Slashback: Pliancy, Antennae, Gobe 232
Go be something! Simon Gauvin writes "As a follow up to your article on Gobe Productive, beunited.org is setting up a donation site to allow people to donate for the purchase of the source to make it open. You can check out the comments here. And our announcement on our main page."
Thinner is better. Factomatic writes "The The New York Times reports that a new polymer by Xerox can be used to make organic transistors on a plastic substrate, which can then be used to inexpensively make light, flexible flat-panel displays for computers, laptops and mobile phones. The material, polythiophene, has achieved performance on electronics benchmarks that is an order of magnitude greater than current polymer materials. It would be used in a new manufacturing process that Xerox is experimenting with to imprint circuits using inkjets." You may remember this story about a company called Rolltronics' research into printable circuitry.
What about reviving The A-Team? Julio Ojeda-Zapata points to his Update: 12/10 01:25 GMT by T : [Errr, not "her" -- sorry about that.] "in-depth article on the Save Farscape movement. Though I have an obvious bias, I believe this is the most comprehensive article on the subject you'll find anywhere. Predictably, I've been deluged by mail from Scapers. I can't say I wasn't warned about that :-)"
Soon, every Thomas Aquinas, Dickinson and Harvard will have one of their own ... Amadaeus writes with news of another all-campus wireless blanketing. "The new University of Ontario Institute of Technology is offering new students an IBM laptop, included with tuition, that is wired with 802.11b access. The reason behind that is the entire campus (read: cafeterias, stairwells, washrooms, "special areas") is covered with the university wireless network hubs. In fact, the university campus itself is designed with charging outlets for every seat in the classroom and ergonomic seating for computer usage for all students.
Either they're trying to improve wireless education or promote in-class LAN parties and all-night wireless hack-o-thons, UOIT is on the right track to some sort of wireless educational future."
Wireless Weapons: A mini-Howitzer or a Liberator. We've run several stories on 802.11 antenna projects that require more time, more esoteric parts, or a bigger budget, and some that don't take much at all. Daniel Marsh writes with another one in this last category: "If you thought Pringles were fun, check out the Cookie Cantenna. Several have been built and tested by Seattle Wireless members and they blow Pringles cans out of the water, as well as taste better."
On the other hand, if convenience is more importance than raw power, you might find this commercialized alternative attractive. The Cantenna is inexpensive (19.95 by itself, plus the cost of a pigtail) and means you don't have to touch a soldering iron, glue, or anything besides a shipping container.
All I want for Christmas (Score:4, Funny)
Re:All I want for Christmas (Score:3, Funny)
Re:All I want for Christmas (Score:2)
Why on Earth would you want that?
Seven nights of Chanukah means seven times as many presents!
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The A-Team, for all you kids (Score:5, Funny)
Somebody's gonna get tossed, sucka! (Score:2)
Re:Somebody's gonna get tossed, sucka! (Score:2)
I guess your theory of sigs is inconsistent.
Re:What's the protocol? (Score:2, Funny)
Re:What's the protocol? (Score:2)
<<insert screenful of laserfire with nothing getting hit except vehicles and electronics>>
Re:What's the protocol? (Score:2, Informative)
Hannibal liked to act in monster flicks. Remember the opening scene when he's in the lizard costume [ateamshrine.co.uk]?
There were a couple episodes that centered around Universal Studios, where Hannibal had some ridiculous role in a movie.
Re:The A-Team, for all you kids (Score:2)
No, they survive in reruns.
No, even in reruns they died.
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antennae are for bugs! (Score:3, Informative)
Re:antennae are for bugs! (Score:2, Interesting)
wireless (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:wireless (Score:5, Informative)
It'd be nice not to have limitations. As is, netpd and the annoying letters from the MPAA are just jokes, but the upstream pipe we have is a reality that needs to be managed.
Dangerous! (Score:5, Funny)
But then you would be aiding and abetting terrorism (per FBI)! [slashdot.org]
Holy crap... (Score:2)
Re:Holy crap... (Score:2, Informative)
You're not thinking big enough! (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:You're not thinking big enough! (Score:2, Interesting)
Sweet Jesus, I didnt think of it till you said that but can you imagine quake3 wrapped around your entire room...or at least one wall. That and some surround sound speakers.........
Re:You're not thinking big enough! (Score:2, Funny)
Re:You're not thinking big enough! (Score:5, Funny)
Think about your audience here... were the typical
Think Bigger (Score:3, Insightful)
My pick for renewable energy is plastic solar cells. Preferrably, cheap ones rolled out like those tarps that cover baseball fields.
The U.S. currently uses about 100 exajoules of energy per year (combined total of oil, gas, nuclear, coal, hydro, etc); that's approximately a continuous 10KW for each person. The good news is that the sun provides 1KW per square meter energy, but the bad news is you'd be doing good to get a 1% overall efficiency delivered to the end user (due to cell efficency, solar system geometry, weather, storage and conversion losses.) Assuming 1%, you'd need 1000 square meters of cheap plastic seimiconductors for each person to provide for 100% of our energy needs.
To get to 1% overall efficiency, plastic solar collector efficiency will have to be significantly improved to be near the 20% raw efficiency currently achieved by good silicon solar cells. To me, that's a lot more intersting goal than a cheap display.
Re:You're not thinking big enough! (Score:2)
wirelss everywhere (Score:3, Interesting)
What's even better is that anyone with airsnort and a laptop or ipaq can get free wireless access nearly anywhere in town with Costco selling $100 basestations. heheh
Dude, You're In *Alaska* (Score:5, Funny)
You're in Alaska! Slap a single 802.11b Linksys Router on the network and the entire town is set!
I don't think that's a fair comparison...
:)
Re:Dude, You're In *Alaska* (Score:2)
Alaska is about the size of half of the contiguous 48 states, while being occupied by about as many people as can be shoved into a volkswagen.
Re:Dude, You're In *Alaska* (Score:2)
Would that be with the glove compartment open or closed?
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Re:Dude, You're In *Alaska* (Score:2)
Me and timothy, down by the school yard... (Score:2, Insightful)
Um, are you guys sure Julio isn't a guy?
Re:Me and timothy, down by the school yard... (Score:2, Insightful)
"Sexy" Antenna design! (Score:5, Funny)
"1 - chasis mount female N connector, preferably the type that mounts with a single large nut."
I know I should just grow up and get over it, but that kind of talk just excites me!
Re:"Sexy" Antenna design! (Score:2)
hehe ahehe, yeah and he said female +1
whohoaoa, he said mount again +1
yeah, and he said nut +1
Re: (Score:3, Funny)
Julio's a guy (Score:2)
Re:Julio's a guy (Score:2, Funny)
Great... (Score:5, Insightful)
"which can then be used to inexpensively make light, flexible flat-panel displays for computers, laptops and mobile phones. The material, polythiophene, has achieved performance on electronics benchmarks that is an order of magnitude greater than current polymer materials."
Re:Great... (Score:5, Funny)
We are talking about Xerox
This is great news! This means that everyone will be selling this stuff in a few years. (except Xerox of course)
Re:Great... (Score:2)
Re:Great... (Score:2)
Wireless university (Score:2)
I'm still waiting for my free laptop. :)
Come to UCSD (Score:2)
-B
Re:Come to UCSD (Score:2)
your sig wastes a process...
dd if=/dev/urandom of=$HOME/.sig -bs=120 -count=1
Hmm, is your sig opensource? Hmm, I may have that to license that as LGPL...
Farscapers... (Score:5, Insightful)
Seriously, we will only be taken seriously if we come up with a better handle than "Scapers" -- which sounds like something halfway between scapies and scalpers. Seriously.
Even Trekkies or, for those with savoir-faire, Trekkers, was better.
I am very impressed by the Farscape insurgency. You didn't see this when they took "Three's Company" off the air. Stand up for what you believe in, even if it is only frelling television.
Re:Farscapers... (Score:2)
Hereforth thou shalt be known as the Far-sci, pronounced 'Far-see' and therefore a clever pun on Sci-Fi, far sightedness, Farscape, and of course the Persian language of Farsi
Re:Farscapers... (Score:3, Interesting)
And Farscape is not the only show that may be leaving for good. There is also talk of cancelling Firefly [fox.com] on FOX. I find it somewhat depressing that we finally get two creative and innovative sci-fi shows, and both are squashed. Both actions are blaimed on "lack of ratings", but what do you expect when putting a show on on a Friday night. Only nerds have time on Friday... er, oh right. I'm posting this on Slashdot...
Anyway, I wish more people knew about these two shows because they are far more intelligently written and produced than 90% of the junk that's on TV the rest of the week. Are these shows too intelligent for the average viewer, or is it the sci-fi image that pushes people away? Or is it simply the strange times that these shows are offered (anyone remember Babylon 5 at 11:30 pm if you were lucky)? When will sci-fi get its fair share of good time slots? Will sci-fi ever be considered as or more valuable than the rehashed sitcoms we have today?
Re:Farscapers... (Score:2)
No, sci-fi, except maybe Star Trek, is not considered mainstream.
Oh wait
Re:Farscapers... (Score:2, Funny)
Both are incorrect. It is the sci-fi image that shoves people away. Shoving is the answer. I am the pusher robot. PAK CHOOIE UNF.
Re:Farscapers... (Score:2, Interesting)
Huh? what you believe in? Are you kidding? read a book, volunteer at the local library, run for office, join a club -- for god's sake man, disengange yourself, and your opinions/thoughts/beliefs/whatever from your ENTERTAINMENT.
'campaigning' to save a television show is the new low in USAmerican culture - 30% vote (or some sad #) -- but they all have an opinion on Josh and Sally's relationship on Friends.
jesus f'ing christ.
Re:Farscapers... (Score:2)
(OK, I didn't run for office, but that's for the best.)
You should branch out a little, and accept that entertainment is a valid part of our lives. Why should I be passive about it if I am not passive in all the rest?
Before you pseudo-intellectually pontificate more, why don't you at least get your spelling and punctuation under control. And you credulously fail to understand that "stand up for what you believe in" in tongue-in-cheek when it comes to TV. You're making those of us who watch a little TV look pretty darn literate. And who are Josh and Sally, anyway?
Re:Farscapers... (Score:2)
Gee, when I hear "Scaper", I think of the edged tool with which I can remove ice from a car's windshield.
Re:Farscapers... (Score:2)
These people are not charities, you know. Sooner or later, they're going to start secretly writing in "the fan factor" when they pitch new series proposals ("I think we can get most of series 3's production paid for if we put it on hiatus midway through season 2, after this hug three-episode story, and get the fans to send us money").
As long as you're going to be sending your money to a tv network, why not petition PBS stations to show an episode? You might only be able to get them to agree to show it in the event that Sci-Fi or Fox terminates their contracts, but if those networks see that fans are trying to buy the series away, they might reconsider.
Then again, I don't know how big of an expense it would be to buy the national broadcast rights and split it up per station, especially since any station can opt out. But someone should at least punch the numbers up and see if it's a possibility.
Re:Farscapers... (Score:2)
So would I pay a buck an episode for Farscape? Definitely. How much more? I don't know. But the idea of paying is not per se irrational.
Being rational, if "we" did buy an episode (I'm assuming it's inconceivable, but then I also assumed this kind of rebellion would never happen) I would damn well want to know who'd get the rights on the episode (and the answer had better be "those who paid for it"). We can't go from hating the SciFi network to giving them bribes and Christmas presents. Who knows, this could be a good investment opportunity -- an offer you can't refuse. (You did say we scared you.
As for PBS -- I think they're great, though I don't watch them as often as I'd like. NOVA and Frontline were old favorites. But I don't think they'll pick up Farscape! They're already afraid of being laughed at by their sworn enemies who would cut funding, and they don't do the low-brow stuff, yet. Oh wait, TNN has it locked up, between Star Trek reruns, wrestlemania, and that show where they blow up the little toy cars....
More seriously, PBS should stick to things commercial interests might not air, or might contaminate with their influence. Neat idea, though -- it could go from being the Public Broadcasting Service to the Peopl's Broadcasting Service. Oh wait, that sounds communist
I think Farscape has serious revenue-generating possibilities -- especially if they throw in a decent movie adaptation -- but they're not there yet. That's only reason to cancel the series for the short-sighted, visionless, myopic television programming dweebazoids.
Re:Farscapers... (Score:2)
Scapees? (Or the online version - escapees)
Cantenna (Score:5, Funny)
Laptops in College? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Laptops in College? (Score:4, Insightful)
I also went to Rose-Hulman the same year you started. The laptop was great for MUDding in class, but after dropping out due to poor grades from being up all night MUDding and drinking beer and not going to class (bed time), it sure made for an expensive year.
Those things were pretty crappy notebooks that they made us buy anyways. AMS Soundwaves 486DX4100 with 400MB HDs and 12" LCDs. The specs weren't bad, it's just that they fell apart if you looked at them wrong. I'm all for colleges pushing technology, and I hate to say that the notebook was one of the factors I considered when I chose Rose-Hulman, and it turned out to be nothing good for me at all.
The day will come (Score:5, Funny)
Re:The day will come (Score:2)
Re:The day will come (Score:3, Funny)
Thought processes of Universities... (Score:3, Funny)
Step 2:
Step 3: Learn!
Re:Thought processes of Universities... (Score:2)
Step 2: ???
The A-Team (Score:2, Insightful)
Getting out of hand... (Score:5, Funny)
Fortunatly, people are now realizing that only terrorists use 802.11 [slashdot.org], so soon the police will start profiling people seen with cans of pringles and shipping them off to prison.
I know I'll feel much safer... But what will then these terror-hackers be doing? How long until we see a frontpage slashdot story on How I built an 802.11 network using three frozen chickens and a '57 chevy?!?
Re:Getting out of hand... (Score:3, Funny)
Never. MacGyver only posts at K5.
Three Frozen Chickens and a '57 Chevy??? (Score:3, Funny)
(shudder) Man, I do not want to know what you use the Chevy for!!
Re:Three Frozen Chickens and a '57 Chevy??? (Score:2)
It was a bitch to clamp it on to my balcony railing (do you have any idea how much it costs to rent a crane these days?), but now I get wireless net access from up to three states away!
I have also added a custom novelty horn that plays whenever I have new mail.
Re:Getting out of hand... (Score:2)
Never underestimate the bandwidth of a '57 chevy filled with recordable DVD's.
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Here at the University of Hawaii.... (Score:2)
1) low on-campus residency rate. There are too many commuters here, and if your laptop isn't in your dormroom then you're probably going to leave it at home when you commute to school.
2) stupid, incomplete coverage. Some FLOORS of some buildings are covered while other floors are not. The network extends down the central mall (outside) but not into the buildings fronting it, and only covers part of the first floor of the library.
I think this kind of thing can only be useful if it exists as part of a real project to cover the entire campus.
Re:Here at the University of Hawaii.... (Score:2)
So, there ya go. There are probably five dots in the way on those floors. A little cleaning may help.
No midwestern winter bitterness here... (Score:2, Funny)
You mean you have to go outside to access the network? In Hawaii?
The horror!
Help Save Farscape! (Use one of the links below) (Score:3, Informative)
Save Farscape [wdsection.com]r scape [google.com]
Farscape.wdsection.com has moved to www.savefarscape.com.
You will be redirected in 3 seconds.
Description: Headquarters of a fan-based effort to save the show. Includes news and contact information.
Category: Arts>Television>...>ScienceFictionandFantasy>F>Fa
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Save Farscape [savefarscape.com]
... Sci-Fi Network vs. Scapers 12-08-02 - Save Farscape Campaign in the St. Paul Pioneer ... The Save Farscape TV Spot Fan funded, fan produced, TV history. ...
Press,
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SAVE FARSCAPE! [ipetitions.com]
... Update: The Save Farscape Petition is now the first link in the Featured Petitions ... SAVE FARSCAPE! ...
section of ipetitions.com's homepage. Thanks, ipetitions.com!
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SaveFarscapeCentral.com [savefarscapecentral.com] ...
This is the home for #farscape's Save Farscape, Never Say
Die, Cracker's Do Matter, Scapers Unite Not Fight.
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Help Save Farscape! - Farscape World [farscapeworld.com] ... TRANSCRIPT. [CLICK HERE FOR ALL THE LATEST SAVE ...
Help Save Farscape! Note
FARSCAPE NEWS] Click here to read Sci Fi's Cancellation FAQ.
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FarscapeWeekly Farscape CANCELLED [farscapeweekly.com]
... [19:47] <Barbarella> also they'd like an address to write to to try to Save Farscape ...
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Save Farscape! [mac.com]
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have a home at SFX --the Save Farscape fan table!!! We
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Save Our Show: Save Farscape.net [savefarscape.net]
Save Our Show - Save Farscape - links - petitions, information on how to save
our show. This page uses frames, but your browser doesn't support them.
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Save Farscape! [scaper.com]
... Scapers Sanctuary > Save Farscape!! ... Save Farscape Cyber Party: From November 11-17th ...
there will be an on-line convention hosted on the SciFi Farscape BBoard!
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: RevolutionSF - Save Farscape! : Feature [revolutionsf.com] ... WTF? What it's ...
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Re:Help Save Farscape! (Use one of the links below (Score:2)
Re:Help Save Farscape! (Use one of the links below (Score:3, Funny)
I can't seem to get to page 2 of the results.
Are you planning on posting seperate response for each? That's 4679 more pages of results. Oh yeah, and slashdot enforces a minimum delay of 2 minutes between posts, that's 9358 minutes, or 156 hours, or 24.5 days.
Of course, by the time you get done there will be another two or three thousand new results.
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From the 802.11 article: (Score:5, Funny)
How many females do you know that would mount something with one large nut?
Oh, and I'm building this cantena tomorrow. Kewl.
Re:From the 802.11 article: (Score:2)
Re:From the 802.11 article: (Score:2)
Ironic... (Score:5, Insightful)
network != education
Really.
Re:Ironic... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Ironic... (Score:2)
Some bureaucrat wants to show how he's helping bring kids into the 21st century by bringing technology to the schools. No question, that's important! But there needs to be a foundation to build on.
I wish I knew the solution. It seems like the deck is now heavily stacked against the LAUSD by years of corruption, sudden directional changes in the world of education, tax cuts, etc. It's really too bad. That's our future.
Re:Ironic... (Score:2)
Hopefully expensive schoolbooks will be a thing of the past in the near future. See Open CourseWare [mit.edu] for details. Sometimes things just need to be done differently.
By the time I have kids of school-age (maybe 2015?) I expect they won't be using printed texts for much besides reading literature.
Blatant 802.11b homemade antenna self promotion (Score:3, Informative)
It's at this link [adsp.net].
Blatant self promotion over.
Printable displays! (Score:2)
Good thing its in Canada... (Score:3, Funny)
UOIT....why? (Score:2)
Am I the only one that sees this whole UOIT thing as a waste of money? No, not the idea of laptops (seems nice to me), but the whole concept of a new University in Ontario is stupid and shortsighted. In the past few years we've had enough spors at the major Universities for everyone, but they need money to continue to grow and develop new programs.
Based on the timing of this thing, it looks like it's designed to accept the double cohort kids (when two grades come out of high school in the same year, a once-in-a-lifetime thing) - so it will be full for a few years because kids can't go anywhere else, and then we'll have a sinkhole of money in Oshawa...I mean really, who wants to go to school in Oshawa. Kids who want to go to a high-end school will apply to the same places they have always applied - U of T, Queen's, McGill, Western - and kids who don't want something that's offered at one of those schools have plenty of choices as-is.
<RANT>Bottom line is that the sixty million the province is spending on this could be used in a myriad of better places: high-schools, polution cleanup, OHIP...the list goes on. What we DON'T need is another second-rate school in the middle of nowhere. </RANT>
Re:UOIT....why? (Score:2)
Helix antennas for 802.11 (Score:3, Informative)
If you are really into this stuff, check out the Python ASAP code on my site. Rob.
farscape fans are being used, here is how... (Score:3, Informative)
Farscape was removed from the air so they can afford Taken. You can spend all the money you like, but if Taken is a hit, there will be no Farscape.
Now I know what your thinking, they could air both, unfortuantly do to the half ass way sci-fi does there financing, they just can't afford to run both. They would hzve to renegotiate with all there advetisers for more money.
Perhaps if some avertiser said, sure you can charge us twice the amount we contracted for, then it would happen. that ain't going to happen.
Now how are you being used? if taken fails, then farscape will be back, and the execs will spin it that they are just swell people who listen to there viewers.
OTOH, if you can get a campaign to stop people from wating taken, Farscape might be back.
the good news is, you can still go to sci-fi to watch some guys "speak with the dead".
Wireless Weapons??? (Score:2)
Wireless antenna (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Wireless antenna (Score:2)
According to this site [geocities.com] it seems to be Cheese & Chives "a little too strong", followed by CheezeUms "Very strong", and Barbecue "strong".
Note that Salt & Vinegar is Currently Untested.
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Uhm...Cantenna is a registered Trademark I believe (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Uhm...Cantenna is a registered Trademark I beli (Score:2)
Farscape: Evidence of failed content distribution? (Score:5, Interesting)
Of course this is because they aren't selling the show directly; unlike a movie you aren't buying tickets to watch the thing. This reminds me of web services (Yahoo etc) - which also represent (to me) a failed approach, in terms of business model, to distributing content.
Just a random thought.
Re:Farscape: Evidence of failed content distributi (Score:2)
If the TV networks won't carry it, try a different distribution channel!
Q.
What Xerox needs to do (Score:3, Funny)
Re:polythiophene? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:I can see it now! (Score:2, Funny)
Re:I can see it now! (Score:2)
Re:Farscape - "Eye popping special effects" (Score:2)
watch farscape several times and each time I quit
after ~2 minutes. I am wondering the same thing
as the original poster. No offense intended to
anyone, but could someone please enlighten us.
Re:Farscape - "Eye popping special effects" (Score:2)
I am not about to claim that Farscape was the best thing ever on TV, but I will be watching the rest of the fourth season once they start showing it again. Why? Because I happen to like the show. I am disapointed that the Skiffy channel is dropping the series. Then again look at the company they keep.
I agree that "decent" science fiction needs to be produced and distributed. There are three ways that it can be done, and none look likely in the near future. Farscape, regardless of the flaws you and some others percieve to exist, has been better entertainment than most of the rest of the drivel on tv.
If 90% of everything is crap, then for you to hold a valid opinion on whether or not something is crap, you will have to watch better than 90% of the series to really hold an opinion you can espouse.
There are three ways to promote good programming on TV. Fan mail to the people showing the series is the least. I happen to consider offers to pay for one of the episodes out of a season to be just that. Fan mail.
The second way is to find out who is paying for the series, and let them know you appreciate it. The people paying for the series are not the broadcasters. It is the advertizers. With Tivo, ReplayTV, and other PVR systems, finding out who paid for the series, and who paid for local advertizing space in the series should be reasonably easy, though it is just as easy to skip the ads. These are the people you want to make aware that you appreciate the fact they took the risk of paying for good programming.
The third way is to make sure that the producers and broadcasters know you are letting the advertizers know what you think of the programming. When you do this, you actually improve the odds that those same producers will look for better programs to produce in the future.
Complaining to fans that you don't see why they don't just go read a book or get outside, does nothing to promote either as good entertainment.
-Rusty.