Chemical Leak on ISS 134
Random Utinni writes "It looks like the Russian Elektron system on the ISS may be causing problems again. Today the crew discovered potassium hydroxide leaking into the space station. This comes right after delivery of new ISS components and right before the arrival of a new crew and first female space tourist."
kudos to the austronauts and cosmonauts (Score:2, Insightful)
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Buddha would have made a great astronaut.
Re:kudos to the austronauts and cosmonauts (Score:4, Funny)
Nah, too fat.
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Athletic and fit throughout his life, competent in martial arts such as chariot combat, wrestling, and archery, and later easily hiking miles each day and camping in the wilderness. Images of a fat "Jolly Buddha" or Laughing Buddha are actually depictions of either Maitreya the future Buddha (Chinese Mile Fo), or a 10th century Chinese monk, Budai Heshang (Japanese Hotei)
That's actually very interesting. Thank you.
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All failures included this system of air purification made the space station possible. I think the Russian Scientists who came up with it deserve a fantasic thank you and ... well of course they need to work out a glitch or two.
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CRIKEY!
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For the same reason we only hear of a few names during the conquest... er settling of the American West. You hear of the first few trailblazers and a few other notorious ones but that didn't make the efforts of the nameless ones that followed any less heroic.
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Re:kudos to the austronauts and cosmonauts (Score:4, Insightful)
Quiet? OK, I guess. Heroism? Certainly courage, anyway. Selfless? Why toss that word out there? It doesn't mean anything in this context. They have a completely selfish reason to work through this problem gracefully: survival, and some lessening of their discomfort while this thing gets mopped up. What choice do they have? They (themselves) chose to get involved with the program each for their own reasons. This is the sort of risk they knew they'd face, and they're carrying on with some quality stoicism, here, not martyrdom or an abandonment of themselves in face of some difficulty. There are thousands of people who would jump at the chance to do exactly what those folks are doing - and "selflessness" has got nothing to do with it.
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Mike Foale [wikipedia.org] once was asked about his moments after Mir collided with Progress. something to the effect "werent you scared that perhaps the hull got damaged and may be you're running out of air?" what he answered was (i'm heavily paraphrasing) "well, if leak would have been too bad, i would have felt air rushing from my lungs and that was not the case, i knew there was a leak but we had time
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Self-preservation? Keeping a cool head so you don't get yourself killed?
Heroic is the endeavor of sitting on top of a big-ass bomb and getting blasted up into space in order to help the rest of humanity learn something new. Heroic - risking your ass to help others.
When I was 9, my brother and I were in an accident while hiking in the woods. He broke his left leg and right ankle, I broke my collar-bone and right arm, and was impaled through my right oblique. I walked 4 miles t
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Fron TFA:
"NASA declared a spacecraft emergency for only the second time in the eight-year history of the station. The first time was for a false alarm of an ammonia spill."
That is a fantastic track record for an environment in a constant state of upgrade, falling perpetually at 17000 miles per hour. Nevermind the flammable nature of the atmosphere that surrounds overworked electronics and the parade of "space tourists." Ever have a visiting family member flush a broken toilet?
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How is this a factor? It is in orbit, and relatively stable. It is not as if it is blasting rockets to keep that speed, or rushing through atmosphere at that speed.
Just standing still anywhere on the equator, a human is moving at 1040 miles per hour..... is our survival somehow an achievement as a result?
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Anything in orbit is in a constant state of free-fall. Learn about it [k12.il.us]...
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I know. That is my point. Being in free-fall, there are virtually no forces acting on it. So, the implication in the GP post that surviving 'falling at high speed' should somehow be an achievement is mistaken.
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Consider these. Supply missions and such have to achieve this velocity, too. There is a lot of manmade debris, not to mention natural hazards. Orbiting the Earth is not a simple groove in which the ISS slides by day in and day out. Orbit is a carefully calculated and obsessively maintained state of teetering on escape from gravity and orbital collapse into the atmosphere; thus, the orbit is a stressful, chaotic, dangerous and
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I already am - far faster in fact. So are you. That is the Earth's orbital velocity around the Sun.
Consider these. Supply missions and such have to achieve this velocity, too.
Yes, but that is their problem, not the space station's. Now it has this velocity, it is relatively stable.
There is a lot of manmade debris, not to mention natural hazards.
Yes, but not much physical stress.
Orbiting the Earth is not a simple groove in which the ISS slides by day in and day out.
Actually, that is precisely what it is! It requires very little energy to maintain.
Orbit is a carefully calculated and obsessively maintained state of teetering on escape from gravity and orbital collapse into the atmosphere; thus, the orbit is a stressful, chaotic, dangerous and relatively unpredictable state for a floating flophouse.
No, it isn't. It is very predictable indeed; so predictable it can be used for some of the finest measurements. Orbits are not a fine balance. Once in orbit, it is very hard to remove something from it. Put lots of energy in an you simply change the dimensions of the orbit - it certainly is nothing like 'teetering on escape from gravity' - that would require phenomenal energy input, as would a quick collapse of orbit. The only problem is a slow decay of orbit due to friction from the remnants of atmosphere at the altitude of the ISS.
Care to belittle the program a little more, doctor? Go ahead and make another comparison between standing on the earth and venturing into space.
I am not belittling the space program - I am a very enthusiastic supporter, and seem to be one of the few left who still think the ISS is a good idea.
What I object to is bad reporting of science.
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Of course, what I meant is 'that is LESS than the Earth's orbital velocity'.
obligatory: Galaxy Song (Score:2)
And things seem hard or tough,
And people are stupid, obnoxious or daft,
And you feel that you've had quite eno-o-o-o-o-ough...
Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving
And revolving at nine hundred miles an hour,
That's orbiting at nineteen miles a second, so it's reckoned,
A sun that is the source of all our power.
The sun and you and me and all the stars that we can see
Are moving at a million miles a day
In an outer spiral arm, at forty thousand miles
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That anecdote is physically impossible.
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orbit is a pretty predictable state without too much sudden change. There is quite a big difference between the velocity needed to enter orbit and that actually needed to escape earth (iirc the former is arround 5 miles per second and the latter arround 7 mi
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Hey, if you are standing on the equator and it makes you feel good to boast about your accomplishment of surviving being hurtled around the earth at 1040 mph, then I say, "feel free".
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first female space tourist (Score:5, Interesting)
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Indeed. It seems that people want to use the term "space tourist" for anybody that pays their own way, rather than having the government pay for them (or in the case of Helen Sharman, having a consortium of British companies pay for her). I don't think anybody would've called the partipants in the ill-fated Teacher in Space Project [wikipedia.org] tourists, even
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X-15. (Score:2)
SS1's hybrid rocket is a pretty major development on it's own.
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Why's that? If one purchases a trip on a vesselat the current market price, regardless of whether or not that vessel is government-operated, isn't that paying one's own way?
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In this case though, Russia is acting more like a business -- there's no legislation obligating them to sell trips, but they're doing it because it's making them a profit.
Similarly, you can't claim that Ansari is paying the "market price" for a t
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Sure, but regarding the question of whether or not Ansari paid for herself, it just means that she was price-gouged.
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Before becoming an astronaut she worked as a chemist for Mars Incorporated. She was selected as astronaut by lottery on November 25, 1989 after responding to a radio advertisement asking for applicants to be the first British astronaut. The mission was known as Project Juno and was funded by the Soviet Union and a group of British companies. Helen Sharman was selected from a field of over 13,000 applicants.
Before flying
lady on board! (Score:1, Troll)
Hrmm, Mir? (Score:4, Interesting)
I t0o second that the ISS has a remarkable track record considering just what it is. A man made object that has to house several people 24/7/365 in space.
It does seem like the Elektron system has had some problems though. I wonder if after all this any member nations will chip in for a new model.
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I did not say that and I think saying something like that is jumping to a very large conclusion on no information. Sometimes the only tested tool for a job still has problems and any long term oxygen generation gear used by NASA would unfortunately be antiquated in comparison to Mir.
Value of ISS (Score:3, Interesting)
Boy, do I hate these arguments (Score:2)
For the last 2 decades, we have been only in LEO, which kind of sucks. But it we do not have a flawless
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It seems that ever time ISS issues come up, then everybody starts knocking it, all the while not thinking.
This statement is both incorrect and rude.
For the last 2 decades, we have been only in LEO, which kind of sucks. But it we do not have a flawless system in orbit (where we can come back easily), then how are we going to survive on the moon or mars? In particular, America is now testing the OGS (Oxygen Generator system). This will enhance the russian elektron. America is now developing a system th
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IIRC, most of the problems on the ISS have been a result of American craftsmanship.
The Russia built stuff is more primitive, but also a lot sturdier.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5953450/ [msn.com]
Sept 10, 2004
"The three Elektron units on board the space station are the last of their kind. The company that
Re:Hrmm, Mir? (Score:5, Funny)
You mean it was made in a rented factory in China?
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It's really a matter of engineering philosophy. While the NASA approach emphasizes going to heroic lengths to prevent things from failing, the Russian approach is to design so that failures have minimal consequences.
Apparently this engineering philosophy is/was applied everywhere in the Soviet Union. A coworker desscribed televisions in the Soviet Union. Apparently electronic componants tended to have very wide tolerences, so the circuits were intricatly designed so they could work even when things were 2
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You don't recall correctly - as Elektron has had ongoing problems for several years now.
And the currently installed unit is the third such unit to be installed on the ISS. Each of the units only lasted as long as they did through heroic repair efforts - not by any intrinsic
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I'm glad you brought up Mir because in a previous thread about ISS some people (including me) suggested it might have been useful to have kept Mir in space, indeed, moved its orbit to allow it to link up with the ISS as a "safe haven". The idea was shot down in flames - cost of orbit change and the fact that it was so old and knackered.
Now we have a chemical leak on the ISS, though thankfully not too critical. What if it was a BIGGER
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Don't you mean 24/7/52?
As in 24 hours per day, 7 days a week.... And additionally the 52 weeks a year.
(What next... 5000 years every re-creation of the universe by our Lord and Saviour Chuck Norris)
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oh...... (Score:2)
Now that she's around, they'll have to make sure to put the seat down after making a leak.
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Looks like they'll need another safety sign. (Score:4, Funny)
this sign. [ubersite.com]
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You don't have permission to access
That's pretty conspicuous.
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On the Plus Side... (Score:5, Interesting)
You know, I just love the fact that Anousheh Ansari is up there. It has been so long since we've had such inspiration, imagination, and determination in the space program. Heck, even of all the space programs going on these days in the world. Her presence there is inspirational and has really captured the imagination of my kids and their friends. Simply wonderful to see that look in their eyes that I must have had in the Apollo days. A woman who paid a prize to go to space also paid for her own trip up there. Just for the fun of it! And to boot, with all that is going on in the world, she is of Iranian descent. I mean, come on. If we can't feel good about this and make some "nice" over it, then we should really be ashamed of ourselves.
This is just fantastic. Thank you, Anousheh.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Anousheh_Ansari .jpg [wikipedia.org]
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But, honestly, I doubt we'll get much further than this. Economics being what they are..
I don't see any practical reason for the ISS's existence.. its expensive and dangerous and its getting us nowhere fast.
Let me know when y'all want to have an honest and open discussion about space, until then there's The Disclosure Project and missing NASA moon landing videos to keep me entertained. I m
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You think some phoney pictures of some guys out in the desert pretending to be on the moon are the most important moment in history??
I'm sure glad NASA exists. Otherwise how would I pay a zillion dollars in taxes just so some dude can fly up into orbit to say
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Potassium Hydroxide (Score:5, Funny)
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Space Station and Shuttle, against the Sun (Score:5, Interesting)
http://www.astrosurf.com/legault/iss_shuttle.jpg [astrosurf.com]
It is just amazing the amount of detail that can be seen from the earth.
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That's awesome! My iPod is in my drawer! How does it do that!
(Failed HDD... and I don't smoke
Damn Microsoft (Score:5, Funny)
My god slasdot is nothing more than an MS bashing site these days.
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(This had to be done.) (^_^)b
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Female records (slightly OT) (Score:1)
Someone earlier mentioned (perhaps not on /.) that we're running out of "First"s for women in space travel. We're also very proud whenever another one can be ticked off the list.
We shouldn't be so proud to parade around these statistics: there's a whole class of them that haven't been touched: "First misson where there are a majority (or at least parity) of women..." Like, what is the most women that there have been in any 7-p
Anousheh Ansari official blog, other details (Score:5, Interesting)
Some other interesting bits of info:
* She's carrying a small carbon-fiber piece of Burt Rutan's SpaceShipOne [msn.com] up with her into orbit.
* According to an interview with MSNBC's Alan Boyle [msn.com], she had initially planned on bringing some science projects up with her, but this was scratched when the launch date was suddently bumped from being 1-2 years to being a few months away. However, she's purchased some datalink time in order to do live communications [msn.com] with groups at MIT and Google.
* Her company Prodea is working with the Russian space agency and Space Adventures to build a suborbital spacecraft which will launch out of spaceports in the UAE and Singapore.
* She rathes dislikes the term "space tourist." From an interview with space.com [space.com]:
SPACE.com: You don't like the term "space tourist" and call it an "over simplistic label to a complicated process." Can you further explain that?
AA: Absolutely. In a way I take offense when they call me a tourist because it brings that image of someone with a camera around their neck and a ticket in their hand walking to the airport to go on a trip somewhere and coming back to show their pictures. But I think spaceflight is much more than that.
I've been training for it for six months. I think if it is to be compared to an experiment or an experience on Earth it probably is closer to expeditions like people who go to Antarctica or people who climb Mount Everest. I mean that requires a lot more preparation, thinking, and studying or appreciation of the environment. So I would probably compare it more to an expedition than I would to a touristy trip to another city.
New Linux Version? (Score:1)
What is this, the 1950s? (Score:1, Troll)
News flash: In 2006, in the western world, except when it comes to physical activity, being a woman while X is not notable unless X is notable by itself. Being the "first female space tourist" is not a "first" that anyone should care about. Being one of the first few space tourists is. Being behind the Ansari X-Prize is. Being a woman is not.
Anyway, the post is wrong. Ans
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Once again.... why first female space tourist? (Score:1, Flamebait)
Of course, I bet she prefers the be the 'first' of something, but like I said in a previous -1 post, when I read 'first siamese space tourist' I am getting a gun and killing as many humans as possible to try and rebalance the sanity levels of the universe.
'Feminists', what do you make of 'first female space tourist'. Probably they welcome that moniker, because they are fucking stupid.
'Feminists' and 'male feminists' are certainly first against the wall. When I am king of course.
Cleaned up (Score:5, Funny)
In space, no one can hear you clean.
Obligatory Armaggedon quote (Score:1)
Russian spaceparts, american spaceparts...
ALL MADE IN TAIWAN!!
Now wait a second... (Score:2)
space tourism (Score:1)
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What is needed is basic research into propulsion systems - something that can get us into low earth orbit for less than $1,000/kg and with fuel consumption more in line with a jumbo jet.
If private enterprise wants to offer space trips, that's fine with me (my belief is that it's still too early for it t
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Given how useless the ISS is for research (too undermanned - they're basically janitors, not scientists), the Russians are not losing much by occasionally selling one of their spots to a tourist.
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http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iraq_r
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As you are aware,
Or the technology (Score:2)