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Compressed Beyond Recognition: An MP3 Compendium

Posted by timothy on Fri Jul 28, 2000 10:05 AM
from the tea-in-harbor-or-tears-in-teacup? dept.
The reaction to the turning off of Napster's servers has been fast and furious. Whether you feel that unauthorized copying of music is a basic human right, the moral equivalent of "sharing" for yourself merchandise from Tower Records' loading dock, or somewhere in the fuzzy gray area between, you should at least know how the decision to turn off Napster for the moment has focused the various public reactions. Read on to see just a sampling of the numerous stories throughout the media related to this story.

Point Of Order, Point of Clarification Justin Maurer writes:

"it's come to my attention that a lot of news organisations, and napster themselves, have been twisting words around in this whole napster case. if you'll bear with me for a second, i can try and clear up a little bit of it.

everyone (including napster) keeps saying that the judge ordered napster to be shut down. this is not the case. the judge ordered them to make sure no one is trading copyrighted material, and the result is that napster is telling everyone they've been ordered to shut down. if you'd like, i can provide sources for this information, though i'm going to bed now :)"

[Note from timothy: Here is a link to the Preliminary Injunction Brief (pdf file) from the RIAA site; given the way Napster works, though, it does seem like its grant would have effect of shutting all but the chatroom, doesn't it?]

Are Bassists Smarter Than Drummers? JHancock17 reminds anyone who hasn't to read Courtney Love's speech as reprinted by Salon a while back, and res0 points to this ABC News interview with Chuck D. in which the P.E. frontman continues his eloquent tirade against the music industry as a whole. But Mr. D and Ms. Love have been famous outspoken in favor of Napster and electronic music exchange for a while: Now those stalwarts are joined by another big name. srcosmo writes "Radiohead have become the first British band to condemn the injunction against Napster. Their bassist, Colin Greenwood, showed enthusiasm for the availability of Napsterized live recordings, saying "We have just finished a tour, we played in Barcelona, the next day the entire performance was up on Napster and three weeks later when we got to play in Israel the audience knew the words to all the new songs and it was wonderful." An interesting change from the Metallica look at things- hopefully more artists will follow their lead."

Follow Your Conscience: What You Can Do cLn writes "Napster has been shut down and irc mp3 channels are being flooded by desperate mp3 junkies. What they don't know is that there are ways around this small problem. Napigator is a windows program that'll help the napster client connect to other servers other than the few it trys. Tripnosis works alot like napster, but you can download other files (zip, arj, rar, mov, avi, mpeg, jpg, gif, ect...), you can also search through online users files using the sites search engine."

And DrEldarion points to "http://www.kripto.org/blocks/, "an anonymous distributed file transfer system designed for people with permanent 'always on' Internet connections;" good explanation on the site itself of how it differs from other such systems.

Mad Ross (Ross McKillop) writes "Everyone now knows of the recent decision about napster's future. This is unfortunate and many still agree unreasonable but I am attempting to gather all the open source clients and alternative servers in one place and create an organised network of replacement napster servers... If anyone is interested in helping by...

  • contributing a client
  • helping as a server operator
  • running a napster server
  • etc...
or just want's to be kept informed about what is happening then please please eMail napsterlives@madross.co.uk or visit madross.co.uk -- there should be napster related pages there by the time you read this.

What Else You Can Do: Alert The Media (Mavens) battery841 writes "In light of Napster getting an injunction against it by the courts, someone decided to register riaaboycott.org and setup a petition. You sign the petition, and once it's gotten enough signatures, it's going to be sent to numerous sources, including Napster and the RIAA." And as CmdrTaco posted the other day, there are boycotts in the air.

Another Angle On The Big Picture: Danse writes "Salon is running an article with reactions from all sorts of people connected to the music industry, Napster, Napster alternatives, etc. It's pretty interesting reading. Everything from the arrogance of Jack Valenti to the apparent cluelessness of Erwin Drake to the insightfulness of Glenn Reynolds to the amazingly short (obviously not written by Lars) comment by Metallica. To sum things up, the industry thinks this is a big win and that they now have a chance to offer consumers music downloads on their own terms. This displays their current lack of understanding of the real problems that users are seeking to remedy with Napster and the other music/file trading options. Napster supporters and alternatives feel that it's a loss for free speech, but that in the long run it will only hurt the record industry as people move to litigation-proof solutions."

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  • Napster and Havenco [partly OT] by Nohbody (Score:1) Saturday July 29 2000, @12:34AM
  • Re:Non-RIAA CDs [Slightly OT] by Trepidity (Score:2) Saturday July 29 2000, @10:26AM
  • Re:Alternative Tentacles by tssm0n0 (Score:1) Sunday July 30 2000, @04:13AM
  • Re:Flamebait by Segfault 11 (Score:1) Sunday July 30 2000, @04:01PM
  • Re:Oh really? by Kilzall (Score:1) Sunday July 30 2000, @05:31PM
  • Re:There is NO anonymity. by admiral_nelson (Score:1) Monday July 31 2000, @09:44AM
  • Re:Gnutella by Grahf666 (Score:1) Monday July 31 2000, @09:49AM
  • Re:Oh really? by Gurlia (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @06:45AM
  • Re:Too Many Options? by Another MacHack (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:45AM
  • Re:The tip of the iceberg by CyberKnet (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:45AM
  • Stand Your Ground (Score:3)

    by eries (71365) <slashdot-eric.sneakemail@com> on Friday July 28 2000, @06:46AM (#897175) Homepage
    Intellectual property rights are not as black and white as the record companies would like you to believe. Copyright is a relatively new concept in the history of Civilization. I won't belabor the point, I'll let RMS do it. Seriously, if you haven't read this article, read it. It's the clearest and most concise analysis of the situation I've seen. Just like you would never use the word "hacker" to describe scr1pt k1d33Z, you shouldn't use the word "pirate" to describe Napster users.

    http://www.gnu.org/philos ophy/reevaluating-copyright.html [gnu.org]

  • by Booker (6173) on Friday July 28 2000, @06:07AM (#897176) Homepage
    I agree that supporting Napster is a little hazy. On the one hand, it's just a distribution system. On the other hand, it's designed specifically to distribute files that are currently about 99% copyright infringing.

    As some people have said, boycotting the RIAA may just be a very small drop in the bucket.

    A more positive thing might be to go to MP3, and shell out $10 for a non-RIAA artist. If 10,000 people don't buy CDs at Tower, it'd be a pretty small blip.

    If 10,000 people went to MP3.com and bought a CD there, it'd get noticed.

    That'd be a way to say "Online music distribution is important" without saying "I want to steal my music."
  • Re:*sigh* by Suidae (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:46AM
  • Re:Non-RIAA CDs [Slightly OT] by AhNewBis (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:07AM
  • Napster = Network by interiot (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:46AM
  • Re:Turning off napster = more bandwidth for us by Naerbnic (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:07AM
  • Re:The tip of the iceberg by Covener (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:10AM
  • Re:Too Many Options? by Quietust (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:49AM
  • by Gurlia (110988) on Friday July 28 2000, @06:10AM (#897183)

    This may be totally off the wall, but an idea just occurred to me...

    The central reason why you can't hide your IP after establishing a connection is because the connection is directly from your machine to the other person's machine. The idea is this: why not drop the requirement of a direct connection? You can route your connection through another machine...

    And who says this has to resemble anything like Napster's centralized topology? Any arbitrary client machine can act as a "router". In fact, you can even be simultaneously a "router" and serving files through another "router" to mask your identity. And this doesn't have to be just one level deep; you can have several "router" machines between you and the client. And you don't have to worry whether one of the "routers" in the chain will break; since the whole protocol is distributed anyway, I'm sure it's possible to come up with a self-correcting protocol that will allow alternative routes easily.

    One way to implement this is for the protocol not to publish IP's of where files are, but just say, "123.123.123.123 is a machine that knows where file XXXX resides", so if you're looking for file XXXX, you connect to 123.123.123.123, which doesn't have the file but knows where it can get the file from (which, itself, may be another router).

    I know network people will scream "INEFFICIENT!" but it's just the turn-around time that's slowed down. Once the file transfer begins, it's basically a pipeline between the source host and the destination client, so the throughput will still be reasonably fast. And since any participating machine can act as a "router", there won't be a problem of router congestion.

    What do you network experts out there think of this idea? :-)
    ---

  • Re:Paradigm Shifts by gelatinous typeglob (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:10AM
  • Re:D(r)ummers by TheTomcat (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:50AM
  • Re:*sigh* by Suidae (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:51AM
  • Re:Paying for MP3's by Wah (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:11AM
  • Re:Too Many Options? by MasterMnd (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:11AM
  • by K8Fan (37875) on Friday July 28 2000, @06:12AM (#897189) Journal
    But as it's been noted countless times before there are at least half a dozen alternatives to Napster, including Gnutella, CuteMX, Freenet, OpenNAP, IRC #mp3z and #mp3s, etc. The RIAA won't touch many of those. They're just getting bad press, that's all.

    Sadly, CuteMX (great software, stupid name) lockedd their users out yesterday. They have central servers and are could be sued. Besides, they had a lot of people trading movies. Well, corrrection: they had a lot of people talking about trading movies; the vast majority had connections too slow to succeed in actually getting any movies.

    In spite of my respect for Justin Frankel, Gnutella is more interesting politically than as an actual program. None of the clients seemed to be easy to use, or very effective at searching. Also, Gnutella lacks chat and the ability to browse other users lists. The whole idea is to see what people with tastes similar to your taste like.

    BTW, a nice looking Napster client will be released today: Naphoria's audioGnome [homestead.com]. It has resumeing, the ability to view multiple servers at once, the ability to search across multiple servers. Joe Bob says check it out. No, no Linux client yet.
  • Napigator by ewichern (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:12AM
  • Re:There is NO anonymity. by jabber (Score:1) Monday July 31 2000, @10:46AM
  • Well I have some news for you... by choke (Score:1) Wednesday August 09 2000, @08:12AM
  • Re:Wow by K8Fan (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @06:51AM
  • Re:Paying for MP3's by FascDot Killed My Pr (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:52AM
  • Re:Can we have a Napster topic? by ianezz (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:53AM
  • Canadians can have napster type servers by .Tacitus. (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @06:54AM
  • Re:Non-RIAA CDs [Slightly OT] by mvh (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:12AM
  • Re:*sigh* ARRgghh! by Suidae (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:54AM
  • Re:A message to Big Music by Roundeye (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @06:12AM
  • I do buy my music through mp3.com by wrenling (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @06:15AM
  • Re:Turning off napster = more bandwidth for us by Naerbnic (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:55AM
  • Gnutella (Score:3)

    by tealover (187148) on Friday July 28 2000, @05:10AM (#897202)
    Is it true that you have to publish your IP address before using the service? That's just what I need. The RIAA trying to make an example of me. Are there any services where you can remain anonymous, or at least give the appearance that you're anonymous?
  • MP3/ Napster / etc. "paper" I wrote... by mgoren (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:55AM
  • Re:The tip of the iceberg by phil reed (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:16AM
  • Missing the Point by lpp (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @06:17AM
  • Artists can use MP3 to get successfful: Elwood by Nailer (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:58AM
  • Re:Paying for MP3's by KahunaBurger (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:18AM
  • Prelimenary Injunction by mindstrm (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @06:18AM
  • Re:gnutella by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:18AM
  • Re:Non-RIAA CDs [Slightly OT] by um... Lucas (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:42AM
  • Re:why doesn't the RIAA by supabeast! (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:42AM
  • Don't organize a boycott - CALL CONGRESS by jmoloug1 (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:42AM
  • Tapes must be outlawed. by Zarniwoop (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:59AM
  • better option by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:42AM
  • Re:Oh really? by Ty (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:00AM
  • Re:Paying for MP3's by FascDot Killed My Pr (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:43AM
  • Napster's Problem by drinkypoo (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @07:43AM
  • Re:*sigh* This is getting rediculous... by Suidae (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:01AM
  • Re:Two news coverage things that bug me. by cith (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:44AM
  • now only the smart will prevail by VicBond007 (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @07:02AM
  • Re:*sigh* by Error27 (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:44AM
  • Re:RIAA could work with Thomson Multimedia. by KjetilK (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:03AM
  • Re:The tip of the iceberg by gando (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:18AM
  • Re:I wonder what Will Smith would say by RogueLoup (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:18AM
  • Re:Non-RIAA CDs [Slightly OT] by jafac (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:45AM
  • Re:Turning off napster = more bandwidth for us by Peyna (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:04AM
  • Re:Start dumping mp3s into netnews? by Blade (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:18AM
  • Does it really matter? by Pinky (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:04AM
  • Re:Hell with Napster, use Gnutella or Freenet! by Error27 (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @07:05AM
  • Re:An idea for harder-to-track Gnutella by superkorn (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:21AM
  • Gnutella is about to get a whole lot better by DG (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @06:22AM
  • Re:Non-RIAA CDs [Slightly OT] by Danse (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @07:46AM
  • Re:Too Many Options? by Error27 (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:47AM
  • Re:The tip of the iceberg by jafac (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:48AM
  • Re:The uninformed. by Snocone (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @07:06AM
  • Re:MP3.com by um... Lucas (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:49AM
  • Re:litigation-proof solutions. by jafac (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:50AM
  • Re:The tip of the iceberg by Bill Currie (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:07AM
  • Well said by donutello (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:51AM
  • Re:Non-RIAA CDs [Slightly OT] by MrFancyPants (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:07AM
  • Streaming MP3s by loweth (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:23AM
  • WHAT? by rotor (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:23AM
  • Yes! VINYL!!! by JeremyH (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:07AM
  • Re:Turning off napster = more bandwidth for us by kurioszyn (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:53AM
  • Re:Oh really? by Spazmoid (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @07:08AM
  • Re:The uninformed. by Lord Kano (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @07:54AM
  • Re:Turning off napster = more bandwidth for us by Adogg (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:23AM
  • Re:OLGA: those who do not learn from history... by Shadow99_1 (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:09AM
  • by Sleepy (4551) on Friday July 28 2000, @07:56AM (#897249) Homepage
    Why the hell was a REDUNDANT post (above) moderated to FOUR? This IS on topic. No offense to the poster, but I call blatant cut-and-paste of someone's post "FISHING".

    Why is it lately that all /. stories have a handful of 4, 5 scoring posts and that's it?

    I propose that when a moderator adds +1 to a 4-score post, they actually SPEND FIVE MODERATOR POINTS.

    Why charge so many points? Because some moderators are lazy, or just want to enforce their ideology and bump up already high like-minded posts. Since these people do seem to value their moderator points, weighting the price of +1 would encourage deeper digging. Moderation is supposed to be a bell curve, and you can't get a feel for the community when you have a dozen posts ALL at 4 or 5 points when the curve looks like a "M".

    I thought about posting this Anonymously, but I know only a minority of moderators would ever read a 0-score post.

  • Ah... I don't THINK so... by Greyfox (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @06:25AM
  • Re: Colin from Radiohead by TuRRIcaNEd (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @07:09AM
  • Re:Did the injunction use the word traded ? by Jeremi (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:25AM
  • Big ol' Bonfire by smagruder (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @07:09AM
  • Re:MP3.com (Score:3)

    by sh00z (206503) <sh00z@yahoNETBSDo.com minus bsd> on Friday July 28 2000, @06:25AM (#897254) Journal
    Another HUGE plus for mp3.com: the Artists get a full 50% of the payment. Go read Roger McGuinn's statements at the Senate hearing [senate.gov] about how he never got royalty checks from Columbia/RIAA, but is now seeing substantial income from mp3.com.

    To me, this is the crux of Napster's case: they should demonstrate that the RIAA, by refusing to embrace on-line distribution, is denying the Artists the legitimate opportunity to earn income from their work.

    (Yes,I have purchased from both mp3.com and Emusic.com, as well as managed to "back-up" ~75% of my vinyl collection from Napster)

  • Re:WHAT? by rotor (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:25AM
  • Re:Start dumping mp3s into netnews? by boog3r (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:26AM
  • Backfire by Animats (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @07:56AM
  • by WNight (23683) on Friday July 28 2000, @07:57AM (#897258) Homepage
    So there was only a market for 90% of the CDs that his label had produced. Someone would get sick of his music and sell it faster than new fans would want to buy it...

    Doesn't sound like used CD stores were putting him out of business, sounds like pathetic music was putting him out of business.
  • Re:The uninformed. by Lord Kano (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:57AM
  • Re:Can we have a Napster topic? by Kiwi (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @07:10AM
  • Re:Ebay! (Score:4)

    by jms (11418) on Friday July 28 2000, @07:58AM (#897261)
    How long will it be before we start hearing "You don't buy the music, you buy a license to use the music the way we say."

    This was the exact argument made by the MPAA in the 2600 DeCSS case. Their argument at trial was that when you buy a DVD, you are only purchasing a license to play that DVD on an MPAA-authorized and licensed DVD player.

  • Re:Paying for MP3's by jafac (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:59AM
  • Looked at Sourceforge Lately? by logiceight (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @07:11AM
  • Re:The tip of the iceberg by kurioszyn (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:59AM
  • Re:MP3.com by MicroBerto (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:00AM
  • Re:Missing the Point by sdo1 (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:00AM
  • by K8Fan (37875) on Friday July 28 2000, @06:27AM (#897267) Journal
    If napster stays shut down for long enough it would be interesting to see the impact on CD sales - or CD sales around universities, or whatever exactly it was all of those damning studies proved.

    Napster's current message:

    We're getting a lot of questions about what people can do to help.

    Here are three things you can do right away.

    1. Write the heads of the major record companies and tell them you are their best customers - loyal and active music fans -- and that you don't want them to kill Napster. Here's a link to their emails: http://www.napster.com/labels.html [napster.com].
    2. Show the companies your power. We're calling for a two-day "buy-cott" this weekend. Support the artists (found here: http://www.napster.com/buycott.html [napster.com]) who support Napster by going out and buying their CDs. Be sure to let the record store know you came from Napster.
    3. Keep coming back. We'll keep you informed as time goes on.
    Of course given how subjective the studies were before it would be hard for an apparent further decrease in sales to "prove" that Napster was good for the recording industry.

    It's going to be impossible to prove anything either way. Up, down or sideways. This is about bullying and potential cooption. One of the major record labels will likely own Napster within the year.

  • Re:Recording industry's slow suicide by Hard_Code (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @06:28AM
  • Flamebait by donutello (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:02AM
  • Re:Paying for MP3's by Shadow99_1 (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:28AM
  • Re:Too Many Options? by rnd() (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:14AM
  • Re:Gnutella by um... Lucas (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:15AM
  • Re:An idea for harder-to-track Gnutella by CyberKnet (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:29AM
  • Re:Too Many Options? by kaniff (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:29AM
  • Re:gnutella by Suidae (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:15AM
  • Two great non-RIAA labels by reason78 (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:30AM
  • Re:Recording industry's slow suicide by jjoyce (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:31AM
  • *sigh* (Score:3)

    by Capt Dan (70955) on Friday July 28 2000, @06:31AM (#897278) Homepage
    "We have just finished a tour, we played in
    Barcelona, the next day the entire performance was up on Napster and
    three weeks later when we got to play in Israel the audience knew the
    words to all the new songs and it was wonderful." An interesting change
    from the Metallica look at things- hopefully more artists will follow their
    lead."


    Ok, so I'm a little tired of all this Metallica bashing.

    I took the time to read the major press releases and watch the wonderful piece of pulitzer prize winning journalism that was the MTv news special.

    Granted that Lars is not one of the great orators of the 21st/22nd century, so it takes a little digging to find out what he was saying.

    Metallica does not object to bootlegging. In fact they greatly support it. So the comment above about Radiohead's view being different from Metallica's is not correct.

    Metallica objects to having their studio recorded digital masters released on the internet without their permission. The straw that broke the camels back was being able to download their MI2 single from Napster before they had even finished recording it. (technically for this to happen someone first had to actually steal a copy of the song from the studio. This is not the "grey" area of mp3's but the black area of actual larceny)

    Metallica went to Napster and asked them to restrict the trading of Metallica's studio mastered songs (*not* the bootlegged live concerts). Since Napster was designed to share live music, they should not have object to this.

    Napster refused, essentially saying "ha ha prove it you morons". (Note: do not dare a rock star to do anything, especially when they survived a decade of chugging Jagermeister)

    This lead to the media circus we all know and love. After the circus, Napster banned 300,000 users.

    This ban is not what Metallica asked for, nor was it what they wanted. Lars has stated this publicly again and again. Metallica basically asked for a filter to be applied to Napster searches.
    If they had done this comparatively simple task, Metallica and the people that Napster alienated would be on the side of Napster instead of against them.

    Given Napsters actions to date, I am not surprised by their story of being shut down:

    everyone (including napster) keeps saying that the judge ordered napster to be shut down. this is not the case. the judge ordered them to make sure no one is trading copyrighted material, and the result is that napster is telling everyone they've been ordered to shut down
  • Re:Turning off napster = more bandwidth for us by Battra (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:46AM
  • What comes next, though? by hawkbsd (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:50AM
  • They grey area by u4eahh (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:02AM
  • Re:Non-RIAA CDs [Slightly OT] by Tekmage (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @08:51AM
  • CD sales by ihs524 (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:52AM
  • Blocks: a cross between Gnutella and Freenet by LazyGun (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @08:03AM
  • Undefended "rights" in perpetuity? by talks_to_birds (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:03AM
  • Intelligent Associations [slightly ot] by dagoalieman (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:54AM
  • Calm down calm down by FascDot Killed My Pr (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @05:14AM
  • Location, Location, Location by TheNightOwl (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:15AM
  • Exactly! by FascDot Killed My Pr (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:04AM
  • Re:Jack Valenti's quote from Salon by jjoyce (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:56AM
  • Re:Oh really? by lubricated (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:15AM
  • Re:Start dumping mp3s into netnews? by bakreule (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:04AM
  • by darthaya (66687) on Friday July 28 2000, @05:14AM (#897293)
    Napster has loomed over my school's network for months. At some bad time, I access my hotmail account on a speed of 1.4k/sec through a multi-T1 outlink. It is really a relieve for all the people who use their bandwidth for legitimate and educational purposes. Besides, let's face it, most of the Napster users are shameless leeches who want to get the music for "free".
  • Re:OLGA: those who do not learn from history... by Mr. Slippery (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @07:17AM
  • Re:Gnutella by polypropylene (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @05:14AM
  • Re:They grey area by u4eahh (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:58AM
  • So Napster is down, I don't care. by Suidae (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:32AM
  • Re:A technical point/question and stealing by Shadow99_1 (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:21AM
  • by linuxonceleron (87032) on Friday July 28 2000, @05:15AM (#897299) Homepage
    I've decided to stop buying CDs from bands on the RIAA (as have many), however I'm still looking for a way to purchase music. One way would be used cd shops since the RIAA already got their share. The other is to buy from artists who are not on major labels. So, I'm looking for good non-major-label artists to spend my money on. Anyone have any to recommend? I'm open to almost any kind of music (or even 'noise') so if anyone has anything they like which isn't RIAA please drop a reply here.

  • Re: Indy Geek Pop, sorta like TMBG meets The Who by GooseKirk (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:05AM
  • Running Man by g8orade (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:33AM
  • Re:Turning off napster = more bandwidth for us by Diomedes01 (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:21AM
  • by quickquack (152245) on Friday July 28 2000, @05:15AM (#897303) Homepage
    The RIAA will NEVER succeed in stopping online music trading. Never. They're getting themselves bad press while doing NOTHING to get rid of the trade.

    Now I don't really think that what Napster doing was completely legit, nor do I believe the "It's for trading uncopyrighted music" because we all know what it's for. Pirating music, plain and simple.

    But as it's been noted countless times before there are at least half a dozen alternatives to Napster, including Gnutella, CuteMX, Freenet, OpenNAP, IRC #mp3z and #mp3s, etc. The RIAA won't touch many of those. They're just getting bad press, that's all.

    Why not make the people happy? They'd be accomplishing the exact same thing!! And they'd also gain the general public's trust and liking, too.

    Just a few thoughts.

    -----
  • Re: Browse users files..... by SETY (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:08AM
  • Re:Gnutella by jackmama (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @05:15AM
  • Ebay! by invenustus (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:33AM
  • Re:gnutella by bobdigi (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:23AM
  • Re:Oh really? by karnal (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:08AM
  • Re:OLGA: those who do not learn from history... by TheReverand (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:24AM
  • Re:Praying for MP3's by superkorn (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:34AM
  • litigation-proof solutions. by Fist Prost (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @05:16AM
  • Re:Paying for MP3's by Shadow99_1 (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:35AM
  • Start dumping mp3s into netnews? by Greyfox (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @05:16AM
  • by JohnLi (85427) on Friday July 28 2000, @07:25AM (#897314) Homepage
    Ok, now this is my first ever post here(after about a year of reading), and i know that this is gonna be marked as flame bait..but here goes anyway. I am a musician, and i personaly would love to have my songs indexed on napster, its free publishing, and would benifit me greatly. However, and i know all of you realize, most ppl that use napster arent interested in finding indy artists, or their favorite local bands newest song done on thier home 4 track. they use it to get the newest pop single. and that, is stealing. you can justify it any way you want, but when it comes down to it you all know that it is. an artist ususualy sees about 12 cents off of every record sold, more after they pay back the lable. and you all have to know someone, if not yourself, who has not bought an album because they download the singls/whole album off of napster, or irc or wherever. i guess my point is, that i see the general attitude in here to be something allong the lines of a witch hunt...and i just wonder how many of you have thought about what you are actualy fighting for?? is it the the right of free speach, or is it the right to not have to take your self down to tower records and buy a cd?
  • by K8Fan (37875) on Friday July 28 2000, @06:35AM (#897315) Journal
    you have to keep in mind that napster users were split across several servers, and the servers didn't communicate between each other (unless they changed it in the past 3-4 months since I've used it).

    Virtually all of the servers were split, except for a test group that my wife discovered last week. They had been planning to link all the servers before all this nonsense happened.

    For those who are curious, the linked servers were:

    • gospel.napster.com
    • noise.napster.com
    • revival.napster.com
    • gothicrock.napster.com
    • latin.napster.com
    • bebop.napster.com
    • blues.napster.com
    • punkrock.napster.com
  • Re:Turning off napster = more bandwidth for us by Eil (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:35AM
  • Re:Paying for MP3's by Zagadka (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:37AM
  • Oh my gosh, this song has been playing on my radio for weeks and I just realized that Nina Gordon is part of artist direct network [artistdirect.com]! It is a really good song. In cast the rest of you have not heard about it I encourage everybody to check out the mjuice downloable music at Nina Gordon's website [ninagordon.com]

    Hasdi
  • Re:Oh really? by rgmoore (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:08AM
  • Re:Stand Your Ground by interiot (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @09:00AM
  • by Chris Johnson (580) on Friday July 28 2000, @08:09AM (#897321) Homepage
    I can answer this for myself, anyway (btw, I just revamped my mp3.com page above a _lot_ to help people figure out what's there :) )

    I create different sorts of music because there are sounds I want to hear that I'm not hearing from anybody else. This can be as direct as having a little analog synthesizer with a resonant filter that I hacked so it can feed back and overload, and wanting to hear an album based on that sound ('Cirrus'), or wanting to hear synthesisers playing in rhythms you normally don't get to hear ('Dragons') or what a dog would sound like as music ('anima').

    I could try to find somebody to sell me music like this, and in fact often I have (for instance, I have a big King Crimson record collection bought largely because of my fascination with the unusual time signatures Krimso often uses). But now I do have the capacity, often, to produce the sort of music I'd want to hear- myself. I've found that when I do that, some people simply don't like the result, but then some other people like it a whole lot- or fixate on some small element of what I do, and like that a whole lot.

    I feel I'm better off sharing my music for free, and allowing people to show enthusiasm in a direct fashion by downloading more, or by picking up a $5.99 CD, because I am entirely unwilling to 'summarise' my musical interests into one clearly labelled category so people can know what they're buying. You _don't_ know what I'm going to release next. I might do a new age piano album (got new tech- Kurzweil Micropiano and Lexicon Reverb) or a deep reverby 'ambient' album or an album of very well-tuned drum 'n bass. If I need to be able to do that, people need to be able to audition what I'm doing for free so they can _be_ warned how different all the CDs are, and go listen to _everything_ in case they might really connect with some of it.

    And of course they can, mp3.com/chrisj [mp3.com] is for just that purpose. I just redesigned it to explain better what each of the albums are like, it's no longer necessary to sit there lo-fiing or downloading track after track just to get a sense of what the music is like- or to try just 4 tracks and mistakenly think the whole catalog is like that ;) And all of it is still free- my expectation is that _some_ people will want CDs too, and those that don't are at least giving it a listen. I swear, there is a 'business model' in that- it just doesn't include _guilt_ of giving out 'shareware' music. Imagine it like this- my mp3.com page is the ultimate radio, one I'm very proud of. By using it I can convey broadcast music anywhere in the world at any time of the day or night- anytime someone listens to one of the mp3s, that magic super radio is going 'bzzzzt' and broadcasting it out to be listened to, at no cost to me- in fact, I get a little bit of money for the initial download! It's not much- the total over all the months I've been doing it is about $300, but that's nearly enough to get a Yamaha DX7, and some music that I do would be much better if I got to program a whole Yamaha DX7- it's a six operator FM synth and the one I've got is only a two output 4 operator FM synth. So it does help me make better music, pretty directly...

  • Re:Smooth out a waterbed? by Chris Mattern (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @09:00AM
  • Re:Whoa, one second =D by eries (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @09:01AM
  • Re:Gnutella by Sloppy (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @05:17AM
  • Just download, and use FairTunes by Once&FutureRocketman (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:09AM
  • I wonder about the impact on sales. by Sawbones (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @05:17AM
  • Re:Turning off napster = more bandwidth for us by Laeraun (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:28AM
  • Re:MP3.com by TMB (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:10AM
  • Too Many Options? (Score:5)

    by jyuter (48936) <jyuter@@@yu...edu> on Friday July 28 2000, @05:17AM (#897329) Homepage Journal
    With all these Napster alternatives, isn't the collection pool being diluted? One of the reasons Napster was so successful was its large community and hence its large selection. The above links as well as Gnutella and the slew of other file sharing programs means that it will be just as hard to find what you are looking for as it was in the good 'ol days of web pages.

    Wouldn't it be better to move to a single (or at least as few as possible) communites - possibly something which would have a harder time being shut down? Of course, there would probably be a whole bunch of flaming with respect to chosing those few communities...



    Being with you, it's just one epiphany after another
  • There is NO anonymity. by jabber (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:10AM
  • Re:MP3.com by sh00z (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @09:02AM
  • Napster=Bad by Com2Kid (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @09:02AM
  • Re:They grey area by talks_to_birds (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:10AM
  • I really hope... by jmccay (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @05:17AM
  • why anonymous by ArchieBunker (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:29AM
  • thanks :-) (nt) by moller (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:11AM
  • Paying for MP3's (Score:3)

    by SparkyB (30171) on Friday July 28 2000, @05:18AM (#897337) Homepage
    To sum things up, the industry thinks this is a big win and that they now have a chance to offer consumers music downloads on their own terms. This displays their current lack of understanding of the real problems that users are seeking to remedy with Napster and the other music/file trading options.

    I have said and always will maintain that my problem with the RIAA is by inability to purchase single songs at a reasonable price. If they want to offer me downloadable music on a song-by-song basis for about $1 a song I'd be happy to pay. Until then piracy is the only option if you cant afford the whole CD for 1 song. You don't need to shut Napster down to convince me to switch and sharing still has its legitmate uses for unsigned bands and concert bootlegs.
  • Re:Turning off napster = more bandwidth for us by um... Lucas (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:29AM
  • Sister Machine Gun by Psychochild (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:11AM
  • Search engines equally illegal by AndyChrist (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:29AM
  • Re:Paradigm Shifts by AntiPasto (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:12AM
  • Two news coverage things that bug me. by TheKodiak (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @05:18AM
  • Misinformation? No. by Stavr0 (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @07:30AM
  • MP3.com (Score:3)

    by Greyfox (87712) on Friday July 28 2000, @05:19AM (#897344) Homepage
    You can usually find some reasonably good bands on MP3.com. If you're in to Gothic, Gossamer's a good band to check out. Just poke around and see what turns up.

    The CDs usually run you about half of what they'd cost from an RIAA affiliated band, too.

  • Re:Gnutella by Fist Prost (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @05:19AM
  • Smooth out a waterbed? by devilsadvoc (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:31AM
  • Re:Non-RIAA CDs [Slightly OT] by tssm0n0 (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @05:19AM
  • Not all record companies are part of the problem by tilly (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @07:31AM
  • Re:some interesting quotes... by kel-tor (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:31AM
  • Re:Paying for MP3's by KahunaBurger (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @09:06AM
  • make money fast? by fritter (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @09:06AM
  • Re:Non-RIAA CDs [Slightly OT] by Croaker (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @09:07AM
  • The artists are still rich. by mach-5 (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @09:10AM
  • Alternative Tentacles by Cplus (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @08:13AM
  • Re:*sigh* by Kesh (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:13AM
  • Re:How do you make a guitar player shut up ? by elflord (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @09:10AM
  • Re:RIAA could work with Thomson Multimedia. by pjrc (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:14AM
  • by linuxonceleron (87032) on Friday July 28 2000, @05:20AM (#897358) Homepage
    The problem is that none of those other methods of filesharing you mentioned have either the users or ease of use which napster did. Out of what I've tried IRC is good if you're on the downloading side, but the beauty of napster was that it made the sharing part easy, running an IRC server isn't something that Joe User is going to be doing. Gnutella shows a lot of promise as well, though the last time I used it my connection speed sucked, but its distributed nature makes it much harder to get shut down.

  • Re:Jack Valenti's quote from Salon by sdelk (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:32AM
  • by wrenling (99679) on Friday July 28 2000, @05:20AM (#897360)
    I dont know if Napster is the battle we want to put all of our energy into fighting. As much as some of us use it, we DO know that it is being used for a lot of piracy that is beyond the terms of fair use.

    BUT Napster also highlights the problems with the concepts of IP, fair use, and copyright, especially the model that is currently being forced down our throats by the RIAA.

    Some of my very best friends are independent producers. Their music is up on MP3.com. MP3.com has ways for the artists to promote themselves, to link to other artists they like, runs contests and promotions to encourage the artists. I have found some great people whose music I would have never heard otherwise... because people whose music I already respected suggested them. This is a model that can, and does work. And a quick comparision of mp3.com to Napster leaves Napster very much lacking in these sorts of features, which ARE the features that link the artists directly to their listeners.

    MP3.com has my full support. Napster... I have a hard time justifying it. Its VERY grey...and I think we all need to pick our battles carefully on this one.

    just my thoughts.... *dons flameproof suit*

  • Re:Flamebait by Segfault 11 (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @09:12AM
  • Re: Indy Geek Pop, sorta like TMBG meets The Who by GooseKirk (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:15AM
  • Re:CD sales by mach-5 (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @09:12AM
  • Re:Oh really? by dirk (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @07:33AM
  • Re:The uninformed. by Snocone (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:15AM
  • some interesting quotes... by double_h (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @05:20AM
  • Alternative hostings for Napster? by doomy (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @07:33AM
  • Re:RIAA could work with Thomson Multimedia. by DeeKayWon (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:16AM
  • Re:litigation-proof solutions. by CIHMaster (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @05:22AM
  • Re:Excellent non-major label artists by xant (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @09:12AM
  • Re:Can we have a Napster topic? by rnd() (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:16AM
  • Re:More musicians and academics by _xeno_ (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:33AM
  • How to purchase music and get around paying big $$ by toast- (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @05:22AM
  • by Kwelstr (114389) on Friday July 28 2000, @05:22AM (#897374)
    Freenet, a new type of internet connection is anonymous for sharing and storing files. http://freenet.sourceforge.net/ From their website: "What is Freenet? Freenet is a peer-to-peer network designed to allow the distribution of information over the Internet in an efficient manner, without fear of censorship. Freenet is completely decentralized, meaning that there is no person, computer, or organisation in control of Freenet or essential to its operation. This means that Freenet cannot be attacked like centralized peer-to-peer systems such as Napster. Freenet also employs intelligent routing and caching meaning that it learns to route requests more efficiently, automatically mirrors popular data, makes network flooding almost impossible, and moves data to where it is in greatest demand. All of this makes it much more efficient and scalable than systems such as Gnutella. "
  • Re:Prelimenary Injunction by Error27 (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:36AM
  • Re:Hell with Napster, use Gnutella or Freenet! by Mendax Veritas (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @08:17AM
  • Re:Paying for MP3's by FascDot Killed My Pr (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @05:22AM
  • Re:Difference that makes no difference... by SlashGeek (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:36AM
  • Re:Paying for MP3's by KahunaBurger (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:36AM
  • Re:MP3.com by Greyfox (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @07:37AM
  • Tidbit from the brief by hearingaid (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @11:25AM
  • Re:Paying for MP3's by Danse (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @11:26AM
  • Re:Too Many Options? by Von Rex (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @09:13AM
  • Re:The uninformed. by core10k (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @11:27AM
  • Re:Non-RIAA CDs [Slightly OT] by ameoba (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @09:15AM
  • Re:Ebay! by jms (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @11:28AM
  • Re:keep downloading non-RIAA (and ASCAP ??) music by Chris Johnson (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @08:17AM
  • Re:Turning off napster = more bandwidth for us by Sly Mongoose (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @11:33AM
  • Re:Subscription based Napster by mach-5 (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @09:21AM
  • Re:Gnutella by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:18AM
  • They're happy to do that. by Convergence (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @11:35AM
  • Napster's "Buy-cott" is hypocritical by Threnody (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @11:41AM
  • Re:Oh really? by elflord (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @09:21AM
  • D(r)ummers by TheTomcat (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @05:22AM
  • pablo honey by joemaller (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @09:21AM
  • Re:Recording industry's slow suicide by kurioszyn (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:20AM
  • Re:Paying for MP3's by Zagadka (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @11:45AM
  • Difference that makes no difference... by rakslice (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @05:23AM
  • Re:Oh really? by Danse (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @07:38AM
  • by TheKodiak (79167) on Friday July 28 2000, @05:23AM (#897400) Homepage
    Actually, this is pretty on topic, as far as used cd shops are concerned. I can't find a good link, but there was a big stink a few years ago about how Garth Brooks was wasting away to nothingness because the used cd trade was preventing him from selling so much as a concert ticket, let alone an album.
  • Re:Non-RIAA CDs [Slightly OT] by Eponymous, Showered (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @09:24AM
  • Re:Hell with Napster, use Gnutella or Freenet! by yorgasor (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:38AM
  • Re:There is NO anonymity. by KurtP (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @09:26AM
  • Paradigm Shifts by AntiPasto (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @05:23AM
  • Re:Turning off napster = more bandwidth for us by dead_penguin (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:38AM
  • Re:Ebay! by Danse (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @08:22AM
  • Why Things Must Change... by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:38AM
  • Re:Turning off napster = more bandwidth for us by Peyna (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @09:28AM
  • Chuck D's ABC interview by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @05:24AM
  • Re:Missing the Point by jafac (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:22AM
  • by moller (82888) on Friday July 28 2000, @05:24AM (#897411) Homepage
    attack the MP3 format itself? I mean honestly now, why don't they just go ahead and sue the person who came up with the MP3 file format, and then sue Winamp, Real, Microsoft, and everyone else who publishes a player that is capable of using mp3's.

    The RIAA has a problem with MP3's. It's not just they don't want people trading copyrighted material, they don't want them doing anything with a format they don't have any control over. I want to see the RIAA sue Microsoft to attempt to force Microsoft to remove support for MP3's from Windows Mediplayer. Obviously all MP3's contain illegally acquired copyrighted material (never mind all the songs I download because it's easire for me to download songs I have the CD for than for me to rip them myself), so of course an MP3 player should be illegal as well! Please. This is ludicrous to say it's the deathknell of whatever it is the RIAA thinks they're fighting.

    Moller
  • Required reading... by talks_to_birds (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:39AM
  • Re:Missing the Point by YoJ (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @08:23AM
  • My two cents - IP stifles innovation by graikor (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:24AM
  • peer to peer by danboy (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @07:40AM
  • by Lowther (136426) on Friday July 28 2000, @05:25AM (#897416)
    Two comments on this one:

    Q. What is the difference between a drummer and a drum machine ?
    A. You only need to punch the information into a drum machine the once ......

    Q. Why does every band have a bassist ?
    A. Cos some f***er has to drive the van ....

  • A message to Big Music by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @05:25AM
  • Re:Oh really? by Danse (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @07:41AM
  • Bye bye miss American pie. by jafac (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @07:42AM
  • Re:Paying for MP3's by Sly Mongoose (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @11:47AM
  • Re:Paying for MP3's by VAXman (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @11:49AM
  • Re:Oh really? by Hacksworth (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @11:50AM
  • Re:Paying for MP3's by Danse (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @11:52AM
  • Re:CD sales by Luminous (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @11:54AM
  • Doh by chrisbro (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:25AM
  • Napster Injuction has been STAYED by tekan (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @12:03PM
  • Re:Prelimenary Injunction by jafac (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:25AM
  • Re:Turning off napster = more bandwidth for us by Megahurts (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @09:38AM
  • Utterly clueless judge. by TheDullBlade (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @08:25AM
  • The uninformed. by Lord Kano (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @05:25AM
  • Re:Turning off napster = more bandwidth for us by Sloppy (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @12:05PM
  • Re:Turning off napster = more bandwidth for us by 6thofmay (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @09:41AM
  • a function of design, perhaps? by wrenling (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:27AM
  • The one I missed... by Black Parrot (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @05:25AM
  • The Core Issue is IP reform by revscat (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @09:43AM
  • Re:*sigh* by jafac (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:28AM
  • by dpilot (134227) on Friday July 28 2000, @05:26AM (#897437) Homepage Journal
    Long ago, Roblimo , put the quote at the bottom on Slashdot. IMHO, the record companies have been ripping us o^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H enjoying high profits and FEAR the end of the gravy train, and having to subsist on the profit margins more common in other industries.

    ************************************************ **
    Re:Another victory for the forces of mediocrity. (Score:3, Insightful)
    by roblimo (roblimo.nojunk@slashdot.org) on Monday March 27, @09:54AM
    EDT (#77) (User Info)

    More aptly, what if 95% of all popular music was controlled by only four or five record companies and those companies formed a trade association whose main purpose was to keep its members' products selling for high prices instead of allowing "the market" to determine what a given song was worth?

    The end result would probably be wholesale music piracy using technology the record companies couldn't control.

    Not that anything like this could ever happen in real life, mind you; this is just Monday morning speculation on Slashdot...

    - Robin

  • Re:Turning off napster = more bandwidth for us by penguinboy80 (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:28AM
  • Who cares about Napster? by Kidney3.14 (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @05:26AM
  • Re:MP3.com by um... Lucas (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @09:45AM
  • The end of Napster is sort of sad, but then again my immediate reaction when I first heard of the company was "Is this a joke? They're going to get sued to death!" The whole idea of starting a company to sponsor MP3 piracy was just inane. (I've heard all the arguments about how Napster has "legitimate uses" -- I'm just no more impressed by them than the judge was. It is simply obvious, even without Fanning's leaked emails, that Napster's real purpose was to facilitate piracy.)

    Now, if you really want to do this sort of thing right, you don't start a company and advertise what you're doing. That's dumb. You also don't have a centralized server whose operators can be sued. Instead, you set up a decentralized system where everyone is a client and a server. Gnutella [wego.com] is one possibility, but it still allows you to identify where the pirated files are located (on various servers, identifiable by their IP addresses, which may be dynamic but do have a specific meaning at any given moment). Freenet [sourceforge.net] is better still; the files are distributed in such a way that you can't tell where they are, and in fact a given file may not be in any one place in its entirety. Now that's tricky to sue.

    So I think it's pretty stupid for people to be talking about setting up new Napster servers. You want to get sued? Fine, go ahead. Your pockets are probably a lot less deep than Napster's, but the RIAA will be happy to take whatever you've got. In the meantime, those of us with clues will be working with Gnutella and Freenet, doing essentially the same thing you are, but not getting sued. Take your pick.

  • More likely... by Benwick (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @09:49AM
  • Re:The tip of the iceberg by quickquack (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @05:27AM
  • Re:Paying for MP3's by SparkyB (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @05:27AM
  • Re:Paying for MP3's by TCaptain (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:30AM
  • Re:The tip of the iceberg by Griff (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @05:27AM
  • Whoa, one second =D by wrenling (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @08:30AM
  • Re:Gnutella by PerlGeek (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @12:11PM
  • Re:Paying for MP3's by Sly Mongoose (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @12:13PM
  • Another gem from Mr. Valenti (small rant too)... by TrentC (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @09:51AM
  • Re:An idea for harder-to-track Gnutella by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @12:19PM
  • Indie Labels by spreer (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @09:51AM
  • Re:MP3.com by Zan Thrax (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @09:53AM
  • Better justification by Robin Hood (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @12:25PM
  • Re:Non-RIAA CDs [Slightly OT] by Danse (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @08:30AM
  • NOT Matador by spreer (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @09:56AM
  • I like paying RIAA N times for the same music by DigitalDreg (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:31AM
  • Re:Alternative Tentacles by Ricdude (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @09:59AM
  • Re:some interesting quotes... by takshaka (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @12:35PM
  • Re:Non-RIAA CDs [Slightly OT] by MedBob (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:31AM
  • by gilroy (155262) on Friday July 28 2000, @05:29AM (#897461) Homepage Journal
    Blockquoth the poster:
    Wouldn't it be better to move to a single (or at least as few as possible) communites - possibly something which would have a harder time being shut down?
    It seems that those two options are mutually exclusive. The real solution is to encourage interoperability and data-sharing between the different alternatives... My in-a-jiffy model is the Internet itself. We didn't shut down all the competing networks; we just made sure they could talk to one another.

    To draw a riff from Pink Floyd, "The only thing we need to do, is keep talking." :)

  • Lame attempt at a comeback :-) by yerricde (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @10:00AM
  • Re:I wonder what Will Smith would say by Sloppy (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @12:39PM
  • Oh really? (Score:5)

    by Spazmoid (75087) on Friday July 28 2000, @05:29AM (#897464)
    From the salon article,

    "...now have a chance to offer consumers music downloads on their own terms. This displays their current lack of understanding of the real problems that users are seeking to remedy with Napster and the other music/file trading options."

    I dont think the music industry has any lack of understanding when it comes to the problems we "pirates" are trying to remedy. They know their distribution mechanism is severly flawed, but it is flawed entirely in their favor. They control (for the most part) the media that influnces what you buy (think radio and MTV). They countrol the distribution method so that they, make the most out of it (and of course the few artists that have mass appeal due to their help). Everyone else get the short end of the shaft.

    Why would they want that to change? Even if things like napster caused people to go out and buy MORE music, it may not be the music they are promoting. Having that kind of power over the masses is something I dont think many individuals would give up, much less a corporation. I am not naive enough to think that this is for monetary reasons only. The music industry has power over poeple, power that is clearly illustrated by the fact that as sharaing technologies became more prevalent, the majority of what you see is MAINSTREAM music, Nsync, Brittany Spears, Eminem, ect. Most of the music is fun yes, but talented and emotional, probably not. However it is what is getting crammed down peoples nural pathways by radio and MTV at the cost of millions of dollars. That in and of itself show the gullibility of the masses, and that is what the RIAA and the MPAA exploit.

    I myself am a musician. Not a very good one, but you know what my opinion of my music is? I do it for ME. It is a release of my creative energy, my emotion. If other people hear it and like it then great, but if not no loss because I did it for ME. Now yes, I put my music up on places like mp3.com and napster for public exposure. Why? Because no matter how bad I suck, I want to hear other peoples opinions and critiques (sp?).

    I have mad all of about $10 from the mp3.com pay for play program, and also put my music out through napster, normally before releasing it on mp3.com. Now what? The RIAA has spent millions, silencing ME an artist, by shutting down one of my distribution channels. Even if I was good, I would never distribute or promote through corporations that behave like that.

    I think the RIAA is fighting this battle more for the POWER than the MONEY. The fact that they are still breaking profit records I think proves that.
    Ok... rant over.. return to your lives people...


    www.mp3.com/Undocumented [mp3.com]
  • Gray Area....sometimes by kk5wa (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @05:29AM
  • Re:Paying for MP3's by VAXman (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @10:05AM
  • Re:Oh really? by roamer (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:32AM
  • Re:There is NO anonymity. by jabber (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @10:07AM
  • Re:Turning off napster = more bandwidth for us by bogado (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @05:30AM
  • Few people know this, but Will Smith turned down an acceptance to MIT to become a rap star. Now we see Chuck D. with an insightful comment about sharing, and we see an incredibly enlightened comment by the lead of the band "Moebius Dick", who in his spare time is a law professor.

    For some reason, we tend not to associate rock/rap/pop music with sophisticated thinking. But to find out how many of these guys actually hold academic posts -- it is far higher than a lot of people think, and that surprises people.

    --
  • Re:An idea for harder-to-track Gnutella by ameoba (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:33AM
  • Re:Paying for MP3's by VAXman (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @10:10AM
  • Re:Exactly! by jafac (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:33AM
  • What pisses me off.... by malfunct (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:35AM
  • Where is this world going ? by Cedric C. Girouard (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @05:32AM
  • Welcome to the technological (r)evolution era. by sniggly (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @12:45PM
  • Re:Can we have a Napster topic? by takshaka (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @12:53PM
  • Re:MODERATORS please browse at -1!!! by Evangelion (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @10:11AM
  • Re:Non-RIAA CDs [Slightly OT] by AiX2 (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @12:56PM
  • Re:Praying for MP3's by VAXman (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @10:13AM
  • Alternative distribution? by CBravo (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @01:18PM
  • Anonymous Filesharing for "always on by infiniti8 (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @10:14AM
  • Re:Paying for MP3's by VAXman (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @10:15AM
  • Do you agree? by rinkjustice (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @01:22PM
  • good riddance by cLive ;-) (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @10:16AM
  • Re:Excellent non-major label artists by Smallest (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @10:24AM
  • Re:Routes Forward by Sin D'Vanian (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:40AM
  • Freenet: Anonymity and overhead... by mangelwurzel (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @01:26PM
  • Stop and think a while. by Forge (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @05:33AM
  • Expect evolution by BlowCat (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @10:28AM
  • Re:Turning off napster = more bandwidth for us by Angst Badger (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @10:28AM
  • Re:Too Many Options? by eMlliK (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @05:34AM
  • Momentum will decide by grappler (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @08:40AM
  • Wow by Amokscience (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @05:34AM
  • Re:Roblimo said it best by Danse (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @08:41AM
  • Courtney love does the math by digitalmind (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:41AM
  • justin mauer is wrong by geckoFeet (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @05:34AM
  • keep downloading non-RIAA (and ASCAP ??) music by TerryG (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @05:47AM
  • by Squeeze Truck (2971) on Friday July 28 2000, @05:35AM (#897499) Homepage
    Following the injunction against Napster, 20,000,000 Napster fans worldwide flooded into the Slashdot website en masse, desperate for up-to-date information on alternative sources for thier free misic fixes.
    "[the injunction against Napster] is like trying to smooth out lumps in a waterbed," said /.'s front man Commandante' Taco, "all you're really doing is swishing the water around."
    Slashdot, a news forum for self-styled "geeks", is a leading advocate of free software (including many free Napster alternatives), Star Wars, and Hot Grits.
    "People are realizing that only through free software can men be truly free, t'was always thus, and always thus will be." Said Slashdot's verbose Mr. Antonius Coward, "People understand that Gnutella (a Napster alternative) can never be blocked, sued or injuncted. It has been a great coup for our wicked underground agenda".
  • Re:The uninformed. by Lord Kano (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @08:41AM
  • by joemaller (37695) on Friday July 28 2000, @05:36AM (#897501) Homepage
    This is just another step in the record companies long slow suicide. If they really had a clue about the future, they would not have shut down the lyrics databases when they should have just bought them out. They wouldn't be trying to stop Napster, they would be pressing ahead with colateral merchandise and expanded experiences. They would be giving music videos away and using the web to create affinity groups of music types, collect ad revenue and build brands. They would recreate themselves as a modern business capable of dealing with changes in the marketplace.

    What do you do when you have a song stuck in your head? Since there are no lyrics databases left to search openly, I go straight to a text search engine like Altavista or Google and find whatever fragment of a phrase I can scrape together. Most popular lyrics seem to be online somewhere, and I usually find the song in a few searches.

    Since the record companies have done absolutely nothing to help find one song on an album, let alone make it possible to buy just that song, hello Napster. Custom CDs are not the answer. When blank CDRs are for sale at KMart, it's a little late to try and convince us that CDs are hard to make. If I want one song, I want it now, and I don't want to be forced into buying 10-15 other songs for $20 and having to wait a week for delivery.

    Music has been digital for years, and that means that there are no originals. Everything is a copy, the only original is the music being recorded. Without copies, there is no music. There is absolutely no difference between the content on a CD I purchased today and 10,000 of the same album purchased anywhere around the world.

    I'm glad Radiohead came forward, again they prove to be among the most forward thinking musicians out there. I'm also glad I own all their albums. And I'm going to go download their live shows right now...
  • Re:Non-RIAA CDs [Slightly OT] by iso (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:41AM
  • Re:D(r)ummers by perp (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @05:47AM
  • Re:Napster's compliance with the injunction by Sin D'Vanian (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:43AM
  • Although many of my favourite bands are RIAA sponsored, I've gone against them.

    One label that I like, fortunately, isn't an RIAA member. DivaNation, the producers of the now defunct My Scarlet Life, has several good bands, and actually appreciates their fans.

    Check their stuff out @ http://www.DivaNation.com

    Offtopic story: My Scarlet Life was a pretty good trip-hop type band. Their stuff is slightly similar to Delerium's Karma album. One day I went looking for their web site, trying to get to another concert. Well, I found out they broke up, and the members had other bands. One of which, Scarlet Life, was rumored to be similar in style to Scarlet Life but definately not the same.

    they had a printable discount ticket to the concert on the web site. I clicked the link, it was broken. Seeing no contact info at the time, I called the company, also trying to get more info on the concert. End result of that: I talked to a band member, got 5 tickets mailed to me, and drove 7 hours to see one of the best concerts I ever have. I got to meet all 4 of the bands there (Gaberdine, Breather, Butterfly Child, Scarlet Life- mostly unheard of, but they have a loyal following), got pictures, and couldn't have enjoyed it more. I STRONGLY suggest them because of this, the great treatment I recieved as a fan. Also, while talking with Breather, I found out that they love MP3s, and use them online freely as much as possible. Now that rocks too.

    PS- Most of these bands are Chicago based, and don't travel much, but they do have CDs that are well worth checking out.
  • Did the injunction use the word traded ? by maroberts (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @05:38AM
  • Re:Too Many Options? by gilroy (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @05:48AM
  • Right you are by from mars (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @05:48AM
  • by yerricde (125198) on Friday July 28 2000, @05:49AM (#897509) Homepage Journal
    Thomson Multimedia controls MP3 patent licensing [mp3licensing.com]. If the RIAA wants to stop MPEG Audio Layer 3, it could just work with Thomson to get the patent royalties upped. This will cause League for Programming Freedom [programming-freedom.org] to throw up a site called Burn All MP3s Day [burnallmp3s.org] and everyone will go download Vorbis software from Xiph.org [xiph.org] and re-rip their CDs.
    <O
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    XGNOME vs. KDE: the game! [8m.com]
  • Re:Non-RIAA CDs [Slightly OT] by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @05:49AM
  • Re:Too Many Options? by polypropylene (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @05:49AM
  • RIAA lost the MP3 suit by IdoR (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @05:50AM
  • Re:Non-RIAA CDs [Slightly OT] by look (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @01:49PM
  • Re:MODERATORS please browse at -1!!! by Neon Elephant (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @01:51PM
  • Re:Blocks: a cross between Gnutella and Freenet by Suidae (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @10:33AM
  • Re:MODERATORS please browse at -1!!! by look (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @02:10PM
  • Re:MODERATORS please browse at -1!!! by look (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @02:12PM
  • Re:Are bassists smarter than drummers.... by unity (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @10:34AM
  • Re:More musicians and academics by look (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @02:13PM
  • Re:Are Bassists smarter than Drummers ? by Elwood P Dowd (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @10:38AM
  • Re:Chuck D's ABC interview by Jamie Zawinski (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @02:43PM
  • Re:Non-RIAA CDs [Slightly OT] by Trepidity (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @10:40AM
  • Re:Non-RIAA CDs [Slightly OT] by Paladin128 (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @05:39AM
  • Re:Stand Your Ground by Sly Mongoose (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @10:41AM
  • Re: AT & T Crowds by Omniscient Ferret (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @03:06PM
  • You have to pay. by yerricde (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @05:39AM
  • Re:The tip of the iceberg by To Mega (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @10:45AM
  • This sounds like a troll, but what the heck.

    I do agree that many Napster usera are leeches, but there are as many people who buy more music because of it. I have a collection of songs by Neil Diamond and Elton John that I have only come to appreciate because I got the songs for free (though not on Napster). Had I not gotten them for free, I likely never would have had any interest since my primary musical interest is 80's punk. I think it makes good marketing sense -- I am now CONSIDERING a purchase that I otherwise would not have made. Call that leeching if you want, but I disagree.

    Personally, I question why the software company I work for has T1 internet access. We host our own servers and provide Internet services, but those run on their own T1. We as employees have a separate T1 for Internet access at our desktops, and I'd be incredibly surprised to discover that even 1% of the traffic is for "legitimate" purposes. I spend an hour on /. every day for cryin' out loud!
  • Re:I know i am going to get flamed, but... by re-geeked (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @10:48AM
  • Re:litigation-proof solutions. by mitheral (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @05:40AM
  • Re:Non-RIAA CDs [Slightly OT] by spankenstein (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @05:50AM
  • Re:Freenet is anonymous by perp (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @05:41AM
  • Are bassists smarter than drummers.... by spankenstein (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @05:51AM
  • Re:Non-RIAA CDs [Slightly OT] by daveman_1 (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @05:41AM
  • A technical point/question and stealing by ariehk (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @05:51AM
  • Routes Forward by trotsky (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @05:41AM
  • Re:Non-RIAA CDs [Slightly OT] by quickquack (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @05:52AM
  • Re:Paying for MP3's by FascDot Killed My Pr (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @05:41AM
  • Jack Valenti's quote from Salon by jjoyce (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @05:52AM
  • that's rather disheartening. by moller (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @05:53AM
  • I like that (Preaching to the choir) by TheoFish (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @05:54AM
  • by Tekmage (17375) on Friday July 28 2000, @05:56AM (#897542) Homepage

    Also check out:

    http://www.farmclub.com/ [farmclub.com]
    http://www.garageband.com/ [garageband.com]
    http://www.live365.com/ [live365.com]
    ...for a large chunk of un-signed and/or small label groups.

    ObRIAA/Napster: As a way to access bootlegged music, it's awesome. I do think it's only fair that the artists (directly) receive some sort of compensation for their studio-recorded material. As much as I dislike advertising, why couldn't compensation be derived from tacking on short audio adver-bytes onto the front of every nth Napster-like download? That way the user doesn't have to micro-pay for downloads, but if they want to guarantee no-advert recordings, they have to buy the CD.

    (ObPlug: Of course you're more than welcome to listen to our [webhop.net] stuff... And cast one vote [101xfm.ca] for Today's High to open for Edwin at Navan Fair [navanfair.com]. Voting ends today. :-)

  • Re:Gnutella by BlackLight (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @03:15PM
  • Re:Welcome to the technological (r)evolution era. by sniggly (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @03:29PM
  • Human nature? by JWhiton (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @03:34PM
  • Re:Where is this world going ? by Swarfega (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @03:49PM
  • Re:Oh really? by Sly Mongoose (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @10:53AM
  • Re:Ebay! by RickHunter (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @10:56AM
  • Congrats! Here's some links and info to help. by x mani x (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @10:56AM
  • Re: Lars' lack o' logic by wytcld (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @04:06PM
  • Re:why doesn't the RIAA by gilroy (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @05:41AM
  • Re:Oh really? by Sly Mongoose (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @10:57AM
  • Re:Turning off napster = more bandwidth for us by Eil (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @04:44PM
  • Re:Too Many Options? by jyuter (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @05:41AM
  • The RIAA would go well to examine the saga of OLGA, the On-line Guitar Archive.

    Years ago, people started posting guitar transcriptions on USENET. Someone started collecting them on an FTP site at, IIRC, the University of Arizona; later, this evoloved into a web site, olga.net.

    The Powers That Be didn't like this very much - in their minds it meant that they were losing money since people weren't buying books of transcriptions anymore. (Never mind that there's a huge difference between not making money and losing money, that these books were overpriced and sucked, that people have been showing each other how to play songs since the beginning of time, and that composers were getting performance royalties when someone like me played stuff they'd learned off the net down at the local bar.) So they brought down their legal might and crushed OLGA.

    Which led to dozens of new guitar tab sites springing up all over the web.

    You can't stop people from sharing information. Gnapster has built-in support for OpenNAP. Need I say more?

  • Re:MODERATORS please browse at -1!!! by mce (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @04:44PM
  • Re:Artists can use MP3 to get successfful: Elwood by Eponymous, Showered (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @10:58AM
  • Re:MODERATORS please browse at -1!!! by levendis (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @10:59AM
  • Re:D(r)ummers by balneary (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @05:44AM
  • gnutella by bobdigi (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @05:44AM
  • quite a few artists.... by SparkyB (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @11:01AM
  • Re:Recording industry's slow suicide by Vladinotor (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @11:01AM
  • Excellent non-major label artists by VAXman (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @05:44AM
  • Can we have a Napster topic? by LizardKing (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @05:56AM
  • Napster's compliance with the injunction by IdoR (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @05:45AM
  • What about the artists? by CrazyJoel (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @05:57AM
  • Online file sharing CANNOT die by Ravenscall (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @05:46AM
  • Continuing the OT thread with my suggestion: by Byteme (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @05:46AM
  • radiohead quote by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @05:46AM
  • Re:Gnutella by fsck (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @05:59AM
  • by mav[LAG] (31387) on Friday July 28 2000, @05:59AM (#897571)
    From Metallica's (non-technical) attorney:

    But really, I tried using Gnutella and I couldn't make it work, so I'm not as worried about it as I was about Napster. I spoke to about 20 people who agreed. Of course, anybody who wants to steal music will do it; the diligent pirate will always succeed, but that doesn't mean we should allow it to become mainstream.

    If the history of bleeding edge apps which serve a purpose has taught me anything, it's that rapid improvment comes quickest to those packages which are potentially the most useful. Mr Howard A. King doesn't know it yet, but he should be far more worried about Gnutella than he is now. Napster was easy to sue - public, high-profile, has management in suits etc. Gnutella (and other desperately subversive tools like IRC and ftp) will just take up the slack - untraceable and impervious to lawsuits.

  • Re:why doesn't the RIAA by Phalse Impressions (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:00AM
  • Re:Oh really? by TerryG (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:00AM
  • Re:Non-RIAA CDs [Slightly OT] by ptbrown (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:10PM
  • Re:Better justification by MicroBerto (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:34PM
  • Re:Non-RIAA CDs [Slightly OT] by Inferno73 (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:42PM
  • Re:MP3.com by um... Lucas (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:53PM
  • mp3.com isnt out of the woods by wrenling (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @11:03AM
  • Re:OLGA: those who do not learn from history... by fishbowl (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @11:04AM
  • Re:How much work have you done for free? by TrentC (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @11:05AM
  • Re:Oh really? by Joe Solbrig (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @08:28PM
  • Re:pablo honey by Sly Mongoose (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @11:07AM
  • Re:Turning off napster = more bandwidth for us by linzeal (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @11:12AM
  • Re:Stand Your Ground by interiot (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @10:28PM
  • Re:A message to Big Music by festers (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @11:14AM
  • Re:Praying for MP3's by dprimary (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @11:07PM
  • The Sound of Silence by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @11:14AM
  • Re:Paying for MP3's by FascDot Killed My Pr (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:37AM
  • Re:Flamebait by donutello (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @11:15AM
  • Re:Too Many Options? by JupiterP5 (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:38AM
  • Re:The artists are still rich. by mOnAural_Vector_Base (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @11:18AM
  • More musicians and academics by bee (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:40AM
  • Re:why doesn't the RIAA by el_nino (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:40AM
  • Re:Turning off napster = more bandwidth for us by komisch (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:41AM
  • Re:OLGA: those who do not learn from history... by TheReverand (Score:2) Friday July 28 2000, @06:41AM
  • Re:D(r)ummers by schtoo (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:02AM
  • Re:How much work have you done for free? by jjoyce (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:41AM
  • Re:why doesn't the RIAA by jjoyce (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:03AM
  • Subscription based Napster by Teknix (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:44AM
  • Re:why doesn't the RIAA by demaria (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:04AM
  • Re:why doesn't the RIAA by Shadow99_1 (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:44AM
  • Re:An idea for harder-to-track Gnutella by ToLu the Happy Furby (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:44AM
  • Re:Praying for MP3's by cosmic_0x526179 (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:05AM
  • Re:Too Many Options? by Eccles (Score:1) Friday July 28 2000, @06:07AM
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