BBC Reports 38% Jump In U.S. Broadband Use 185
Sammy at Palm Addict writes "The BBC tells how broadband internet usage has soared over in the U.S. 'More and more Americans are joining the internet's fast lane, according to official figures. The number of people and business connected to broadband jumped by 38% in a year, said the U.S. Federal Communications Commission (FCC).'"
Yay! (Score:3, Funny)
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Re:Utility of the Internet: Information, not Movie (Score:2)
Re:Utility of the Internet: Information, not Movie (Score:2)
If you really consider Fox News and CNN to be the best, most accurate information in the world, I truly pity you.
Problem with Broadband (Score:4, Interesting)
Parts of the far east and scandinavia seem to have far faster connections already... yet in the west we are rolling out slow broadband services and haven't really got plans for higher speed ones.
This will restrict the possibilities for video on demand and similar services. Of course it's likely that comcast et al might want that...
Re:Problem with Broadband (Score:1)
On the other hand, as you say, things in other countries are much better. I know of a guy in Scandinavia who was getting a 1Mbit connection supplied by the government. It turns out that the only thing limiting his connection to that sp
Re:Problem with Broadband (Score:2)
Broadband service can be light years removed from the reliability of POTS.
Every component of the system would require extended back-up power. Several hours at minimum, I would think, which is asking a lot of an affordable, consumer-grade, UPS. "Smart Home" systems with trustworthy off-site monitoring and emergency response do not come cheap.
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Re:Problem with Broadband (Score:4, Interesting)
When your connection gets faster it becomes practical to mount disks on remote systems. I'm forced to do this sort of thing for work and it's pretty slow even when i'm only editing source files.
I also upload a number of large image files, and could always use this being faster.
It seems like this is a case of the 640k problem.
Re:Problem with Broadband (Score:3, Insightful)
> I'm forced to do this sort of thing for work and it's pretty slow even when i'm only
> editing source files.
I don't know what kind of work environment you have, but I find it much faster to remote-X my Lucid Xemacs over an ssh connection that I do to mount the disks and edit them that way.
The added bonus is that I don't have to compile on my slow home boxen to test my changes.
Re:Problem with Broadband (Score:1, Informative)
That seems plenty fast to me...
Re:Problem with Broadband (Score:2)
Sounds like the US and UK strategy is to squeeze as much as possible from our antiquated telephone and cable networks, and we'll worry about laying fiber some time later....
Re:Problem with Broadband (Score:3, Insightful)
FIOS *is* Fiber to the Premises
It's not a future promise, it's not "squeezing the telephone network". It's a new network based on fiber to your house, it's fast, and it's being deployed NOW. Verizon is investing 2.5 billion in deploying it through 2005.
Besides, what's wrong with copper and coax? ADSL2 offers 25Mbit speeds when used
Re:Problem with Broadband (Score:2)
Re:Problem with Broadband (Score:2)
It seems you missed my point altogether.
FIOS is Verizon's (a major US telco) name for fiber-to-the-premises. They are paying $2.5 billion to pursue a rather agressive rollout schedule throughout 2005.
Verizon can't 'not use FIOS' because FIOS is their brand for FTTP services.
Re:Problem with Broadband (Score:2)
It'll probably go into areas that already have some broadband services, instead of into areas with none.
Re:Problem with Broadband (Score:4, Insightful)
The main problem with slow broadband--stateside and elsewhere--is the transmission medium. Rollout of broadband to new areas often entails laying down hundreds of km of fibre, as many areas have nothing but Cu wire prior to this. Add to this that the two most prevalent broadband solutions still use Cu for the "Last Mile", and you have huge bottlenecking problems. To their credit, Verizon is trying to fix the problem [verizon.com], but any infrastructure change on this scale is going to take aeons.
Contrast this with S. Korea--the poster child for a wired society. Look back a measly few decades, and lo and behold, no telecom/cable infrastructure to speak of! By the time they started really getting serious about geting wired, fibre had become the Medium of Choice, so that's what they used.
Consequently, they get blisteringly fast internet connections, and are often puzzled or pitying when their US friends complain about slow downloads or quadruple-digit ping values. The US can have this kind of speed, and it will, but the time required to replace an existing network (or notwork, as may be the case ^_^) is several orders of magnitude greater than the requirement for installing an infrastructure into a virgin environment.
Isn't that a problem with private companies (Score:5, Interesting)
Most people, like my parents, never saw the need for broadband, but now that they have 512k connections can't understand how they coped without them.
People won't want a faster connection until they've come to expect one, but presently that only includes those of us who've worked with networks in the acaedemic or corporate world.
At work i'll cancel a download that's under about 600kbytes/s and try to find a mirror - yet i remember when 3kbyte/s was revolutionary.
Still if company X says that a 1Mbit/s connection is blazingly fast broadband then 90% of people will eat it up and never disagree. So there's no incentive to do anything better - which is surely where the government should come in.
They happily build 10 lane highways, surely a good comm network is a natural extension of that.
Re:Isn't that a problem with private companies (Score:2, Interesting)
A couple months ago I looked into upgrading my DSL to 1.5 meg. At that time it was three times the bandwidth for twice the money. Not a bad deal on the face of it but I wasn't ready to pony up $100/mon
Re:Isn't that a problem with private companies (Score:2)
No thanks.
I don't know about other countries, but here in France, the speed and availability of broadband has gone way, way up since France Telecom's monopoly was broken and private companies were allowed to start doing things. Even just a couple of years ago, $50/month for a 512kbit connection was about as good as you could
Re:Problem with Broadband (Score:2)
Would just like to say that we were in the same situation here in Sweden with an existing copper ne
Re:Problem with Broadband (Score:2)
Slow broadband is still better than dialup (Score:3, Interesting)
Wasn't it just a few monthes ago when CmdrTaco
Re:Slow broadband is still better than dialup (Score:2)
I now live in MO, and in the most rural areas, even DSL is available (Which is surprising).
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Asia is different (Score:2)
Supposedly in the US, now that the Bells have reasserted themseles as monopoly players, speeds will start going up. I've seen many references [com.com] to fiber to the home being on the horizon.
Teh Metrixs? (Score:4, Funny)
Funny... (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Funny... (Score:5, Insightful)
They're too busy talking about Scott Peterson or the eating problems of that one Olsen twin. You know, the important stuff.
Re:Funny... (Score:2, Funny)
outsourced to the uk apparently
Re:Funny... (Score:3, Interesting)
I will say, though, that the BBC did a pretty good job. Still, it was a bit odd watching a British reporter interview an American border patrol off
Re:Funny... (Score:2, Insightful)
However, the BBC has advantag
Re:Funny... (Score:1)
Are you kidding? Just when the war in the Iraq started, Fox News pretty much stamped BBC News as liberal propaganda not that far above Al Jazeera. And you get a pretty good feel for what the Bush administration feel about different people by listening to Fox News.
Re:Funny... (Score:2)
Re:Funny... (Score:2)
I'm not trying to take sides, but whether or not you think Fox is news or propaganda, it is quite naive to discount its influence.
Re:Funny... (Score:5, Funny)
Currently there are still some practical considerations (how do we move Canada to join up with continental Europe?), but once the polar ice has melted there should be nothing to stop us from sawing Canada free and towing it to its new location.
The benefits to everyone are obvious: the EU is currently extremely crowded, but it will get a lot of extra land through this deal. The Canadians finally get a neighbour that respects them. The UK is finally rid of that damn EU, and the US... Well, I guess not everyone wins but the UK is only a small country anyway, most of you won't notice any changes...
Re:Funny... (Score:2)
So how long you been living abroad then? Must have been gone for quite a while, huh?
A few more stories you might have missed... (Score:3, Informative)
The BBC however is hardly free of self-censorship, and its news is presented very much from the point of view of the cliques that run it.
The best news IMHO is dominated neither by governments nor corporations, but there's not a lot of that around these days, at least not on television or in dailies.
Re:A few more stories you might have missed... (Score:2)
Or have I misunderstood you?
It's just a different business model (Score:2)
Hmm. Perhaps this isn't such a good thing... (Score:4, Funny)
Correllation with Lawsuits? (Score:4, Interesting)
Well.... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Well.... (Score:1)
This means several things (Score:2, Interesting)
It also means that the US, despite all their assumptions, are far behind the rest of the world in matters of broandband. France, for instance, you can get a T1 line for values near 50$/month, similar thing in Sweden. Even in Portugal, which is easily in the tail of Europe in terms of broadband, it's now quite hard finding someone still not connected via DSL or Cable. In Estonia, it's in their constitution that
United States 3rd in Internet penetration rate (Score:5, Informative)
The United States is 3rd in total internet penetration rate (68.8%) [internetworldstats.com], only behind Sweden(74.6%) and Hong Kong(72.5%).France, Portugal, and Estonia, aren't even in the top 25.
Pathetic, and by your logic much less informed than USAians. Europeans should be ashamed.
Oh sure. Maybe broadband is cheaper some places. Or more people have it in other places. Big deal. Many Americans seem happy with modems.
1 Sweden 74.6 %
6,722,576
9,010,700
Nielsen//NR Aug./04
2 Hong Kong 72.5 %
4,878,713
6,727,900
Nielsen//NR Aug./04
3 United States 68.8 %
201,661,159
293,271,500
Nielsen//NR Aug./04
4 Iceland 66.6 %
195,000
292,800
ITU - Dec./03
5 Netherlands 66.5 %
10,806,328
16,254,900
Nielsen//NR Aug./04
6 Australia 65.9 %
13,359,821
20,275,700
Nielsen//NR Aug./04
7 Canada 64.2 %
20,450,000
31,846,900
C.I.Almanac - Dec/03
8 Switzerland 63.5 %
4,432,190
7,433,000
Nielsen//NR Aug./04
9 Denmark 62.5 %
3,375,850
5,397,600
Nielsen//NR June/02
10 Korea, (South) 62.4 %
30,670,000
49,131,700
KRNIC - July/04
Re:United States 3rd in Internet penetration rate (Score:5, Insightful)
Moreover, you're confusing "broadband access" with "internet access". You're talking quantity, I'm talking quality. And just so you can see where I'm comming, those 75%ish where you're comparing the US and Sweden... in Sweden you'll be hard pressed to find a non-broadband access - you should give it some further thought.
Read the report U.S. a Generation Behind in High-Speed Broadband [websiteoptimization.com] instead of just reading BBC news.
Re:United States 3rd in Internet penetration rate (Score:1, Offtopic)
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Re:United States 3rd in Internet penetration rate (Score:3, Informative)
Not to mention in this study, internet access at the library counts even if you dont even own a home computer. Internet access at work counts even if you don't own a home computer. Etc.
correction (Score:3, Informative)
Re:United States 3rd in Internet penetration rate (Score:4, Interesting)
The United States is 3rd in total internet penetration rate (68.8%), only behind Sweden(74.6%) and Hong Kong(72.5%).France, Portugal, and Estonia, aren't even in the top 25.
Those stats can't be taken seriously. I live in Finland, and of all the people I know I can only think about a handful who don't use the Internet. I'd say that's maybe one percent of all the people I know. Those people are all over 70.
Pretty much everyone in Finland handles their banking transactions (paying bills etc) solely though the Internet. Physically going to the bank is _rare_. Many people have an Internet connection just for paying bills, but they do indeed use the Internet.
(Sidenote: I've handled two cheques in my whole life, everthing here is handled electronically with inter-bank connections.)
Now, If 99% of the people I know use the Internet, and the study says 50% of the people I know don't use the Internet I'm going to go with my gut. Sure, there's a hell of a large margin of error with a sample of a single person's expecience, but I find it impossible to believe the deviation could be 49% even if my own top-of-the-head approximations are way off.
Jesus, no kidding. (Score:2)
Sean
Re:This means several things (Score:3, Insightful)
I live about 2000 feet from a phone company switching station that's only a decade or so old but only in the past few months has DSL become available (at abou
Re:This means several things (Score:1, Redundant)
Sorry if the original post went too far .
Re:This means several things (Score:5, Insightful)
You can get 1.5MBit/1MBit DSL from Qwest for around $35 a month, including ISP.
They don't use T1s in Europe - it's a US standard, they use E1s.
There's no conspiracy. The facts are clear: the US government hasn't paid to put in the broadband infastructure. It's been the individual companies - Qwest, Verizon, Comcast and others - who have paid for the equipment and labor.
We don't have "super fast" access because no one gives a shit. 95% of Americans probably couldn't tell you what "bandwidth" was - nor would they care. The biggest problem facing broadband adoption is not infastructure or cost, it's the fact that people already have dial-up and they don't see any reason to change.
We have low broadband adoption for the same reason that we drive POS Chevys and eat absolute shit as food - we don't bother to demand a better product.
Re:This means several things (Score:2)
Actually, in France you get 8 Mbps down and 800 Kbps up DSL for 14,90 Euros (20 bucks a month).
Check it there [leneuf.fr].
Re:This means several things (Score:2)
Re:This means several things (Score:2)
Everybody I know has moved from dialup to DSL, although reportedly, there's lots of people w/o a connection at home.
Re:This means several things (Score:2)
Meanwhile.... (Score:3, Insightful)
....there has been a large jump in computers being turned into spam zombies, servers hosting warez, pr0n and other things, and malware installations.
This isn't flamebait, but I notice that a lot of the Joe Average-type of users don't know how to secure their machines. They are usually very ignorant about the Internet. The majority of them don't know what a firewall is, use a browser that resembles swiss cheese (cough*Internet Explorer*cough), and do other dangerous things such as going on any random site to download some spyware-infested game or opening attachments in Outlook.
Combine this ignorance about computers in general with a broadband connection, and they're an attacker's delight. With a broadband connection, most users wouldn't know that somebody is silently doing weird things with their computer, since their Internet connection is so fast, they wouldn't really notice a reduction in speed. Besides, broadband connections are always-on connections, further adding to the user's complete obliviousness to what's going on.
It's kind of sad, because all these users need is a firewall (preferably external), secure browser, and, most importantly, some education. However, the latter approach is really hard to accomplish, and in order for the users to find out about firewalls and secure browsers, they would need to be educated about them, anyways. Maybe we need a commercial that tells the public to install firewalls and install Firefox/Mozilla/Opera/insert-your-favorite-browser -here, and to be actively preventing malware and other nasties from being installed on the computer.
Re:Meanwhile.... (Score:5, Interesting)
Compared to just a couple years ago I would say things are A LOT more secure for a variety of reasons:
Melissa.worm showed corporate america their security is terrible and now its rare for me to see a client running Exchange without Symatec or Trend Micro's realtime scanner.
The wireless/router fad puts everyone behind NAT, thus behind a firewall. The internet is chock full of articles on "how to open ports" because so many technophobes are behind firewalls but want to use P2P or some other app that requires port forwarding.
People are getting *less* ignorant. Its easy to sit upon your FreeBSD high horse and mock everyday users, its a lot harder to help them. And they have been helped. There's a technophile in every family. The number of articles in the media regarding spam, spyware, and viruses is non-trivial. The fact that I can say the word spyware to a stranger and not be asked what that is shows that the message is getting across.
Microsoft is seriously getting into the act. SP2 is godsend for the technophobes out there. Firewall on by default, better IE control, etc. Hell, they even recommend Ad Aware on their own site. [microsoft.com] Their aquisition of Giant can only mean good things in the long run.
That being said, the worst offenders in my experience are computer savvy teens who don't give a shit, not new users. They're savvy enough to get warez and also savvy enough to do that eventual re-install long after they;re so infected its hurting their download rates.
I've been doing some support for college students (for those who live in the dorm) and they're a lot more careful because they have data on there they need and have to put up with University policies regarding proper use. These skills translate over to the workplace pretty easily.
So yeah, its not perfect, but in my experience its getting better, not worse. Sorry, but the internet has yet to collapse because of new users. In fact, more users means more eventual power users and an eventual critical mass where everyone has someone to lean on when they need help with their PC.
Re:Meanwhile.... (Score:3, Interesting)
With all those dire warning articles in the mainstream press, people ARE taking heed of the warnings about Internet security and are installing protection programs as fast as possible. For example, you don't need to pay for that added security: install ZoneAlarm and AVG Antivirus for free to provide real-time protection, and run something like Ad-Aware SE and SpyBot (both are free) once a day to clean out tracking cookies and
Re:Meanwhile.... (Score:2)
IMHO, what these users need is for their "computer" to be a VMWare image running on a blade-server. In a datacenter run by competent administrators, who know what a 'firewall' is, and how to do things like 'virus scans' and 'automated backups'.
What they should have at home is a high-speed graphics terminal, not capable of being 0wnzd or misconfigured, because it has
Obligatory Porn Post (Score:4, Insightful)
"Video-on-demand" my ass.
Re:Obligatory Porn Post (Score:2)
"Video-on-demand" my ass... (Score:2)
it would be even more if... (Score:2)
The thrill is gone. (Score:4, Funny)
Suprise Really? (Score:1)
Re:Suprise Really? (Score:3, Interesting)
Things expand to fill up the space they're given. If a site thinks you have more bandwidth, they'll tend to deliver more bits, even if you don't want those bits.
Re:Suprise Really? (Score:1)
My downloading shoes (Score:3, Insightful)
I've got a broadband connection. It's 3Mbps downstream and 256Kbps upstream. While it is decidedly quicker than a 56k dial-up connection in either direction it is definitely not designed let me serve content at reasonable speeds. Many ports are also blocked at the cable company's head end so I can't use standard service ports (80, 21, etc). I also have to pay an obscene amount of money if I want a static IP address that I can point a DNS entry to.
Some people do have residential broadband that offers saner upstream bandwidth, no port blocking, and free static IPs. Unfortunately this is not the norm here. Most of us either have to pay for hosting or a "business" service package from our broadband provider. In either case we're paying a lot of money for services that ought to be provided for all broadband users.
Comcast offer - $24.99!!!!!!!! (Score:2)
US fears socialism (Score:4, Insightful)
Because the US government refuses to invest in infrastructure. Congress believes the road to Internet growth is best left up to private companies.
I'm definately not for big government, but there are some things only goverment can do. The Internet is a bit like the federal highway system and entrusting its growth to the likes of Comcast and Verizon is a bad idea.
So that explains the slow down (Score:2)
The day after Christmas was dismal.. Felt like we were back on dialup most of the day..
Stupid kids with their stupid games.. Bandwidth wasters.. Nothing more.
Re:So that explains the slow down (Score:2)
Bandwidth wasting 'game play' should be banned. Simple as that.
Opening the network to the public, and commercialism, was its downfall and the beginning of the end for the 'net'.
Re:So that explains the slow down (Score:2)
WORK ( or research ) is not.
Grow up. Get a job.
Can you say "snot nosed kid"? No, I doubt you have enough education.
Who I work for, and how its funded isn't open for public discssion, as none of you here have proper clearance.
End of discussion.
People vs. Homes (Score:2)
Doing some fuzzy math, for a country of 300 million people, that means 10% of the country is connected.. BUT WAIT!!
Connections are to HOMES, not to People, just like TV. There are roughly 95 million TV homes (maybe more these days). So 32 Homes with Broaband means roughly 1/3 of the country or about 100 million people (more than 1 person per home... + all those who "borr
And even more broadband! (Score:2)
"During his 2004 re-election campaign, President George W Bush pledge to ensure that affordable high-speed net access would be available to all Americans by 2007."
The President hopes to have these new Internets online very, very soon. But first, certain rumors will have to be put down.
Re:Might be true (Score:1)
It's significantly cheaper for my parents to drop their second phone line and dialup service and switch to DSL. Equally though it hasn't been available until very recently.
Re:Might be true-V.92 (Score:2)
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Re:Utility of the Internet: Information, not Movie (Score:1)
Pot, meet Kettle (Score:1)
Re:Pot, meet Kettle (Score:1)
But you do have a point. In 1812 the US invaded my country. Only now with the combined powers of Alex Trebeck and Michael J. Fox can we keep America at bay.
Re:Pot, meet Kettle (Score:1)
Re:Utility of the Internet: Information, not Movie (Score:1)
Call me crazy, but I think people could find some other ways to utilize the extra speed (VoIP, distributed/remote computing, and centralized network storage spring to mind). True, the Internet as currently structured does fine without multi-mbps connections to each and every home. Over time, however, the uses to which we put this little (D)ARPA-assigned school project will doubtless change and multiply, mandating an increase in throughput to satisfy these ends.
Re:parent is a troll (Score:1, Troll)
What's so amazing about that? Carl Jung pointed out what we all subconsciously knew all along: People are a walking mass of contradictions (heavily paraphrased, I know, bear with me here). The ability to entertain two contradictatory thoughts at the same time is one of the main things that differentiates the human mind from a computer. I have a friend who gives forth eloquently and logically on any number of geopolitical/social topics, yet still harbors an irrational hatred for France (though I've manage
Re:Are you Chinese? (Score:1, Offtopic)
So you went to shoot people on another continent for the political ideology of your own government. Good for you...big deal. You accomplishments in killing niether fazes me nor elevates you, in fact it shames you.
Now go learn something about being a decent human being. Otherwise, shut up and piss off.
Re:Imminent death of dial-up? (Score:1)
Re:What do you mean "over" in the US? (Score:2, Informative)
BBC = British Broadcasting Corporation = Great Britain.
From the article's perspective, it's talking about broadband usage over here in the US. But they are there. Get it? Good.
Re:So Evidently.. (Score:2)
people can actually get large files D/Led
without corruption. I actually have used
this great technology on a dial-up connection
just because of the ability to re-string
packets into their correct order.
As an abused VERIZON customer, I can tell you
that I DO HAVE *DSL service available to my
home, which I will NOT subscribe to. The
problem is that VERIZON (and most "baby bells")
have made the absolute minimal infrastructure
improvements to the the end-user/residence.
I have
Broadband is now price competitive. (Score:2)
As such, people realize that Comcast Hi-Speed Internet broadband at US$42.95/month isn't so bad, especially when you can download complex web pages in a few seconds and enjoy more or less stutter-free streaming audio and video. Besides, most new computers com