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Is India Done With Crypto? (techcrunch.com) 35

An anonymous reader shares a column: Apple delisting a dozen global crypto apps -- relied by big traders in India, in part due to its tax evasive properties -- from its Indian App Store seems the final nail in the coffin, capping a brutal two years. The pending removal across Google Play, internet providers and beyond caps a journey mired with shutdowns, pivots and relocations abroad for Indian crypto startups. The web3 dreams of local entrepreneurs now appear dashed against the rocky shores of regulatory resistance.
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Is India Done With Crypto?

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  • by MancunianMaskMan ( 701642 ) on Thursday January 11, 2024 @04:49AM (#64149075)
    does _anyone_ still "believe" in crypto, other than "sunk cost" suckers?
    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by cloud.pt ( 3412475 )

      Yes. And my particular "sunk cost" is worth multiple times itself and I didn't even invest early or directly, I mined. Sooooo....

      The thing is, I'm not even bragging because I own and valued a few bucks worth in crypto: I'm saying that because I still find work requests in the field and it is still paying quite a bit (especially DeFi, but not just). So it's not just not "sunk cost" (because as a store of value it's doing just fine), but also people willing to invest their time and professional commitment to

      • by gl4ss ( 559668 ) on Thursday January 11, 2024 @05:56AM (#64149193) Homepage Journal

        The store as value and defi work are sort of the sunk cost.

        I got some crypto and have been paid money to do crypto stuff too but none of it makes actual sense beyond other people putting money to it for speculation on others sunk cost willingness. Even the use of moving money through it doesn't make actual sense beyond international transfers just being a bit shit.

    • Bitcoin is currently traded at around $47K a piece.

      I don't know if I have to believe in this or not, but if you could sold me a couple for a few bucks, I'd grab them immediately.

      • I just wonder why BTC is going slowly up. Who is putting money in the system. I remember on previous /. posts that people were bragging that BTC can be a complete replacement for SWIFT. Would this be how North Korea gets paid for the munitions they are sending to Russia?

    • by leonbev ( 111395 )

      I'd imagine that the people who got in around the lows of 2022 probably do, along with people who have been holding Bitcoin for over a decade and have watched it come up from under $1,000. The people who bought in during the highs of 2021 and are still underwater? Probably not so much.

  • by NotAMarshallow ( 9040905 ) on Thursday January 11, 2024 @05:09AM (#64149109)
    India is correct. Why do people use crypto? You simply don't buy a burger. The fees would eat you. The only people who use crypto either trying to avoid taxes, trying to perform an illegal activity, or performing an unnatural act, aka perversions. There is nothing of worth to the public with crypto currencies other than pure speculation. Block-chain transactions between governments and large institutions are a different matter.
    • performing an unnatural act, aka perversions

      What kind of unnatural acts can you perform with bitcoins?

      Asking for a friend...

    • Fees are just fine for most coins except Bitcoin which is currently not meant to buy burgers.

      Transaction fees per chain:
      Ethereum: $1.4
      Tether: from 0 to $1
      BNB: under 0.45%, normally under 0.07%
      Solana: $0.00025
      XRP: $0.0002

      And even for Bitcoin the fee now stands at $10 regardless of the transaction volume. You may send 1000 bitcoins ($47 million) and still pay exactly $10. Regular transfers between banks are a lot more expensive for such huge sums of money.

      Speaking of crypto coins "largely" used for

    • The only people who use crypto either trying to avoid taxes, trying to perform an illegal activity, or performing an unnatural act

      Or preferably, all three at once. Why, there are some things you can do with a blockchain and a US 1040 (long form) that'll change your sex life forever! Bend over and prepare to be itemized, baby!

    • by evanh ( 627108 )

      Crypto does have one valid, but rather limited, use - bypassing arbitrary US sanctions. Something that Cuba might find handy.

  • by gl4ss ( 559668 ) on Thursday January 11, 2024 @05:29AM (#64149149) Homepage Journal

    They don't have working business models, categorically, except if you count pretending that regulation doesn't apply to you for reasons you can't explain as a business model.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      1) Don't pay taxes
      2) ???*
      3) Profit !

      *Oops, get arrested for not paying taxes. Cost of doing business.

  • Is crypto done with India?

  • by xack ( 5304745 ) on Thursday January 11, 2024 @06:09AM (#64149217)
    If you look at crypto social media they are always after the "next doge", aka they want to get into the pump and dump pyramid system before it rugpulls. Unfortunately making money the "right way" (through traditional jobs) has been destroyed by ai and intentional inflation so people rather gamble and it's destroying society.
    • It makes me wonder about having someone design a Bitcoin 2.0 currency. No premining, no advantages to anyone, just something that fixes all the issues with BTC, and isn't made to be something to pump, dump, pull the rug, and call it a day. Ideally something with privacy, anonymity, and a way to self-prune transactions from the main ledger, so people can be assured they are not going to be double-spent, but Bob's purchase of condoms doesn't stay on the public blockchain as a mandatory download for everyone

  • What a strange question.
  • ...that crypto actually is better than the money available in some countries. How's your stash of Venezuelan Bolívars doing?

    While the scammers and criminals have pretty much ruined crypto's reputation, the potential is still there: Providing an exchange medium independent of governments. Governments, of course, are unthrilled with this idea - they would rather introduce digital currencies of their own, giving them complete visibility into (and control of) their citizens' financial lives. In order to s

    • In areas like Venezuela, something like Monero is an ideal store of value, as well as a currency for trading. It is anonymous, ensuring a hostile, despotic government can't link purchases, it has a good security record, and can be used with hardware wallets for maximum security. I'm not sure if Bitcoin would do the trick due to the insane transaction fees.

      • I don't like advocating crypto, but this is one of the few cases where it may be useful for a non-scam application.

    • Tuff luck. MONEY is defined as: that gub'mnt issued token by which taxes may be paid.  The Sumerians made that definition and it has never changed.   Bytecoynz have neither of those properties.  Value is of-course an entirely different thing than money. Tuff luck. 
  • If only we could be so lucky, they're done, and so is everyone else.

    Money isn't real, but money you can't buy anything with where normal people shoo is extra dumb. You get more value trying to find new prime numbers with distributed.net.

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