China Bans Foreign AI Chips From State-Funded Data Centres (reuters.com) 30
The Chinese government has issued guidance requiring new data centre projects that have received any state funds to only use domestically-made AI chips, Reuters reported Wednesday, citing sources familiar with the matter. From the report: In recent weeks, Chinese regulatory authorities have ordered such data centres that are less than 30% complete to remove all installed foreign chips, or cancel plans to purchase them, while projects in a more advanced stage will be decided on a case-by-case basis, the sources said.
The move could represent one of China's most aggressive steps yet to eliminate foreign technology from its critical infrastructure amid a pause in trade hostilities between Washington and Beijing, and achieve its quest for AI chip self-sufficiency. China's access to advanced AI chips, including those made by Nvidia, has been a key point of friction with the U.S., as the two wrestle for dominance in high-end computing power and AI. U.S. President Donald Trump said in an interview aired on Sunday following talks with Chinese President Xi Jinping last week that Washington will "let them deal with Nvidia but not in terms of the most advanced" chips.
The move could represent one of China's most aggressive steps yet to eliminate foreign technology from its critical infrastructure amid a pause in trade hostilities between Washington and Beijing, and achieve its quest for AI chip self-sufficiency. China's access to advanced AI chips, including those made by Nvidia, has been a key point of friction with the U.S., as the two wrestle for dominance in high-end computing power and AI. U.S. President Donald Trump said in an interview aired on Sunday following talks with Chinese President Xi Jinping last week that Washington will "let them deal with Nvidia but not in terms of the most advanced" chips.
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It seems like a good idea that China would use their own chips for state-funded data centers. Any country that can do it, should do it. (notice how it said "foreign", and not "US")
It's telling that China has to publicly enact a rule to prohibit Nvidia chips that are already prohibited by the US. The US says the sales are illegal. Nvidia says they aren't selling any to China. China already told its companies to buy domestic chips. Yet, there's still a need for a "ban."
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Not all Nvidia exports to China are banned by America.
Even older Nvidia chips are superior to what China can produce domestically.
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are we tired of winning (Score:1)
Also, his idiotic plans to increase US manufacturing with broad tariffs don't work because (a) the components (e.g., motors) still need to be imported and they have tariffs, which still increases the price of goods made in the US and sold abroad, which means the US is LESS competitive with tariffs than without, (b) the uncertainty around tariffs means that any long term plans now need to exclude the US on both the production and sales side as much as possible, (c) other countries have retaliated and -- more
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Biden (the senile old coot) is the one who started the advanced chip sales ban.
But don't let reality get in the way of your TDS.
Why would the stable genius keep a policy made by a senile old man? He has had plenty of time to change it.
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Because he's also a senile old man?
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Biden (the senile old coot) is the one who started
The current eruption of export bans on "AI" hardware started in Trump's first term, in 2019, with Huawei and Huawei affiliate companies. But yes, your TDS point is valid: Biden et al. built upon Trump's piecemeal export bans with comprehensive, all-of-China, bans, in 2022. This has nothing to do with Biden vs Trump, etc. It's a continuation of ITAR thinking going back 50 years.
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The AI chips limitations for China went live in October 7, 2022. It shouldn't be lost on you who was the actual president at that time. HINT it was not Trump. Please keep willful ignorance on BlueSky or wherever it is your echo chamber fellates themselves.
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yeah those libs and their echo chamber not like us!
now let me go back to X, Truth Social, Parler, Gab, 4chan and watch Newsmax, OANN, Fox and listen to Rogan and All In. no echo chambers here!
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... and jump started the Chinese advanced semiconductor industry.
Sanctions are funny things, aren't they? They almost always boomerang back at you worse than they affect your target. Not the type of weapon you should be applying willy-nilly.
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That's my stalker, he spouts anti-Russian propaganda after most of my posts for some reason, sometimes talking points that were shown to be invalid literally years ago. This post was unusual, normally it's not even vaguely related to what I wrote.
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Meanwhile (Score:3)
https://www.tweaktown.com/news... [tweaktown.com]
https://www.techinasia.com/new... [techinasia.com]
Gonna suck to be a Chinese state-run datacentre. Make it work, or else!!!
Attempting to prevent China from acquiring tech... (Score:3)
Is futile and counterproductive
Chinese engineers and scientists are smart and numerous and skilled at working around restrictions
Look at the author list of any scientific paper, you will see Chinese names
I suspect that they will lead the world in tech in the future
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The risk is that it pushes China to overtake the US even faster.
Look at what DeepSeek did. Massively reduced the cost and energy needed to train an AI, leapt ahead of all the US competitors who were throwing huge money at Nvidia. All the export restrictions are doing is spurring that kind of innovation.
This will probably just bring China's future cutting edge chip manufacturing technology forward a few years, as efforts are redoubled to replace US and European parts.
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Look at what DeepSeek did. Massively reduced the cost and energy needed to train an AI, leapt ahead of all the US competitors who were throwing huge money at Nvidia.
Did it? I've read quite a bit to the contrary. Instead, I think DeepSeek was a distillation of other available models. That is, yes, it costs significantly less to fine-tune/focus another model than it does to build/train a model from scratch, but at some point someone still needs to build/train the initial model.
https://www.bentoml.com/blog/t... [bentoml.com]
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Implementing these internal restrictions while leaving some to be reviewed on a "case-by-case basis" would also be a good way to concentrate the NVidia chips from many datacenters in to just a few State-selected data centers.
Smart -if you can do it. (Score:2)
If you can't make it work, just lie about it.
In the mean time (Score:2)