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Mass Innovation and Disruptive Change

Posted by Zonk on Sat Mar 11, 2006 01:32 PM
from the look-to-the-internets-for-inspiration dept.
bart_scriv writes "The new head of MIT's Media lab argues that societal advances, previously the domain of a small group of individuals, will now become the product of millions of people due to changes in education and technology. He also offers advice to would be start-ups and entrepreneurs, including an argument against instrumentalism: 'The successful will look for fundamental disruptive change.'" There sure do seem to be a lot of creative people doing projects on the web today. What do you folks think of this?
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  • Well (Score:4, Insightful)

    by AoT (107216) on Saturday March 11 2006, @01:37PM (#14898897) Homepage Journal
    As much as I hate the term, blogs seem to be an opening manifestation of this. Just like there are a whole lot of people out there who can write but, up til now have had no method of publishing, there are a lot of really amazing ideas out there that just plain never get heard or implemented. Open source has changed that a bit, but I expect it to start snowballing sooner rather than later.
    • Re:Well (Score:3, Funny)

      As much as I hate the term, blogs seem to be an opening manifestation of this.
      I'm right there with you. Seeing "manifestation" every five minutes gets on my nerves too.
    • Re:Well (Score:4, Interesting)

      by ChrisGilliard (913445) <christopher,gilliard&gmail,com> on Saturday March 11 2006, @02:18PM (#14899050) Homepage
      Yes, I believe we're at the early stages of adopting the internet. Kids already know how to use the internet better than their parents. As people grow up using the internet there will be extrodinary breakthroughs of capabilities. Currently, there are only 1 billion (of the total 6 billion people on the planet) that use the internet. Almost all these people have dial up connections and are still relativly inexperienced. The don't read Slashdot or digg.com or go to flickr.com or myspace. They don't have a blog at blogspot. Imagine when we have 6 billion people with high speed connections that do all these things and more. The impacts on society will be incredible and this WILL happen.
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    • You are delusional. (Score:2, Interesting)

      The more disruption you do with this technology, the more laws will be created to reverse the disruption. You can have any technology you want, and it's not going to change that fact that unless the internet promotes conservative values, and respects the f
  • A lot of creative people (Score:5, Insightful)

    by gkuz (706134) on Saturday March 11 2006, @01:37PM (#14898900)
    There sure do seem to be a lot of creative people doing projects on the web today. What do you folks think of this?

    Seems to me they're far outnumbered by the un-creative people.

    Concepts like "good design" and "good programming" are skills that take training, practice and work. Woodworking tools are cheap, ubiquitous and far more capable than what was available 20, 40 or 60 years ago. Where are all the people building beautiful, elegant and functional furniture?

    • Re:A lot of creative people (Score:2, Insightful)

      Woodworking tools are cheap, ubiquitous and far more capable than what was available 20, 40 or 60 years ago.

      Well, with the possible exception of the power router I might argue with this, but I think I'll just restrain myself to the opinion that musical com
    • Woodworking tools require money and, more importantly, space.

      • Computers aren't exactly free either, and while you can get small form factor ones (eg laptops), my desk is fairly large...
        • True, but a table saw, band saw, workbecnch, etc, take up significantly more space, especially considering the sawdust that makes a workshop incompatible with a living room space unlike a computer. As somone living in an apartment but wanting a workshop, t

    • I have a late-1930s drill press in my basement. Purchased by my great-grandfather. Almost 70 years old. I replaced the power cord, and need to investigate why the return spring doesn't work; it may need replacing as well.

      A modern drill press is only a t
  • That's funny (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 11 2006, @01:40PM (#14898910)
    The new head of MIT's Media lab argues that societal advances, previously the domain of a small group of individuals, will now become the product of millions of people due to changes in education and technology.

    That's funny... because it seems to me that in the last 20 years education has only gotten worse and worse.

    The head of MIT's Media lab is himself specifically in that small group of individuals that is traditionally associated with societal change. And moreover he's buried far enough inside that group that I don't think he can see that America's educational infrastructure outside MIT is just plain crumbling to the point where the group of individuals equipped to change the world (or at least America) is if anything shrinking...
    • Re:That's funny (Score:3, Insightful)

      Traditional elementry and high school education has suffered in recent years. You're right about this. But, college education has improved greatly. Also, professional certifications have improved. Think about all the people going to Junior colleges now to
    • Re:That's funny (Score:3, Insightful)

      That's funny... because it seems to me that in the last 20 years education has only gotten worse and worse.

      My daughter's school is noticably better than in my day. Anyhow, I don't think school matters much in the US, to be frank. School tends to focus on
      • Re:That's funny (Score:3, Insightful)

        So you're saying the US is one giant consumer herd. And those who can manipulate the herd the best will be the most successful. Sounds about right.
        • Re:That's funny (Score:2, Insightful)

          So you're saying the US is one giant consumer herd. And those who can manipulate the herd the best will be the most successful. Sounds about right.

          Not one giant heard, but many. Because of immigration and ad saturation, we are a fairly diverse test-bed f
  • True (Score:5, Interesting)

    by pHatidic (163975) on Saturday March 11 2006, @01:41PM (#14898912) Homepage
    Right now we are going through another bubble I think with venture capital. Too many stupid ideas are getting funded. It pains me to see these new Ajax sites launched every day and to spend five seconds looking at them and know they have no chance of ever succeeding. At least they fail cheaply.

    I think the bottleneck right now is much more on the creativity and business side than it is on the hardware/software side. If you want to be a tech entrepreneur than learn business skills, you can always find someone to help you with hardware and software. Of course you need to understand what is possible, be able to tell the difference between a good and bad programmer, etc.
    • Re:True (Score:2, Insightful)

      Right now we are going through another bubble I think with venture capital. Too many stupid ideas are getting funded.

      Because of the pro-rich administration, the wealthy have too much money these days (perhaps at our expense) and so are using their spare
  • He can't be serious... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by fremen (33537) on Saturday March 11 2006, @01:45PM (#14898930)
    Isn't this coming from the director of the laboratory whose only successful prodcut is a glowing green ball that changes colors with the stock market? [ambientdevices.com]

    Seriously, what kind of disruptive innovation has ever come from the MIT Media Lab? Companies have put money in there for years and gotten nothing in return.

    By the way, looking for disruptive vs. incremental technology changes is complete and utter nonsense. Entrepreneurs look for where they can make money. There's plenty of money to be made in all kinds of places in our economy, ranging from mom and pop restaurants all the way up to the latest and greatest gizmo. Game changing technology might be interesting or it might not. The road is littered with companies who changed the game and then were crushed by other players.

    Money is made with smart market analysis that asks what do people want and how much are they willing to pay. Throw in a way to keep competitors out, and you have the beginnings (but not everything) of a good startup whether you make new fangled ball bearings or web pages. MIT Media Lab not required.
    • Throw in a way to keep competitors out, and you have the beginnings (but not everything) of a good startup

      Yeah - hurray for artificial barriers such as DRM, propietary formats and bogus patent bullshit. Call me naive, but openness and actually being bett

      • Re:He can't be serious... (Score:3, Insightful)

        I'm going to make a comment that is way out there for Slashdot, but I honestly and completely think this is true:

        The difference between an "evil" barrier to entry and a "good" barrier to entry is marketing.

        Take Google. They have a huge database of webpage
    • Didn't MIDI start from a Media-lab project to record timings and velocities of piano keystrokes, and building a machine to play them back?
    • Re:He can't be serious... (Score:3, Insightful)

      By the way, looking for disruptive vs. incremental technology changes is complete and utter nonsense.

      The question there was about attracting funding. In that context, you're completely wrong.

      Getting startup funding is about offering 10:1 odds on 100:1 mone
  • Disruptive Change (Score:3, Insightful)

    by NitsujTPU (19263) on Saturday March 11 2006, @01:47PM (#14898939)
    There sure do seem to be a lot of creative people doing projects on the web today. What do you folks think of this?

    I think that looking where everyone else is looking is the surest way not to find disruptive change. If you want to invent a disruptive technology, the last place to look is where everyone else is.
  • What a crock (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 11 2006, @01:49PM (#14898950)
    I don't buy his argument. Very few people actually create change in the world. The rest just ride their coat-tails. Smart people are internally motivated - they would succeed in any environment - internet or not. Look at most source projects. Only 1 or 2 people do 99% of the work. All the web brings is a lot of slack-jawed wanna-be gawkers and mediocrity.
    • Re:What a crock (Score:3, Insightful)

      I don't buy his argument. Very few people actually create change in the world. The rest just ride their coat-tails. [...] All the web brings is a lot of slack-jawed wanna-be gawkers and mediocrity.

      I disagree, on three grounds. First, what the web brings is
      • To expand on your point (Score:5, Insightful)

        by pHatidic (163975) on Saturday March 11 2006, @03:30PM (#14899306) Homepage
        A century ago people basically lived in one place their entire lives. Anyone could vouch for you so you didn't need a degree to get a job. Then with the rise of transportation, our new mobility outstripped our identity technology. Thus colleges stepped up as the new middleman to vouch for people. Basically, we regressed from networks back to hierarchies (networks are the most advanced form of social organization).

        But now with the Internet we are basically all connected, so it's basically like living in the same little village for your entire life. Especially since a record of what you say and do is kept on your home page, so you don't really need a third party to vouch for you. I can send off an email to the CEO of almost any company I'd ever want to talk to or work for.

        Also, the fact that as credentialism replaced learning as the reason why most kids go to college, the quality of education greatly suffered. Now it's way more efficient to just sit in a library and read books than it is to go to lectures. I learn more reading a book or two that I did from most of my classes at Cornell, especially since colleges use extremely low quality textbooks most of the time. Some of the textbooks they used at Cornell had advertising in them! Which wouldn't have pissed me off nearly as much if they weren't not only completely useless, but also filled with scores of blatant errors.
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        • Oddly enough... (Score:3, Insightful)


          Frankly, I think the most significant thing undergraduate degrees teach people in preparing to enter nearly any field is how to deal with a hostile, overbearing, inefficient bureaucracy infested with sadistically egotistical ladder-climbing prats and their
  • Gosh. Golly. (Score:4, Interesting)

    by RobotRunAmok (595286) on Saturday March 11 2006, @01:52PM (#14898963)
    There have always been a lot of creative people doing projects on the Web. Ideally, the Web is the province of Creative People, delivering their creative goodness directly to the consumer and bypassing the middlemen, and the tech stuff is transparent, in the background. Nobody goes to a show to see the stage crew, although we know they are there -- somewhere -- and respect their contribution.

    Of course, the geeks built the Web, and were the first to know it was there and what it was capable of. As a result, the content of the early Web tended to be content of interest to geeks. That changed, happily, until the geeks developed streamlined means to manage and post new content, giving birth to 'blogs,' which are again dominated by geek topics. This too, is leveling.

    Now, an awful lot of creative people like to call themselves "geeks" cuz it's (still) trendy, and an awful lot of geeks like to call themselves "creative" cuz they believe it will get them laid. But the hardcore shakers and shamen in each camp know enough not to dilute their efforts by dabbling; they just count on each other to work their respective money-attracting mojo.
  • nope (Score:3, Insightful)

    by sentientbrendan (316150) on Saturday March 11 2006, @02:01PM (#14898990)
    It may be easier for the average guy to write his own song, blog, or whatever, but that doesn't mean that he is contributing to societal advance. Just because it is easier to distribute ideas doesn't mean that it is easier to come up with *good* ideas. If anything I'm worried about all the smart, dedicated, creative people in the world being drowned out by all the morons and hacks, who vastly outnumber them, but in the past were kept quiet to some degree...

    What you have to remember is that good ideas are not distributed evenly. Some people are vastly smarter than others. Vastly more creative than others. Vastly *better* than others by any way you mean to quantify better. You may have access to the modern equivalent of the printing press, but that doesn't mean you can publish the modern equivalent of the Principia Mathematica (either one).

    Blogs are an excellent example of this. Blogs are horrible. They allow people who are too lazy or too ignorant even to build their own website the ability to spread their tawdry and mindless blatherings to the rest of the world. People talk about blogs supplanting traditional news media in some ways, but this is true only because traditionally news media has become so watered down and useless that just about any form of media that doesn't talk to you like a child could supplant it. Blogs are *not* an improvement over a good newspaper... it is just that good newspapers are hard to find these days (the seattle times in pretty good though).
  • "Instrumentalism?" (Score:3, Insightful)

    by drdanny_orig (585847) * on Saturday March 11 2006, @02:16PM (#14899041)
    Excuse my ignorance, but how is this an argument against instrumentalism? I mean, from a scientific POV at least, that means ideas needn't be true so much as useful at explaining things, right? Does "anti-instrumentalism" require objective truth? Or does it demand that ideas not explain anything?
  • by morscata12 (957674) on Saturday March 11 2006, @02:22PM (#14899059) Homepage
    Disruptive change never comes about via the masses. Large groups of people thinking collectively (at best) move slowly; their ideas evolve and change over time. They have to be convinced over large spans of time to accept ideas. The masses do not innovate; they smash ideas down and then accept them.
    What the head of MIT's Media lab should have been saying is that there are a lot more people on the planet than there were before. With increased numbers over the whole and a constant percentage of "smart people," it would appear that smart people are on the rise.
    In the overpopulation of our planet, we are witnessing a lot of smart people being born. We are also witnessing a lot of stupid people being born. Although there may be millions of intelligent humans out there now, there are still billions of stupid ones.
    The group of individuals making the change is as small as ever..in terms of how much of the population they take up. And with more stupid people running around, change will happen just as slowly as before (try convincing billions that you are right!)
    One last thought - Those making the changes have always wanted disruptive change, but look at the results of their desires. Communism would have been a massively disruptive change (on paper), but once it was implemented, people were able to smash it back down into the monarchy they were accustomed to.
    • Inkorrekt (Score:3, Insightful)

      Sorry, but its true.

      Disruptive change never comes about via the masses.

      What masses. Masses are composed of people, individual units. Le Bon's contagion theory of mass psychology has been fairly comprehensively disproven, to my satisfaction at leas

  • by SideshowBob (82333) on Saturday March 11 2006, @02:31PM (#14899085)
    Most of what passes for 'creative' on the Web is actually just re-inventing the wheel, poorly. Taking desktop applications and putting an AJAX interface on them and running them on a web server. They're slower, take control away from the user, and have worse user interfaces and features. But hey, it's on the Web!!! Web based word processing! Web based calendars! Oooh!
  • All disruptive change will lead to, is a reversal of those changes. Instead of trying to change, we should take a more conservative approach. Most people are not looking forward to change.
  • I tried reading the article looking for the relevance of mere numbers in changing the optimal size of a disruptive team. I also tried looking up "instrumentalism". Making sense isn't real high on the list of priorities here is it?
  • Disruptive technology defined (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward
    The guru on disruptive technology seems to be Clayton M. Christensen. He is Harvard prof. who has written several books including "The Innovator's Dilemma". His version of disruptive technology is that established companies have a hard time taking advant
  • View from the coal face... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by vik (17857) on Saturday March 11 2006, @02:57PM (#14899183) Homepage Journal
    As part of a team engaged in a disruptive Open Source hardware project (http://reprap.org/ [reprap.org] I have to say that the guy is almost right. Yes, advances come from large teams, but they need a small, dense and enthusiastic core to start the ball rolling.

    What is essential for a project to spread, other than being useful to the users, it the ability to replicate it on demand. With software, this is pretty easy. With hardware it is currently more difficult, but we're fixing that.

    What astounds me is the inability of the commercial world and economists in particular to recognise that there are ways of creating disruptive technologies without being limited by the need to make a profit. I can see a two-teir world developing before my eyes, with the commercial sector deriding anything that is not profitable on the grounds that it'll never spread. Software is so far the only exception to this pseudo-rule, but within 2 years the same will start to apply to hardware as multi-material 3D printers become available for under $1,000.

    Vik :v)
      • Re:View from the coal face... (Score:3, Insightful)

        Regardless of whether something makes a profit or not, economists should be interested in how the technology will affect their market. As things stand, they almost universally dismiss any advance that does not make a profit even if it stands to make a majo
  • Oh, the irony (Score:4, Insightful)

    by dubl-u (51156) * <2523987012@NOSPAM.pota.to> on Saturday March 11 2006, @03:03PM (#14899210)
    There must be a dozen people here posting half-considered arguments about how the internet just enables mediocre people to blather, and doesn't do anything for the gods who walk among us. I'm hoping these are very cleverly ironic, rather than self-defeating.
  • Trends say otherwise (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Arandir (19206) on Saturday March 11 2006, @03:07PM (#14899231) Homepage Journal
    The trends say otherwise. Glenn Reynold's new book, "An Army of Davids", is a good treatment of the subject. Here's my take:

    The Industrial Revolution was characterized by economies of scale. Large steam engines, huge factories, massive capital expenditures, etc. But this is the Information Age, which doesn't need economies of scale. Small is better, and the individual is rising in importance. The two centuries that gave us collectivism, groupthink and the centralization, are giving way to a time of individualism and decentralization.

    Software is an example. The old industrialist model of software development is to have rows and rows of programmers sitting in cubicles, each working on one small part of the whole. The model promotes outsourcing to the cheapest possible programmer with the required skillset. But that model is rapidly fading away, to be replaced with small teams and distributed collaboration. In contrast to the article's premise, innovation in software is routinely performed by individuals.
  • Wonderful (Score:3, Funny)

    by Metasquares (555685) <slashdot.metasquared@com> on Saturday March 11 2006, @06:12PM (#14899957) Homepage
    I finally find an innovative idea that no one's done before, and some guy at MIT just blurts it out to millions of people one day. Great.
    • Re:The masses WILL innovate (Score:3, Insightful)

      I agree. Money will be an important factor in this as A) not being wealthy makes it hard to innovate and B) those with wealth will use it to keep the market and legal system working to their advantage. Eventually this dam will break but it'll take a while.
      • Re:The masses WILL innovate (Score:4, Insightful)

        by BoRegardless (721219) on Saturday March 11 2006, @02:06PM (#14899009)
        You noted "A) not being wealthy makes it hard to innovate".

        I hasten to dissagree.

        MIT is concerned with astonishingly advanced innovation, but that is the rarest form of innovation.

        Most innovation is in smaller products with more creative thought processes using existing technology, than in creating whole new technologies. Thes smaller products and projects can often easily be something a person or two do and create a 10-50 million dollar company.

        Lots of examples exist, but they really don't get the headlines, as the pizzazz is not there for news orgs.
        [ Parent ]
        • Is it still innovation if your innovation never gets used by anybody? I innovate ideas daily but I don't have the money to get 99.9% of them out there while I watch wealthy companies continue to put out crap products that lack innovation. Innovations nobod
            • Exactly. If you don't have money your innovations aren't going to go anywhere and that kills the vast majority of innovation before it has the chance to do anything for anybody. Sure if you work 100 hours a week and get out there and really sale your idea
        • You may become wealthy if you start off at least middle class or work for years towards that goal but meanwhile you have to struggle so that many innovations that could have been are wasted. If you're struggling to feed yourself and keep a roof over your h
    • This is just scary. Only the most undereducated or unsophisticated person thinks of a game as a way to kill time. Games are, and always has been, the primary form of socialization. The game teaches the kid, in a safe environment, the rules and expectations