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Mozilla Firefox 2 Alpha 1 Available
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on Wed Mar 22, 2006 10:06 AM
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Mini-Geek writes "Code-named Bon Echo, the first Alpha of Firefox 2.0 is now officially available. You can download it at ftp.mozilla.org. From the article: 'Here are some new features in Bon Echo Alpha 1 that require feedback: Changes to tabbed browsing behavior, New data storage layer for bookmarks and history (using SQLlite), Extended search plugin format, Updates to the extension system to provide enhanced security and to allow for easier localization of extensions, Support for SVG text using svg:textPath'"
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anadgouda writes "Mozilla Firefox 2.0 alpha is released. The links for download were not available directly on Mozilla.com website. Being Alpha, all features might not work and most of the plugins might not be compatible." Reading thru the comments, it appears there's some disparity as to whether or not this is actually just a naming scheme that they use; but let me reiterate that there has been no official announcement from Mozilla, so take with a giant grain of salt. Some good screenshots at OSdir.
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But... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:But... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:But... (Score:5, Informative)
(http://jvillalobos.blogspot.com/)
SQLite (Score:4, Interesting)
(http://pyscrabble.sf.net/)
I haven't used SQLite, can anyone with experience using it please comment?
Re:SQLite (Score:5, Informative)
(http://www.emacswiki...iki/ChristopherSmith | Last Journal: Monday November 12, @06:29PM)
Combine a scripting language for end-user forms, and you've got everything MS Access wishes it could be.
Get Hipp. Get SQLite.
Re:SQLite (Score:5, Informative)
(Last Journal: Friday April 07 2006, @09:22AM)
"SQL" engines tend to evoke images of hulking software packages like PostgreSQL, SQL Server, and Oracle, but those things do an awful lot more than the typical desktop app needs, and the SQLite engine is much, much simpler in order to meet that lesser demand.
Re:SQLite (Score:4, Informative)
(Last Journal: Friday November 09, @01:18PM)
We do? Funny, I've been running FF since the 0.8 days (Phoenix) and have never had any memory issue. In fact, I've never had any issue other than one mini-crash which forced me to use a default profile until I pulled up my old one. Further, I've installed FF on several different systems, including W98, and not one of those systems has ever had a memory issue.
Looking at the FF boards it appears the issue is not so much with FF but the multitude of extensions that people think they need to install.
Re:SQLite (Score:5, Interesting)
I've noticed that web pages that refresh themselves cause a run-away memory situation. Specifically the win32 MRTG package from open innovations [openinnovations.com] causes FF to use huge amounts of memory. It auto refreshes graphs I think every 10 seconds. If I leave a graph up on screen and leave for the weekend, FF will be using 1.8 GB memory when I come back on Monday. I've been unable to find out if this is a known problem or not, so I've not submitted this as a bug.
Re:SQLite (Score:5, Informative)
There's a few problems that can cause leaks in FF itself which have been fixed in the main trunk. Almost all of those fixes are supposed to be included in 2.0.
Re:SQLite (Score:5, Informative)
Re:SQLite (Score:4, Informative)
(http://www.netspace.org/~bperkins)
The memory usage problems have been related to the image cache. (I've heard that this is often caused by an old version of the adblock extension)
Using SQLite to store profile information will probably have little impact the memory usage problems people see.
Really? (Score:2)
Getting a Firefox Alpha (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Getting a Firefox Alpha (Score:5, Funny)
(http://www.intelligentblogger.com/ | Last Journal: Monday August 27, @11:47AM)
Back then we didn't have no "Alphas". We had semi-stable code snapshots called "Milestones" and we liked it that way!
I hope they don't change the tabs too much (Score:4, Interesting)
(http://calum.org/)
Re:I hope they don't change the tabs too much (Score:5, Insightful)
(Last Journal: Sunday August 05, @04:32PM)
You don't need a database for sorting algorithms (think gnu sort), but what this will almost certainly do is complicate backup and transfer of bookmarks. I really can't understand what is wrong with a simple text file. Do they not see all the issues Microsoft has because of their registry format??? This is NOT a speed or sorting issue. (I could care less about the history, but don't think that will help anyone other than some possible edge cases there either.)
This will also almost certainly kill any chance of reusage of bookmark data by other programs - which could be a really inovative area if the barrier to entry is kept low. They need to read the Art of Unix Programming [faqs.org].
Re:I hope they don't change the tabs too much (Score:4, Informative)
Yes I read the arguments against this is in AUP, but Firefox is an application that runs completely counter to most of what's in there. Firefox is never going to be a Unix application following the advice in AUP. It wants to be an operating sytem(or platform if you prefer), and not just an application.
Re:I hope they don't change the tabs too much (Score:5, Informative)
Not at all. SQLite is extremely easy to use -- it has bindings for major scripting languages, and trivial queries can be run on the command line. I use the Python bindings in a number of my minor scripts, and it has frequently resulted in a massive performance improvement (as opposed to using flatfiles and writing the data-munging and analysis code myself).
That's all? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:That's all? (Score:5, Informative)
(http://jvillalobos.blogspot.com/)
confirmation (Score:1, Troll)
(http://evil.google.com/)
SVG support (Score:5, Funny)
(http://calum.org/)
So Far So Good .... (Score:3, Informative)
(http://employees.org/~abhinav/blog)
what's really new? (Score:3, Informative)
(http://mijav.dk/)
I read something about they were trying to optimize the renderengine, so it could support cairo and have hardware acceleration... no promises was made, but they expected it to be in 2.0 (correct me if I'm wrong).
I guess the more comprehensive changelog (which isn't available yet) will reveal some more interesting changes - perhaps some nice performance enhancements?
ACID 2 (Score:4, Informative)
I don't personally think that the ACID 2 test is the be-all end-all test, but I know the question will be asked, hence the post.
Tabbed browser update complaint (Score:1)
The close button itself sucks. Take the one from the Firefox 1.5 Mac theme. It's much nicer.
Also, the button should be grayed out (or invisible) unless the mouse is on the tab bar.
XForms support? (Score:3, Interesting)
Firefox 2 (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://www.level80.co.uk/ | Last Journal: Monday June 12 2006, @05:34AM)
Version inflation (Score:3)
(Last Journal: Sunday July 16 2006, @03:31AM)
Well, Slackware did it. FreeBSD did it.
Even NetBSD did it.
I'm waiting for Mac OS 11.
Worth the jump in major numbering? (Score:3, Interesting)
(http://www.arklinux.org/ | Last Journal: Wednesday April 25 2007, @01:38PM)
I'm definitely not seeing that here with Bon Echo.
Not that this is a bad thing -- heck, I'm as much against featuritis as the next guy. But frankly I see less change here than from 1.0 to the Deer Park alphas.
IMHO the #1 thing the guys should have focused on for the 2.0 release was to make Firefox a XULRunner application.
libstdc++ (Score:2, Informative)
FF Extensions Contest (Score:2, Interesting)
(http://www.joshfink.net/)
Portable version just posted (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.cybernetnews.com/?p=417 [cybernetnews.com]
How soon to version 3.0? (Score:3, Interesting)
Is this good or bad? I think Firefox will end up becoming bloated and bug ridden just like IE if they keep up this kind of product update cycle. Firefox 1.5 hasn't even been out for 6 months and they are previewing version 2.0.
While I do think that some open source projects move a long at a pace that make snails impatient, I have found that this quick turnaround for FireFox versions isn't beneficial in the long run. I have found there to be more problems in each new version, and I have stopped using Thunderbird for several problems that haven't been addressed yet (such as opening up the wrong email when you click on a header).
I think Mozilla should slow down a bit, or at least go back to the
What is Bon Echo & FF2 Alpha does not update (Score:1)
Disgruntledly,
Jim
Browser dreams (Score:4, Interesting)
(http://www.sancairodicopenhagen.com/pro.html)
I envision a web browser which is the browser equivalent of Linux; a collection of simple programs performing very specific and narrowly defined tasks, all working through clean APIs or protocols. The HTML rendering being split off entirely, the javascript in its own library, image rendering separate, cookie management, security features, history management, bookmarks display, etc. Ideally, the various parts would be so simple that the barriers to development would be lowered drastically resulting in the organic rise of alternatives in the various segments; imagine having a flamewar over which js rendering plugin/library were better!
Extensions are not the solution by far. The functionality decentralization necessary to realize the vision of a browser like this far exceeds what the design idea behind extensions was.
Firefox will never be this. The only thing I've seen which might be salvaged into some sort of semblance of this vision is Kazehakaze, though that remains to be seen (I'm not sure you can even hotswap html rendering in Kazhakaze; I've never managed to keep it from crashing for long enough to test).
Screenshots (Score:4, Informative)
My favourite bug... (Score:5, Funny)
(http://www.spearhead.de/)
Bug 9458 [mozilla.org] (referrer block for links from slash), "Implement inline-block in layout" hast its 7th birthday coming up.
How easy to retrieve SQLlite data in case of crash (Score:2)
(http://www.libbintech.com/)
This situation just happened yesterday. A client's PC went down hard. I popped out the hard drive and tossed it into my machine. I was able to copy the bookmarks file, mailbox files, etc from their Mozilla software quite easily with a single cp command. Their new PC arrives, and some quick drag and drops has everything back to normal.
Now with this SQLlite layer, will I be able to do this just as easily? I pray that Thunderbird never decides to go this route!
Faster? Smaller? Better? (Score:1)
Fantastic - I can now write in spirals (Score:1)
(http://www.advogato....diary.html?start=9#0)
Design for FF, typically works in IE (Score:2, Interesting)
Is the download manager still broken? (Score:1)
Extension Security? (Score:1)
(http://klenwell.net/ | Last Journal: Thursday February 08 2007, @12:41PM)
Updates to the extension system to provide enhanced security and to allow for easier localization of extensions
but doesn't elaborate.
I've always wondered about extension security. I looked into it a bit a while ago and came to the conclusion that it relied on the integrity/reputation of the developer and the vigilance of the community.
Maybe somewhere here knows the answers to these questions or can shoot back a link:
Are there any safeguards within the browser architecture itself that would, say, prevent an extension that blocked pop-ups from logging keystrokes or otherwise acting as spyware?
How are extensions reviewed before being linked from the Mozilla developers' page? Is that the job of the comments section at the bottom of the page?
Can extensions be unsafe?
Tom
Known Issues (Score:1, Informative)
From TFA: [mozilla.org]
Extensions (Score:2)
(http://booktextmark.mozdev.org/)
System Requirements (Score:1)
For running on Mac OS the minimum requrements are:
Operating Systems
* Mac OS X 10.2.x and later
Minimum Hardware
* Macintosh computer with a PowerPC G3, G4, or G5 processor
* 128 MB RAM (Recommended: 256 MB RAM or greater)
* 4 GB hard drive space
I don't know what you need the 4 GB of hard drive space for (52MB for both windows and linux)...
Link:
http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/system-requirement
For those who want multiple versions of Firefox (Score:3, Informative)
Running multiple Firefox versions concurrently
http://www.jeroencoumans.nl/journal/multiple-fire
Features vs. Plugins (Score:1)
Where is MNG support (Score:1)
Embeddable/Extended Browser Component (Score:1)
(http://www.chrislott.org/)
What about 1.6? (Score:1)
1.6a1 is the version available on the developers page/nightly builds...
What version comes out next?
Don't ruin tabbed browsing! (Score:2)
(http://slashdot.org/)
In essence, don't ever put little 'close' icons on every tab. It just takes up tab real estate and makes it too easy to accidentally close tabs when navigating. Other programs like Lotus Notes have suffered from this problem.
I've heard a rumour that, sadly, the GNOME terminal might be going down this path.
Tab X's Not as Bad as You Think (Score:1)
firefox broken/dead since 1.0 please fix. (Score:1)
(Last Journal: Monday July 30, @08:40AM)
Can Firefox 2.0 have middle click to open a new window?
I use firefox 0.8 since every time I down load a new version it seems to only open new tab screens. I hate Tabs. And I don't want to left click and pull down.
I got two answers, one said use the right menu. wrong answer. the other said use the menu tools:options well that was moved to edit:pref... in pre 1.0 versions. no help yet. Then I was moded down, like some old trash.
Don't mod me down, I realy want an answer. ... or I guess firefox is
become a wast. ... "move along nothing to see here.
The other wast are people miss using there mod points. asking questions, perhaps questions other might ask, is a valid way to /.
Re:Will Firefox 2.0 support the latest standards? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Javascript debugger? (Score:2)
(http://sharpy.xox.pl/ | Last Journal: Wednesday September 14 2005, @02:12PM)
Re:So basically ... (Score:2, Insightful)
If by Microsoft-esque you mean that version 1 has the features to keep 99% of the user base happy, you're absolutely right.
As far as the "average user" is concerned, what features is Firefox actually missing right now? It renders webpages, keeps bookmarks, has tabs and stores webpage passwords. That's enough for the vast majority of the world's users.
But would you prefer that the development team declare victory and stop coding? The Firefox team could stop development today and Joe User would be happily surfing with Firefox version 1 for many years to come. Any new developments are going to be for that last 1% category, because everyone else is happy.
Re:Will Firefox 2.0 support the latest standards? (Score:4, Funny)
It will not. 2.0 is about non-rendering features.
Because of the huge changes going on in the Gecko rendering engine the Gecko team needs more time to work on it. 3.0 with the new Cairo-based Gecko 1.9 is scheduled for Q1 2007. See the Mozilla Wiki for more information [mozilla.org].
Re:can middle click, open new window? (Score:1)