AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release 331
David Doyle writes "Hyperion Entertainment and
the Amiga OS 4.0 development team announced on Amigaworld.net that after nearly 30 months of painstaking development the Amiga OS 4.0 Developer Pre-release has gone gold and will be sent to the duplication plant on Monday, April 19, 2004. The Amiga OS 4.0 Developer Pre-release consists of a current snapshot of AmigaOS 4.0 for the AmigaOne platform with a straightforward HTML installation guide in English, German, French and Italian as well as the Amiga OS 4.0 SDK. The Amiga OS 4.0 SDK will allow near effortless migration of existing Amiga OS 3.x source-code to OS 4.0 as well as the creation of altogether new content. Full
announcement and Amiga OS4 SDK feature list."
Good timing (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Good timing (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Good timing (Score:3, Interesting)
Mac-on-Linux-on-Mac (Score:3, Informative)
Amiga's 'Sixth Sense' (Score:5, Funny)
Aren't the dead always the last to realize that they're actually dead?
Do Amiga users ever find it, well,... strange that sometimes people in a crowd will walk right up to them and then right through them?
Or are they too busy thinking up new features for the next operating system?
Re:Good timing (Score:5, Informative)
As long as you ignore the OSs AmigaOS 3.5, AmigaOS 3.9 and MorphOS; the OS/emulator Amithlon; the PPC motherboards Pegasos and Pegasos II, yep there's been none at all.
How many failed Amiga Resurrection Projects have there been? 6 or so?
Who cares how many failed ones there have been - it's the non-vaporware ones that are important. There were plenty of delays (Copeland? Rhapsody?) before Apple finally moved to OS X. Anyone can make a vapor announcement, I don't see why the fact that various PC companies were hopeless with doing anything with the Amiga should detract from what other people manage to do.
Re:Good timing (Score:3, Informative)
Re:In other news... (Score:2)
Re:AmigaOS (Score:3, Interesting)
Coding: Hisoft Devpac Assembler, Aztec C, SAS/C, Storm C, Hisoft C, Hisoft pascal, AMOS and Microsoft Amiga Basic(!).
Creating art/gfx: Digital Creation's Brilliance, Deluxe paint [emucamp.com], Real 3D [phnet.fi], Imagine 3D [3dcafestore.com] and Lightwave [newtek.com].
Creating Music: Soundtracker [soundtracker.org], Noisetracker, Startrekker, Protracker, MED, OctaMED, Bars and Pipes, Super Jam [amigau.com], etc.
Desktop Publishing: Pagestream [grasshopperllc.com], Professional page.
Text editing / Word pr
30 months... (Score:5, Funny)
Now (Score:2)
Re:Now (Score:2)
Amiga Inc.
Re:Now (Score:5, Informative)
Since there won't be any more Amigas, AmigaOS will run on old Amigas (with old PPC expansion boards) and third party hardware. The first hardware to be supported are the Teron CX (discontinued), Teron PX and Teron Mini motherboards designed by Mai Logic [mai.com].
Amiga, Inc. got "consultation" from the UK computer shop Eyetech [eyetech.co.uk] to decide that we should still have to pretend that there is "Amiga hardware [8bit.co.uk]". I.e. in order for AmigaOS to run on (be ported to) a piece of hardware, that hardware must be sold on a separated "Amiga market" by a distributor with a licence from Amiga, Inc. AmigaOS will not be available for sale, except as in a bundle with licensed hardware (and later on for those ancient PPC-equipped Amigas).
Only Eyetech have been granted such a license, and are now (well, since two(?) years) selling the Teron boards mentioned above with an extra 60% on the price as "AmigaOne SE", "AmigaOne PX", and "Micro AmigaOne", respectively.
Thereby suitable Macs (otherwise a pretty damn obvious target for a PPC "consumer" OS), Terons sold by anybody else regardless of trademarks, Pegasoses, and whatever you could possibly think of in the future, are all out of the question by default. No licence/licencee, no new hardware base for AmigaOS.
Seehund, you troll you (Score:2, Informative)
I know you don't like the "exclusive hardware" concept and that is fair enough, but you've told a few lies in this post that counts as going so far as trolling.
1. Only Eyetech have been granted such a license
Eyetech is the only one who applied for a license. It's a support and anti-piracy measure; if you don't like that, then fine. Hyperion/Amiga, Inc. have stated repeatedly that there is no reason why a 3rd party PPC mfg. cannot apply for an OEM AmigaOS4 license. Some have said that piracy
Re:Seehund, you troll you (Score:2, Troll)
Which, if it were true, would serve as yet another excellent illustration of how retarded the compulsory licensing idea is. But it's not true. There's been one more (w00t!) interested distributor. Bigger, better, cheaper, more competent than Eyetech. They suddenly stopped getting replies from AInc. Ask "T_Bone" if you don't know what I'm talking about.
It's a support and anti-piracy measure
Both AInc's illogical and transparent "anti piracy" and "su
Re:Now (Score:3, Insightful)
Also any hardware company can nego
Re:Now (Score:2)
Re:Now (Score:2)
Amiga (as in what Amiga Inc like to refer to themselves as) could finally be even formally and legally dead now for all we know, and nobody cares.
But AmigaOS 4 has a chance to not be stillborn, if only the powers that be would quit pretending that there's a valid reason for "Amiga hardware" in this day and age.
Re:Now (Score:5, Insightful)
Without hardware, they're just a trademark (and marginal OS software) company, of which there have been multitudes, all now dead, or at least out of those businesses.
The real trouble is, that for a 3rd platform to be at all viable, it would have had to have mostly continuously been available and evolving. With a what, decade long gap there, what's the point?
The OS has little in common with its namesake, the hardware even less. Hell, if they had even just included an amiga-compatible floppy controller on these mainboards, able to read the old media (if for no other reason than shits and giggles), they could have at least claimed some kind of heritage with real amigas, albeit a token one. But they didn't. And there sure as hell isn't a ZorroII slot on the thing.
Now, before all you zealots start ragging me about wanting obselete hardware, I don't. A new amiga shouldn't be using recovered 680x0's. There should be PCI slots, and hdb15 video ports, not abominable db23s. No quadrature mouses, give me standard USB. (But also sell a USB keyboard with Amiga "A" keys, and not make me use one with windows keycaps) But c'mon, a single ZorroII slot inline with the PCI? The bridge logic would fit in a single, cheap FPGA. Hell, just for one generation, so there could be some kind of continuity. Or like I said earlier, even just a floppy controller.
The new "AmigaOne" is no different than any PPC sbc, nor any cheaper. Some Amiga fanatics would buy Amiga-branded toilets, if McEwen sold them, and would tell everyone theyre the best computer in the world. Just slapping their legal trademark on the damn things doesn't make it an amiga in any true sense of what the computers used to be.
Re:Now (Score:2, Insightful)
Backwards compatibility, source code compatibility, based on the same source code I believe, runs Workbench, similar look-and-feel, yep little in common. Meanwhile, "MacOS" and "Windows" are names which have got used for two and three entirely different OSs respectively (well, in Windows' case, I don't think the original Windows series even counts as an OS in itself, more of a GUI for DOS?), but no one complains.
But c'mon, a single ZorroII slot inline with th
Re:Now (Score:2)
No, but you did get those things. There were a few PPC macs with nubus, and PCs had 1 or 2 token slots on up until just a few years ago. Never having had the equivalent on this "new amiga", I hesitate to call it an amiga at all.
than to pay the increased cost for a motherboard that has a Zorro slot.
Given the geometries of standard motherboards, they have the board space to do it already. The chip cost would be truly minimal (thin
Re:Now (Score:2)
And don't you see the gap in continuity here? I can't even tell you the last mac with nubus, or the last dell with ISA.... it blended from one to the next. With the 10 year gap in hardware, and the last ZorroII machine on the other side of that gap, no "blending" is going on here.
And ZorroI
Re:Now (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Now (Score:2, Funny)
[Bitchslap] Ow...!
More on AmigaOs4... (Score:5, Informative)
Re: (Score:3, Funny)
Re:More on AmigaOs4... (Score:5, Funny)
You mean distract you with things like applications?
Re:More on AmigaOs4... (Score:2)
Re:WOW! (Score:2)
The real problem is usability. I think it would be a nightmare.
What is this? (Score:5, Interesting)
I am familiar with the old Amiga, and all the cool things it could do long before anyone else. I had a couple friends that swore they were the greatest thing ever, but I never really used one (I was an Apple ][e user). There are frequent announcements about new Amiga stuff... but in today's computing world, I'm not sure what that means.
- Is this a standalone OS, or a modified Linux / BSD system?
- Does it run on Amiga hardware, PowerPC, x86, or something else?
- It is compatible with the old Amiga software, API's, etc?
- What is the compelling reason for this to exist? What does it do better than all the other options available?
Re:What is this? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:What is this? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:What is this? (Score:5, Informative)
It's a standalone OS, which runs on the new AmigaOne [eyetech.co.uk] motherboards and is currently being worked on, to work with the older dual CPU (68k&PPC) add-on cards by phase5. (One of which, I have in my Amiga 1200)
The whole of AmigaOS and Exec (kernel) have basically been overhauled and modernised and given memory protection (which will work with new OS4 native programs that make use of it) and can be turned off for OS3.x compatibility. Not to mention a new file system, virtual memory and everything else a modern OS should have. (without needing a shutdown procedure)
68k programs are emulated via a JIT emulation system, to be fully integrated into the OS itself, so "classic" retargettable programs such as Wordworth, Final Writer etc all work without problems, at super-fast speeds
As for a reason for it to exist, AmigaOS is an OS of such efficient nature, I've been using it for years on this "old" hardware of mine. If it's fast on a 25mhz 68040, what do you think it's like on an 800mhz G4? That's just one reason...it does what you want it to do, and it runs circles around anything else I've used.
http://os.amiga.com [amiga.com] for more info and features. And the url provided in the topic too, of course
AmigaOS4 is going to rock
Re:What is this? (Score:2)
Think computing... circa 1987.
(YES! I own an Amiga... No flames please.)
Re:What is this? (Score:3, Insightful)
The only analogue
Re:What is this? (Score:4, Informative)
Standalone. It's a direct update to AmigaOS 3.x.
- Does it run on Amiga hardware, PowerPC, x86, or something else?
It's for PowerPC. It's initial target are the current Teron series by Mai Logic (a.k.a. "AmigaOnes" when sold with a new trademark licence by the only distributor that AmigaOS4 users are allowed to buy their hardware from).
See this post [slashdot.org] and this introduction [8bit.co.uk] for more info (and opinion).
It will also be available for old Amiga 3000/4000 computers if they've got Cyberstorm PPC accelerator boards.
- It is compatible with the old Amiga software, API's, etc?
Yes. It will have a JIT 68k-emulator integrated too (think of when the Macs and MacOS went 68k to PPC). Most system friendly software is said to run fine. If your old software bangs the metal (depends on Amiga hardware) it's not likely to run, however.
- What is the compelling reason for this to exist? What does it do better than all the other options available?
What's the compelling reason for any OS besides Windows to exist?
Sadly Amiga Inc/Eyetech have killed any chances for AmigaOS4 by throwing a definitive and unnecessary stumbling block as their "Amiga hardware market" invention on the race track, but that's just a business decision that's easily revoked with a stroke of a pen. It has to be.
Re:What is this? (Score:2)
Re:What is this? (Score:2)
Personally I'm all for non-x86 platforms (which I think fundamentally suck), but I'm not sure that PowerPC is the way to go. ColdFire chips are an almost M68k compatible RISC chip (nice for old-school assembley code
Multimedia (Score:2)
Re:Multimedia (Score:2)
No, it's an all new (well, updated and ported to PPC) operating system we're talking about. There is no new Amiga.
But, what about the new hardware? Does it have capabilities as advanced when compared to PC hardware today? I doubt it.
The only motherboard that's sold under an "Amiga licence" today is basically a series of PC motherboards of ca 1999 standard, but with a PowerPC CPU. PC133 SDRAM, VIA 82C686B southbridge (think KT133 era), "almost-2x" AG
That's nice, but... (Score:2, Insightful)
I'm not making fun of anyone here, and I seriously would like to know; I've always been hearing about Amiga this and Amiga that here on Slashdot every once in a while, and doing a little sniffing around on the web there appears to be a pretty active Amiga community. Also, they're still developing the operating system, so there still must be Amigas, right? Right?
Well, that's what I was hoping, but after doing some heavy searching on google I haven't been able to
Re:That's nice, but... (Score:3, Insightful)
Not terribly useful to old-school Amiga fans? (Score:4, Interesting)
Well, that's great. So, in other words, they can play their old Amiga games on it... if they can convince the makers to come out of retirement and port them. Or they can run their wonderful old Amiga graphics manipulation apps... if they can convince the makers to come out of retirement and port them. Or
This is going to really really upset the old-school Amiga fans. For all intents and purposes, it isn't AmigaOS at all!
It is as if the Linux kernel received no updates at all for ten years after 2.8 was finished... then suddenly, wow, "Linux 3.0" was announced! But it said that it wouldn't run old apps compiled under Linux 2.x-- oh, but it "would make it trivial to port apps originally coded for Linux 2.x". By which time, of course, none of said source code would even be in general circulation...
How the heck can they call this "AmigaOS" if it has essentially ZERO backwards-compatibility with previous AmigaOSes? Jesus. This is worse than those non-commercial/FOSS efforts to create a "new AmigaOS". I could have sworn one of them can at least run old AmigaOS apps, if only in emulation...
The LEAST they could have done was provide a "Classic AmigaOS layer", like what Apple did with Mac OS X to allow it to run "Classic" (pre-X) Mac OS apps...
Re:Not terribly useful to old-school Amiga fans? (Score:2)
Btw, such a "phase out" of support for 2.x applications would likely be unacceptable -now-, let alone in 10 years. That's an MS approach to software - phase out the old software's support so we can sell more.
using really cool Atari ST programs (Score:2)
Atari ST is was a 'cousin' computer popular at the same time (about 15 years ago) as the original Amiga.
It is a powerful sys-ex voice editor for an obscure but magically powerful tone module music synthesizer that I found on Ebay for peanuts.
It only runs through an advanced emulator program that allows old but useful programs for the Atari ST to be run on modern PCs. It's the STeem emulator. Kudos to the people who
Re:using really cool Atari ST programs (Score:2, Informative)
Or you can get everything legally from Cloanto Software for $60 or so, in the new Amiga Forever 6.0 software package that includes lots of software, the latest 68k OS version (3.9), and so on.
Re:using really cool Atari ST programs (Score:2)
They include a Live CD that boots a Linux distro and automatically runs aranym, which I've yet to burn and test
Re:Not terribly useful to old-school Amiga fans? (Score:4, Interesting)
No they can't. Even if they had access to source, all games were written in assembly and directly hit the hardware (the famous blitter and copper), most of them didn't even use the filesystem and had a custom trackloader on-disk. Even if the AmigaOS was quite good, directly programming the Amiga hardware was a joy and was really the preferred way of coding. Aaah, those were the days ...
Not entirely correct... (Score:2)
Good example of this is Quake and Quake 2 on AmigaDOS - both use standard libs:
Re:Not terribly useful to old-school Amiga fans? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Not terribly useful to old-school Amiga fans? (Score:2)
A more workable, and highly likely solutions, is the integration of AmigaForever into a point release of OS 4. I've heard some talk that this is in the works.
Jesus Christ! (Score:4, Funny)
Evil Man
I'm still angry... (Score:2)
And how they ignored it as a problem, and how the update that should have had the fix mainly appeared to contain christmasy animgifs.
Who uses Amigas? (Score:3, Insightful)
Who uses amigas nowadays? People nostalgically playing old games? Is it kick-ass for music or something?
Is AmigaOS designed for modern hardware, and can you do everything with it that you can with other systems?
I see there are a few similar questioning posts. Everyone seems to be like, "Oh, cool, but why..?"
Re:Who uses Amigas? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Who uses Amigas? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Who uses Amigas? (Score:2)
Re:Who uses Amigas? (Score:2)
Re:Who uses Amigas? (Score:2, Informative)
duplication (Score:3, Funny)
seriously, isn't a hardcopy a bit ridic here ? They barely sell a copy, so better not waste cash on duplication and offer a download instead.
Re:duplication (Score:3, Informative)
If they were worried about no one buying it, don't you think that the duplication cost is going to be rather insignificant compared to years of development costs?
Re:duplication (Score:2)
Amiga (Score:2)
http://computermuseum.50megs.com/images/collect
Today?
let it lie! (Score:5, Interesting)
I would love to see AmigaOS succeed in the marketplace again like it once did. But even this new release visually looks very poor and dated. In all honesty they should just open up the source instead of flogging a dead horse. AmigaOS will always live on as a hobbyist OS things like AROS WinUAE and whatever else will see to this. But I really dont think a proprietary OS stands a chance in this world any more. I really cant see Amiga succeeding with their wildest dreams using the closed business model.
Amiga OS still has a warm place in many peoples hearts but not this way. The kindest thing to do is open up the source to the community.
Dont get me wrong though, I wish them all the luck; prove me wrong please do. But id rather see it go the way BeOS did!
nick
Re:let it lie! (Score:2, Interesting)
As I recall, a lot of the efficiency of the OS had to do with its shared architecture, which used several chips to do the work that Apple and PC computers did with the single CPU. I don't see how that kind of efficiency could translate into our modern architec
Re:let it lie! (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:let it lie! (Score:2)
The reason that I beleive that it would be a good thing to open source the operating sy
serious question... (Score:3, Interesting)
But why would anyone waste their time on AmigaOS these days? Ya, it was way cool when Apple II's roamed the earth and whatnot....but why does anyone really care about it now?
Did I miss the boat? Help me understand why anyone cares about this, let alone why it qualifies as
Can someone help me understand why this platform is still getting development effort? Please!
To me (Score:2)
Re:To me (Score:2)
So your argument is that you think AmigaOS has a future? Beyond that of mere geekdom and minimal hobbiest interest? Accordingly, in your opinion, it has a grand future, the general population is interested in hearing of its advances? Forgive me for placing words into your mouth. I'm just trying to follow the logic. Please feel free to correct me as needed.
Do you have any logic, beyond best wishes, to suppose that AmigaOS has any r
Re:serious question... (Score:2)
Here you have it. The business model of Hyperion is now obvious - cater to retro crowd who likes to pay for old memories :-)
Seriously, though, this release (as well as the OS *and* the hardware) seems to be utterly useless because it does not solve any problem that would be solved by other, more efficient and more convenient, means. Aside from the "old
Re:serious question... (Score:2)
It's called sarcasm. It means, I have a hard time picturing more than a very small number of people actually using this. Thusly, the rest of the paragraph, which you did not quote. Humor can be had without it being considered a troll.
Interesting. Thanks.
Re:serious question... (Score:2)
Re:serious question... (Score:2)
I guess in response, I can only say that I don't consider comparing it to Linux to be the same thing. Linux's plight was/is to offer an alternate, yet free, Unix implementation. AmigoOS? A gateway to the past? Seriously, I don't think comparing the two works very well. Right off the bat, I have a hard time imagining AmigaOS ever reaching any type of critical mass a
Re:serious question... (Score:2)
Thanks again.
Re:serious question... (Score:2)
It doesn't exactly take many brain cells to understand why such a question was asked. In other words, pretty much everyone that reads
Reading the rest of your post, it's obvious that either you are a troll or an absolute moron.
Re:serious question... (Score:2)
Just the same, does it make sense to use it today? Compared to low-cost modern technology, does it still justify its use today?
I hate to say it, but what has it done for me lately?
Shows how much you lot know (Score:3, Informative)
Firstly, Amiga have been continuing development for a long time. They realsed OS 3.9 a few years ago, this time it was actually them (OS 3.5 was written by somebody else). They've also been developing an embedded technology called Amiga DE which is already in use in several mobile phone units (cellphones for those Americans).
Amiga OS 4.0 is designed to run on a new computer, called the AmigaOne. This is a new motherboard designed by the UK company Eyetech, to which you can attach your A1200 motherboard for running older programs natviely, should you want to. Yes, that's right - the A1200 motherboard becomes the AmigaOne's daughterboard.
The computer is based on the PPC architecture, I believe with G3 or G4 processors. There have been add-ons for the A1200 motherboard which add G3 processors for a while now, but these were expensive and pointless.
As for software and games, there are several developers still producing software and many excellent games too (a recent one which springs to mind is Nightlong, a very graphics heavy point-and-click adventure, like Broken Sword 3).
Many of these use the PPC CPUs available for the Amiga, and also many ofthe graphics cards too.
The Amiga still lives, and it's not gonna die without a fight.
Re:Shows how much you lot know (Score:2, Insightful)
Kind of reminds me of that knight in Monty Python and the Holy Grail. The one that keeps taunting the King even as his limbs are being hacked off. Yeah, Amiga won't die. :P
Pity they didn't do something interesting 15 years ago when it might have mattered. I really liked my 2000. :(
Re:Shows how much you lot know (Score:3, Interesting)
Amiga Inc. (not "Amiga", that's a dead computer platform) have had nothing to do with developing AmigaOS 3.5/9. Thank Haage & Partner instead.
"AmigaOne" is not a new computer. It's a trademark owned and used by one distributor (Eyetech) to sell Mai Logic's Teron series motherboards. They've been trying to sell these for two years now (but the Teron CX model first appeared in 2001, later a.k.a. "AmigaOne SE").
"AmigaOne" once was the name of a project for a new Amiga, m
Re:Shows how much you lot know (Score:2)
Um, maybe not you but I'm sure it would surprise pretty much everyone else. The BSD world isn't small, it's just a lot less rabid ;)
With a handful of developers and next to no investment I'm not surprised it's b
Re:Shows how much you lot know (Score:3, Funny)
Boy, that truly is a scary thought. [dawnofthedeadmovie.net]
Re:Shows how much you lot know (Score:2)
Everyone knows that AmigaOS wont over take linux or windows, at least not in the short term, but it can hold its own. It does have a user base, it does have updated hardware and software, and it does have a pretty
ram disk (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:ram disk (Score:3, Informative)
Here is one I use. [arsoft-online.de]
I use it with my HTPC to cache a few files that my LCD driver wants to read 30 times a second, so instead of hitting the physical disk, I just set up a 32MB drive 'L', and have a perl script dump data to that.
It works great!
to moderate or to reply??? that is the question... (Score:4, Interesting)
The Amiga OS has well earned its stigma of being in troubled waters. Even the company where the original creators came to create the AmigaOS had money problems that caused them to seel it to commodore, who went bankrupt and sold to ESCOM, who went bankrupt and it was sold to Gateway, who couldn't figure out what to do with it so that sold everything except the Amiga Patents to former Gateway marketeers, who sold a bunch of t-shirts and never delivered and were evicted from their building..... who has now stated they sold the AmigaOS to KMOS after in a lawsuit against them they owned it at a time they did not....
The scamming is deep and the troubled waters as well....
For the proprietary AmigaOS to make a comeback it will have to overcome the extreamly long running stigma of its troubled waters..... and since i8t didn'yt come easy or over nite, neither shall its removal of this stigma curse.
However, there is www.aros.org which is well along the way to cloning the AmigaOS 3.1 as FOSS software, where it is inherently without the need for those who have caused AmigaOS troubled waters..
I really hope this post is found to be informative/interesting as it the reality of the scope of AmigaOS history.
Would you buy a car or brand name that had such a questionable history of continuing at a consumer respectable level?
Re:Your biased logic is messed (Score:2)
AROS is a clean FOSS development/production intended to be portable. Where the AOS3.1 compatability will be reached and the next branch of development taken up that will go in a direction that the FOSS developers move it, perhaps with a little incentive from bounty paying contributors/sponsors.
Really no diffe
Companies which still use Amigas? (Score:2)
What Is The Purpose of Having Amigas Anymore? (Score:2, Redundant)
Totally the opposite now, though. Other computers have had all that stuff for at least ten years. So what's the "raison d'etre" for Amigas, now? Is there anything that the AmigaOS does better than other OSs?
I'm
Re:What Is The Purpose of Having Amigas Anymore? (Score:3, Insightful)
I dunno, choice, maybe?
Because it is being offered and some people perceive it as better value than other offerings?
As long as they have willing, paying customers, I say more power to them.
In a car analogy, why would anybody want to drive anything but
Re:What Is The Purpose of Having Amigas Anymore? (Score:3, Interesting)
I'm not saying that there shouldn't be choice - I'd love to see more choices on the market, as well as cheap PowerPC hardware, like I said. But it's also a marketplace reality that you need to do *something* better than others in order to stand out, and for the life of me I can't figure out what on Earth Amiga suppo
Shame Eyetech is the monopoly hardware supplier (Score:2, Informative)
IMO, AOS 4.0 is dead if the only way to run it is to deal with that company. Perhaps others have had better experiences, but for obvious reasons, I'm unable to recommend them at all.
Re:Shame Eyetech is the monopoly hardware supplier (Score:2)
Great I have been waiting for AmigaOS 4.0 (Score:2)
I cannot wait until the Mozilla, OpenOffice.org, GNUCash, Evolution, Apache, and other open source projects are converted to run on AmigaOS 4.0, yeah!
Finally, maybe now us Amiga users can start to get more respect than the OS/2, Plan9, DR-DOS, CP/M, A/UX, Desqview, Xenix, OS9 (Not MacOS 9, that 6809 based OS that the Radio Shack Coco series ran), and GEM users have gotten. >:)
Of cour
Full text (Score:2, Informative)
Fascinating project, if I may say so myself.
Re:Gone gold? (Score:3, Interesting)
Something along those lines, anyway.
Re:Source Code Theft? (Score:2, Informative)
In addition, their modifications to GCC are already submitted to the main branch and will be included in the next release candidate.
Hardly "GPL Infringement", more like making full use of a resource in a legal and honourable manner, much in the same way that Apple use GCC as well.
Re:Confused, Perflexed, Flumoxxed (Score:2)
Re:Why I use my Amigas (Score:2)
But yet you post as an Anonymous Coward???
Re:Great. Then what? (Score:2)
Well, it did die with dignity.
But there are those that can't leave the dead alone. [amazon.com]