Windows on an iMac (says the invoice); Red Hat's Alternative 594
A user writes "According to a story at The Register, schools who want to take advantage of educational bulk licensing agreements with Microsoft have to count all PCs (and Macs!), even those not running Windows." One package of software applies to all installed PCs and Macs, including those running Linux or BSD, so schools end up paying for stations that Windows (and other programs) cannot or do not run on. Microsoft's justification is that the agreement requires an "institution-wide commitment." Coincidentally,
bc90021 points out that "RedHat announced its Linux Pilot Program for schools today. Designed to improve the overall learning experience for children, seven North Carolina school districts have already joined. One county director is quoted as saying: 'With the money we saved from not buying proprietary licenses, the school district purchased additional resources that directly [a]ffected the learning experience of our students and brought us into the 21st century.'"
Fish Bowl? (Score:4, Funny)
But what we really need to know... (Score:2, Funny)
How much money can be saved . . . (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:How much money can be saved . . . (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:How much money can be saved . . . (Score:4, Insightful)
Absolutely. I can see computers in a few classes in High School (Like say, programming
Kids should be spending more time socializing, maybe replace the computers with sports equipment -- that'd do them some good. Heck, the amount of money some schools spend on computers you could probably put in a swimming pool.
Re:How much money can be saved . . . (Score:3, Interesting)
Well, if you use the computer like a TV or a Nintendo, then yeah. And alas most educational software doesn't rise even to that level. But if the computers were used as real data-loggers, real info-miners, and real automation-control units, then those kids would be learning to cope in the world of 2025 (their eventual home) than currently is the case. Computers are way more important for their conditional-logic abilities than for number crunching... and no matter how well the old pen-and-paper has served us in the past, it clearly is not the info tech of the future.
Re:How much money can be saved . . . (Score:3, Funny)
a computer lab can cost as much as 10 new teachers.
i'm not saying computers can't help eductation, i just think there are better things that our schools could spend their (scarce) cash on.
Bah! (Score:3, Insightful)
Microsoft, however, adds no value to the educational mix over what is available for free. Possibly it subtracts. It's a scandal that school districts are putting themselves at mercy of Microsoft's predatory licensing practices.
how can one teacher teach 200 students? (Score:3, Interesting)
As the difficulity of the work increases the need for teachers increases.
Dont you think, interactive software would teach a student just as well as a teacher could?????
Re:How much money can be saved . . . (Score:4, Interesting)
In other words, replace education with training.
The assumption was made that when the student went looking for a job 6 or 7 years later the MS software will still be what everyone is using.
How will knowing details of Office 2000 or XP be much use with using Office 2009 anyway?
Re:How much money can be saved . . . (Score:5, Insightful)
We could have hired a pretty damn good UNIX sysadmin for that much money.
Virtual PC (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Virtual PC (Score:5, Insightful)
"Well, they can force us to buy licenses of Windows we don't need... we might as well make the best of it and figure out uses for all the extras."
I guess they should also just install Windows on any *nix machines too?
Would be a shame if they got to choose, huh?
mark
Re:Virtual PC (Score:3, Interesting)
I mean, after all, it provides virtually the same functionality as windows.
When will they figure this out? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:When will they figure this out? (Score:5, Informative)
They have done for years.
I can't believe that got modded up. (!)
Re:When will they figure this out? (Score:4, Insightful)
I read "linux/bsd imho are perfectly good replacements..." rather then "even if they don't go linux/bsd, iMacs are perfectly..." Oops! Brain damage strikes again!
My bad. My point is the same though. Linux, BSD, Mac, whatever. The schools shouldn't be teaching MS Office, they should be teaching problem solving skills using computers.
*That* was my point.
Maybe it was modded because the concept was right, just in the wrong context.
Even better than that... (Score:3, Insightful)
calculators (Score:5, Insightful)
Grade 1? (Score:3, Funny)
I mean, how far do you go? Slide rule? Abacus? They are all computing devices.
BSA Rep: "I'm afraid you're not in compliance with your license agreement, because each of those children has ten fingers, which they use to compute basic mathematics. For your class of 20 first grade students, you will need to purchase an additional 200 licenses."
Re:calculators (Score:2, Funny)
Wake up call (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Wake up call (Score:3, Insightful)
Its another master move by the MS marketing team. Sadly.
Oracle and California explained! (Score:5, Funny)
"Look, just because you can't even install or use the software doesn't mean you don't have to pay for it! I paid $25,000 to your campaign, and I want my $95M in revenues, dammit!"
Re:Oracle and California explained! (Score:3, Interesting)
Ya know, it doesn't suprise me that much that politicians are for sale. But I never cease to be amazed at how low their prices seem to be.
Re:Oracle and California explained! (Score:3, Funny)
Yeah, but pretty soon if you buy American politicians in the UK you will have to pay 17.5% VAT on them.
graspee
really!! (Score:2)
my school is under a bulk licensing program from MS. Students get access to various MS software for free, such as 2 licenses of Office XP.
We also have a ton of non-MS systems. Databases run SCT on top of Solaris, many labs in the CS and Physics dept run Solaris and Linux (those physics folk have a 64-node beowulf cluster!), Art depts have a lot of macs. The student webserver is Solaris.
Man, Drexel spends a lot on all those non-MS systems. No wonder tuition so high!
Re:really!! (Score:2)
Re:really!! (Score:2)
You're right though, the CS at Penn is more theory, and learning to code in ML and shit. Fortunately for me, CS wasn't my major.
I get so fucking pissed (Score:2, Flamebait)
God dammit, this fucking makes me so mad that there's spittle on my fucking monitor, and that's pretty damn savage. Why can't money be spent on important shit? I don't see computers being more important than quality chairs, desks, supplies, instructors. A computer doesn't teach people shit. Does giving a chef some new T-Fal shit suddenly make them fucking Iron Chef? Fuck no. It was grunt work that did.
Fucking people and their ideas that computers can replace good instruction. It doesn't matter what the fucking OS is. The OS is just some shit that is the vehicle for edufuckingcation. It's not an end. It's a means.
Re:I get so fucking pissed (Score:2)
School district officials are quite familiar with this concept, as well as the concept that it spending adequately on primary and secondary public school education in the United States just doesn't happen. I can totally understand why they would take the money that they saved and immediately spend it on something else. They're allocating scarce resources and trying to keep them from getting scarcer.
Re:I get so fucking pissed (Score:2, Funny)
It was consistent.
It should've been modded up a bit.
It was funny (Iron Chef??! Wow...)
It was something that would make nuns blush.
Cool. Any more profane, and you'll just turn into Andrew Dice Clay, who's neither consistent or funny.
I echo your point: in most situations in education, a computer is a simple tool, and should not be a means for pure profit. Microsoft is taking toll on the FUCKING FUTURE, the greedy motherfuckers.
Wow. Now I'm getting profane. I like it.
Educational software for Linux? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Educational software for Linux? (Score:2, Interesting)
Okay, there is software that's genuinely useful in an educational setting -- stuff like logo, for instance, or Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing. Logo runs anywhere, and Mavis Beacon has (less pretty, but more portable) Free equivalents. Math Blaster and their ilk try to be a replacement for classroom instruction, and suck at it; no school worth their beans will try to use that stuff anyhow.
Re:Educational software for Linux? (Score:2, Informative)
$99 buys you the base linux version...and $159 buys you the base version along with the most useful toolboxes.
Exactly what they used to do with OEM licenses (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Exactly what they used to do with OEM licenses (Score:5, Informative)
I couldn't find a reference to that suit, but here's a story at CNet [com.com] which discusses this. Note this paragraph:
The article is actually discussing a stunt Microsoft pulled to get resellers to tattle on anyone who bought a PC without Windows.Bill & co. never cease to amaze me -- but what amazes me more is that so few people have caught on to what they're doing.
Enough (Score:5, Insightful)
On the other, I don't know if I should direct the statement at Microsoft or its customers.
Institutions should just refuse these licenses on principle.
Re:Enough (Score:2)
and if they are refusing to use MS software, their previous agreement will still allow for an audit.
not to mention the time involved in converting an entire school to a different OS, getting the bugs worked out, training the teachers, the students will usually be fine after a short intro.
The long run will most likely save money, but the short time will prove to be prohibiting. Not to mention that most Sys admins at schools are Minesweeper solitaire cert experts, who believe anything MS says.
no offense to those that are MCSE and know what the hell they are doing. Just the ones that think since they have that piece of paper they can walk on water.
Re:Enough (Score:2)
This situation could be assuaged if universities paid more than $35K/yr for a junior sysadmin position. Or worse, they hire workstudy students to do the work at $8/hr.
You get what you pay for, especially in IT.
Re:Enough (Score:2, Informative)
Audit (Score:2)
Damn... (Score:2)
Is an AMD a Pentium? (Score:5, Interesting)
In the US "Microsoft Schools Agreement 3.0," for example, "100 per cent of all Pentiums, Power Macs, iMacs or better" are specified, whereas the FAQ document for the UK Microsoft School Agreement says "You need to count 100% of all Pentiums, Power Macs and iMacs."
So AMD's are OK? Phew!
Re:Is an AMD a Pentium? (Score:2)
possible explanation? (Score:2)
Are we teaching the kids... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Are we teaching the kids... (Score:2, Flamebait)
Re:Are we teaching the kids... (Score:5, Insightful)
OK, it doesn't help you understand all that solid-state stuff, but that's not really relevant. On the other hand, command-line interfaces absolutely demand a greater awareness of what each program does, what it expects, and how it interacts with other programs. Plus it encourages a can-fix attitude to problems, as opposed to the learned helplessness of most GUIs.
Re:Are we teaching the kids... (Score:3, Insightful)
Yes, some kids can do it - some do do it. But not very many.
The advantage Linux and friends have is that they are cheap. With my school district and state strapped for cash, cheap is important.
But as far as education and my expierence in grade school, OS internals are a little too advanced.
Re:Are we teaching the kids... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Are we teaching the kids... (Score:4, Interesting)
In driver's ed you don't learn to build a car, you learn to drive it. Likewise, in junior high/high school computer class you learn to operate a computer, not program it.
Kids who want to delve into computers further should be able to do so, in specialty courses.
Not to say that the general classes should be Windows. I think you'd have more kids be genuinely excited to use computers if they were Macs, because Mac OS (X) is just such a pleasing, non-intimidating platform.
mark
Re:Are we teaching the kids... (Score:3, Interesting)
Yes, but is this an essential course for everyone to learn? Will most people need to be able to program compilers in their professional lives, or use Word?
I say have the advanced programming classes. Have good teachers to teach them. But I don't see why even most students would want or need to take them.
mark
Re:Are we teaching the kids... (Score:3, Insightful)
Yes, but if you teach kids two or three differing interfaces, they should be able to grasp the principles of any others they come across.
Kids shouldn't be afraid of computers, or of any machine.
I definitely agree with this. People (children and adults) need to learn that the key to learning about computers (as with so many other things) is exploration, and a focussed sense of play. 'What does this button do?' is the question I want to hear my (as yet unconceived
Re:Are we teaching the kids... (Score:3, Insightful)
How does open source (and by your inference, Linux) teach kids about how computers work? It's just software. And very complicated software at that.
My public-school computer programming courses in grades 3-8 consisted mainly of writing rudimentary BASIC and LOGO programs on the school's room full of TRS-80's.
That was as good and introduction as any, really.
Re: Are we teaching the kids... (Score:3, Insightful)
>
Neither. We're teaching them how to MAKE MONEY FAST!!! with pushy business practices.
That's what's important in America, you know.
How Low can M$ go? (Score:5, Insightful)
MS haiku (Score:4, Funny)
Squeezing money from our schools
Linux saves the day
Office (Score:3, Interesting)
*cough* *sputter* (Score:5, Informative)
Erm... run that by me again?
Here's a list of the software regulated by this agreement. I'll drop the ones that are currently available for Mac (as listed on the MSFT site) into boldface:
Re:*cough* *sputter* (Score:2)
OTOH, I'm not sure that these 'benefit' Mac users, if you know what I mean.
Well it's hard to make a judgement... (Score:2)
Does MS Realize They Are In The Middle Of A Trial? (Score:2, Interesting)
How can this possibly be legal? (Score:3, Insightful)
IIRC there was some kind of law suit against Microsoft years ago for forcing OEMs to pay for Windows licenses on machines that did not include Windows. I believe Microsoft lost that suite. Wouldn't this fall under that ruling?
I don't see much of a problem (Score:2)
Re:I don't see much of a problem (Score:2)
The problem is that it's extortion. They know very well no one will have time to do a changeover so that's at least one year of bulk licencing.
Is this legal in the USA? (Score:3, Interesting)
Don't the schools ever bother to contact their lawyers when faced with something like this? Don't any of these people write to their political representatives over issues like this? I was under the impression that in the US you can sue over something like MS "requiring an institution wide commitment". Isn't that criminal in the US? Since when does MS have the right to require *anything* whatsoever. Isn't this in the legue of charging for services not rendered, or goods not sold?
I am shocked and amazed by the arrogance of that company. I wrote a post asking if someday MS would make it a criminal offence to not have a PC in your house with Windows on it. This does seem very close to that sort of behaviour. I would assume that others would be too because it the future of their children that is at stake.
Re:Is this legal in the USA? (Score:2)
Um... no... (Score:2)
That's not justification, that's a descriptor of what they want. Justification would be something like "because it helps us to rule the world."
Revenge of the Consent Decree? (Score:2, Interesting)
How is this different?
Antitrust (Score:2)
The DOJ has already caught them at this before. (Score:2)
Thin Clients Are Exempt (Score:2, Interesting)
Interestingly, I wonder if macs would be exempt if the harddrives were stripped and they were booted using OS X Server and NetBoot as thin clients.
Educational Software on Linux? (Score:2, Insightful)
Admittedly, I haven't done a lot of searching for these things, so maybe they exist. If so, then that's great! But if not, and no one does anything about it, it seems to me these Linux-in-the-classroom programs are going to eventually fail - and Microsoft will have the opportunity for a big "I told you so!"
History repeats itself (Score:2)
Anyone remember ICLASS ? (Score:2)
Bare bones, simple, clean educational distro? (Score:4, Insightful)
Sounds like we might see more schools systems (with Mac + Linux and no Windows at all) bragging about the money they saved and the purchases they made with these savings. It would be nice if they could network and share expertise. Might also be nice if Macs and Linix interfaced a little more seamlessly.
=brian
PS: This might be another occasion where Microsoft's aggressive policies work for us and against them. If they really are hard-assed about this "all or nothing" licensing, several schools systems will choose to opt out, especially those that are Mac-heavy.
Several points... (Score:2)
2- For a large high school, the savings offered by Red Hat with StarOffice could probably pay the salary of a decent Linux admin to manage the computer labs and train the teaching staff, if not teach full time. I think we can expect to see this really take off once teaching/school administration journals are full of articles about the savings offered by running Open/Free/Cheap Software.
3- Has anyone else noticed that Apple and Red Hat are both trying to push into schools with open source operating systems running a ton of well supported GNU software? If Red Hat and Apple work together to make it easier to kids to learn both systems and the associated tools, Microsoft will have some serious trouble from the Open Source world in education.
Must be... (Score:3, Funny)
I see some sense in it... (Score:2)
How easy is it for a sys admin to simply format a linux box and throw Win2K on it with a CD he has? Basically, they are making sure campus admins don't say "We have 5,000 computers, but only 1,000 will run Win2K" then they go and install Win2K on all of them.
Just a capitalistic company covering their rears. Sure, to the open source community its an "outrageous greed act," but all it is is economics.
Pathetic (Score:2)
The more Microsoft pulls bullshit like this, the more contempt I have for people who buy their products.
I'm going to lose a lot of karma here, but all you Microsofties need to wake the fuck up!
Thank you.
Re:Pathetic (Score:2)
Ohhh, oh... ohhhh woah woah woah shit
oh thank heavens, you've got karma to burn
you'll need it!
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self-destruction (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Irony (Score:2)
effect: (v) - To cause to be.
affect: (v) - To influence or move.
The implications of this passage are either:
This happened in Australia, too... (Score:2, Insightful)
Also the asking price that the schools were expected to pay was far too high, especially considering most schools wouldn't get much advantage right off the bat. In this case the Education Department subsidised the cost.
Loophole (Score:2)
Is it just me, or do I spot a loophole [apple.com]?
Re:Loophole (Score:2)
Jesus H. Christ, do they EVER stop? (Score:2)
What next, will consumers have to pay for Windows licenses for everyone in their household? Will they include newborn babies who couldn't possibly use the computer? Will two licenses be required if there's a pregnant woman in the house? What about pets? If there's a photo of your dead grandfather on the wall somewhere in the house, will you have to pay for a license for him, too?
How much farther will these shitbags go towards squeezing every penny possible out of multi-celled organism on the planet, before consumers, institutions, and corporations revolt against them?
I'm starting to think that the only government action that could possibly stop these jackals from misbehaving would involve the use of a small tactical nuke, air burst over their headquarters.
~Philly
This works for me. Here's why: (Score:2)
"Hello, Microsoft, our Windows won't work on our Mac."
"Um, Windows doesn't work on Mac"
"But the terms of this license says I get to run Windows on the Mac. So, can I arrange for you to bring a small programming team down here, say a couple of thousand member are so?"
Simple Solution (Score:2, Informative)
From http://www.microsoft.com/education/?ID=SAcalculato r#pc
Counting Eligible PCs
School Agreement requires an institution-wide commitment. To that end, you must include all of the eligible PCs in the participating school(s) or district. Eligible PCs include all of the Pentium machines, Power Macs, iMacs or better.
The solution is simple: Buy "AMD machines" and don't count them when licensing comes around.
If Microsoft wants to treat the customers as idiots (which I will suggest more than half typically are) perhaps those that aren't idiots should act like it and not count the AMD machines.
And just so you know. This kind of stuff *does* happen, and oftentimes it *is* intentional. I'll count the iMacs, but I'm not counting the AMDs.
Take notice, kids. (Score:2)
An orangish coloured box with a picture of a vacuum cleaner on it, over which are the words "Clean Business?" . The ad then flips to just the background with the following message:
Our aim is to remove the growing threat of piracy.
For further information on the resources available, including details on the authorised distribution channel, click here.
Microsoft
Coincedence, or has that ad with the thinly veiled threat of software auditing been placed there specifically to pound home a message?
I laughed when I realised what the Reg was doing. Summary: We have a story about MS being unreasonable in thier licensing on which we have an ad threatening businesses with audits, more evidence of how heavy handed they are in regards to licensing. The kicker? Microsoft likely paid to have the ad on the Reg, and the Reg, in true BOFH style, shoved thier nose in it.
I wonder how long the ad will last on that page...
Soko
Sorry now I *really* don't see the problem. (Score:2, Informative)
Age Old Microsoft Business Practice (Score:2, Interesting)
As detailed in Jerry Kaplan's excellent book Startup: A Silicon Valley Adventure [amazon.com], about the rise and fall of the GO Corporation, one of the first anti-trust cases to be brought up against Microsoft involved a very similar license (circa late-80's, early-90's).
Basically, every retailer who wanted to sell Microsoft products (and who didn't - even then it was very popular software) had to sign a contract with Microsoft stating that for every competitor's product they sell, they had to pay a 100% royalty back to Microsoft! (you read that right - here's a quick example: if the retailer buys both a MS product and a GO product for $50 a piece, and typically doubles the price to $100 to make a profit, they'd have to pay Microsoft $50 if they sold the GO product, so the retailer is basically forced to sell the GO product for double their usual markup ($150) - 50 to GO, 50 to Microsoft, and 50 to themselves). And as icing on the cake, the retailer wasn't allowed to mention the terms of the contract to anyone.
The only way GO eventually found out was from a rare retailer who had seen the contract, but decided not to sign it (and therefore not to sell any MS products in his store).
Bizarre? I'd say. Illegal? Oh yeah. I think that's a text-book definition of anti-competitive behavior. And it's basically the exact same thing they're doing to the schools - the school still has to pay Microsoft for using a competing product.
Sadly, the DOJ didn't pursue it to closure because they couldn't get enough witnesses (they were too scared to lose Microsoft's business).
(OT: it's a great book, read it if you get a chance - it should have been required-reading for all dot-coms).
Napalm LIcensing Terms (Score:2)
Come, now, are these for real, or were they just made up to inflame the trolls of Slashdot?
I have experience with this. (Score:5, Insightful)
Schools can't afford that - what $400 equated to in a school of 600 with 100 computers, was literally the entire IT budget. The school I'm involved with rejected the "offer", only to be told that doing so meant they were no longer licensed to use Windows or any other Microsoft product - even those supplied OEM. That is, "since you broke the contract here, we're nullifying every EULA you've ever seen!"
My school has since switched to 100% non-Microsoft products (Sun, Linux, some macs) and haven't regretted it since. They're able to use older machines as thin-clients of sorts, and with a couple of bright students and a lot of learning, they haven't needed to look back.
The Department of Education are not amused, and neither I imagine are Microsoft. Education Queensland have used the carrot ("but this is so much easier to account for than Linux, and here, we'll give you 10% more IT budget than last year...") and the stick (need I say more?) approach, but it so far hasn't worked.
Yeah, it sucks, but did you look at the pricing? (Score:5, Interesting)
Windows upgrades $18
Core $15
Office $24
all three of the above $48
SQL server, Visio, FrontPage, Project, Publisher $5 (each)
Vis Studio $2
Looking at their education main page, I believe that this is an annual license fee. However, let's assume you're the head of I.T. for a school district. Do you really think you're going to get a better deal than that for those licenses?
Don't think so. So, you swallow your indignation (if you have any), and buck up...
First ones for free ... (Score:3, Insightful)
I couldn't care what the prices currently listed are. It's what they'll be when they've got you hooked that count. If you have 500 Macs and 20 PCs and you're charged for all 520, you might purchase PCs at the next computer purchase round. Thinking it's "cheaper" to "standardize". Then what will they be charging?
It's never better to set yourself up to be bled dry.
This might explain some things... (Score:4, Informative)
You might find it helpful to open this page [microsoft.com] while reading this message, as it gives you a very clear overview of the different licensing options MS has.
This is School Agreement 3.0 that the article is referring to. Way before SA 3.0, there was SA 1.0. The 1.0 agreement was designed to give schools a fixed-price-per-year subscription for everything they could possibly want software-wise. There are plenty of other academic licensing options available.. this one was incredibly cheap (roughly $50 per seat per year max, decreases dramatically in volume) and makes sure you've got everything covered. Education is a unique market to sell software (assuming they are going to purchase software and not use open source) because money comes through an annual budgeting process. If a school can say that they have (x) computers and each one costs (x) in each budget cycle to keep in software, that's something that can be planned for. Buying software (er, anything) when needed is darn near impossible in many schools. The other advantage is that when a new machine is purchased, Microsoft includes it on the license until the next yearly cycle. Therefore, if you have 100 machines, you can buy 500 more without any software and be immediately licensed without any charge until the next year, when you pay Microsoft for 600 seats. Because of the free-software-for-new-boxen clause (which is VERY helpful... software acquisiton budgets and hardware acquisition budgets often do not coincide) Microsoft requires that every box in the school be included. This is only one of many options!
The reason Macs were included was dualfold - the agreement covers BackOffice Client Access Licenses, for one - for consistency, Microsoft doesn't want you dealing with having some computers covered for BackOffice and others not, thereby allowing you to 'fudge' on your servers - and the inclusion of various Mac-based software (office:mac, etc.)
Would this be a bad license if it was intended for everyone or the only option? Yes. Did it save my school in budget crunches becasue current software we needed (While open source is nice, let's be honest - it's neither designed for nor up to the usability needed for an educational deployment) could be billed as a required expense instead of an optional upgrade was available? Yes.
Now the confusion came up when Microsoft redid the license as School Agreement 3.0. Now, instead of receiving a package (which included Windows, Visual Studio, Office, BackOffice CAL, etc.), institutions can pick and choose products. The old option is still available for roughly the same price as a "desktop/client bundle" plus a few upgrades (Visual Studio is $2 a seat, for instance). There are a few minor differences which are detailed on the Microsoft licensing website... and a few changes for the better, like allowing schools to buy Microsoft software and simply give it to their students. (This is a great development for Visual Studio, for instance... Pay $2 per student in a CS course and they get development tools. Is it a GNU tool? Nope, but it does create young coders who will discover open source later.)
Because the basic premise of the agreement is the same, and options can be added and subtracted, they apparently didn't change the counting restrictions since 1.0. The difference now is that because you can order only certain products, people who don't fully buy into the plan and *only* purchase PC products wind up buying more licenses than they otherwise should. If this happens, school agreement should be avoided at all costs. IMHO you should only buy into this arrangement if you as a school want a large percentages of the stuff; simply licensing Windows is not productive here.
To be fair to Microsoft, pricing on these licenses takes into account the fact that the software will probably not be used on every box. Think about it... a single license for Visual Studio.NET Pro Academic runs $99, while the per seat cost here is $2. They're obviously recognizing that secretaries and many teachers' desk machines won't be running Visual Studio. In the case of Windows, the license cost is $18. That is far less than a volume license of an NT-based professional OS has ever cost in 100-300 unit quantities - so the acknoweldgement is made that not every machine will be running Windows that is counted. (If it does, then you get an even better deal. That's why this only makes sense for some schools.) This "subpricing" strategy is not something I made up - they do detail it on their licensing site.
If interested, these are the prices:
Please mod this message up - the discussions so far haven't been acknowledging what the license is really about. For a task that is already very difficult (especially for those of us who'd rather not buy the stuff to begin wtih), School Agreement makes school IT admins who are forced to work wtih MS products' jobs much easier and (when signed properly) can save money.
Ben
Re:MS aren't stupid.. (Score:2, Insightful)