The Porn Of Napster 257
Thomas M Hughes writes "Well, Napster is breathing its last breath. Filing for chapter 7 and slowly dying. Who better than to try and bring it back to life than a porn company? The article claims that the company wishes to use the Napster name to distribute free pornography across the Internet."
Free? (Score:1, Funny)
Getting sued by the RIAA vs. getting sued by pornographers... which is worst?
Re:Free? (Score:1)
Re:Free? (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Free? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Free? (Score:1)
Re:Free? (Score:2, Insightful)
Problem? Yeah, there's lots of porn on usenet. That's a problem?
Re:Free? (Score:5, Informative)
[i]Private Media claims to own the largest library of adult-oriented content in the world, with global copyrights to the content.
"Along with Hollywood and the recording industry, we have become increasingly concerned about the level of copyright infringement inherent in the free peer-to-peer file swapping services," Prast said.[/i]
Re:Free? (Score:5, Informative)
Oh, and where exactly do you get this kind of information? I'ld really like to know...
It might seem glamourous to think this, but it's simply not true. The industry runs off of money and profit just like any other industry. The larger magazines/sites/filmmakers can afford to get better models and can also afford to treat their models/photographers/employees better. In actuality, the porn industry co-exists with hollywood/mainstream media...they use similar distribution channels and similar business models.
If you look at the history of Playboy Enterprises [playboyenterprises.com], Larry Flynt Publications (Hustler) [larryflynt.com]...who might I add runs his own Linux-based weblog, and General Media Communications, Inc. (Penthouse) [generalmedia.com]. You will find that they are all owned and operated by corporations/individuals and follow the letter of the law...they have to, because they are watched closely by special interest groups.
And at least in the instance of Hustler, their website is running off of Linux [netcraft.com].
Re:Free? (Score:2)
Unless you believe the Mafia is stupid enough to keep putting its information in the hands of MS.
Now, youz ain't saying da mafia is stupid, are youz?
Why do that want Napster... (Score:3, Interesting)
If this is true, why would they want to use a brand name that was almost entirely devoted to copyright violation?
Re:Why do that want Napster... (Score:2)
Re:Why do that want Napster... (Score:3, Interesting)
They are making a stock offer for the assets of a company in chapter 7. I can't recall a case in which a bankrupcy court accepted a stock offer for assets of a chapter 7 company. On top of that the stock is not listed so the it is impossible to judge what value the creditors would receive.
Bascially this is a pure publicity play. There is virtually no chance that the offer would be accepted.
I don't quite see the pay off, if napster was public and on the verge then an offer of a buyout could cause the stock to rise, allowing someone to dump stock or options at a profit. But with napster in its current situation that can't be the motive. I don't see what publicity for an anonymous holding company does either.
This could simply be a brainless exec on an ego trip. Or they could be planning to go public themselves.
Re:Why do that want Napster... (Score:2)
Re:Why do that want Napster... (Score:3, Insightful)
Why would [Private Media] want to use a brand name that was almost entirely devoted to copyright violation?
Probably for the same reason Bertelsman got involved: brand recognition.
Alternate theory: PM doesn't want Napster, they want press.
ps. I think I sampled the statement better yesterday [slashdot.org] -- who's Prast again? :p
Re:Why do that want Napster... (Score:2)
There were plenty of people who didn't know they were violating copyrights and simply thought of napster was synonymous with "extremely easy to find exactly what you are looking for"
On a side note, i have recieved lots of porn spam in my day, and i have recieved some from this "Napster Porn". I didn't dare try downloading the software for fear of some automatic dialer (not to mention that the software doesn't run on macs anyway, and i don't understand russian...)
So this is nothing new. they have been using the name "Napster Porn" for over a year without actually owning the name Napster. here is a mail [redhat.com] that showed up on the redhat mailing list in august of 2001. now either this guy that is tring to buy napster is the same guy, or he saw the russian guys and got inspired.
Re:Why do that want Napster... (Score:2)
how better to bring fine hot college sluts the want your DICK NOW!! to the masses.
New meaning... (Score:5, Funny)
p2w (Score:1, Funny)
Re:New meaning... (Score:1)
Well, if thats true.... (Score:2)
Napster isn't P2P (Score:1, Informative)
Re:New meaning... (Score:4, Funny)
It's sorta like another way to call a cat a kitten
It's five little letters that are missin' here
Re:New meaning... (Score:2)
Re:New meaning... (Score:5, Funny)
sorry, i couldn't resist
Re:New meaning... (Score:5, Funny)
Re: (Score:2)
Re:Napster is dead (Score:2, Insightful)
Ironically, I find that Napster was the only P2P that worked reliably for me.
With the new ones, I can only connect to a few search servers, and even when I do, half of what I search for ends up just being pr0n with "kraftwerk" in its filename.
Thats because it wasn't actualy peer to peer. (Score:2)
Re:Thats because it wasn't actualy peer to peer. (Score:2)
could you please explain this? to my understanding, napster the company and software product handled the searching (yes by centralized servers), but napster did handle the searching, thus the shutdown. most current implementors of the gnutella design (kazza, morpheous, gnucleus, bearshare, etc) do not handle the searches, rather, searches are handled by the many other users on the network.
Just a guess (Score:2)
i wonder (Score:2, Funny)
Re:i wonder (Score:2, Funny)
It will have a little pussy on it.
Re:i wonder (Score:2)
"Ded pussy?" (eeeewwww!)
"Wet kitty?" (much nicer!)
I just hope the graphics are better than that tombstone the Napster guys did.
If you'd known about this during trading hours on the 12th (and sold your stock on the 13th!) it would have been a nice trade, but IMHO a look at PRVT's one-year [infospace.com] stock chart still says "Fucked Company".
There's plenty of ways to blow a wad of cash in this market. I'd think hard before going long here.
getting reamed (Score:1)
Re:getting reamed (Score:1)
Re:getting reamed by lawmakers (Score:1)
Ch
It's still copyright infringement... unless.... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:It's still copyright infringement... unless.... (Score:1)
Re:It's still copyright infringement... unless.... (Score:2, Funny)
You mean, all of the pr0n stars are shared and we're free to modify them as we wish?! Mmmmmmm........ sign me up.
Re:It's still copyright infringement... unless.... (Score:2)
nobody needs that kind of porn...
Won't Last Long (Score:1, Redundant)
As for the videos that could possibly be traded.....Is there such thing as an MPPAA?
liquidation (Score:1)
a.k.a the "money shot"
Interesting...Private Media's Stock Soared (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Interesting...Private Media's Stock Soared (Score:2)
I think there's a lot of money changing hands in the porn industry, but I can't believe that outside of a few niche players (Playboy, Hustler, Penthouse, some video companies) that there's this massive, platinum-plated industry out there. I think there's a lot of places just breaking even, and an awful lot of organized crime skimming going on.
Don't follow any links (Score:1)
Or the hordes of people posting the old adage of "All advances in technology are driving by a desire for easier access to pornography."
So be warned, any link that a post in this thread links to could conceivably redirect you to a dreaded goatse.cx link. Click on things at your own risk.
Re:Don't follow any links (Score:2)
If you are logged in, there is a setting you can adjust in preferences under the comments tab. If you scroll all the way down, You'll see this radio button:
Display Link Domains? (shows the actual domain of any link in brackets)
If you choose "Always show link domains", you always will.
Re:Don't follow any links (Score:2)
More Stories (Score:3, Informative)
CNN [cnn.com]
SiliconValley [siliconvalley.com]
Yahoo [yahoo.com]
Wow! (Score:5, Funny)
Free porn? Wow! This is just what the Internet needs! coughUSENETcough.
Comment removed (Score:3, Funny)
Name change (Score:1)
Fate... (Score:2, Funny)
("Pantser" works too...)
Re:Fate... (Score:2)
You mean "Unpantser"
Couple important bits (Score:5, Informative)
"Along with Hollywood and the recording industry, we have become increasingly concerned about the level of copyright infringement inherent in the free peer-to-peer file swapping services,"
and
"Private Media claims to own the largest library of adult-oriented content in the world, with global copyrights to the content."
Assuming they stick to charging users for access to their network and making sure only their content gets "shared", it doesn't look like they'll be shut down by the RIAA, MPAA or sued into the ground for trading content without the adequate rights. Plus, it's not like the MPAA would be too concerned by porn flicks being traded on the service...
Re:Couple important bits (Score:5, Funny)
Somebody at the copyright office has a really cool job.
Re:I didn't say that exactly. (Score:2)
Fine, paradigms are subjective. But why is the industry pounding the subjectivity of a few "celebrities" down everybody's throat?
If Java was balanced for different minds, it would *at least* had real functions in addition to classes.
(* The problem is, java makes things easy on the programmer (at least initially), *)
I don't find anything approachable about Java, at least not the API's. You can't use many of them in isolation; you are dragged via a long chain into the internal mind of some fad-surfer at SUN who wants to lock you into their own world in an MS-like way. Sure, some IDE's simplify some of this for ya, but IDE's can improve just about any horror a bit.
(* But java != OOP, java is just the most rabidly promoted (and overhyped) example of it. *)
Yes, but I still see Java-like hype in other materials also. The hype and cliches flow like water, yet none of it is backed by cited real evidence. PHB's buy into it all and shove it down the throats of workerbees.
A holy war is shoving it down our orafices, so it just may take a holy war to unshove it. I am an unshover.
BTW, as far as Java being "true OO", an agree-able defition of OO is rather elusive. It starts wars on comp.object all the time. However, most heavy OO fans seem to prefer something besides Java (like C++ or Eiffle or Smalltalk or Scheme).
(* Most people see through the bullshit eventually, when the magical technology fails to save them billions. *)
My observation is that they toss the current toy for the next big thing, just like a toddler spotting a new shiney thing, making him/her drop current toy. IOW, it is the *next* fad that draws them away, not rationality.
The industry makes more money when things change. If things don't change, then they sell less. Thus, there is pressure to overhype new things, and it trickles down to the trade-rags read by PHB's.
Doubt it will happen... (Score:2)
Selling WOULD be the best business decision, Napster is a dead name otherwise -- and this is a way to bring in some cash (to pay creditors, employees, whatever). Too bad the CEO's wont soil their names to prevent bankrupcy...
but its not the CEO's decision (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Re:Yeah, that's a MUCH better business model.... (Score:2)
Could make it a lot easier than trying to download porn movies off of kazaa or something like that.
Duh (Score:3, Informative)
Bit rate and file size limitations....
Was it really that hard to figure out?
They can also lock out specific files by hash code or something, so unless people downloaded and then reencoded their stuff, it wouldn't be an issue. Of course, people would do this, but that's what the bitrate/filesize limits are for.
I hope this works out (Score:1)
Though, even if this new "Napster" is successful, I doubt **AA organizations will try to get the consumers of their products what they want. They seem to be kinda dense in that respect.
It will make it as long as it has one small filter (Score:1)
It can be tough mentioning goatse and staying on topic you know.
Worse than MP3 theft (Score:1)
The penalties for illegal transfer of copyrighted porn are harsh, and in my experience, such litigation events are open-close-pay-lots-of-money to them affairs
I dunno. (Score:2)
what about this? [eroticprints.org]
Re:I dunno. (Score:2, Insightful)
That was a great support
Re:Worse than MP3 theft (Score:2)
Bug in the mix (Score:2)
I signed up for this service that promised to let me grab porn from other members' machines.
However, it keeps coming back with nothing but their MS-Word documents.
This is silly (Score:2, Insightful)
May prove Napster model (Score:5, Insightful)
OTOH, the porn industry, which may find it more difficult find (openly) sympathetic legislators, and has a much lower cost of entry, tends to compete vigorously. The porn industry does look for innovative methods to gain market share, to distinguish themselves from the other 600 business card size ads in Hustler. Sometimes this competition leads to Spam, other times it leads to extensive free content in newsgroups, or aggressively priced introductory offers.
Which means that Private Media Group may actually have the experience, motivation, and cash to make Napster work. This may provide a way to differentiate their product form their competitors. If they are successfull, it will be harder to argue that Napster's only use is for pirating, and further increase evidence that content monopolies are primarily concerned about loss of control.
Will Help Kill the Free Internet. (Score:3, Funny)
No one wants to be a whore! It's vile exploitation and porn is it's ultimate extension. People pose for those pictures when they have run out of hope and self respect. Think about this hapening to your mother, sister or daughter.
The internet was not designed for this. It was designed to share computing resources and information, not to sell crap. Those who look at this as a good thing smear all the other causes they are associated with.
Re:Will Help Kill the Free Internet. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Will Help Kill the Free Internet. (Score:2)
Simple fact of the matter is these are women making money off of their looks. Yes they have a use by date and yes they are unable to work after that. Well they should have chosen a diffrent path. I will agree with you when you can prove to me that they are being forced to do this.
Re:Will Help Kill the Free Internet. (Score:2)
Keep up the good work >:)
Re:Will Help Kill the Free Internet. (Score:2)
I thank you sir.
Re:May prove Napster model (Score:2)
And how would this 'prove' the Napster model anyways ? This company's model is COMPLETELY different than Napsters - they plan to make available content owned and copyrighted by THEMSELVES. Napster was built around making trading available of content owned and copyrighted BY SOMEONE ELSE. BIG difference.
So, as I predicted... (Score:4, Funny)
(reference to A!THL^WSexy Losers [sexylosers.com]...)
new name... (Score:2)
"napster bad!!!"
(very bad, in a naughty kind of way, apparently)
Lameness (Score:5, Interesting)
This would probably end up being the same kind of thing. I know this is a bit hypocritical to say, but the online porn world is full of some of the sleaziest people out there. I mean, how much spam is for porn sites? These people will use any deceptive marketing tactics they can to make money, or as they would say '$$'. I remember reading some supposed how-to guide for starting up a porn site, and it explained how to scam search engines. The acted like there was nothing wrong with doing that at all. And of course, these are the people who invented the popup window.
The most discussing thing, though, is the way they'll put copy up on their sites that totally degrades women, you know, "This fucking bitch wants the cock so bad," etc. Its just, well as I said, discussing.
I suppose I could theorize that the people who end up going into porn are already willing to throw off morality for profit, (but don't want the legal exposure of, say, being a drug kingpin)
But anyway, if these guys succeed in buying napster, it'll be a sad day for napster. Not that napster was really that great, but these guys probably don't have any intention of even letting people trade files, but rather simply using the napster trademark some kind of supped-up pay site. (and yeah, the stuff won't be free.)
One of the things I'd like to do, if autopr0n [autopr0n.com] ever became a big thing, is try to create a place where people can find pornography without all the ridiculous bullshit, Spam, etc. I think porno can be profitable without being incredibly demeaning to the customers and the women who appear in it.
Re:Lameness (Score:2, Interesting)
heh (Score:4, Interesting)
One of the reasons that autopr0n doesn't have as many links as some of the other TGPs is that rather then just a simple 5-7 word description, we actually go a bit more in-depth usually. Also, mods need to mark down the properties the image falls under (like Asian, lesbian, etc) so people can search for stuff.
It takes me like an hour or two to post just 32 links, which is what I try to go for when I'm on the ball.
(btw, if you're wondering what I mean by "we", I'm talking about myself and the other volunteer moderators for the site. There are like 30 or something, but only about 7 or 8 really active ones.)
Also, I do try to have a life. I'd like for AP to have a higher volume, though. If you'd like to help out you could sign up as a mod (just email me). And if you're just interested in links, you can look through the thousands that I have sitting in the queue
Re:Lameness (Score:3, Insightful)
I think you're missing the point.
We've already established that pr0n is one of the few ways to make a dependable buck on the net. So I'm taking that as granted.
(Bear with me...)
We've already established that Napster's BRAND is capable of pulling in publicity absolutely freaking everywhere... much to the chagrin of those of us who prefered our l337 undergr0und lynx, well... underground.
What is being purchased and marketed here is a brand. Plain and simple. It may be a way for a corp. to think that they're "legitimizing" the business by buying the brand name, but that's it.
They're marketing to the same people who have 4 different versions of Gator, Morpheus and other ad/spy/scum/ware loaded because they don't know any better.
Sheep, all of them. Controlled by the US media and news outlets... (which were both the windfall and downfall of P2P and the "real" Napster, if you guys remember your recent history...)
These are the same people who use Win because "everyone does," and don't know how to do a bloody thing besides surf the Web and play solitare.
It's also the largest market on the Web. In the US at least.
Read up on your PT Barnum quotes.
I think it's a brilliant marketing move, but a sad epitaph for a service that started out so promisingly, but made the mainstream far before its time.
--dr00gy
Yes, people are stupid. Yes people can make money. (Score:2)
The other problem is that it creates a situation where everyone tries to pander to the lowest common denominator. Just look at the sorry-ass state of 'portals' before google came along. Google just gave us what we wanted and no bullshit, and now they serve up 97% of the links out there. (google is kind of my inspiration for ap. I figure the 'net pr0n world is so full of crap that if I just provide a non-pandering, bullshit-light site most people would prefer it)
But yeah, those other BS portals still make money, but they are still bullshit and they waste peoples time and they contribute nothing to the world at all.
Will this new napster make money? yeah, probably. Porn always makes money
Not apearing in it (Score:2)
Normally, I don't even see the text on porn sites, since I wrote a special browser that just downloads the linked pics
Anyway, a skank is a woman who's dirty and will probably give you an STD. Just because a girl is promiscuous doesn't mean she's a skank (porn producers usually require STD checking before hiring people). You're thinking of 'slut', which I find to be a rather retarded title. Basically insulting women for doing what 90% of guys would do if they had the chance.
Re:Not apearing in it (Score:2, Interesting)
Sex != Love & Sex != Making Love.
Some people want classy; most people want nasty.
--
Re:Not apearing in it (Score:2)
If women don't like gettin' beat, they don't have to stay married to wife abusers. But they do, the world isn't really that simple. They also might not know how their images are going to be framed.
anyway, what's more demeaning, "this bitch loves my cum", or the actual act of getting threewayed, tell me.
Well, if I got fucked by two chicks, I wouldn't consider myself 'demeaned' at all, why should it be 'demeaning' for a woman to enjoy, and have intresting sex?
it's not just skank [dictionary.com]. "skank" implies filth, not just sexual accessability. [dictionary.com]
Stock ticker symbol (Score:2)
(I stole this post from Fuckedcompany [fuckedcompany.com].)
Full text of press release (Score:5, Informative)
Private Media Group Announces Offer for Napster Trademark and napster.com URL
Barcelona, September 12th, 2002/PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Private Media Group Inc. (Nasdaq: PRVT) a worldwide leader in premium quality adult entertainment products, services and content, today announced that it has made an offer to Napster, Inc. to acquire the Napster trademark and napster.com domain name for one million shares of Private common stock.
Private's offer, if accepted by Napster, is subject to customary terms and conditions, including approval by the court having jurisdiction over Napster, Inc.'s bankruptcy proceeding.
With the Napster trademark, Private plans to create a unique peer-to-peer (P2P) environment that would offer the tens of millions of adult consumers worldwide the opportunity to share adult content for free as well as access top quality adult content at a reasonable price.
Napster is one of the most recognized names in P2P file-swapping services that allow users to trade and download files. At its height, Napster had 84 million users of its software and was the fastest-growing software application ever monitored by online tracking services.
Charles Prast, President and CEO of Private Media Group stated: "Along with Hollywood and the recording industry, we have become increasingly concerned about the level of copyright infringement inherent in free peer-to-peer file swapping services. It is estimated that up to 35% of all content downloaded from P2P sites is of an adult nature, which raises significant issues both in terms of copyright infringement and lack of controls of access by minors. It is an industry that presently has over 150 million users.
Mr. Prast continued: "At Private, we feel that there has been an excess of spamming, credit card fraud, abuse of consumer data, and price gouging among many on-line providers of adult content. We intend to use the strength of the Napster trademark to build a community for adults to share content provided by Private and our industry partners.
"Private has high standards, both from a regulatory and financial perspective with a 37 year track record of legal compliance. Private owns the largest library of quality adult content in the world, global rights to all our content, and strong technological know-how. All of these factors make Private uniquely suited to manage a viable and legal P2P network for consumers of adult content", said Mr. Prast.
Private Media Group is a leading global adult entertainment company that distributes its content over a wide range of media platforms, including narrow and broadband Internet, DVD and video, magazines, broadcasting and wireless technologies. Private owns the worldwide rights to the largest archive of high quality adult content in the world, which it distributes digitally worldwide and physically in over 35 countries.
This release contains, in addition to historical information, forward-looking statements within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933, as amended, and Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, as amended, which reflect the Company's current judgments of those issues. However, because those statements are forward-looking and apply to future events, they are subject to such risks and uncertainties, which could lead to results materially different than anticipated by the Company.
For further information about Private Media Group, please contact in Barcelona, Spain:
PRIVATE MEDIA GROUP
André F. Ribeiro
Phone: +34 679 983 772
E-mail: andre@private.com
URL: www.prvt.com
GRUPO ALBIÓN
Alejandra Moore Mayorga
Phone: +34 91 531 23 88
Mobile: +34 670 799 33
E-mail: amoore@grupoalbion.com
Please visit our Download Zone, where you can find relevant information relating to this announcement in PDF format: http://www.tresddb.com/gadz/private.html [tresddb.com].
Could be big (Score:2, Funny)
yeah (Score:2)
Oh yeah, great plan. Centralized download management, virtually no verification of the legality of the content. It would be easier just to drop all your computer equipment off at the local FBI [fbi.gov] office.
freedom (Score:2, Funny)
Problem: model is not 10x better than what exists. (Score:2)
Ever since the original Napster crashed and burned in mid-2000, several other P2P filesharing systems came up. Among college students (a fairly heavy market for porn), KaZaA is definitely the drug of choice.
Systems like KaZaA already have porn on them. *I* am certainly not one to download two programs to do what one already does well.
Napster fought the good fight, but now it's gone. It's lost all its mind-share.
R.I.P., Napster...
Yea baby, yea (Score:2)
Pornster at Lapdance 2000 (Score:2)
Matt Stone and Trey Parker had invited my friend Mark Pesce (the inventor of VRML) to host a panel discussion entitled "What is this whole Internet thing, anyway?"
To illustrate the huge force that peer-to-peer networks would become within the media industry, Mark jokingly announced the IPO of his new company, Pornster (I came up with the logo, the P in Pornster was a penis with a cockring through it
This was at Sundance, mind you, where every third person is someone big in the entertainment industry. Amazing how clueless most of these media folks were, even in 2000. The presentation really made folks look at their roles as 'gatekeepers of entertainment.'
What place have the gatekeepers, when all the walls are gone?
Re:Oldest Known Penis Is 100 Million Years Old (Score:1)
Obviously born to be a porn star.
Re:I still use Napster! (Score:2)
That's what they wanted you to believe.
Well, they are buying napster for the name (Score:2)
Re:Well, they are buying napster for the name (Score:2)
Re:Another way to get pr0n (Score:2)
The Kama Sutra is attached as a reference manual.
Re:Free porn? ever hear of USENET? (Score:3, Insightful)
Not to mention P2P is searchable and has multiple sources for a file. You take what your news server gives you on USENET. It's like the difference between watching HBO or going to the video store.