change their ways, and demonstrate that as a group (rather large), they are capable of cleaning up their act, I would give them a second chance.

    But not until "ms_windows.tar.gz" cleanly compiles, straight off the 'net, with my own compiler (not theirs) ... heh heh ...
  • by dioscaido ( 541037 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @09:31AM (#9324750)
    From the article:

    Why are Microsoft products so endlessly frustrating to use? Even techno-geeks like me get annoyed by Windows. I'm tired of spending the first 10 minutes of my day rebooting just so I can get to work. Microsoft Outlook 2003, the latest version of the company's e-mail and calendar software, hangs for me about once a day, requiring me to restart my PC. I also have a problem with Word 2003: Whenever I bullet a line of text, every line in the document gets a bullet. Asking Windows to shut down is more of a request than a command--it might, it might not. And recently, Internet Explorer stopped opening for me.

    It looks like the author needs to stop running Windows 98...

    Seriously, what ridiculously mismanaged system is he running? I reboot my win2k and XP systems maybe once a month, if that.

    How many startup services does he have that his reboot takes 10 minutes? On my 800mhz machine (ancient by todays standards) reboot is 2-3 minutes, tops.

    Although I've stopped using outlook and IE, in favor of mozilla and thunderbird, in the few times I have to use the apps for compatibility, I never experience instability.

    Yes, MS products aren't perfect, but I hate it when people dishonestly paint Window's systems as if they crashed every 10 minutes just to make their point that XXX alternate system is better. OSX is sweet. Linux rocks. But WinXP is also a great system.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 03, 2004 @09:34AM (#9324782)
    "My OS hangs and bullets don't work in word and the shutdown hangs so I bought a Mac which is great"

    It sounds like the haters are still critisizing win98. Nothing to see here. Move along.
  • by millahtime ( 710421 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @09:38AM (#9324808) Homepage Journal
    This seems like a similar problem to IBM years ago. IBM was no longer looking to the needs of the customer, missing the good business opportunities and loosing business right and left. They took a better part of the 90s' to turn it around with new management. They had to change the attitude and mindset there. Maybe M$ should take some pointers.
  • by PatHMV ( 701344 ) <post@patrickmartin.com> on Thursday June 03, 2004 @09:44AM (#9324853) Homepage
    20 years ago, the competition was between Microsoft, Wordperfect, and Lotus for office and e-mail applications. Being the early, carefree days of mass computing, the competitive focus was on offering more and more new features. Microsoft won that battle (unfairly, I think, but it did win). While that war was going on, nobody paid much attention to security and stability. Then for the next 10 years, Microsoft was largely in competition with itself (for desktop personal and business purposes), making money from upgrades and the sale of new computers. Here's where I think Microsoft got soft. They branched out into new and ultimately unproductive product types. They focused exclusively on new features that would give the average user a reason to shell out for an upgrade. They continued to use predatory pricing to insure that computer buyers had to pay for their OS (and maybe even their office software) whether they wanted it or not. Now, even free software can have a very advanced feature set. The competitive factors are security and reliability, not new features. Microsoft is suffering because it did not see this coming in time to really start competing in this arena. Their existing code base is so huge that even though Gates said a couple of years ago they were freezing everything to focus on security, they still haven't managed to track down all possible sources even of "buffer overflow" errors, much less all the other security holes. Linux doesn't have to make a huge hit on the desktop to cost Microsoft a lot of money. All it has to do is get enough users to make it economically worthwhile to the computer vendors to tell Microsoft that they will NOT sign the licensing agreement requiring them to bundle Windows and Office with every single computer they sell. Once that happens, then the competition will really start to open up again.
  • by funkdid ( 780888 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @09:50AM (#9324913)
    I also use many OS's and I have these observations:

    You site Mac "OS X [as having the greatest] usability, UNIX [the greatest] stability"....

    OSX has a BSd base. Wouldn't that give OSX the greatest usability and many features from the system with the greatest stability? (Cause let's be honest even with the BSD base, unix it is not)

    Where I think MAC OSX really beats out the competition is that it is finally a desktop *nix (kind of, stay with me here). Forever on /. I have been reading articles about *nix on the desktop. Is it ready? When will it be ready? How long until it's viable? Etc etc etc. Well here is a flavor of Unix that you can sit grandma in front of and she can have it mastered enough to do what she wants without any intervention from you. It's hands down more intuitive then any of it's rivals. Oh yeah and it's got a pretty sweet GUI.

    What I don't get is the MAC bashing. In my experience MACs (pre-OS X) did not meet the claims. They crashed, and I didn't find it to be the greatest computing experience. I prefer windows to any pre OSX system. However, with OS X many of my issues were resolved, for example:

    Lack of Software - now I can run any *nix app

    Stability - *nix *nix *nix

    Another issue I find is that Windows users know Windows, and well. (At least us /.'ers) For the people I know who are tech savy, to sit at a computer and not know what they are doing is frustrating. So instead of them saying "I should learn how to use this OS", they say "MACs suck, I hate macs. This is stupid." Etc.

    I guess I'm asking why do windows users hate MACs? How many Windows users have used a MAC, and I mean used a MAC. Anyone have a founded reason? Or just "They're slow" - not true. "They're too expensive" - not going to argue, but maybe if they gave them out for free, and a pony....

  • Re:Nice treatise (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Paradise Pete ( 33184 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @09:51AM (#9324923) Journal
    No, you are not a techno geek if you cannot get your windows machine stable.

    He didn't say he was a techno geek. He's a typical person trying to get his work done. And why does he have "get it" stable? Why isn't it already that way?

    TAKE A COURSE IN MS OFFICE!
    If he has to take a course to learn how to use bullets in a word processor, something's wrong with that software.

  • Re:Weak article (Score:2, Insightful)

    by stratjakt ( 596332 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @09:52AM (#9324932) Journal
    It's just zealot bullshit.

    Why are Microsoft products so endlessly frustrating to use? Even techno-geeks like me get annoyed by Windows. I'm tired of spending the first 10 minutes of my day rebooting just so I can get to work. Microsoft Outlook 2003, the latest version of the company's e-mail and calendar software, hangs for me about once a day, requiring me to restart my PC. I also have a problem with Word 2003: Whenever I bullet a line of text, every line in the document gets a bullet. Asking Windows to shut down is more of a request than a command--it might, it might not. And recently, Internet Explorer stopped opening for me.

    IF YOU CANT USE WINDOWS, DO NOT CALL YOURSELF A COMPUTER EXPERT

    It's not Microsofts fault he cant format a document in word, and that he installed Bonzi Buddy or some other bullshit that's crashing IE. The last time any version of windows refused to shut down for me was Win ME, and it was because of Creative's widely-known-to-be-shit soundblaster drivers conflicting with the onboard chip built into the motherboard.

    I haven't rebooted the XP machine in my office in months. I come in, hack around all day in Vis Studio and SQL Server, and leave.

    I'm just so tired of hearing this shit. A journalist computer expert who doesn't know how to do bullets in Word. Sheesh. Hell, if he can't use Word he won't be able to use OpenOffice either, since it works pretty much the same way.

    I have no great love for Word. Clippy annoys me as much as anyone. But for crying out loud.

    How about an article like this:

    I built Samba against the wrong SSL libraries and now it segfaults when I try to auth against LDAP over SSL. I followed a cookbook to set up TLS so I don't know which file is the client cert, CA cert or what.

    I also screwed around with my PAM config and now I can't log in! I really hate spending 10 minutes each day using my friends Windows box to google to remember how to start in singleuser mode and fix PAM to use /etc/shadow.

    Therefore, linux really sucks and will be irrelevant real soon now.

    I just hate this type of zealot idiocy.
  • by gstoddart ( 321705 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @09:54AM (#9324941) Homepage
    In other words, TAKE A COURSE IN MS OFFICE! No, you are not a techno geek if you cannot get your windows machine stable. Especially if you cannot start IE anymore. My god, what a dweeb.


    Oh no. Because surely if someone who spent 10 friggin' years at Microsoft has problems with the software he must be at fault.

    Cause clearly in that many years he never would have had occasion to actually put in bullet text into a document before. And surely he'd never have occasion to double click on the IE icon and have it launch.

    I cry horse-shit!! As much as the Microsoft fans and apologists would have us believe that Windows never apparently does something with no understandable reason, I would argue that for the vast majority of the rest of us random flaky behaviour is exactly what we've come to expect.

    Over the years I've seen dozens of examples where all of the Kings Techo-Geeks and all the Kings Men standing around a windows box with bad behaviour finally decide to backup what they can and re-install the damned thing because *nobody* can come up with a plausible explaination for what the heck is happening.

    Saying in sneering tones that he couldn't possibly be a techno-geek doesn't support your argument in any way.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 03, 2004 @09:55AM (#9324950)
    I see a slight flaw in the logic of Microsoft's downfall any time soon: For now most PC games are made exclusively for Windows, which means though many people will be converting to an open source environment, there will still be a large dependancy on windows. IMO until game developers start to make games multi-OS, microsoft will be here for a long time to come...

    Though, granted, most gamers just pirate Windows anyway, so there wouldn't be TOO much revenue from it >)
  • by eltoyoboyo ( 750015 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @09:55AM (#9324953) Journal
    Transferring your files from an old computer to a new computer on any sort of migration is a pain. I do not see how Mr. Reifman found that task any easier going from Windows [98?] to Mac OS X. And he sure does not say in the article how it was accomplished. When he says "one step migration" does he mean that simply the Windows "Documents and Settings" folders get copied? Or does "one step migration" mean that Windows finds my copy of Eudora and moves the mailboxes and address books?

    Mr Reifman's curriculum vitae and cover letter were much too long-winded. Next candidate...
  • Re:First paragraph (Score:5, Insightful)

    by RAMMS+EIN ( 578166 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @09:57AM (#9324970) Homepage Journal
    ``I'd love to see someone factor that kind of crap in in a Total Cost of Ownership study.''

    And that, my friend, is a *very* good point. During the time that your system is unusable, you still get paid, but you can't deliver. In an office where people earn > $ 100 per hour, reboot once a day (taking 10 minutes), and lose some time because an essential server is down for a few (let's say 2) hours total each week, that's more than $ 300 per person per week. I have been to such places; I'm not pulling this out of thin air. And that's not even taking into account the occasional virus.
  • by Reeses ( 5069 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @09:57AM (#9324979)
    >10. One-step migration of files and programs to a new computer.

    10. Who'd do this ? It's Microsoft choice never to open their API, they won't do it because they own 95% of the market and then only 5% of the public, mostly people used to obtaining soft for free, would care.


    I think what he's referring to is the ability of most OS X and Unix users to set up a new machine, copy their home folder/directory to it, log out, log in, and all you files and settings are magically moved from one machine to the other. One step machine migration: Copy.

    Try that in Windows. With settings tied to registry entries, and applications that put settings files all over the place, copying the users "Documents and Settings" folder doesn't get everything. Plus with some poorly written apps saving files in weird places, and not being able to see them later, yeah, it's a pain in the butt.
  • Re:Nice treatise (Score:5, Insightful)

    by lone_marauder ( 642787 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @09:59AM (#9325005)
    In other words, TAKE A COURSE IN MS OFFICE!

    I've used Office pretty heavily, at the limits of its capability (judging by the increasing likelihood of crashing) to create 100+ page documents filled with dynamic and complext content.

    I have not, in my experience seen any geekness or skill that can prevent a stylesheet from becoming fucked, or even to effectively unfuck it when it happens. All you can hope for is to notice when it does become fucked and restore from an earlier version of the document.
  • Re:Nice treatise (Score:4, Insightful)

    by drudd ( 43032 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @09:59AM (#9325009)
    It's more than just bookmarks though, I use 3 computers on a regular basis (my office computer, my laptop, and my home computer).

    I really just use my laptop for most tasks so that all my settings and files are available to me anywhere (besides, I just ssh into my office computer from home to work...).

    The ability to wander from computer to computer and have everything you need to work automatically (whether it is really located on some other computer) is a fundamental, but soluble problem.

    Doug
  • by gatkinso ( 15975 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @10:04AM (#9325063)
    20 percent of 36 Billion is still 7.2 billion a year in revenue.

    So even if MS lost ALL of their Windows and Office revenue they would still be doing better than most companies.

    And they have 50+ billion in CASH.

    How long could they continue full operations with NO revenue at all? A decade atleast - assuming Bill doesn't personally pick up the tab himself then we are looking at atleast 15 years. Don't expect to see MS going away anytime soon - if ever.

  • Of course this question is highly subjective, but with Windows 2.0 and eventually Windows 3.1, Microsoft became the name of desktop operating systems. This wasn't through "extremely aggressive" business tactics as it was truly a superior system.

    This success for Microsoft led to them developing more software to compliment their operating system... Microsoft was a name everyone recognized and "loved" because of it's windowing platform... so it's an easy leap for people to say "hey if Windows is good, why wouldn't office be?"

    It wasn't until much later (late 90s) than MS started playing games with aggressive marketing tactics and forcing competition out of business. But then again, it wouldn't have had the money to do that without the huge number of sales that came with the release of Windows 95.
  • by Paulrothrock ( 685079 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @10:06AM (#9325085) Homepage Journal
    I think the article is great (except for some typos), and he makes some good points. But let's look at how Microsoft will implement his ideas...
    • The ability to log in to all our favorite Web sites with one password:* So that one security exploit can delete all your email AND clear out your bank account!
    • Spam blocking for our e-mail accounts:* unless the spammer^H^H^H^H^H^H^H advertiser pays Microsoft to show their spam^H^H^H^H ads to people.
    • Calendar sharing with colleagues and friends to schedule meetings:* Complete ith new movie and album release dates that you can't remove, and totally open so that 1337 haxx0rs know when you're going to be out of your house!
    • Automatic address book updates for all our contacts: Which are also available to spammers^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H advertisers that pay Microsoft!
    • A virtual hard drive on the Internet for sharing files, photos, and music with our friends and access to these files via the Internet while traveling anywhere in the world:* Why even require authentication. Everyone should be able to view your photos and add pictures of their own! (Not that they'd do it, but security would probably be so lax that everyone who uses this service would have Goatse pics on their hard drives.)
    • Synchronization of our Internet bookmarks across all our computers:* Complete with non-deletable links to products you want to buy!
    • Online profiles of personal information that we could choose to share with Web sites and social networks: Is it me or is this just too damn scary. "we could choose to share" is a Microsoft euphemism for "you agreed to the EULA so we give this to everyone who pays enough"
    • Regular backup of files to a storage site on the Internet:* And it will be just as secure as your home PC!!!
    • Regular application and system- security updates: Translation: Agree to the EULA, pay us a monthly fee, and we'll install software that will probably break your machine without your knowledge or consent.
    • One-step migration of files and programs to a new computer:* But only if you agree to another EULA, and it wipes the old machine and renders it useless. And it might corrupt your files in the transfer.*

    * - These features have already been implemented, partially or fully, by other companies, including Apple, specifically .Mac [mac.com], Keychain [apple.com], and (can't find it right now) a software package that made switching from PC to Mac easier.

  • Re:Nice treatise (Score:5, Insightful)

    by kin_korn_karn ( 466864 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @10:08AM (#9325109) Homepage
    That's because people that use open source are computer hobbyists that ENJOY the upgrade process. For everyday computer-as-appliance users, it's just a hassle.
  • payback time (Score:5, Insightful)

    by kd4evr ( 712384 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @10:10AM (#9325129)
    I guess some day it'll have to be payback time for every time when grandma, grandad, mom, dad, uncle{1,2,3} and auntie{1-9} called any respectably computer-educated relative with a question like: "something is wrong with my computer. Can you come and fix it?"

    Microsoft tried to spread the delusion that no computer knowledge and background is neccessary to maintain a computer system while making it more and more complex.

    Things have reached saturation point these days: every at-least-half computer-literate spends a significant amount of his business and spare time rescuing some system gone bananas.

    The fact is that no open source, free as in beer or even proprietary software is much better than any M$ products. The only difference is that these (non-M$) product do not assume self-sufficiency, or praise themselves as the best thing delivered to mankind. Instead of planting the evil seeds of false expectations, it comes natural to people using these product that they need to master a certain level of skill or consult an expert. One knows what one pays for and one knows what one gets!

    Microsoft, on the other hand, is simply not transparent. It takes hours of investigation by a computer professional to discover what combination of -khm-features- caused grandma's computer to "start acting funny".

    I stopped doing unpaid PC-M$-Win support for my friends and relatives a few years ago, because it was driving me nuts. So, I prepared a one liner fend-off checklist instead:

    1. Don't tell me - you are using Windows, right?
    2. Who made you think upgrading your system is a good idea?
    3. Everything worked fine until recently and gone bizzare for no apparent reason?
    4. I have no idea how to fix or even use M$ Outlook. Simply make a choice between using email or running outlook!
    5. Other browsers are just fine. When you run onto a site that only opens up in M$ explorer, guess again, who's to blame!
    6. Face it - there is no help or anything either you or even a PHD in computer engineering/science can do.
    7. Well, that's why Bill Gates is rich and we are poor.

    I mean, how deep the world dropped - people started perceiving computers as problems that can only be miracleously solved by throwing money away every few months!

    Hopefully, the demise of m$ happens before any kind of world disaster; otherwise, future archeologists from this or another planet will think the dominant planetary religion was playing some solitary card game...
  • Re:Nice treatise (Score:5, Insightful)

    by EnVisiCrypt ( 178985 ) <groovetheorist@nOSpam.hotmail.com> on Thursday June 03, 2004 @10:17AM (#9325196)
    *sigh*

    I'm getting tired of comments like this. Just because you derive some sick, deranged pleasure from knowing all the minutiae and strange behaviors of the software products you own doesn't mean that someone else does. Some folks just like to use friendly, intuitive software.

    When people complain, Microsoft may choose to ignore them at their own peril. It's capitalism, baby. If they want to cater to the folks who like to "get their windows machine stable", that's fine. The rest of us have a fine selection of OS' to jump to.

    If this gentleman uses OS X because he feels it is easier to understand and use, that's his perogative, and it is not a reflection of his skills as a computer user. In fact, I stand right beside him as a Mac OS X convert after years of staunch Microsoft support.

    Some of us like to use the computer rather than wrestle with it.

    Oh, and you can't tell me that you've never reformatted a windows box because it was just easier than trying to figure out what was wrong.

    Sometimes, debugging the issue would take longer than a re-install. Sometimes, it is less costly to just rebuild rather than spend days comparing DLL versions, scanning through the registry, and all the other attendant menial tasks that come with debugging an unstable windows installation. Is it a bad driver? Bad device*? Bad registry keys? Conflicting DLLs? Bah. Who needs it.

    Bottom line: When I use my machine, I want to get productive work done. I have better things to do with my time than be an administrator.

    *I'm aware that Microsoft supports a "much wider range of hardware". I've heard that argument before. However, as a user, I'm not interested in what Microsoft chooses to support. I'm interested in a stable, easy-to-use machine with a decent selection of compatible periphals.
  • Re:Nice treatise (Score:2, Insightful)

    by sammy baby ( 14909 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @10:18AM (#9325218) Journal
    And not, say, for the purpose of applying security patches?

    Not that I'm knocking Microsoft for XP needing a reboot after a patch. I just get worried every time I hear someone say that they hardly ever reboot.
  • by peter303 ( 12292 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @10:19AM (#9325227)
    Microsoft has something like $55 billion in cash and short-term investments, and another $15 of equities in other companies. They could weather a decade with that.
  • typical (Score:4, Insightful)

    by kin_korn_karn ( 466864 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @10:26AM (#9325289) Homepage
    I've never met a project manager that didn't think they were a lot smarter than he really were, because they get to ride along with the engineers and take credit for their work.

    This guy isn't saying anything that an impartial industry analyst (granted, there may not be such a thing) couldn't figure out in a couple of months. The throwing away stock options for a dot com thing kills me, too. What a dumbass. $700,000 in MS stock is still $700,000.

  • by EvilTwinSkippy ( 112490 ) <yoda AT etoyoc DOT com> on Thursday June 03, 2004 @10:42AM (#9325474) Homepage Journal
    Paranioa. What seperates the GREAT admins from the tourists.
  • Re:Nice treatise (Score:2, Insightful)

    by TechniMyoko ( 670009 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @10:44AM (#9325499) Homepage
    A friend of mine upgraded red hat 7 to 9 and now it doesn't work at all. Seems to me OSS has the same problem
  • by Kiryat Malachi ( 177258 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @10:48AM (#9325562) Journal
    Re #1. I seem to recall a CD in my box with the developer tools. That said, it was a box shipped to my university tech support job, so it might not be in the standard OS X box.

    Re #8. VLC is slow and ugly, and fails to playback video QT does fine with. Sorry, but QT wins this one for the media it can play. I have a G3-400 Powerbook. Try Cellulo if you really dislike QT's frontend.
  • by narsiman ( 67024 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @10:50AM (#9325579)
    This ugly piece of data structure - without a decent failover strategy is the root cause of most windows problems.

    Even the current XP based restore point creation does nothing better.

    The /etc structure should be emulated and config info should be left to flat file structures.

    IIS 6.0 did that by abandoning all registry settings and moved to an XML file structure - Everything actually. DotNet has moved in that direction too.

    Hopefully Longhorn will have a /etc/config folder.
  • Re:Nice treatise (Score:2, Insightful)

    by T-Ranger ( 10520 ) <jeffw@NoSPAm.chebucto.ns.ca> on Thursday June 03, 2004 @11:03AM (#9325718) Homepage
    With cron-ed yum, or apt upgrades just happen. The upgrade process consists of showing up in the morning. Microsoft Update could do the same thing, but they only give away bug fixes: features cost money.
  • Re:Nice treatise (Score:3, Insightful)

    by T-Ranger ( 10520 ) <jeffw@NoSPAm.chebucto.ns.ca> on Thursday June 03, 2004 @11:06AM (#9325756) Homepage
    Even Microsoft is aware of the "paper MCSE" problem.

    To MS, that is not a problem. Having a seemingly important certification easy to get is intentional. Mind share.

    And that strategy is not uncommon: CNA and CNE certs from Novell, back in Netware 3.x days, were also intentionally easy to get. It is a double edged sword though: it has taken Novell years to regain respect for their certs.

  • by mikedaisey ( 413058 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @11:11AM (#9325791) Homepage
    "It's not like it's terribly hard to keep Windows stable."

    Huh. That's funny--my parents, siblings, coworkers and acquaintances who are not tech inclined would disagree. Some of them would disagree vehemently.

    This kind of attitude is prevalent at Microsoft--eye rolling and mutterings of "user error". At the end of the day this is your client base, though--if you sell to all the people, you need to support all the people.
  • by timeOday ( 582209 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @11:15AM (#9325866)
    I am no friend of Microsoft, but... You are saying a 100% mark-up for software is bad. Just because a company's numbers are in the billions does not nessesarily mean they no longer have a right to make money on their profit?
    Nobody has a "right" to profit. The only reason the market system usually works is because of competition, which is supposed to drive down prices on products that are overpriced. In Microsoft's case there's a combination of laws and natural circumstances that prevent pricing pressure on MS.

    Microsoft's $50 billion in the bank (or whatever it is) is a market inefficiency.

  • Re:First paragraph (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Minna Kirai ( 624281 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @11:19AM (#9325929)
    that's more than $ 300 per person per week.

    That kind of analysis is common, but not really true.

    People who earn $100/hr are usually doing tasks that are abstract or creative, or of inconsistent required effort. Unlike factory or foodservice workers, the relationship between time input and value output is nonlinear.

    A mental worker, for example, needs to spend some of each day just pondering outstanding problems- an activity that can proceed even though her PC is temporarily out of service. The hour following an interruption is usually more productive than the one that proceeded it... etc.

    Nonetheless, this kind of false analysis continues (because it'd be difficult to be any more accurate). Lawyers use this to bill the same if they're on a cellphone while driving or at an office desktop. Virus damage reports use it to produce drastically excessive monetary losses.
  • by Saeed al-Sahaf ( 665390 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @11:21AM (#9325953) Homepage
    Nobody has a "right" to profit.

    Bullshit.

    You, me, everyone has a right to profit from their labors. Microsoft can charge whatever it wants for it's crap. If you are stupid enough to pay for it, that's your problem.

  • by Tin Foil Hat ( 705308 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @11:28AM (#9326061)
    Well, there may be an underdog factor in many geeks' aversion to Microsoft, but I think it has more to do with how Microsoft runs it's business. It stomps all competition by any means necessary (ethical or not) while pushing flawed products. The products are flawed because, as impressive as some of them are, there are many glaring holes that could have been fixed with a minimum of effort but were not because there was no incentive to do so. This inattention to detail is, I think, something that rankles the engineer in many slashdot geeks, particularly because the company seems to be aware of it but also seems reluctant to address the issue.

    The author's point was that Microsoft is not really innovating anymore. Even Longhorn doesn't seem to really be all that innovative and .Net is obviously a direct reaction to Java. They are simply applying their old business models to a rapidly changing market. It seems unlikely that this strategy can lead to long-term success in the face of new and powerful competition from a rapidly maturing open source movement.

  • Re:Uh huh (Score:5, Insightful)

    by abb3w ( 696381 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @11:31AM (#9326116) Journal

    This guy can say anything he wants, but it won't change the fact that MS is *definitely* doing things 'right'.

    Almost-- and thus, you miss the point of what he is saying. "Microsoft has *definitely* done things 'right'" would be more accurate.

    With Windows 95, it created an operating system usable by the masses, with new features that everyone really wanted to upgrade to-- Internet Access. Windows 98 added improved driver support, particularly for USB. Windows ME added diddly-squat... and it's sales were mediocre. Windows 2000 turned the NT branch into an almost-consumer usable product; Windows XP put a pretty coat of frosting on that, and marginally improved stability and usability.

    From my understanding of the history of technology, the Windows OS has been paralleling the development of every other technological tool in history, software or otherwise. You come up with an idea for something to do a job; you get it into a marginally workable form, and people try it; you improve it, and if you get lucky and it's useful enough, eveyone beats a path to your door. You may even make a few more "new and improved" versions. But eventually, you have a mature piece of technology, like egrep, or the pocket knife.

    And demand peaks-- because a lot of people HAVE one already, thank you, I'll use it until it wears out. Oh, there's a new Swiss army knife with Torx bits? Maybe I'll look into that when my current knife breaks.

    Windows (mostly) works. What the bulk of the masses want to do, it can let them do. It could be more stable, but that's something people feel they should get for free with their CURRENT version-- making people pay for that is tricky.

    Since the year September Never Ended, the number of people who want to have a computer has been on the rise. Multi-computer households aren't uncommon. But the number of new purchases is peaking-- and the second computer in the house is often a hand-me-down.

    Microsoft is at a point where there isn't much more obvious "new and improved" to put on for the consumer, with both their Office and OS-- so upgrade sales will fall off. Instead of people upgrading OS every two to three years, they'll upgrade every five to nine-- by buying a new computer after the old one dies. Of course, M$ could stop supporting the older software... with bad consequences for (in turn) security for those machines using the software, performance for those networks connected to those machines, and network-dependent software performance for any current Windows machines connected to the network. Ooops.

    The article isn't suggesting M$ will go away. What it does imply is that there may be a massive correction at some point in the not-too-distant future (I'd guess 5-10 years, but that's just me) that will cost it a large chunk (I'd guess ~65%?) of its current revenue stream and stock value, and that the measures it is trying now to protect its current revenue stream will make it more difficult to adapt to those leaner times.

    (Of course, Apple is in danger of this trap, too. With the OS X.2, X.3, and now X.4 upgrades, it seems to be getting hooked on the upgrade revenue stream, and I'm not convinced users will remain enthusiasic. X.3 added two features of substance that my Mac users noticed and drooled over: Expose, and the return of color-coded files and folders. After seeing the price, of ten machines, two were upgraded for this.)
  • Not a right to "profit", but a right to "recieve compensation."

    It's a fine line, but an important one.
  • by Animats ( 122034 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @11:45AM (#9326294) Homepage
    Moving to Windows 2000 is an upgrade. Moving from Windows 2000 to Windows XP is a downgrade.

    Windows 2000 works for you. Windows XP works for Microsoft. "Updates are ready for download" (which can appear on machines with no network connection), tightly integrated IE, and more restrictive licensing terms, all make it clear that XP is optimized for Microsoft's benefit, not yours.

    There's a good reason that most of corporate America is still running Windows 2000. It's one of Microsoft's most solid versions, probably the most stable one since NT 3.51.

    If you're still running anything Microsoft prior to Win2K, upgrade to Win2K. If you're running Win2K, the next available upgrade is to Linux.

  • by nelsonal ( 549144 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @11:46AM (#9326305) Journal
    The intuitive case is a mortgage. Intuitive because most americans will experince leverage in a home purchase.
    If let's say you have a $100,000 house that will be worth $110,000 next year (the math is easier). The simple return on the home is 10%. Also imagine that you have $100,000 in the bank.
    If you pay cash for the home (equity financing for a business), your pre-tax and post-tax return is 10% (Assume you qualify for primary residence cap gains). Now imagine that you financed the home with 50% debt (and bought two homes). You gambled on a balloon payment and got a 5% mortgage. Over the course of the year your homes are worth $220,000 and you still owe 100,000. You paid 5% in interest or $5,000, but got $1,500 back on your taxes. However your $100,000 equity postion is now $116,500. And your retun is now 16.5%. Same investment leverage multiplied the return.
    The curvature arises from the bank wanting additional interest as you start putting less capital into the mix. I doubt you would find a bank willing to loan at 5% if you wanted to buy a $10,000,000 apartment complex with $100,000 down. Also presuming that your first $100,000 is invested in the best home your 10th 100k might only go into a home that returns 5% or something closer to your cost of capital.
  • Here! Here! (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Syntax Heir ( 725802 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @11:53AM (#9326408)
    While I'm not MS fanboi, I certainly do not agree with this unfounded bashing. XP, Office 2003 and Server 2000 have been reliable for me and other users in our company. However, the PC data migration thing still is a nightmare in most cases.

    This article just lowers the signal to noise ratio and frustrates people looking for real news.

    *Sigh*

  • Re:Nice treatise (Score:2, Insightful)

    by jedidiah ( 1196 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @12:01PM (#9326521) Homepage
    Windows 3.x, 95 and 98 were all crap. They didn't "win" you over. You were simply willing to put up with far too much. The fact that you ended up running XP is simply a result of you being willing to tolerate what was still really just MS-DOS.

    You freely admit XP for the crap that it is. No other OS subjects the end user to the need to constantly and promptly apply security patches.

    It may not crash as much anymore but it's still a malware paradise.

    A new PC running XP can be "rooted" as soon as it connects to the net: another Microsoft innovation.
  • Burglarize? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by EnglishTim ( 9662 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @12:12PM (#9326677)
    Surely 'burglarize' isn't listed?

    Next thing they'll be calling burglars 'bulgarizers'...

    I mean, if you're going to have 'burglarized', why not start doing the same to other words?

    "Someone help me! I've been shooterized!"
    "Yeah, I went into town the other day to do some shopperizing"
    "We're not breaking even. We need some way to encourage more shopperizers into the store..."

    Madness!
  • by mOdQuArK! ( 87332 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @12:16PM (#9326720)
    then the best (fiscal) decision is to borrow the money for the car and take the best paying job.

    Whether or not this is the "best" decision actually depends on your risk tolerance - your scenario doesn't include the possibility that you might lose the job, and end up being liable for the loan without any way to pay for it. Borrowing money always involves increasing your personal financial risk.

  • by ckaminski ( 82854 ) <slashdot-nospam.darthcoder@com> on Thursday June 03, 2004 @12:24PM (#9326815) Homepage
    But if you have enough in cash, sometimes it just makes sense to buy the car outright.

    On the flipside, if you take out a loan at 6-8% on that car, and you can make 8-10% on the money you saved by taking out the loan, you end up ahead 3% +/- because your interest payment on the car dwindles over time as you eat up the principal. Of course, this depends on market fluctuations, interest rates, and your ability to keep investments in the high percentage rates.

    Like I said, sometimes it just makes sense to pay cash.
  • by ajp ( 192328 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @12:47PM (#9327070)
    As if you Brits have never changed your language. Can you read Beowulf? Maybe Chaucer? And how many words did Shakespeare just make up? This is not to mention all the French that made its way in with Charlemagne. Why is it that so many people think English is derived from Latin when it's actually a Germanic tongue?

    English is NOT English and has not been since the day Dr. Johnson decided to write it all down. The entire point of the OED is to catalog how the language was used at that moment in time (thus the citations from texts.) (NB: I placed the PERIOD in the previous sentence inside the PARENTHESES because I'm a FREAKING MERKIN!)

    Just because we "Yanks" are doing a better job of mutating "your" language than you are doesn't mean we're using it incorrectly. If you want to be a stuck-up git about your language then move your stick and your butt across the canal. They'd love you in France.
  • Re:Nice treatise (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Total_Wimp ( 564548 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @01:06PM (#9327256)
    Have you ever used bullets in MS Office? They're incredibly simple. If the guy is haveing a problem with bullets, MS Office is not to blame. Help is, well, helpful, but not at all necessary.

    The author said some other stuff that was suspect too. Near the end of the article he says Outlook 2003 wasn't much of an improvement, but I shift back and forth between that version, the 2000 version and the 2002/XP version all the time and I can tell you that 2003 is the biggest leap forward in usability of them all. Search folders rock, they're intuitive and the most important ones are already set up for you so you can use them right away. There are dozens of other tiny, but significant to usability features that permiate the app.

    The author did some not-quite-right Mac boosting as well. OSX is a very good OS, but there are all sorts of frustrations for the switcher that he conveniently left out. Did he really not notice that common tasks require a different workflow than in Windows? Did he not notice that the shortcuts to do these things efficiently are no more obvious than they are in Windows? Or did he gloss? As a relatively new Mac user (1-year. OSX 10.28), I assure you he glossed. Does anyone really believe it's faster for a new user to get on the internet with a Mac vs. a new PC in 2004? That's ridiculous.

    The problem with aricles like this is that people that know better about the Windows jabs and the other OS boosting are forced to call into question his judgement on other things as well. If he were more honest about these little things, I'd have more incentive to believe him about the big stuff.

    TW
  • Nobody has a "right" to profit.

    Okay, consider this. Someone owns a car worth roughly $3,000. He wants to sell it. Someone offers $3.000 for it, and it is sold. Who profits?

    The answer is BOTH.

    The guy who sold it obviously thought that $3,000 cash was more important to him than his car. So he made out good on the deal. If he didn't want $3,000 more than he wanted the car, he wouldn't have sold it.

    The guy who bought it thought that the car was more valuable than his $3,000 cash. Otherwise, he wouldn't have bought it. So he made out good on the deal as well.

    When you go to pay whatever you pay for a computer, you are getting something more valuable (the computer) than what you gave (the cash). The guy who sold it to you did the same. When Microsoft sells Windows XP to the retailer, they are giving away something less vauable to them than the cash they receive, and the retailer is getting something more valuable to them than the cash they gave out.

    So in the end, everyone profits in free trade.
  • by hoxford ( 94613 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @01:13PM (#9327327)
    If you're an incompetent moron whose labor causes negative productivity, you have a right to profit?

    No, the original statement is correct. No one has a right to profit. Everyone should have the right to pursue profit. This is a wholly different thing.

  • by FanaticalDesperado ( 717503 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @01:21PM (#9327403)
    Dress codes are up to the company. If a company feels that people will be more productive or more professional-looking wearing a suit and tie, it is their decision to enforce it. Some companies reason that you not only have to be able to do the job but you have to look the part too. The reason for this is so other people will also have confidence in you. A dress code is a trade-off you make for having a job. If you don't like a company's dress code then you don't have to work for them. Keep working for companies that don't require a suit and tie. It's that simple.

    Personally, I don't want to work for a company that requires a suit either. Atmosphere is one of the things that I consider when interviewing for a job. I'm more than willing to take less money from a company with casual policies than from a rigid company.

    What if some of those "other people" have an irrational distrust of people with dark hair and blue eyes?

    That truly is an evil combination!

    Small abuses may very well make it easier to perpetuate large ones. I haven't done enough research to form any conclusion on it and I don't plan to. I just don't want you to confuse things you don't like with human rights abuses. I hate peas but I don't think making your children eat peas is a violation of their basic human rights.

    Life is full of shitty compromises.
  • by CrimsonAvenger ( 580665 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @01:34PM (#9327529)

    Everyone has a "right to profit".

    However, a "perfect market" limits profits to near zero. With no barriers to entry in a business, which is a lot like "neglecting friction", competition will force prices down toward costs.

    A 100% markup is only possible if the barriers to entry in the field are high, which they are in this case.

    However, the barriers to entry are falling also. Once the OS or Office suite, or whatever are "good enough", the impetus for upgrades evaporate. At that point, competing products have a chance to catch up to the target of "good enough".

    Microsoft is suffering from "good enough" now. As are hardware makers. Most people don't use much, if any, more capabiity than was available in computers/software in 2000. Microsoft is dependent on people buying a new computer (and, implied, a new OS and Office suite) every couple of years. This was a workable model until the computers got "good enough", and has been suffering since then.

  • by almehj ( 69356 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @02:09PM (#9327941)
    Now repeat after me: "The Oxford English Dictionary is the ONLY accepted reference for English!" Feel free to write it on the blackboard a few times as well, just to make sure it sinks in.

    The OED lists thru (informal, chiefly N. Amer.) That's in the Second edition (1989).

    The OED has never been about prescribing the use of our language, and such flagrant intellectual misuse of this awesome work of scholarship chaps my hide, hence this only-maybe-a-little-on-topic choice for my first /. post.

    English is English, through is not spelled "thru", night is not spelled "nite", and there is no such word as "burglarize". The verb is burgle. Of course, you chaps in the colonies can do what you like with your language, but don't call it English ! ;)

    The OED specifically rejects this bit of lingustic jingoism. The preface to the third edition (gradually being released on the the online OED), devotes a section to the attempts to increase the OED's coverage of the several varieties of English. It even has the interesting sentence, placing the UK varieties of the world's lingua franca in it's proper place:

    The English of the British Isles now becomes one (or indeed several) of these varieties , whereas previously standard British English may have been regarded as the dominant form of English. [from the OED, Preface to the Third Edition, emphasis added]


    Languages live thru change. Boxed in, they die. Who speaks Latin now?

    Cheers,

    Hank (who prefers through)
  • Re:Nice treatise (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Evo ( 37507 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @02:14PM (#9327990)
    Don't be so bloody naive. Once you are running code in ring 0, do you _really_ think it is still entirely the OS' fault? Why do you think the Linux kernel developers refuse to touch dumps from tainted kernels?

    Once that driver code is running, it can break the machine. Full stop. This is not yet-another-application, which Windows handles perfectly well.
  • by Ubergrendle ( 531719 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @02:19PM (#9328044) Journal
    There is actually a school of thought that says we should fight just as hard, if not harder, against "small" human rights abuses {e.g. dress codes} as "big" human rights abuses {e.g. racism, sexism}. As long as the lesser abuses are accepted without question, that acceptance can be cited in an attempt to justify greater ones

    The effect you are refering to is called 'cumulative radicalisation', and is currently in vogue with historians trying to explain how the progressive German societies of the 18th and 19th centuries could take such a right-handed turn to Fascism in the early 20th.

    I still think you've Godwin'ed yourself here, but the premise is valuable to investigate regarding computer technologies. Cumulative radicalisation in this case is an effective method of reducing the 'barrier to entry' into other markets, once you're operating from a position of strength in one area. In Microsoft's case, its many areas.
  • by DickBreath ( 207180 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @02:19PM (#9328050) Homepage
    You don't have a right to profit. You only have a right to try to profit. If everyone had a right to profit, then there would be no unsuccessful business endeavors. If everyone has a right to profit, then what is the minimum profit that I have a right to? Everyone else has a right to this same minimum profit. Where does the money come from to guarantee everyone their God-given right to the sacred holy profit?
  • Re:Language Snobs (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 03, 2004 @03:34PM (#9328769)

    A "funny accent" is different than talking like Jed Clampett [pcperspectives.com], or some gangsta. You can have a "funny accent" and still be edumacated. Christopher Lambert [imdb.com] has a "funny accent", but he doesn't sound like he's done without plumbing and books all his life.

    I thought we were discussing proper grammar and usage of the English language, not speech inflections?

    People judge you by how you communicate, how you dress, how you carry yourself. It's not ideal, but that's all people have to go on. If you're a gum cracking big haired Long Island girl in fishnet stockings and stilletto heels chances are you talk like it, even when your best friend puts you in a bridesmaids dress, you're still a "floozy" and everyone knows it by how you talk. That's how the world works. If said strumpet goes through enough schooling, graduates and makes it through residency, to become a surgeon, I guaranty the "funny accent" will still sound like Long Island / New Jersey, but it will no longer be filled with atrocious grammar, ignorant usage, and open-mouthed gum cracking.

    If you have or plan to have children, it's important to accept this fact. One of the worst things you can do for a child's future is to let the child get away with poor grammar, slang, colloquialisms, etc.

    Whether you're talking about the accent of Boston, London, Melbourne, or New Orleans, the mayor doesn't talk like the pimp on the corner 5 blocks away.
  • Not at all. If you had a "right" to profit, you could go to court to break a contract solely on you losing money over it.

  • by mr_mischief ( 456295 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @03:47PM (#9328880) Journal
    Nope. If someone's too stupid to set their price high enough, or can't make a product worthy of selling at higher than what it took to make, then their rights have not been violated when they don't make a profit.

    Profit is what you get over and above what you spent to get it. Getting profit is part science, part art, and part dumb luck. You have a right to try to profit. You don't have a right to make profits for no good reason.

    It's the same as with getting a job. You have the right to apply for work and to be hired if you're the right candidate. You are not guaranteed to be the best candidate for a particular job.
  • by timeOday ( 582209 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @04:13PM (#9329175)
    I agree profit is good. I'm just pointing out that a huge profit by one company year after year is not a sign of a healty competitive market. I would hold up Wal-Mart as a more positive example - they fend off competition from Target, Kmart, Sears, etc. Their profit is pretty huge in absolute dollars, but it's only about a 3% profit margin. That means that while they're turning a profit, the market is forcing them to give customers good deals.
  • Re:Nice treatise (Score:2, Insightful)

    by WhiskerTheMad ( 765470 ) <whisker AT whiskerscorner DOT com> on Thursday June 03, 2004 @04:22PM (#9329252) Homepage
    Wrong.
    As a self-proclaimed "computer hobbyist," i find the upgrade process for most open-source products MUCH easier than the convoluted, hair-pulling nail-biting windows process.

    I don't enjoy upgrading. I enjoy playing with new features (I almost had a climactic event when I found OOo's "Export to PDF" function), but I HATE upgrading.
    Hate it hate it hate it.

    I've given up on windows. On my home network, i have a linux box for productivity and a $2000 game box. That's all windows is good for anymore, at least for me. I use the latest versions of MS software at work, and frankly, I don't see ANYTHING (with the possible exception of .net) worth upgrading for. Exactly the opposite, in fact. Access has extremely irritating new behaviors, and Word, Outlook and Excel look and act almost identically to their older version, except for a much-expanded buglist.

    Sorry for the rant, but every time I upgrade MS software, I spent lots of money and time for the opportunity to lose more data and functionality.

  • by Jett ( 135113 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @04:23PM (#9329257)
    You are misinterpreting Locke. It's a philosophical argument that doesn't exactly fit into the real world. He's arguing that individuals can create property ownership over collective property (i.e. the whole "state of nature" thing) by "mixing his labor" with it, i.e. you can take common land that isn't being used by other people and make it yours if you plant crops there, or graze your sheep there, or whatever. Locke certainly believed in and argued for property rights, but what you quote is more about justifying the assertion of property rights over common property than about property rights in general.

    I would also add that a right to property is something completely different from a right to profit from property.

  • by Lehk228 ( 705449 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @04:23PM (#9329260) Journal
    wtf are you talking about?? there is no right to recieve compensation, you recieve compensation for work done with a pre-existing agreement that you receive compensation for the work, If i go mow my neighbors lawn, i don't have a "right" to be paid, either for my time or the gasoline used to mow. Now if my Neighbor hires me to mow, I have the right to be paid whatever was agreed upon.
  • by bit01 ( 644603 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @06:19PM (#9330286)

    You, me, everyone has a right to profit from their labors

    Bullshit yourself. M$ only makes a profit because we, the citizens, give them some rights to control copying i.e. copyright law. We do this because we, the citizens, think we will get a fair return in terms of price competition and product improvement. The M$ monopoly is currently taxing the world $35,000,000,000 per year for ten pieces of software it largely wrote more than a decade ago. That is an atrocious tradeoff.

    Intellectual property law is completely broken at the moment. M$ gets maybe 10,000 times the reward for writing the same software that another company might write. I don't mind 10-100 times the reward to encourage true competition and inovation but law which allows more than that is wrong and unfair. Yes, the world is unfair but that doesn't mean that in a democracy we the people should deliberately make it more unfair.

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    It's wrong that an intellectual property creator should not be rewarded for their work.
    It's equally wrong that an IP creator should be rewarded too many times for the one piece of work, for exactly the same reasons.
    Reform IP law and stop the M$/RIAA abuse.

  • by twitter ( 104583 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @06:38PM (#9330407) Homepage Journal
    I'm afraid you are off by an order of magnitude. Microsoft burns through billions a quarter. If dissaster struck, and it has, they would have to cut back hard. Without billions in PR they would soon sink. At their current spending rate, they can be out of money in 5 quarters. See:

    Quarterly operating expenses were in the range of 5 to 8 billion dollars, two of which are advertising. Revenues for the same period were 7 to 9 billion. Research is down, advertising is up and administrative costs have increased sixfold! While they trumpet increased revenue, their net is down by almost half over a year ago from 2.1 to 1.3 billion. If tomorrow everyone switched to free software, Microsoft would be out of business in less than two years.

    It won't happen like that, but that's more realistic than expecting them to coast for a decade. The migration to free software is already on and mainstream. It won't take long for the Microsoft PR machine to self destruct. With enough free software deployment, the inferiority of Microsoft's line will be apparent to everyone regardless of all the feel good "potential" adverts and the gravy train will derail. You don't have to have worked for the Soft for 8 years to see the problems Word, Lookout, XP and all have. The tipping point is close.

    I wonder if SCO "investments" are marketing or administrative costs. Soon it will go into their investment losses.

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