Nanotech and the Blind 138
tomsastroblog writes "In a BBC report scientists injected blind hamsters with a solution containing nanoparticles. The result? Nerves re-grew and sight returned. The researchers injected the blind hamsters with a solution of synthetically made peptides; within 24 hours the brain started to heal itself. The peptides were later broken down by the body into a harmless substance and was excreted three to four weeks later. From the article: 'We are looking at this as a step process. If this can be used while operating on humans to mitigate damage during neurosurgery, that would be the first step,'"
iPod NanoBots (Score:5, Interesting)
After injecting the hamsters with a solution containing nanoparticles, the nerves re-grew and sight returned
This is pretty advanced. So why did Jordy have to wear that stupid visor?In order to try to restore quality of life to those individuals you can try to reconnect some disconnected parts to try to give some functionality
I guess John Bobbit could've used this as wellOn a serious note though, this seems really amazing. It's basically neuro-knitting a damaged brain back in place.
I wonder if this can somehow treat brain defects due to developmental problems. Disorders such as Schitzophrenia [schizophrenia.com] can be treated with a frontol lobotomy (although this is only done in extreme circumstances) where they disconnect nerves the front part of the brain. I wonder if they can use this technology to reconnect it in a way that will act as a treatment (sort of "rewiring").
They will no doubt look to see if it can heal the lesions from myelin deteriation caused by diseases like Multiple Sclerosis [nmss.org]. I think the fact that brain tissue regenerated in adult hamsters that weren't supposed to grow new brain tissue gives some promise to that. I know that Parkinson's disease also affects the nervous system, but I believe its caused by some kind of cellular failure. Nevertheless, this looks like some very promising research!
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Re:iPod NanoBots (Score:5, Informative)
Actually, this is an old fallacy. Research over the past decade has indicated that adult brains do actually continue to grow [wikipedia.org].
Re:iPod NanoBots (Score:1)
For the same reason the NCC-1701 had clocks made out of spinning cylinders.
KFG
Re:iPod NanoBots (Score:2)
This is pretty advanced. So why did Jordy have to wear that stupid visor?
IIRC it was because something unique about him prevented the surgery from working. They mentioned that in one show.
The real question is why was the air filter he wore so big? From other parts of the show we already saw smaller cameras,power sources and processing units. So a device could of been able to be made that would
Re:iPod NanoBots (Score:5, Funny)
The prop guys probably had a bet going to see if that guy from Reading Rainbow would wear a banana clip on his face.
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Salt Shaker Instruments (Score:2)
I hate to parade my Star Trek geek credentials, but in Star Trek Memories by Shatner, it's stated that the salt shakers came in during the episode with th
Re:iPod NanoBots (Score:2)
And why, oh why, was he able to see xrays, false color, extended light spectrums, heat and infared sensing, etc., but was unable to see a standard, color picture??
That always drove me nuts... If you can project a picture in to the dood's brain, can't it be, say, ANY picture?
Re:iPod NanoBots (Score:1)
BTW to grandparent it's spelled Geordi. As if you care.
Re:iPod NanoBots (Score:3, Interesting)
Geordi was, I think, blind from birth. This wasn't fixed early on, and so his visual cortex therefore never developed to process input. Even if they had fixed his eyes, he still would not have been able to "see" images like the rest of us (this really happens). His air filter (okay, fine, VISOR) was designed to interface with the central sensory processing center of his brain (I forget what this region is called), providing additional input which
Re:iPod NanoBots (Score:2)
I believe that you are referring to Star Trek: Insurrection where a regenerative field surrounding the planet featured in the movie causes Geordi's optic nerves to regenerate and restore his ability to see.
It should be noted, however, that Geordi was not wearing the VISOR at the time, and had switched to ocular implants directly on the eyes.
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Actually, this was Commander Riker, who had been temporarily endowed with the abilities of the Q.
curing the yearning masses... (Score:2)
While scientists are undoubtedly doing their "working for humanity" thing I could see how such technology could be appiled to aging/reversing aging. (Which brings up the question why anybody would have wrinkles.)
My expectation is that quite a lot of this tech will be used for cosmetic applications (in addition to helping the blind see and that sorta thing.) If the optimal look for attracting the opposite sex serves as a guide, women of
Re:iPod NanoBots (Score:1)
This method of treatment seems more intended for guided regrowth (ever read about the experiment where they switched up a frog's optic tectum?).
I recall seeing cross-sections of monkey brains after limited exposure to Ecstacy and the long term affects on seratonin-producing cells
Fantastic! (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Fantastic! (Score:1)
Re:Fantastic! (Score:2)
I use nanotechnology with every breath I draw. Nanoparticles of oxygen enter my lungs, merge with my bloodstream in nanoreactions, and are nano-ported to the rest of the nanomachines that make up my body.
I really detest what journalism does to otherwise upstanding and level headed scientists
I think you mean jargon (Score:2)
Jargon is specialized technical language or terms
Re:I think you mean jargon (Score:2)
Maybe we need a new word? (Score:2)
I propose: malargon. It combines malapropism and jargon in a word that sounds suspiciously like malarky
Re:Maybe we need a new word? (Score:1)
Re:Fantastic! (Score:2)
Fantastic Indeed...Who Thinks of This Stuff? (Score:2)
The article almost makes this sound like redneck science. "Hey Jethro, let's cut these hamster's optical nerves and see what happens when we dump a bunch of amino aci
Re:Fantastic! (Score:2)
When nanotech arrives my bet is that will be on a biochemical basis rather than the silicon-lithography basis that eats up all the funding nowadays. Designer proteins,
Re:Fantastic! (Score:5, Funny)
Funding? Claim they're eliminating the need to use embryonic stem cells.
Both? Claim it's due to the power of prayer, and everyone should send in five dollars.
Re:Fantastic! (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Fantastic! (Score:2)
Nanotechnology is any technology which exploits phenomena and structures that can only occur at the nanometer scale, which is the scale of several atoms and small molecules.
Hmm. First off, the article you site is not consistent on this point, or with regards to the facts. It further states:
Scientific progress is amazing (Score:5, Funny)
I hope these cures can be adapted for humans too.
Re:Scientific progress is amazing (Score:5, Insightful)
That's an interesting point, and I certainly think the parent is worth some mod points...
The common joke I hear when I talk to oncologists is "I can cure cancer in any mouse," and there's a point to that: plenty of treatments show a lot of promise in the mouse model, only to not pan out when tried in humans. The mouse model is a good starting point for research, but it's not always a great predictor of human response. -- Paul
Re:Scientific progress is amazing (Score:5, Funny)
My hypothesis is that the responses would be the same. To test this, go to Disneyland and kick Mickey Mouse in the crotch. Then, kick a comparably-sized human male in the crotch. Note the similarities in the response.
Re:Scientific progress is amazing (Score:3, Funny)
I tried, but I couldn't find any human males with such gigantic heads...
Re:Scientific progress is amazing (Score:1)
Significant Differences (Score:3, Funny)
First, I kicked my brother in the crotch. He doubled over, held his crotch and moaned. This was really just for form's sake cause I kick him there all the time and I already know what he does.
Then, I went to Disneyland... almost screwed up the experiment cause my travel agent booked Disney World instead but I caught the error in time. Anyway, I wandered around looking at Mickey until he was the same size as my brother. Funny that he can change his size, but I tell youe
Re:Significant Differences (Score:1)
Sorry, I forgot to mention that scientific crotch-kicking usually requires a permit.
Mickey - patent not pending. (Score:1)
The problem is comparing this with laboratory mice. See, Mickey is Copyrighted while laboratory mice are Patented. Any comparison is doomed to fail under litigation.
Re:Scientific progress is amazing (Score:1)
The next question: Why are we starting with mice if we can't always use promising developments on humans? Wouldn't that be a huge waste of initial effort and expectations?
Re:Scientific progress is amazing (Score:5, Interesting)
The next question: Why are we starting with mice if we can't always use promising developments on humans? Wouldn't that be a huge waste of initial effort and expectations?
That's a great question. In part, it's a matter of ethics: you can't try out new ideas on human beings. Also, mice breed and grow quickly, which makes them faster to try new ideas on. But as stated, they aren't a great predictor. Another interesting thought (and one I don't have much insight on) is that perhaps some ideas that don't work out for mice might actually work in humans but are prematurely rejected. (i.e., if false positives are possible, shouldn't false negatives also be possible?)
This touches on my work, in part; I'm a mathematician working on increasingly detailed computer models of cancer to see if we can eventually get a better and faster model than the mouse model. It's also a lot easier to control the experimental conditions on a computer. :)
If you're interested in these kinds of questions, I'd recommend also checking out some BusinessWeek articles from about a year ago, where they talked about the state of cancer research. Their conclusion was that the biggest roadblock today is the mouse model. I don't remember the exact citation, but I could dig for it if you are interested. -- Paul
Happy Pi Day to you Mr. Mathematician (Score:2)
Also, happy Pi Day to someone who no-doubt appreciates it. :)
Re:Scientific progress is amazing (Score:1)
I mean, isn't it natural for the average person to think, "better some mouse I don't even know than me"?
If you test something, and the mouse doesn't die, then we feel safer trying it on some terminally ill patient. Then finally on someone with a less serious condition.
Re:Scientific progress is amazing (Score:1)
Re:Scientific progress is amazing (Score:5, Funny)
Mouseus
Eat the Blue cheese and see just how deep the mousehole goes.
Welcome to the mouseterix....
Well hey... (Score:1)
paralysis (Score:5, Interesting)
This is wonderful news for our grandchildren (Score:2, Insightful)
Chicks dig scars, but nerves don't (Score:5, Informative)
Much of the permanence of nerve damage is due to scarring, which creates a barrier that nerves can't heal across. If you cut the nerve and put this gel into the wound within 45 minutes, it apparently helps the healing process. The reason? Minimizing scarring: [guardian.co.uk] Of course, this doesn't mean it's a useless discovery. If you have to perform surgery, say tumor removal, injecting this gel may promote growth in any nerves you may have just cut.
Re:Chicks dig scars, but nerves don't (Score:3, Insightful)
The clock's ticking (Score:4, Interesting)
The good news is that there's lots of research going into nerve regeneration and repair. Things like nerve growth factors, removing mylein-induced inhibition, and stem cells are all promising fields.
It'll be interesting when people's brains can be kept alive for long periods of time by replacing or modifying large chucks of it. When do I stop being really me?
Re:The clock's ticking (Score:1)
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What if you re-cut the scarred nerves (Score:2)
Beyond sight (Score:5, Interesting)
"The first thing we saw was that the brain had started to heal itself in the first 24 hours. We had never seen that before - so that was very surprising."
Hopefully this means this it could be used in the peripheral nervous system as well, to heal severed sensory neurons, or perhaps even spinal cord injuries. Too bad Christopher Reeve won't be around to see that.
Nursery Rhymes (Score:2, Funny)
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Neat but not quite there yet... (Score:5, Informative)
1.) Such procedures are useless for fixing old damage, scar tissue build up physically prevents nerves from "having a place to grow into". Additionally, large gaps are still impossible, so for big lesions or paternally using a surgical procedure to prep a site to regenerate will not fly. You cant just cut out the chunk of "damaged goods" and let it regrow fresh. So unless you use this trick as the article suggests at the time of injury ( surgery time perhaps), before scar forms you have ) chance of help.
2.) The other problem is one of myelination, the insulation around the axon on each motor nerve. Adult tissue lacks the ability to produce significant amounts of myelin to sheath nerves. Fetal stem cells cant, but not adult tissue. So it is likely that any nerves grown this way will be de-myelinated and not at all good for good signal transmission. Incidentally, one common type of de-myelinated nerve is the sensory nerve. just imagine, fix a arm amputation this way and i bet you will get VERY weal motor control, and potentially full or malformed sensory information due to the very good regrowth of random sensory nerves (think life long chronic pain). This side effect has been seen in a number of spinal injury patients given experimental stem cell treatment in china (right location I think).
3.) Of course proteins are small, nano even, but how is this "Nanotech". This would be more like "Biotech", ahh well the rain of buzz words to sell ideas shall continue unabated.
Re:Neat but not quite there yet... (Score:3, Interesting)
You raise some good points, but then again, it wasn't too long ago that it was considered "impossible" to get mammalian nerve tissue to regenerate. Now it's being shown that it can be done, even if in a limited manner.
There's still a lot of ground that has to be covered, and there's going to be a lot of false leads as well. Several years ago, I had the opportunity to work with one of the pioneers of transplant surgery. The tales he told of the difficulties they faced back in the 1950's trying to figur
Re:Neat but not quite there yet... (Score:3, Interesting)
What?? You don't have to "get" them to regrow. They do so on their own!
Want proof? I have Bell's Palsy. The nerve in the left side of my face died and my face was half-paralyzed. But now the nerve is growing back. Every day, some part of my face starts twitching as the newly-grown never attaches to it.
The moral of the story is: some nerves do grow back on their own. Nerve regrowth is a common thing that happens in animals all the time without any medicine of a
Medicine absolutely amazes me sometimes (Score:5, Interesting)
The REAL story (Score:3, Funny)
We're doomed! Borg mice, who'd'a'thought it!
Sam
not nanotech! (Score:5, Insightful)
This is not nanotechnology.
The scientists injected peptides. Short strings of amino acids. The same stuff that comprises every protein in our bodies. So how is that nanotech? Simply because molecules are on the nanometer scale? Then I guess that makes all electronics pico- or femtotechnology.
Don't listen to the bullshit article's vocabulary--there's a more appropriate word for what they're doing, and it's called MOLECULAR BIOLOGY
update your dictionary (Score:2)
BTW, a protien is just an overgrown peptide. Basically they injected protien.
Sure it is (Score:2)
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Re:Sure it is (Score:2)
They are manufacturing synthetic peptides. Peptides are molecules. QED.
Re:Sure it is (Score:2)
Re:Sure it is (Score:2)
Chemical reactions typically occur one molecule at a time. One could easily set up conditions of concentration such that only one molecule is being made at any given time, although this would be rather inefficient when you need a lot of them. Are you seriously trying to argue that a "factory" efficiently producing a nanoscale molecule does not qualify as nanotechnology, while producing exactly the sam
Re:Sure it is (Score:2)
Great. Now show me a condition of concentration such that only one molecule is being made, not at a time but being made period, and you are able to find it and do something with it, and I'll concede the point.
Re:Sure it is (Score:3, Interesting)
Again, this is easy to do. One can easily find a dilution such that there is no more than one molecule of substrate per tube, while immunological and fluorescence methods are capable of binding and tracking individual molecules, if for some reason it was necessary to do so. But you are begging the ques
Re:Sure it is (Score:2)
If they don't depend on the placement of individual atoms or molecules then it's not really nanotechnology.
Nanoscale doesn't make nanotech.
Now, nanobuil
Re:Sure it is (Score:2)
Every one of those individual atoms in those peptides is placed at a specific location. Biochemistry is a very powerful tool for placing specific atoms at specific places.
Also, the value of nanotechnology is not only in passive structures whose design is static, and based on its simple physical properties, but also in structures that appear (at our scale of perception) to be solid, but which are actual
Mere Chemistry (Score:1)
Doesn't that make the term redundant?
Re:Mere Chemistry (Score:2)
Nope. (Score:2)
That's two words.
Re:not nanotech! (Score:2)
Remember that 0.1 nm is equivalent to 100 pm or 100,000 fm. I don't think there are any atoms that are 1 nm in diameter. Uranium [wikipedia.org] has a vdW radius of only 186 pm. But yes, I was mostly referring to the electrons and
Stem Cells (Score:1)
Three Blind Mice (Score:1)
Three Blind Mice or the Hamster Dilemma (Score:1)
Because they figured you'd pay more attention if they used Hamsters.
No go turn off the reality show about Geeks you're watching, and watch some scientific programming for a change
Re:Three Blind Mice (Score:1)
Newsflash: Farmer's Wife Career in Jeopardy (Score:1)
My first thought (Score:3, Interesting)
Kind of like how "No Child Left Behind" can be true, so long as everyone is held back equally.
This is all starting to make sense now. (Score:1)
Great science... but... (Score:4, Insightful)
I would like to play the thinker's advocate, though. It is important to understand the other side of this... blind culture, much like deaf culture, is a distinct means of life - one that doesn't think that blind (or deaf) people are "broken" in some way. Yes, folks with all five of their senses tend to look at those with less-than-five as though something is "wrong" with them. But, from the perspective of a great many blind and deaf people, they're not "broken" or "impaired" at all. Indeed, in some places, the deaf and the blind communities celebrate their different-ness and have wonderful, productive lives. You can see a few starting points here at this simple Wikipedia article: Wikipedia article on deaf culture [wikipedia.org].
With all that said... if indeed this technology leads to folks (that want to see (or see again)) having new or regained sight, then I'm really interested in this. I'd like to see this technology extended to nerve damage, spinal repairs (particularly spinal injury repair).
Re:Great science... but... (Score:2, Interesting)
Them thinking it doesn't make it true. I'm certainly not bashing blind culture, deaf culture or any other culture here, but they are, in fact, "broken". They have organs that don't work as designed. Doesn't make them lesser people, doesn't mean they aren't as happy, fulfilled, mean, frustrated, joyful, etc
Exchanging three lemons for two oranges. (Score:2)
This is indeed the canonical nutty position when it comes to "deaf culture". But the cochlear implant isn't a no-brainer. For one thing, it involves surgery which has intrinsic risks. For another, you'd want to make sure that appropriate support and social services were still available to the child, and not denied on grounds that the kid's now not "deaf enough" to qualify for sign language or lip-re
M*A*S*H and Richard Gere (Score:2)
And on the Hamster front, don't tell Richard Gere about this!
Better description (Score:5, Interesting)
Actually what happened is this: the tracks in the visual cortex were severed and then a biodegradable peptide solution was injected into the damaged area in the brain, which created a 3d matrix of that allowed new cells to the edges in the matrix thus reconstructing the actual cell connections rather than producing scarring tissue.
This process can be applied to damaged areas of the brain or nerves in the spinal cord.
I think this brings the humans one step closer to immortality - imagine using stem cellls and these peptides to reconstruct damage of the brain and the nerve system that is caused by aging and/or trauma.
Re:Better description (Score:2)
Nevertheless, this is important research and a serious step forward in reapiring neurological damage.
I hope the researchers run with this a long way and get major practical treatments of wide ranging application from it. Great wealth, a trip to Stockholm and a grateful planet aw
Re:Better description (Score:2)
Quote from MIT article:
This technique, which involves giving brain cells an internal matrix on which to regrow, just as ivy grows on a trellis, may one day help patients with traumatic brain
Where to take this? (Score:2)
I can't decide which will garner more Funny mods...a Lemmiwinks joke or an obscure Star Trek TNG cellular peptide with mint frosting reference. Decisions decisions...
If it can heal.... (Score:2)
The implications of biological warfare could be about to become a whole lot more interesting.
Re:If it can heal.... (Score:2)
Or then again, you might just be a clueless immature slashdotter too wrapped up in his own life to understand encouraging medical research when you read it.
Things to Think About (Score:2)
2. hamsters are not human - mind you, experimenting on hamsters is probably a better idea than experimenting on humans.
3. for all we know, it's just sticky factor regluing it together.
4. initial studies, until replicated with sufficient controls more than once with similar results, are just that - initial studies. wait until we get larger amounts of data before Worshipping
Developmental problems (Score:1)
But if Dr. Crusher had medical nanobots... (Score:1)
Vision Repair -- Doesn't help Blind from Birth yet (Score:1)
Re:Nanotech for Other Ailments (Score:1)
On a more serious note, it seems like calling this a 'first step' in understating things a bit. This alone is of huge value in repairing nerve damage
Re:Nanotech for Other Ailments (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:What about other applications? (Score:1)
Re:What about other applications? (Score:2)
1. This would count as a chemical weapon
2. Explosives to physically cause damage are cheap
3. Guidance packages and such are just as expensive no matter what the payload - whether it be inert, explosive, or NBC.
Also, if the chemicals are expensive, you have to remember that manual application on patients would take alot less than the amount you'd have to spray to try to get a couple hundred people in a field or other uncontrolled area
Re:What about other applications? (Score:1)
1. It was a joke
2. Notwithstanding all that, the military could research it to see if there might be some use for them that we haven't thought of yet
Re:Aerosol isn't all that great (Score:3, Insightful)
Hrm... Wouldn't it be easier to cultivate Anthrax or make Nerve Gas for military applications?
Well truth be told aerosol attacks are highly ineffective for military applications.