China's Internet Addiction Clinic 265
An anonymous reader writes "China has decided that if you are spending too much time online, you must be an addict. They've just opened a clinic to treat these internet addicts. Scarier is the head gear they have one patient hooked up to, and the fact that they think that this is some sort of epidemic and will shortly be expanding and adding 200 more beds to their clinics. In my opinion, the internet is way better and safer than alcohol and drugs any day. " We also covered this story last july.
its not the head (Score:2)
Imagine how the gear would be, when they realize that its not the head thats messed up ;)
Re:its not the head (Score:2)
Gonna have to face it....you're addicted to DUPES (Score:5, Interesting)
Story is a dupe...original story can be found here [slashdot.org].
I'm not complaining, mind you...the original story garnered a scant 31 comments, so I'm glad to see it posted again. I'm especially glad to see the pic of the bizzare headgear composed of equal parts ignition wiring and surgical tubing...I have a new wallpaper!
Seriously, though, from TFA: I went through the same thing during my big MUD/MUSH phase back in the early 90's...14+ hours online every day of the week, and I was losing weight because I was forgetting to eat. But you know what? Somehow, I survived, and I didn't need some scary nurse wrapping my head in neo-bondage gear to do it. This 'clinic' is selling digital snake oil...nothing more.
Re:Gonna have to face it....you're addicted to DUP (Score:2, Insightful)
But then surely you admit that there is such a thing as Internet addiction, and that it can really mess up a person's life for a while. If it can be t
Re:Gonna have to face it....you're addicted to DUP (Score:4, Insightful)
People get over smoking, drinking, and heroin on their own too. Some people. Others need help.
Re:Gonna have to face it....you're addicted to DUP (Score:3, Interesting)
scary nurses (Score:5, Funny)
You say that like it's a *bad* thing.
Re:scary nurses (Score:4, Informative)
Re:scary nurses (Score:2)
Electroencephalogram (Score:2)
Yeah.
Re:Gonna have to face it....you're addicted to DUP (Score:2)
With that said, I wish I could find an addiction that would make me forget to eat.
Here you go....just follow this simple program [gozer.org], and you'll shed that unwanted weight in no time! ^_^
Re:Gonna have to face it....you're addicted to DUP (Score:2)
Addiction is Opinionated (Score:2)
But it is an addiction if you visit internet chat rooms after chat rooms.
Fear mongering (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Fear mongering (Score:5, Insightful)
Scary? Not really, but..... (Score:2, Interesting)
Yes, I think the fears of certai
Re:Scary? Not really, but..... (Score:2)
Re:Scary? Not really, but..... (Score:2)
Depending on the individual, there are already pills for that. MDMA, Xanex, valium, hydrocodone, morphine, etc work on a decent range of people.
Kidding aside, this is not a medical problem that a pill can fix.
Addictions are an avoidance, they are not the problem in themselves. They are learned behavior that requires a relatively short time for reinforcement. To my knowledge, people do not get a
Re:Scary? Not really, but..... (Score:2)
Trazodone, an old medication generally used for sleeplessness these days, has the annoying habit of causing priapism.
Or, so I heard from a... friend.
Safer? Maybe. (Score:2)
Not a new concept.. (Score:3, Interesting)
Internet BBSs (Score:2)
Smartass; actually, there were plenty of BBSs *on the Internet* in 1994. I know because I used them (*) when I first got in the net in late 1993 (before I'd heard of the WWW, and was still trying to figure out gopher) and they were still there in mid-1995.
Obviously they died out in the face of the web and such like, but they did exist and let you d
Re:Internet BBSs (Score:2)
That's really a matter of opinion. So far as I can tell, the only difference between the dial-in and telnet-in BBSs was... the dialling in vs. the telnetting in. They certainly didn't exploit the more flexible nature of the Internet and TCP/IP more than that, they were merely terminals, just like a dial-in service.
And they referred to themselves as BBSs; would anyone at that time have argued that they weren't BBSs simply because they weren't dial-in?
Assuming- of cour
Re:Internet BBSs (Score:2)
Of course it is. BBS stands for "Bulletin Board System"; even Slashdot counts as one. The connection method is completely irrelevant to the title. And, of course, during the transition period some BBS's had both dial-up and telnet interfaces.
BBS's didn't die, they are alive and well. They just changed their title to "Web Forum", and some of them outsourced the file upload/download functions to P
Relative comparison is irrelevant (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Relative comparison is irrelevant (Score:5, Interesting)
The main problem I suspect is the internet cafes. If the computer is at home, the parents can control its use (by force if necessary). However, with internet cafes it is out of the parent's control. Now that I think about it, it has the potential to be worse than gambling as gambling at least is constrained by money.
Huh? (Score:4, Interesting)
> We also covered this story last july.
So have they just opened the clinic or not?
Internet Addiction Clinic! (Score:5, Funny)
That blog is a waste of bits (Score:4, Insightful)
Recently computers are used in developing dangerous nuclear weapons.
WTF? Steel is also used in developing nuclear weapons. So is plastic and electricity. I should create a blog about the 'negative effects of using steel' I guess?
People are thrown out of their jobs due to the computerization. This has affected the working middle aged persons a lot.
People were thrown out of their jobs due to the invention of the printing press as well.Nowadays computers are misused by lots of people for sharing pornographic materials.
Better ban printed pictures as well. Oh, I guess cave-paintings are dangerous too.
In all seriousness, what is this ragtag group of drivel supposed to mean? I could come up with a simmiar list of the negative effects of useing oxygen.
Hmmm..... (Score:2)
I see dupe addiction is spreading amongst the editors with Zonk being paitent zero. When will we see a clinic for that?
Please report for re-education (Score:5, Interesting)
You couldn't be more wrong. Alcohol and drugs suppress your higher brain functions, as well as your desire to do anything but get more alcohol and drugs. Properly managed, you will continue to be a loyal servant of the state, since we produce the alcohol and tolerate the drugs.
Excessive use of the Internet, on the other hand, could lead to independent thought, social instability, and rebellion.
Please report to Minitrue immediately.
Losing my sense of satire... (Score:3, Insightful)
I have absolutely no data to back this up, but I think that by doing the bulk of my reading on the net, I'm losing something. I think it's because most of the writing on the net is for 12 year olds and under. There are, of course some exceptions [salon.com]. It's the same as watching too much TV as opposed
Re:Losing my sense of satire... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Please report for re-education (Score:3, Insightful)
The key word is "could". More often than not though, if you're online excessively then you're not doing the other thing you should be doing. You're not getting much excercise sitting infront of a screen, and are probably ingesting more "fast foods" since healthier stuff takes time to prepare/buy... not to mention your social life is most likely suffering.
When you look at those that shaped s
Re:Please report for re-education (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Please report for re-education (Score:3, Interesting)
Or it leads to playing WoW all day every day and you turn in to a vegetable. You will also do anything the state demands of you as long as they provide high internet access and long stretches of uninterrupted game time.
If you've player WoW lately you know that it is increasingly being overrun by Chinese, many of whom are making a living off it farming and reselling gold on assorted web s
-1, ignorant drug propaganda (Score:2)
You are the screaming stereotype of the
Addiction (Score:3, Insightful)
China == Borg (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:China == Borg (Score:3, Insightful)
I realize blanket statements are easier to type, but ffs include at least some specific facts.... First, you're talking about 19th century pre-revolution China, a substantially different country from today's communist China both politically and socially. Secondly, it was almost exclusively the British that fostered the opium market in the far east. Other "West" countries played much smaller roles, in fact the United S
Depends on your Definition of Safer (Score:5, Interesting)
Addiction [wikipedia.org] that stems from the mind, and not drugs, is a real thing. I had a college professor who was addicted to running and the "high" it gave him. It got to the point of being unhealthy. Right now, I'm only mildly skeptical of the clinic, but from TFA it doesn't seem that China is "Forcing" people to go, so if a person feels they should voluntarily submit themselves to treatment then I say more power to them. Recognizing an addiction is really the first step. I'm sure, just because this is China, that people will react strongly to it, but I'd wager that at least a few
Idle curiosity... (Score:3, Insightful)
Whilst I was in HS I saw my grades drop from straight A's to C's and D's because I was online so much I didn't do any homework or studying. So basically I had no social life (unless you count chat rooms and the like) and wasn't very productive at all.
Idle curiosity: where were your parents/guardians while this was happening? Why wasn't anyone guiding you during your formative years? This is a bigger looming problem than the perils of [alleged] "Internet addiction".
Re:Depends on your Definition of Safer (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Pre internet addiction (Score:2)
No, you're a girl .. girls are exempt from the "geek" pejorative.
A better indicator would be, did you start having more sex as a result of getting married? If so, then who cares?
Re:Pre internet addiction (Score:2)
What about... (Score:2, Insightful)
Drugs and Booze (Score:3, Insightful)
LS
Re:Drugs and Booze (Score:2)
There are some similarities between Internet addiction and being a pot head (as opposed to casual users of either).
Internet addictions always safer? (Score:4, Informative)
I dunno about you, dude, but I've know people who have spend hours and hours of their time online because of their net addiction, often going to bed at 4:00 AM because they're so busy IMing. I've had friends fail out of school and lose their jobs because of this. I've never had a friend of mine lose their job because they smoked pot; even the most pot-addicted of them (and trust me, I know a few) are reasonably functional, and probably healthier than those people who stay up until 4:00 eating junk food and then getting little sleep and complaining about their "insomnia".
Not surprising. (Score:4, Insightful)
drink and drugs (Score:2, Funny)
But drink and drugs can be a lot more fun and can involve bumping into real life horny drunken girlies and having even more fun.
Depends... (Score:3, Insightful)
You know, that really depends on what you mean by "safe". I'm not arguing the alchohol so much as the smoking pot. You see, net addiction leads to sleep deprivation which is INCREDIBLY unhealthy, often times poor diet decisions and bad hygene and perhaps one of the biggest problems is the social issues it causes.
You see, alchohol and pot tend to be more "social" vices (yeah, you have your closet boozers and potheads, but the vast majority of people use it socially), which has you interacting with people in the flesh versus the net where you interact via a screen.
Physical human face to face contact is something all humans need, and I would worry about the long term mental health consequences of net addiction...especially since I myself have suffered from it.
Re:Depends... (Score:2)
But I'm trying to wrap my head around the claim that internet addiction somehow leads to poorer hygene and sleep habits than addictions to alcohol or pot. I suspect that will be difficult to show, especially if as I suspect, it isn't true.
You see, alchohol and pot tend to be more "social" vices (yeah, you have your closet boozers and potheads, but the vast majority of people use it socially), which has you interac
That's not the point (Score:5, Interesting)
But alcohol and drugs don't expose you to the concept of freedom and independance. What they're really trying to stop is the influx of such ideas.
Re:That's not the point (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:That's not the point (Score:2)
I've known people who ended up in psychiatry because of "internet addiction" as they became isolated and consumed by "the internet". Everything around them falls away and stops to matter, causing circular behaviourism; The online life being more "pleasant", "safe" or "better" and is experienced as something "they have control over", which they might feel they lack in reality.
In that sense, it hasn't got anything to do by limiting information, but by underlaying reasons or by '
I would give up (Score:2)
If someone gave me electo-shock "therapy" I know I would stop using the Internet. In fact I think I will stop now just in case. No carrier....
They also have freedom addiction clinics (Score:5, Interesting)
China's Psychiatric Terror [nybooks.com]
At its triennial congress in Yokohama last September, the World Psychiatric Association (WPA) overwhelmingly voted to send a delegation to China to investigate charges that dissidents were being imprisoned and maltreated as "political maniacs" both in regular mental hospitals and in police-run psychiatric custodial institutions known as the Ankang. (The word literally means "Peace and Health.")
The psychiatrists who staff these institutions, Dangerous Minds shows, tend to assume that their patients are mad because of their political beliefs or actions. The diagnoses made in both the political dissident and Falun Gong cases, ranging from "delusions of reform" to "paranoid psychosis," are highly reminiscent of the long-discredited label of "sluggish schizophrenia" that the Soviets used to apply to their dissidents and religious nonconformists.
But... (Score:2)
It's not like China has a history of this (Score:2)
And yes I'm being mostly sarcastic.
Not to be taken lightly (Score:2)
There hav
compare (Score:2)
Whereas in China, this hole into
Chinese Can Be Sensible (Score:2)
Makes you wonder. Oriental cultures have a distinctly different approach to social arrangement. And in America, we've seen more than enough people devolving their lives with playing EQ, indulging in chat rooms in lieu of real socialization, ditching husbands, wives and lovers for "true life mates" they meet online, etc.
Often enough, I look at my own life and wonder if I haven't made a bad trade by investing time
call an ambulance (Score:2)
Dude. get to a clinic.
It's a bigger problem in Japan (Score:3, Informative)
The lack of social contact and prolonged solitude has a profound effect on the mentality of the hikikomori, who gradually lose their social skills and the necessary social references and mores of the outside world. Anguished about their isolation and acutely self aware of their problem, they immerse themselves into the fantasy worlds of manga, television or computer games, which in turn becomes their only frame of reference. As time passes, the hikikomori, lacking interpersonal stimulus, developmentally stagnates into routine behaviors of sleeping all day and staying up all night only to sneak out into the kitchen for food when the family is asleep. Eventually, hikikomori may abandon their diversions of books and TV and simply stare into space for hours at a time. -- Wikipedia, "hikikomori" [wikipedia.org]
It's such a big problem in Japan that the birth rate has dropped substantially. [usatoday.com]
Re:It's a bigger problem in Japan (Score:3, Insightful)
The Internet as alternate reality to life outside (Score:2)
Dr Tao Ran, head of the clinic, said the scale of the problem in China was enormous:
"Every day in China, more than 20 million youngsters go online to play games and hit the chat rooms, and that means that internet addiction a
regarding addiction to safe things (Score:2)
BS Detector on Blue Alert, Captain (Score:2)
Ausome! (Score:2)
A Clockwork Orange, anyone? (Score:4, Interesting)
Stop being so paranoid (Score:2)
Off to the Neducation Center for you. (Score:2)
"Oh! I see by the Big Board we got a Negative Nellie in Sector Two. I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask the whole family to kind of freeze and prepare for Re-Neducation!"
I'm Wen Jiabao and I approved this message.
Imagine that... (Score:2)
I wonder if they would treat people who read for 4 hours a day for paper addiction.
how things are so subjective (Score:2)
China's powerful want to keep control of their population as much as possible. This is only another way to achieve this goal.
Headgear (Score:4, Funny)
speak for yourself (Score:2)
SPeak for yourself...
How is this any different? (Score:2)
Could someone explain the difference between the above statement, and those used by Comp Sci, and Engineering students nearing assignment due dates and exams?
I remember taking two courses in the same semester that everyone warned me about not taking in the same semester. That resulted in me "often going without food or sleep" in an effort to make deadlines. I entered the semester a healthy stud
Mental Health Treatment and Totalitarian Countries (Score:5, Interesting)
It's not surprising that China is undergoing an internal struggle over how to handle the internet- the net is the most obvious disease vector for thoughtcrime there could be. It's also the key to unlocking China's economic potential, allowing much simpler commercial integration with the rest of the world. It's hard for the authorities to keep a lid on it- no matter how much companies like google, cisco, and yahoo willingly participate in selling freedom down the river.
I suspect that this is intended to be a warning to dissidents- 200 beds in China won't be terribly effective- and perhaps a symbol for the other members of the politburo as to how sincere their sponsor is in his willingness to crush dissent, particularly people who dare to post anything of significance on their blogs.
These guys don't play games, they kill people.
I doubt it (Score:4, Interesting)
It's just propaganda, nothing more. Look at the headgear that guy's got on. What purpose could it possibly serve in curing "internet addiction"? Methinks the story and the pictures serve to scare the populace from excessive computer use (assuming they actually take these stories seriously).
Does that head gear... (Score:2)
Hmm...let's compare: Clockwork Orange [georgetown.edu] to Chinese Internet Addict Clicnic [bbc.co.uk]
headgear - EEG (Score:2)
Maybe we really are too addicted to capitalism (Score:2)
Maybe the political divisiveness in the western world is so great that we want to believe China's state news is for real and it really doesn't have a terrorist problem. We want to believe that a centrally run
medical industry invents diseases? (Score:2)
true signs of an addict (Score:2)
In my opinion, marijuana is way better and safer than alcohol and other drugs any day.
In my opinion, prescription pills are way better and safer than alcohol and other drugs any day.
In my opinion, sex is way better and safer than alcohol and drugs any day.
In my opinion, extreme sports are way better and safer than alcohol and drugs any day.
You'd better watch it, you yourself could be an addict :)
Maybe not that wacky (Score:2)
Given that we are talking about the PRC I suspect a sinister motive, bu t whether it is addiction or just compulsion I think there might be something beyond just the sinister motive.
It's about politics (Score:2)
Sometimes I scare myself... (Score:2)
Re:Idea.... (Score:2)
They already have one. Problem is, it's not online, you only have one life, and you can't escape. It's called "Paranoia".
Re:Idea.... (Score:2)
>
> They already have one. Problem is, it's not online, you only have one life, and you can't escape. It's called "Paranoia".
Congratulations, Troubleshooter! You have been selected to help defend China Complex against the scourge of Internet Addiction! Internet Addiction is the process by which Capitalist Mutant Mystical Traitors infiltrate and subvert the glory that is China Complex!
Trust t
Re:Idea.... (Score:2)
Re:Idea.... (Score:2)
Why do you hate China? Is it because you have researched the issues and c
Re:Idea.... (Score:2)
Is Rupert Murdoch better than Xinhua? Only a little. Is Ted Turner, BBC or even VoA? Absolutely.
Newspapers are routinely shut down for critizing corrupt officials and evil practices. The Internet is censored. A person cannot simply write a pamphlet without risking life and limb. And in this instance, the Central Government is making an attempt to justify
Safer... but... (Score:4, Insightful)
Addiction is where any behavior begins to affect how you live your life. I'm addicted to breathing, eating and sleeping, but I can live a normal life doing all of these things. It's when you do something to such an extent that it significantly harms your way of life. I've known people who by most measures were alcoholics. They drank all the time, waking up with a screwdriver, etc. But in the end, they functioned fine in their daily lives. Never lost a job, beat their kids, etc. They just drank a lot.
The same goes for Internet addiction. It's not being on the Internet a lot that's bad. It's when other things suffer for it. When you don't eat, don't sleep, don't socialize, etc, then it's a problem. And ultimately you have to decide if it's a problem for you. I'm on-line a lot myself. I work on-line, I go home, and maybe spend 2 or 3 hours on the average night not on-line, then I'm back on-line again. But in the end, I'm married, I get out and socialize with friends, I eat, I sleep, etc.
As for "healthier". Well sitting in one place all the time, eating junk food and pumping yourself with caffiene is probably not much better for you than drinking a lot, smoking, or doing harder drugs. Arguably more people kill themselves with Internet addiction than say marijuana. I've never heard of somebody dying after a four day streak of getting stoned.
Re:Safer... but... (Score:4, Funny)
Indeed. I can't imagine too many people on a four-day weed bender forgetting to eat, for instance
Re:Safer... but... (Score:2)
In Literature Theory class yesterday we were talking about Freud (yeah, was on
Correction. (Score:2)
Another article, and more evidance (Score:2)
Re:The head gear (Score:2)
Re:For gosh sake... (Score:2)