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Sweden Starts Testing World's First Central Bank Digital Currency (reuters.com) 46

Sweden's Riksbank said on Wednesday it had begun testing an e-krona, taking the country a step closer to the creation of the world's first central bank digital currency (CBDC). From a report: If the e-krona eventually comes into circulation it will be used to simulate everyday banking activities, such as payments, deposits and withdrawals from a digital wallet such as a mobile phone app, the Riksbank said. "The aim of the project is to show how an e-krona could be used by the general public," the Riksbank said in a statement. In January, the central banks of Britain, the euro zone, Japan, Sweden and Switzerland joined forces to assess the case for issuing CBDCs. CBDCs are traditional money, but in digital form, issued and governed by a country's central bank. By contrast, cryptocurrencies such as bitcoin are produced by solving complex maths puzzles, and governed by disparate online communities instead of a centralized body. The sharp decline in the use of cash and competition from alternative currencies, such as Facebook's Libra, has also prompted central banks around the world to consider issuing their own electronic currencies.
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  • by jellomizer ( 103300 ) on Thursday February 20, 2020 @01:41PM (#59747254)

    The value of the currency should be based on the economy where the currency is traded in. Not inflated because the currency itself has automatic scarcity built in.
       

    • Yeah, more like Riskbank, amiright...

    • Not inflated because the currency itself has automatic scarcity built in.

      Ummm...

      "Inflation" is pretty much the opposite of "scarcity built in". Inflation is what happens when the supply of money grows faster than the supply of things to spend money on....

      • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

        He said "inflated", not "inflation."

        "Inflation" is what happens when the value of goods becomes inflated, relative to the value of the currency. Or, equivalently, the value of the currency becomes deflated relative to the value of goods.

        The value of Bitcoin is inflated (artificially increased) because it is scarce.

      • In case you are wondering why you're so poor, compared to the wealthy few.

    • by Kjella ( 173770 )

      The value of the currency should be based on the economy where the currency is traded in. Not inflated because the currency itself has automatic scarcity built in.

      Well pretty much all current implementations have one central entity who can literally print money, if you want a peer-to-peer currency that's clearly not an option. So it's either accepting that your money is centrally controlled, deal with Bitcoin's deflationary economy or come up with a third alternative. If you got suggestions I think a lot of people are willing to listen...

    • 1-Fiat currency (where the government can print money at will) already exists. 2-The biggest issue with crypto-currencies is lack of government control. What happens when people in America start getting paid in E-Krona? Buying stuff with it? Paying their bills in it? How does the state and federal government tax that?
  • by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Thursday February 20, 2020 @01:44PM (#59747264)
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    • by tsqr ( 808554 )

      If Switzerland or Luxembourg did their own version of e-gold, they'd make a fortune in seniorage.

      -jcr

      Yeah, but who wants to wait until their over 65 years old to make their fortune?

    • I thought gold was a good thing too, until I saw how much its course swings too.

      Frankly, I think work is the best thing of stable value.
      1 hour of a specific work with a specific process and specific tools will always stay 1 hour of that.
      If you define that properly enough, and have fixed relationships of how much hours of work $x equals 1 hour of work $y, you get a stable currency.

      Also, it can't be gambled with, because no "valuation" or stock trading will ever magically make 1 hour of that precise work beco

  • by Rick Schumann ( 4662797 ) on Thursday February 20, 2020 @01:46PM (#59747274) Journal
    Corporations, banks, and governments just want to close the loopholes on their surveillance of citizens by making it mandatory that every penny you earn or spend is tracked end-to-end. Prove me wrong.
    Still think it's a good idea? Still think cash should go away? Enjoy having everyone literally up your ass 24/7 your entire life.
    You may as well be walking around in public stark naked.
    Hell, you go to an airport they SEE you naked (millimeter wave scanner)!
    Come on, people, fight this shit!
    • People are fighting for privacy in a digital currency world. Check out Rohan Greyâ(TM)s research in the CBDC space.

      • You CAN'T. If the data exists someone will take it and there'll be NOTHING you can do about it. Cash is cash. Can't track it unless you do so physically. Fuck 'digital currency', fuck surveillanc, and fuck nosy fucks sticking their noses into everyones' lives. Enough!
        • 100% accurate. As soon as you put something on a network it is NOT going to be private. Privacy is 100% antithetical to networks.

    • I'd have to prove you are right in the first place, before we could even have anything to prove wrong.

      Oh, and also at best, you can *show* it is right/wrong. This is not mathematics, but reality. You don't have all the information and can't blindly rely in unprovable axioms.

      Apart from all that ... Yes, I also think they are doing this for rhe usual totalitarian purposes. But I base that view on past experience. Especially recent experience.

  • While I still have a pile of unspent paper Swedish crowns, in the past 5-10 years, I have not used paper money in Sweden, Norway... pretty much anywhere except the US.

    On the other hand, I have transferred money by card, app, and online banking. The Swedish crown has been electronic for everyone except ancient people, small children, criminals and immigrants hiding income from the tax authorities for many years.
    • While I still have a pile of unspent paper Swedish crowns, in the past 5-10 years, I have not used paper money in Sweden, Norway... pretty much anywhere except the US.

      By the same token, I haven't used paper money or coin in the USA for the last decade. I can't even remember when the last time I had paper money in my wallet (no, not e-wallet)....

      Though my wife does so now and then, to the tune of about $100 to $200 per year

    • You poor souls.
      Have fun being under total surveillance.

      Around here, we have saying:
      Nur Bares is wahres.
      (Only cash is real [money].)

      We don't even accept anything else, where I work, and we never will.

      And don't you fuckin' dare dragging us with you, into your privacy-free hellhole.

  • It will be way easier for them to steal your money when they don't have to kick in your door to take it.
  • ... with it mostly merely being a number in a database, "normal" currency was already more digital than anything.
    Its relation to real valuabes was loong gone anyway.

    And it's not like you can't issue credit note that say "The bearer of this coupon is issued $n e-krona by e-krona-kupong.se in exchange for the coupon".

    All I get from this, is "more fast and loose, less safe and reliable". Not that banks were much safe and reliable in the first place.

  • A stable, central government in a stable, western country is literally the ONLY type of entity that I would trust to stand up a digital currency. Not some guy going by a made up Japanese name. Not some social networking company. Not North Korea. Not Venezuela. And not some random brogrammer off the bounce from reading an Ayn Rand novel.

    You want to store your money in something that's got the stability of a German Mark in 1923 or a Venezuelan Bolivar in 2019? Be my guest. I'll store my wealth in somethi
  • A short technical description is here (english):
    https://www.riksbank.se/en-gb/... [riksbank.se]

    It is based on corda (which is open source, yay! The pilot is built by accenture, nay...):
    https://www.corda.net/blog/wha... [corda.net]

    It seems like a sane solution with a trusted parties instead of stupid mining. Offline transactions are mentioned as a possibility to evaluate.

  • How is this any different from central bank ledgers that create money out of thin air, then send them over SWIFT networks or whatever to transfer value to another bank or individual account?

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