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University of Twente NOC Fire Arson
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on Mon Nov 25, 2002 10:37 AM
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from the bad-bad-leroy-brown dept.
Lars writes "A 26-year old man from Hengelo has admitted to deliberately setting fire to the Network Operations Centre of University of Twente, last Wednesday. The fire gutted two wings of the building and devastated one of the fastest networks in Europe.
The arsonist is an employee of the University, which must come as quite a shock to those involved.
The University released a short statement to the press.
It mentions that the total damage caused is roughly 40-50 million euros (about the same in dollars) and that the guy was caught last Friday, when he tried to set fire to one of the faculty buildings."
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Umm... (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Umm... (Score:5, Funny)
Is a happy employee ... (Score:5, Funny)
Punishment (Score:4, Funny)
I guess those Euro's don't go for that sort of thing though, do they?
wow.. (Score:4, Funny)
Why? (Score:2)
In English (Score:5, Informative)
English text here [utwente.nl].
I guess.... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:I guess.... (Score:5, Funny)
Somethign tells me this guy who burnt the place down, will not go to the tropics to meet woman. Instead he is going to prison and meet Bubba; the A$$ Plow.
Re:Prison rape is no joke (Score:4, Funny)
I do not think that using that signature was a good idea. People might get the wrong idea about Prisons, rape and God.
Re:I guess.... (Score:5, Interesting)
My name is Dam Backer. I am from The Netherlands and I switched to the US 6 years ago.
(all of the above might not be perfectly accurate, but it schetches an idea of the philosophy of the Dutch punishment system)
Re:I guess.... (Score:5, Informative)
I also want to point out that judges aren't elected, so they aren't forced to punish harder to appease the people* that believe the "Crime is increasing"-mantra that the media like to perpetrate (and have for hundreds of years. They complained about it during roman times and ever since.).
*True democracy is the average man deciding who is smart enough to govern them. It's not the average man making decisions on complex matters which they cannot (be expected to) understand in detail. The people should choose the goals and judge the elected men and women on the results they achieve. Politicians should be allowed to try and achieve these goals with a coherent set of decisions. That's why I don't like these micro-management elections or referenda for that matter. </rant> Sorry, had to get that off my chest.
Security.debian.org / Disaster recovery (Score:5, Interesting)
Brings up a good point in disaster recovery: How many organizations have machines at various places that they can't recover from a total loss?
For those none too fluent in dutch: (Score:5, Informative)
How's he gonna repay it? (Score:4, Insightful)
So, this guy gets out when he is 30yrs old, can find a job and move on with his life looking for more buildings to burn down. isnt there something wrong with that?
Re:How's he gonna repay it? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:How's he gonna repay it? (Score:5, Insightful)
Well, presumably he'd be required to disclose his conviction to potential employers. I sure wouldn't hire him at that point - if he's a disgruntled employee then I don't want to hire him and possibly piss him off. If he's a fire bug then I just don't want him around, period. He could not report that he was convicted, but unless he gets an entirely new identity a routine background check will show the conviction. This is why more and more companies are doing background checks now.
As far as paying back the damages, it's the insurance company that's going to have to suck up the cost of replacement. Yeah, I know - it means everyone who uses that insurerer will have to pay higher premiums for some time. But they're the ones that would have to sue for damages. And they very well may. But getting repaid is obviously not going to happen.
The idea of debtor's prison is long gone, and for a good reason. The idea was that if you caused material harm then you could be thrown in jail until you repaid the harm. But it's rather difficult to earn money when imprisoned, which leads to a rather vicious circle. Debtors prison was often used to perpetually incarcerate political or business opponents. Let's not even think about bringing it back.
Re:How's he gonna repay it? (Score:5, Insightful)
Whatever happened to having "paid one's debt to society"? Assuming that he
does in fact, go to jail and serves time, when does the deeds of one's past no
longer impact who you may be in the future?
SealBeater
Obligatory Simpsons Quote (Score:5, Funny)
Leprachaun: "You've done grand, laddie! Now ya know what ya have ta do! Burn the house down! Burn 'em all!"
Hhhmmm (Score:4, Funny)
(Sorry... couldnt resist)
Good for him (Score:4, Funny)
In English (Score:5, Informative)
Press release Twente Police 25 November 2002
Confession concerning fire UT
The 26-year-old man from Hengelo detained on Friday afternoon has confessed that he also started a fire on the grounds of the University of Twente on Wednesday morning 20 November 2002. In this fire two wings of one of the buildings on the grounds were completely destroyed and damages caused of between 40 and 50 million euro.
The 26-year old was detained Friday afternoon after witnesses had observed the start of a small fire in another building. On the directions of these witnesses the 26-year old could then be detained.
On the how and why of the arson on the 20th no further announcements can be made at this moment. The suspect will be undergo further questioning on this.
We can announce that the 26-year old is an employee of the University of Twente. The University staff has been informed of his confession by now.
He will be brought before the magistrate in Almelo today.
Taking IEEE-1394 the wrong way (Score:2, Funny)
DOS attack (Score:5, Informative)
Re:DOS attack (Score:5, Insightful)
gotta love online translators (Score:4, Funny)
Can anybody make more sense of this more than the original?
No love for the NOC this month (Score:5, Funny)
Others were affected too (Score:4, Interesting)
Here's the Statement (Score:2)
I (almost) hate to say it... (Score:4, Funny)
They asked him to install the new "firewall"...
Translation of the Statement (Score:4, Informative)
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A 26-year old man from Hengelo admitted sunday evening that he started a fire on wednesday 20th of November that incinerated 2 wings of the University of Twente building.
He was arrested after witnesses saw him at another small fire on campus.
Police can make no statements about why and how he did it. However the police confirms that he works at the University.
--
Take the admission with a grain of salt. (Score:2)
This is probaly true -- but he may not be the guy without cooroborating evidence.
Silly man - now he'll go from (Score:3, Funny)
o - arse before jail
O - arse after jail.
Well... (Score:2, Insightful)
I guess that this has been a painful learning experience for the SAs.
Press update: (Score:1)
Stony Brook Hired an Arsonist (Score:2, Interesting)
The worst part was he burnt down the warehouse with toilet paper and lightbulbs. The insurance company refused to pay, because the school didn't perform even a basic background check which would have given away the man's background.
The worst part was taking exams in rooms to dark to power the solar-powered calculators. Some professors resorted to carrying lightbulbs from room to room.
The Real Enemy... (Score:5, Interesting)
If I don't post again before Thanksgiving, Happy Turkey day ya'll.
Re:The Real Enemy... (Score:4, Funny)
it's a well know fact, that the worst enemy of all (high) availability resides on OSI layer 8. I think 62% is a pretty low number, the reality is higher. In all cases where the unlucky bastards manages to cover his tracks, technology will take the blame. Other than the people involved it doesn't argue about it.
Yours, Martin
University is also to blame (Score:5, Interesting)
Though the arsonist takes a huge part of the blame, i think the university also made some faults. Why put your servers in a building that burns that well? If you have so much expensive equipment, you should consider everything, including arson! A few days ago they were happy that no asbestos was released because it was removed shortly ago. But isn't asbestos a fire retarder??
Anyhow this fire is a huge problem for the university. When i was studying there 2 years ago, their biggest trouble was the financing of new buildings. They were supposed to build a new combined building for Physics, Electronics and Chemistry. When the drawings were almost finished they had to scap the whole thing. Right now several buildings are way beyond their lifetime and could technically be shut down to regulations any moment. Most buildings are already extended with temporary containers (Portacabins). And now this..... If they were a company this would certainly be their bankruptcy.
Re:University is also to blame (Score:4, Informative)
They were already planning a new NOC, which should have become operational in a couple of months.
Re:University is also to blame (Score:4, Informative)
Don't worry about that. The temporary www.utwente.nl website is hosted at a temporary site just across the street (but it sits at the same subnet as some of our own servers, never had a
Though the arsonist takes a huge part of the blame, i think the university also made some faults. Why put your servers in a building that burns that well? If you have so much expensive equipment, you should consider everything, including arson! A few days ago they were happy that no asbestos was released because it was removed shortly ago. But isn't asbestos a fire retarder??
I think it's partly because of historical reasons. The building was built in 1974 and even back then it was already called the TW/RC building because it came with a computer room.
I believe the University is assured against fire, but I'm afraid that these researchers who lost years of their research in the flames have no other option that to do it all again
Re:University is also to blame (Score:5, Insightful)
Way to go, guys... (Score:2, Funny)
Fire Code (Score:3, Interesting)
German anyone? (Score:1)
Not Surprised (Score:1)
Scotty pages still up (Score:2, Informative)
Imagine.. (Score:1, Troll)
duck
Sorry..
I'm sure they're holding him liable (Score:1)
Security (Score:2, Interesting)
New punishment for destorying NOCs... (Score:4, Funny)
The PC has 2 or more network cards, and one program on the system. The only interface is a mouse.
The delinquent sees as many windows on the screen as there are NICs in the computer. They manually route packets by identifying a packet header in hex in the window, and dragging that packet from the window it's coming from to the window it should be routed to.
They would be checked by an automatic router in operation in the background, and would be given further punishment if they route packets incorrectly.
Their sentence term would simply be to route as many packets as were lost due to their actions.
-Adam
I believe thats my stapler... (Score:2, Redundant)
Appropriate Punishment? (Score:1)
Silly arsonist. No play with matches!
Now they'll set their own fire! (Score:1)
C'mon, give the poor guy a break (Score:2, Funny)