How Do You Notch Your 5.25 Floppies?
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missing option. (Score:4, Funny)
BTW, yeeeeears ago, i modified my atari diskette drive to allow every disk double side...
Re:missing option. (Score:4, Funny)
re: missing option. (Score:3, Interesting)
ed
Re: missing option. (Score:3)
Re: missing option. (Score:5, Funny)
One of the guy's I'm thinking of became a professor at this university in the 60's. He's still excited about this whole new UNIX thing.
Re: missing option. (Score:3, Insightful)
What do you mean out of date? Very little is new in computer science in the last few decades. Unless you think that some how new technologies have something to do with computer science. Most of the new theory is being developed to deal with networking, as that was a concept that wasn't really a part of early computer science. Even that sort of stuff has been pretty solidified for at least 20 years.
Maybe knowledge of the las
Re: missing option. (Score:3, Insightful)
Would you like an astronomy professor that told you the sun revolved around the Earth?
Re: missing option. (Score:3, Interesting)
Tm
Re: missing option. (Score:3, Insightful)
Tm
Re: missing option. (Score:3, Insightful)
And how, prithee, do you expect me to boot my Northstart Horizon [old-computers.com], my Morrow MD2 [old-computers.com], or my TRS-80 Model I [old-computers.com]? They didn't routinely install hard drives on computers back in the day, you know.
(OK, OK, technically I could boot the TRS-80 without any drives whatsoever, but ROM BASIC is so limited. And I've gotten spoiled saving and retrieving data from something faster (and more reliable) than 500-baud audio cassette.)
Re: missing option. (Score:3, Funny)
Re: missing option. (Score:5, Informative)
Re: missing option. (Score:3, Interesting)
Re: missing option. (Score:3, Interesting)
Too true. (Score:4, Funny)
And, for the record, I notched mine with my pocket knife. Doesn't every geek have a pocket knife? Well except for the ones with social problems who carry ridiculous bayonets everywhere. It's not a penis subsitute guys, and it freaks the girls out.
Re:missing option. (Score:2)
Mine came notched!
I found it very hard to find un-notched ones for my diagnostics folder. I didn't want to run any that had the possibility of the write protect falling off. Read only floppies were the only way to go for cleaning up a compromised system. CDR's have replaced them.
I used a modified drive (reed switch) so it took an active act of holding a magnet in the right spot to write an un-notched disk to make a work copy of a diagnostics disk. Demo software and other ol
Re:missing option. (Score:5, Informative)
Isn't that the same as the last option?
No, Single sided and double sided both had a single notch. Un-covered it permitted writing to the disk. Covered, it was write protected. In a single sided drive, if you turn the disk up-side-down to write the other side, there isn't a notch in the right spot to enable writing. That's why people started to notch disks. It was to use the second side of the disk in a single side drive.
Single sided floppies were only certified to work on one side. Double sided floppies (with only one notch on only one side) were certified to work in a double sided drive. Notching either of this floppies allowed turning it over it in a single sided drive and writing the other side. Sometimes (most of the time) single sided floppies wrote fine on the othe side.
SON OF A BITCH !!!!! (Score:5, Funny)
So you mean I had all those trays and trays and trays of 5-1/4" Disks when in reality I could have had half as much. damn it damn it damn it damn it.
I swear I must hae had a couple houndred of those things, and all I had to two was flip them over. Damn damn damn damn damn
Re:missing option. (Score:3, Informative)
Re:missing option. (Score:5, Funny)
How do you punch your cards?
- IBM 721 card punch
- Herman Hollerith's Pantographic Card Punch
- IBM Type 016 Motor-Driven Electric Duplicating Key Punch
- Votomatic punch card voting machines
- Hole Punch
- Scissors
- I let the Supreme Court decide for me
Re:missing option. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:missing option. (Score:3, Funny)
Re:missing option. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:missing option. (Score:3, Funny)
Re:missing option. (Score:4, Funny)
You left one out (Score:5, Funny)
Sigh... Things have gone seriously down hill since the Good Old Days (tm).
Another missing option. (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Another missing option. (Score:3, Informative)
Incisors? (Score:5, Funny)
Incisors are for pussies. I use canines!
(Any reference to cats and dogs is completely unintentional)
Re:Incisors? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Incisors? (Score:4, Funny)
Other good Options (Score:5, Interesting)
Speaking of Modifying 5.25" drives, anyone remember the old Atari 800 XL disk drives? Back then I bought a mod chip from a company (I believe they were called "Happy Computers" or something) and installed it in mine. This chip allowed you to make an exact duplicate of any 5.25" floppy you put in. Copy protection didn't matter. Hell, it didn't even need to be an Atari format at all, you could put C64, Apple II, or IBM disks in it and still get perfect copies. Of course it was meant to make legal backups of software you owned, but I'm sure those got used for other purposes too
Re:Other good Options (Score:2)
Now that was fun.
Re:Other good Options (Score:2)
Wow, and now all we have to do is dd if=/dev/source_drive of=disk.img bs=512. Does anyone know how copy protection was put on floppies back in the day? I remember it was a big deal for someone to crack a game or whatever software so that copies could be made. I
Re:Other good Options (Score:5, Informative)
Since normal copy routines (c|w)ouldn't write the "damage" onto the copy, the software would then know it was looking at a copy.
As to how the copy programs bypassed that one, I don't know. While I owned my copy for real, I don't think I ever managed to make a copy of M1 Tank Commander.
Re:Other good Options (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Other good Options (Score:3, Informative)
Back in the day, most of the "cracking" we did involved modifying the actual software to circumvent the copy protection check (or trick it) vs trying to create exact copies. Worked much better.
Re:Other good Options (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Other good Options (Score:4, Informative)
hey (Score:5, Funny)
5.25 Floppies? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:5.25 Floppies? (Score:3, Funny)
Sorry this poll reminded you of your troubled pre-AA past. But we're all glad to see that you sobered-up and turned your life around. Congrats.
thesis (Score:2)
I use 8" floppies... (Score:5, Funny)
... on my CP/M console, you insensitive clod.
Now shut up while I make this paper tape.
Re:I use 8" floppies... (Score:5, Interesting)
I've still got some 8" floppies, with my early '80s schoolwork and some baby programs, written on a Wang processor that was built in to a desk.
I lost a lot of my work, though, to one of the earliest "trojans". (Trojan on a Wang, heh heh) I put my floppy in the drive and listed the contents, and wow! there was a Startrek program! I ran it immediately... and it deleted all files, while my geek buddies (who had found my floppy and added their "gift") laughed their a** off.
Enraged, I yanked the disk out of the drive, crumpled it (as much as was possible, those things were stiff!), and threw it in the trash. When I'd calmed down, my erstwhile friends reminded me that I could have gotten all the files back by poking the appropriate values back into the directory header (we'd hacked its format long ago). IIRC, I retrieved the disc from the trash, but the physical damage couldn't be undone.
No wonder I haven't been afflicted by most of the malware out there... once bitten, ya know.
Re:I use 8" floppies... (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:I use 8" floppies... (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:I use 8" floppies... (Score:3, Funny)
I remember when. . . (Score:5, Funny)
(Wait 20 minutes, strange sounds from tape drive)
OK>
OK>RUN
Hello World.
OK>
Re:I remember when. . . (Score:3, Interesting)
LOAD "HELLO",8
RUN
HELLO WORLD
In that lovely Cyan background.
Uh.. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Uh.. (Score:2)
Re:Uh.. (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Uh.. (Score:2)
Re:Uh.. (Score:2)
Re:Uh.. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Uh.. (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Uh.. (Score:2)
Re:Uh.. (Score:2)
Re:Uh.. (Score:2)
By all rights, USB flash drives should finally kill the floppy. Their functionality and feature set is pretty much identical to a floppy, and they have far great performance, capacity, and probably reliability. I believe they are even bootable on many recent BIOSes; sooner or later OS and driver installers will start supporting them and we can finally ditch removable magnetic disks for good.
Missing Option: Razor Blade (Score:2)
cheap. simple. effective.
I had 8" floppys (Score:5, Funny)
whippersnappers.
Re:I had 8" floppys (Score:2)
Cue more of the 'we had it rough' jokes now
Re:I had 8" floppys (Score:2)
Do You (Score:2)
or maybe How Do You Notch Your Pen Drives?
Re: Do You (Score:5, Funny)
With one notch for each IE I replace with FireFox.
Notch Floppies? (Score:2)
Last time I used any kind of floppy was in 1999. Now I carry 1.4MB files in my Bluetooth cell phone, you insensitive clod!
I prefer (Score:2)
Does anybody know (Score:2, Interesting)
Why a 5.25" disk was write-protected by covering the notch, but an 8" disk was write-protected by uncovering the notch?
Re:Does anybody know (Score:5, Funny)
I am sure nobody knows precisely why, but there was considerable inertia in media to have a "write enable" widget.
9-track tape used a plastic ring (that came in lots of colors.) mounted in the flange of the supply reel to enable write. Most shops had a stick set up somewhere near the scratch-tape rack so the ops could play ring-toss while slowly waiting for DUMPER to run.[1]
3/4-inch videotape used a little plastic plug, invariably colored red, called a "dirt" == DRT == damned red thing which was specially designed to roll under the toe kick of an equipment rack when you had less than a minute to set up a recording you forgot was coming, and they were only going to feed it once and you were going to air it later that day.
I remember something in vaguely QIC form-factor that had a write-enable plug that reminded me of dirts, but now I can't precisely place what used them. QIC150 had an integral write-enable plug that you rotated 180 degrees to expose or cover a notch. Was it QIC24 that had losable plugs? Or maybe QIC11?
When 3.5-inch floppies showed up on the scene, they went back into the "cover the hole to write enable." , they just made the write-enable plug a permanent fixture on the media (well, except for disks that were sold for software distribution that didn't)
Footnote 1: Once I tossed a user from my shell server, and told him to meet me at a local geek gathering to receive a copy of whatever he had in his home directory at the point of his account termination. I showed up with what, to me, was the most universal and easily created backup media: A mini-reel of 1600 bpi 9-track tape (So thoughtful I was not to use 6250 ... those drives were harder to come by.) I knew it would burn his toast, but it did satisfy the terms of the contract - and kept in line with my published customer service policy. (Which was, in its entirety: I promise not to poke you in the eye with a pointy stick.)
Re:Does anybody know (Score:5, Funny)
You utter Bastard. I still haven't got my data back!
Re:Does anybody know (Score:3, Informative)
Yes. Cost. It's cheaper to include a sheet of write protects in a box than to install write enables. It was also assumed you would want to format or write to the floppy before protecting it. Having it ready to write out of the box was a desirable state. Low cost was also desirable.
Virtual drive for Atari 800 (Score:2)
If you're curious, look up SIO2PC.
Oh, and I had a switch that I could flip to bypass the notch-checking LED. It was a three-position switch, but you had to hold it in the third position--t
What's a floppy (Score:2)
Doesn't the notch select HD or DD? (Score:2, Insightful)
Not on a single-sided drive (Score:5, Informative)
This was supposed to be bad for the disk, the drive, and your data (for the drive, apparently debris collected by the felt liner inside the disk could be deposited on the r/w heads) but everybody still did it.
Re:Doesn't the notch select HD or DD? (Score:5, Informative)
Umm NO! The notch was only for write enable/protect. Early drives were single sided. Many floppies were double sided. Many single sided floppies were really double sided, but not certified. Use the second side at your own risk. If you notched the other edge, you could put it in a single sided drive up-side down and write the second side for free.
HD disks were jacketed the same as a normal floppy, but took stronger magnatism to write it. Other than the label, there was no way to tell a HD disk by looking at it. Using a HD floppy in a regular drive often failed. If it was formatted low density in a high density drive then sometimes you could read it in a low density drive. It depended on how much noise was between the tracks the wide low density read head picked up.
The 3 1/2 inch drives were the ones that had an extra hole to identify them as a high density floppy and moved them from 360 or 720K to the 1.44 we are used to. It's very hard to find low density 3 1/2 floppies anymore.
Re:Doesn't the notch select HD or DD? (Score:3, Informative)
Not to nitpick (I'm just trying to be helpful), but unofficially there was... HD 5.25" disks did not have a reinforcing ring around the hole in the center, while DD/SD/etc. disks did. I don't know of any reason why, but this was gospel between me and those I worked with back during the HD's short life before being completely replaced by 3.5"'s, while we still had plenty of 5.25" disks around.
Did I just dream the last 20 years? (Score:2)
Not complaining, it means I get to do college again.
Missing poll option (Score:2)
Weird poll that only applies to people who are old enough to have had computers where you had to turn the disk over (excluding DVDs here). Poll about best qualities in a woman is one thing, but this really narrows it down. Actually had one of one of those notchers sitting around the house as a kid for the Apple
missing option (Score:2)
X-acto knife... (Score:2)
Razor Blade (Score:2)
Past tense anyone... (Score:2)
I haven't used a 5.5" floppy in years. I had a notcher back then, but that was 4 houses ago, it's long gone.
Missing options (Score:3)
2. What's a floppy?
Reading 5.25 disks from 6502 systems on modern PCs (Score:2)
This is just too much of a coincidence...we were just talking about someone trying to read a bunch of 5.25" Apple
DISK2FDI, which can be had from www.oldskool.org, it fakes out the hardware using two floppy drives, and can read floppies most popular 6502 based computers. A very cool hack!
ttyl
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HUH? (Score:2)
poll a little late (Score:5, Insightful)
many notches (Score:2, Funny)
Table saw. (Score:2, Funny)
Using my... (Score:2)
rubberspoon, rubberspoon, rubberspoon, rubberspoon, yes.
Missing Option (Score:2)
In fact I don't think I've even seen a 5.25 floppy in years.
Time to hop into my DeLorean (Score:5, Funny)
drive modified intelligently... (Score:4, Interesting)
That saved me a lot of punching and a lot of headaches...
Missing poll option: (Score:4, Funny)
Size differences (Score:4, Funny)
(To be fair, I'm married and have a son -- no, I can't explain how.)
Re:Ahhh, nostalgia (Score:2)
the did. [fact-index.com]
I even have one
Re:Better yet, modifiying your 3.5" disks... (Score:2)
Re:What's a 5.25 floppy? (Score:2)
Re:Come on... (Score:2, Interesting)