
VeriSign Buys .tv 266
Mike Damm writes: "As everyone is so worried about Microsoft these days, another monopoly is slipping through the cracks. VeriSign has paid the country of Tuvalu $45 million in cash for The .TV Corporation, as stated by this press release. Same great service, different obscure TLD!"
At least... (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:At least... (Score:2)
Re:At least... (Score:2)
It's just another example of a vague, unspecified government giveaway that turns into a free money monopoly for big business.
Re:At least... (Score:2)
That's not true at all -- Before, the NSF was paying NSI $70 for every registration. That was the original contract they agreed to with NSI.
After a while, the NSF said, "We can't afford to keep paying for everyone's domain registration!" and renegotiated the contract with NSI such that NSI would charge end users directly.
Still, there were protests. They went like this:
"I shouldn't have to pay you for a domain! Change things back the way they used to be!"
"Oh, you mean you want everyone's tax dollars to pay for domain registration?"
"Uh, gee, i mean, uh..."
Re:At least... (Score:2)
Re:At least... (Score:2, Interesting)
What I don't understand is how they can sell it twice; I thought they already sold it a while ago [slashdot.org].
I'm not sure why Verisign would give that much. I mean, does anyone actually buy
Re:At least... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:At least... (Score:2)
> constitutional monarchy. Of 10,000 people.
Technically, yeah, but read down a little further and you find out their constitutional monarch is--Queen Elizabeth II! So the local prime minister/parliament really are running the show; difficult to tell from the Factbook entry how democratic they are; current prime minister took over because last one dropped dead of a heart attack (best rule of thumb to how much true democracy there is in a "democracy" is to see how often the head honcho changes because of an election).
Chris Mattern
Re:At least... (Score:2)
Curiously enough, the Queen seems to actually wield some power in Tuvalu's case, appointing (via the Governor-General) the cabinet after consulting with the prime minister. Then the cabinet elects the next prime minister. Actually an interesting little closed system, with power circulating among a few people who can continually vote themselves another term. Not exactly democratic, but I think it's hard for a state with a population of 10,000 (less than half the size of my old college!) to be truly despotic.
Re: At least... (Score:3, Interesting)
Tuvalu is also quite poor; a group of sandy islands with few natural resorces and little industry. The gov't gets much of its money from selling stamps and coins. And now, from selling its TLD for $45 million. Great deal for them, probably.
There is an advantage... (Score:2, Funny)
Monopoly? (Score:2)
B) They haven't screwed me over yet, unlike certain other registrars with the tokens "domains" "at" "cost" and "ca" in their domain address.
Re:Monopoly? (Score:1)
Re:Monopoly? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Monopoly? (Score:2)
Re:Monopoly? (Score:2)
Re:DaC blows (Score:2)
I tried emailing him directly but he ignored my email I think.
Not a big deal really... (Score:1)
Oh and of course you can always change your root
Great (Score:1)
Just the domain? (Score:1)
Re:Just the domain? (Score:1)
Re:Just the domain? (Score:2, Funny)
Thats a pretty unamerican thing to say.
Why even human meat (longpig [manbeef.com]) is for sale.
It was interesting in it's time..... (Score:1)
God, I'm glad the bubble crashed so I can get back to the Mac vs. Windows debate with my friends.
Re:It was interesting in it's time..... (Score:3, Interesting)
There's still
And in a related story... (Score:2, Interesting)
...verisign loses $44.8 million dollars on the
I can't believe people are still dealing out big cash for lame TLDs, what is this, '98?
Re:And in a related story... (Score:2)
Why... (Score:1)
Verisign is positioning itself . . . (Score:2, Funny)
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Versign gives horrid service....... (Score:1)
Personally I would like to see another class action against Verisgin (I belive there was or is currently one going on). The government has given them too much power and they simply abuse it. Buying the
What is next? The Weyland Corporation running everything?
Tuvalu (Score:1)
This could be prevented (Score:1)
Why not have a domain especially for television stations, auction sites, brick and mortar stores, and xxx sites? Finding what we want (and avoiding what we don't) would be tons easier, and there wouldn't have to be monopolies on small countries' domain names to make it possible.
Is this like... (Score:1)
The story says VeriSign bought
Re:Is this like... (Score:2)
Well, the Prime Minister is correct, the poster is wrong. Tuvalu sold the rights to .tv
two years ago [mycareer.com.au] to a company called Idealab for $50 million. So Idealab lost money. Now Verisign is buying it for less than that. Big deal.
I thought this idiocy was over... (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:I thought this idiocy was over... (Score:3, Interesting)
You know the implosion after the Internet explosion has fooled a lot of people in thinking that there is NO money on the net: In reality there are billions. If CBS figures that Joe Sixpack will have a easier time remembering survivor.tv, then they'll poney up the money for it. There are billions of dollars circling the globe daily for generally trivial things, so a logical URL doesn't seem that bizarre.
DotTV was there first? (Score:1)
Social Statement! (Score:2)
Yes! domain name blow-up-your.tv is available! $50/year!
Maybe I'm mistaken, but wasn't there already a
Man, if I only had a fixed IP address...
Re:Social Statement! (Score:2)
Re:Social Statement! (Score:2)
OLD NEWS!!! (Score:1)
Wake up please!
no.... (Score:2)
Dispersion of TLD's (Score:1)
It is getting to the point that people that are trying to squat on thousands of addresses would go broke trying to maintain them all.
Who cares about .tv??? (Score:1)
I could see television stations wanting one, but for other people there are plenty of other options including the new .info and .biz domains.
No offence here but... (Score:1)
Frankly, most TV channels prefer to have a
Now, my other problem is about
Fun with numbers (Score:2, Interesting)
for 2000.
Numbers are fun.
Re:Fun with numbers (Score:2)
Write down a number on paper, then show it to someone else. See whether they laugh or enjoy it. I bet they'll just think your disturbed.
I know, I've done this.
Re:Fun with numbers (Score:2)
Re:Fun with numbers (Score:2)
Is this 100% firm? (Score:2, Interesting)
Statements in this announcement other than historical data and information constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934.
Looks to me like it hasn't yet been approved by the SEC? I can't imagine they'd have a problem with it, but it's not really news until the deal is firm.
Re:Is this 100% firm? (Score:2, Funny)
This statement is SOP for any publicly traded company. You see, a company makes a statement, an investor acts based upon that statement, and if the stock ends up going south because the statement proves false somehow (a merger doesn't go through, product delay, whatever) the investor might think he can sue the company. Therefore, all publicly traded companies have some sort of "forward looking statement" disclaimer that says "hey... we're just guessing, here." It's a very complex way of abdicating responsibility.
My wife is an investment banker, and she sent me an email telling me to pick up milk on the way home from work, and the server automatically appended that disclaimer onto the bottom of the message. Trust me, my milk purchasing habits are not pending SEC approval.
Feynman wasn't here (Score:5, Funny)
Weird moderation? (Score:2)
Troll=1, Informative=3, Overrated=1, Underrated=1, Total=6.
The 'troll' mod in particular makes me a bit confused, but both the 'under' and 'overrated' are odd, too. Is there some storm of oddball mods going on?
As an owner of a .tv domain (Score:2)
But how long can they keep it for? (Score:2)
TLD standards being destroyed. (Score:2, Insightful)
I think InterNIC should step in and stop this deal. 2 letter TLD's are supposed to be used as contry TLD. This is a convention as old as the Internet itself (and I'm sure will be in a RFC somewhere.) It does not make sense for a TLD that was reserved for a country to be sold or bargained for commercial interest. .tv was 'given' to Tuvalu to
manage, not sell. It doesn't technically belong to them. The standard
belongs to everyone. If Tuvalu doesn't want to manage their
TLD, that's fine. But VeriSign should not be allowed to step in and
munge the standard to sell .tv the way you would a .com.
too late (Score:2)
Does it really matter, though (Score:3, Insightful)
Personally, I don't think that the ".tv" domain will make any kind of big splash without a major marketing push. People look for ".com", then ".net", then ".org". Anything beyond those major TLDs rarely crosses the mind of most surfers. Hell, most people (who don't deal with it every day) have to be *reminded* about ".gov", thus the success of www.whitehouse.com (link intentionally left un-linked.
Re:Does it really matter, though (Score:2)
Just my opinion, though. Good point! If I had mod points, I'd throw one your way.
--SC
Re:Does it really matter, though (Score:2)
Don't forget the secretive
Wait, no, I didn't say that!
I'm probably a threat to (U.S.) national security now.
Re:Does it really matter, though (Score:2)
Verisign does not have good service. But anyone with a
By buying
The significance of the TV domains is (Score:2)
I just keep think of the Dire Straits song: "I want my M.TV..."
What about the country itself (Score:5, Interesting)
Is this $45 million a one time lump sum, and is so, does this mean that Tuvalu itself has completely given up ownership of its domain (so if a Tuvalu company wanted to register, they'd have to go through Verisign like everyone else?)
Re:What about the country itself (Score:3, Informative)
The country basically lives off a trust fund established years ago, and makes money from selling off phone numbers from its 900 area code and (previously) its
Re:What about the country itself (Score:2)
Yeah, but the shipping costs wouldn't be cheap
What happens when Tuvalu no longer exists...? (Score:3, Funny)
I'm rather taken aback that the British parliament recently launched a web site at www.parliamentlive.tv. The home page just says 'live webcasting of parliament' without even mentioning which parliament they broadcast.
I think it would be reasonable to assume that they must be broadcasting the parliament of Tuvalu...
Re:What happens when Tuvalu no longer exists...? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:What happens when Tuvalu no longer exists...? (Score:2)
Re:What happens when Tuvalu no longer exists...? (Score:2)
Well, the .KW TLD did go away completely for a little while at one point (due to the minor disruptions associated with the invasion of the Iraqi army). That was before VeriSign and ICANN, though....
It's back now [kuwait.kw], of course.
Ads for the .TV TLD (Score:2)
Sounds to me like VeriSign, or perhaps some other bidder was attempting to hype up the potential for it before they were able to obtain it. Or perhaps it was the country doing it, in anticipation of a large sale. Who knows.
-Restil
TVGuide already has a bunch of them (Score:2)
a private tld (Score:2, Insightful)
Irony (Score:2)
$100,000 for the premium domain free.tv.
Make Verisign Pay! (Score:2)
"Uh, sir, that domain is used by men that wear women's clothing!", says the techie.
"Damn, you mean like those joke photos from the InterWeb Mail that I get from my golfing buddies?", retorts the boss.
"Uh, yea, I-I-I think so...", quivers the techie.
As my mom always said, "Payback is a bitch!".
Microsoft buys .NET (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Microsoft buys .NET (Score:2)
Re:Microsoft buys .NET (Score:5, Funny)
Microsoft is now proud to announce several sites in it's new domain:
Fear.US
Hate.US
BugsR.US
BuyFrom.US
IncompatibleR.US
Monopoly?Who.US?
TheNetBelongsTo.US
CantGetAwayFrom.US
GiveYourMoneyTo.US
and, the ever popular
AllYourBaseAreBelongTo.US
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Speaking of the .US TLD... (Score:4, Funny)
</SARCASM>
How ironic.... (Score:2)
Re:How ironic.... (Score:2)
When people complain about VeriSign, it's always about the customer service. But the part of VeriSign that has end-user customers, the registrar, is NOT a monopoly.
The part of VeriSign that has a monopoly is the Registry, and nobody ever complains about their customer service, because the registry's only customers are the registrars.
Gotta get a bitchin' domain name : ) (Score:2)
Seriously though,
Tuvalu needs the money (Score:5, Informative)
i guess what i am trying to get at is that they arent doing it because some corporation has forced them into doing it, but they did it because they needed the money. domains may not be popular forever and at least they are trying to be self sufficient instead of simply sitting back and relying on others to foot their bills. the US$37M in their trust fund wont last forever. US$45M goes a long way. and they are doing some pretty neat things with it (education for life programs, etc...). ok so it may not be the best way to finance a government, but when its the only one you've got....
Tuvalu Already Sold .TV to .TV Corporation (Score:2, Informative)
Not a bad deal... (Score:2, Funny)
Bad move in my mind. (Score:2, Insightful)
Verisign == Transvestites? (Score:2)
Tuvalu is sinking (Score:2)
Hmn (Score:2)
All.your.TV/are/belong/to/us
(Apologies)
Start Out Own Gov.... (Score:2)
Super Bowl Advertisment? (Score:2)
Maybe during the Super Bowl...Now that would be a commercial to see. Worth staying in front of the TV...
I want a cut if you do it, Verisign!!!
Domains are not property. (Score:2)
At least "intellectual property" (e.g. software, art) has something sorta real attached to it, even if it's not always tangible. But this is even less tangible. Domains are just a contract with ICANN, whose policies the root server operators presumably obey.
Of course, there's nothing wrong with buying and selling contracts (e.g. commodities futures) but at least there's something real behind these contracts (e.g. the commodities themselves) even if you never see it. But a contract with ICANN is just .. nothing. It's absolutely blind faith with nothing
backing it up, except inertia. I thought currency not backed by gold was bad, but at least
it has society's approval: we print "This note is legal tender" on it and
approximately 100% of the population wants it to have value.
But this, unlike money, is something that most regular people
don't care about. If someone makes it easy to switch namespaces and gives
them a decent reason to do it, people will abandon it.
These guys just risked 45 megabucks on something as robust as Win^H^H^H a snowflake.
The thing is, now they are going to have to treat this domain, as if it were property, to make their investment have meaning. This means they must spend even more money on lawyers, lobbyists, and other expenses in order to maintain the status quo for DNS and the DNS-using population. Alternate roots will be frowned upon, and something like a completely overhaul of the namespace, simply cannot be allowed to happen.
Fortunately for them, most ISPs these days are owned by megacorps, who will be happy to make deals to insure stability. But it's still a pretty precarious situation. I hope these guys aren't part of my mutual fund.
Re:How many of these new domains? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:How many of these new domains? (Score:2)
Re:How many of these new domains? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:How many of these new domains? (Score:4, Interesting)
"There's a sucker born every minute" -- P. T. Barnum, I believe.
Sometimes I think the reason most smart people don't get rich selling, as you say, crap, to the dummies, is that most smart people can't imagine anyone that stupid. Sadly, such people exist. Frighteningly, they vote.
Re:How many of these new domains? (Score:2)
thanks (Score:1)
Chest of Trinkets (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Chest of Trinkets (Score:2)
timetables (Score:1)
when *don't* monopoliies hurt people
ps what the hell happened to questionexchange.com? it looks gone forever
interesting policy (Score:2)
I assume Microsoft has reserved it. But not registered it. Or maybe they're screening out trademark violations? I don't know. Looking in their WHOIS for microsoft.tv gives you this oh so valuable information "microsoft.tv is not available."
Um, yeah. That's exactly what a WHOIS should tell me. It's not available, but not registered. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the twilight zone.
This is apparently their policy:
"What is WHOIS?
A WHOIS lookup enables you to find the registered owner of a domain in the central Shared Registry System. For
So they say they're not going to follow ICANN's policy. Neato.
abc.tv is registered (hey it expires in December if anyone wants to see if they forget about renewing it) and has a normal WHOIS. Darn, someone's already registered brianwhite.tv. Hmm, but the registration expired over a month ago:
Record expires on: Dec 8 2001, weird.
"What will happen to my Web address if I do not renew?
If you choose not to renew your Web address, the address will become available for registration after the expiration date. At this time, the Web address will be placed back into our inventory and can be registered on a first-come, first-serve basis.
"