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Athlon Motherboards And Chipsets Under Linux

Posted by CmdrTaco on Wed May 31, 2000 04:28 PM
from the do-they-work? dept.
appletnc from linhardware.com points us to their article about Athlons and Linux. They're trying to sort out the compatibility problems rumored to exist with the boards and chipsets. He says "Despite SuSE's Athlon workaround and RedHat's (in)compatibility note, etc.) and rumors, we have not seen many reports of problems by LhD users. Are Linux users actually experiencing problems with Athlon motherboards? Given that the outstanding price/performance value of the Athlon, the question is how well do Athlon motherboards work under Linux?"
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  • Check your ram (Score:3)

    by CMiYC (6473) on Wednesday May 31 2000, @11:51AM (#1035316) Homepage
    Type 'free' and make sure linux is using all 256megs of RAM.... Sounds like its only using the first 64megs and swapping.... Even in the 2.2.x series, you sometimes still have to specifically put the APPEND="mem=256m" in lilo.conf ....

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  • Re:Memory? by jasno (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @11:51AM
  • Ask Alan Cox by LinuxGeek (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @11:51AM
  • Onboard K7M soundcard by lobi (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @11:56PM
  • Don't Know About Athlon, but ... by Hapless (Score:1) Thursday June 01 2000, @12:08AM
  • Re:no problems here by oingoboingo (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @02:36PM
  • No Sound (Was: fine on the left coast) by Lathi- (Score:1) Thursday June 01 2000, @01:20AM
  • Re:Check your ram by Nick Ives (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @02:38PM
  • Asus k7v...not Asus's best... by Spoing (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @02:38PM
  • Hear, Hear! by Scott-W (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @02:44PM
  • Do they have the M$ flags too ? by aerios (Score:1) Thursday June 01 2000, @02:35AM
  • Shuttle AI61 by zerblinitzky (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @02:46PM
  • I love my Athlon! by Cyno (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @02:48PM
  • well... by shawnkirst (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @02:59PM
  • Athlon and SD 11 problems by The Muffin Man (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @03:04PM
  • by nd (20186) <`nd' `at' `kracked.com'> on Wednesday May 31 2000, @11:52AM (#1035331) Homepage
    I have an Athlon 750 w/ the ASUS K7V (KX133) board.

    An interesting note about this board is that on the box, listed among its various features is a Linux 'icon', with a checkmark and the text "linux-tested.com". Apparantly this is some sort of certification for Linux hardware.

    I was curious about this, so I went to linux-tested.com and read up. Asus actually paid these guys money to put this board through various Linux tests (both distro and non-distro specific), and it passed everything. This is a really nice thing for Asus to do, and I thank them for it.
  • k7m cache performance by ZarfMouse (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @11:53AM
  • It Kinda Depends by Fat Lenny (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @11:54AM
  • Re:Mine is good by kdgarris (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @11:56AM
  • Perf problems may be kernel issue, !KDE, !Athlon by Mr Z (Score:2) Thursday June 01 2000, @02:45AM
  • Re:suse 6.4 sucks by clancey (Score:1) Thursday June 01 2000, @02:55AM
  • AMD == Window$ lover by irjvik (Score:1) Thursday June 01 2000, @03:11AM
  • Dual Mobos? by Kludge (Score:1) Thursday June 01 2000, @03:32AM
  • FIC SD-11 r1.8 + RedHat 6.2 = No Problemo! by dburr (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @03:11PM
  • Athlon 600 on a FIC SD-11 by minniger (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @03:12PM
  • Re:SuSE only! by MeanGene (Score:1) Thursday June 01 2000, @03:34AM
  • Re:K6 can't do SMP, Athlon can by hetfield (Score:1) Thursday June 01 2000, @03:47AM
  • Red Hat? Well, *fancy that*... by Roland Walter Dutton (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @03:16PM
  • Mine is good by slycer (Score:2) Wednesday May 31 2000, @11:32AM
  • Athlon/Linux by hardhead (Score:1) Thursday June 01 2000, @03:52AM
  • AMD K7 by ricotj (Score:2) Wednesday May 31 2000, @11:33AM
  • Gigabyte 7IX /w Athlon 550 by ocasek (Score:1) Thursday June 01 2000, @04:07AM
  • Athlon & Linux by #define (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @03:33PM
  • no problems here (Score:3)

    by rifter (147452) on Wednesday May 31 2000, @11:34AM (#1035349) Homepage

    I have set up a couple machines with Mandrake 7 (sweet install, BTW) with no issues at all. Athlon 700 and 550's, Microstar 6167 and Abit KA7 (rockin boards in their respective generations)and have sen no problems.

    A friend with the Microstar and a 750 Athlon also seems to be cruising fine. Not sure whast the fuss is about...

  • Problems? Never. by Septor (Score:1) Thursday June 01 2000, @04:18AM
  • Re:Check your ram by mihalis (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @03:37PM
  • I/O Sluggishness (was: 2 cents..) by seer (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @03:41PM
  • Alls fine on the left coast by Myth (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @11:37AM
  • Experiences by EverCode (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @11:56AM
  • Article sounds like something Microsoft might say! by .torq (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @11:58AM
  • Slack 7.0 Works by bubbalou (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @11:58AM
  • Re:Well... by zyklone (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @11:58AM
  • Re:FIC motherboard and 700Mhz RH 6.2 No problems by Duke of Org (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @11:59AM
  • Re:Not a problem, sorta by MrPoopyPants (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @12:01PM
  • I have an issue... by rm -rf /etc/* (Score:2) Wednesday May 31 2000, @12:01PM
  • I have no end of problems by the_other_one (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @12:01PM
  • 2 cents.. (Score:4)

    by John Fulmer (5840) on Wednesday May 31 2000, @12:02PM (#1035362)
    Just built a Athlon 650 on a FIC SD-11, which is probably the weirdest Athlon motherboard out there. Not bad, just weird and somewhat picky.

    There were some issues:

    1) The VIA ATA/66 chipset on board + linux didn't like my Maxtor 30GB HD using DMA when my CD-RW drive was running, and would cause hard locks. I replaced it with a Seagate ATA/66 IDE drive, and all is well.

    2) The Irongate AGP is only recently well supported for DRI, and probably still needs some polish.

    3) The interactivity does get somewhat sluggish with XFree 4.0 when there is a lot of hard drive activity.

    4) The interactivity under X was extremely slow until I turned on UDMA on the hard drive using hdparm.

    That all said, the system is quite fast and extremely stable, once I got the HD situation figured out.

    I think that the IDE support needs some work for VIA Athlon chipsets (which is an experimental patch for the kernel, BTW), but other than that, no problems.

    jf
  • No problems here by strombrg (Score:1) Thursday June 01 2000, @06:10AM
  • Re:I have an issue... by mugoi (Score:1) Thursday June 01 2000, @06:27AM
  • OUTSTANDING PRICE/PERFORMANCE?? by eshaft (Score:1) Thursday June 01 2000, @06:52AM
  • Re:2 cents.. by FlyingDragon (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @03:46PM
  • Asus K7M WORKS by Signal 11 (Score:2) Wednesday May 31 2000, @03:50PM
  • MSI-6195 + Athlon 800 = setiathome lockups by rsmith (Score:1) Thursday June 01 2000, @09:15AM
  • Mtrr issues by raistlinne (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @04:02PM
  • Re:FIC motherboard and 700Mhz RH 6.2 No problems by Eil (Score:1) Friday June 02 2000, @07:39AM
  • Re:no problems here by casp_ (Score:1) Saturday June 03 2000, @09:23AM
  • Re:ASUS K7V -- Linux Tested & Certified by tjrw (Score:2) Wednesday May 31 2000, @04:26PM
  • Re:Magic smoke! by dltaylor (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @04:29PM
  • Magic smoke! by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @12:02PM
  • Rock solid but lacking ATA66 by MaymunCuk (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @12:03PM
  • Incompatibility? by Anabas (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @12:04PM
  • Re:Athelon works, I think... by retep (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @12:06PM
  • Re:Yeah I have a problem by MadCamel (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @12:07PM
  • Problems? Where? by BRTB (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @12:07PM
  • ASUS K7M + Athlon by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @12:07PM
  • Athlon 750 on an ABIT KA7 mobo: by Wakko Warner (Score:2) Wednesday May 31 2000, @12:07PM
  • Re:k7m cache performance by mihalis (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @04:54PM
  • Re:Mine is good by whoop (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @05:03PM
  • Root cause by OceanWave (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @05:37PM
  • Re:2 cents.. by John Fulmer (Score:2) Wednesday May 31 2000, @05:39PM
  • Re:Get a compliant power supply by John Fulmer (Score:2) Wednesday May 31 2000, @05:47PM
  • agpgart's been non-functional by Greyfox (Score:2) Wednesday May 31 2000, @12:10PM
  • Athlon 700 and K7V by dtmf (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @12:10PM
  • Give the sound card its own IRQ? by Wakko Warner (Score:2) Wednesday May 31 2000, @12:11PM
  • Athlon 700 with BioStar Motherboard and Mandrake 7 by Elik (Score:2) Wednesday May 31 2000, @12:12PM
  • Re:Athlon Problems Explained by Shaolin Z (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @12:45PM
  • Re:Smokeless CPU? What is it? by DeepPurple (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @12:50PM
  • Re:no problems here by rifter (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @12:52PM
  • Smokeless CPU? What is it? by WhyteRabbyt (Score:2) Wednesday May 31 2000, @12:14PM
  • Works fine over here. by Tim_F (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @01:00PM
  • Debian Potato by Utter (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @01:05PM
  • Re:Big Athlon Problems!!! by fsck (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @01:06PM
  • Re:Remember.. by fsck (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @01:07PM
  • Re:Alls fine on the left coast by Lathi- (Score:2) Wednesday May 31 2000, @05:48PM
  • by TheGreek (2403) on Wednesday May 31 2000, @05:52PM (#1035400)
    I had a similar problem. I bought an Athlon 750 with an Asus K7M Motherboard. I have 320MB of RAM now, but only 192MB when a friend of mine discovered the reason for the sluggishness:

    [I can only verify that this works on an Asus K7M and may not even work for your Asus K7M. Do not do this if you feel litigious or are just plain retarded. You have been warned.]

    Go into the BIOS setup area. Then go to Advanced. Arrow down to Internal cache. It might say write-thru or enabled or something. Hit F5. A little box will come up saying "Load Optimal Settings." Hit Enter. It should now say "Reserved." At this point, you need to go back into your other settings and configure things back the way you wanted them.

    As an aside, you have to go through this whole rigamarole EVERY TIME you enter the BIOS. Yay Asus.

    As another aside, a friend of mine discovered this while I was visiting him and other friends for a Local Area Network Object. This was a several-hundred-mile trip and involved the purchase of a moose. 3=) 3=) 3=).

  • OLD NEWS by cweed (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @05:54PM
  • Re:Mine is good by slycer (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @06:02PM
  • Athlon Under Linux Beats Anything Else on Athlon by VB (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @06:07PM
  • ASUS K7V Athlon by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @06:22PM
  • Booting the BIOS is the problem by kriston (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @06:23PM
  • My K7/600 and SD-11 work fine under RH 6.2 by Wee (Score:2) Wednesday May 31 2000, @12:14PM
  • Stability?? by esbjerg (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @12:17PM
  • Re:Mine is good by slycer (Score:2) Wednesday May 31 2000, @12:18PM
  • Gigabyte + Athlon 700 + V3 AGP = success by xant (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @12:18PM
  • SD11 was source of some problem by xeno (Score:2) Wednesday May 31 2000, @01:15PM
  • Re:Give the sound card its own IRQ? - didn't help by Mayor Quimby (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @01:16PM
  • Re:My 2 cents... by slycer (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @12:21PM
  • Stable by Sami (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @12:22PM
  • Re:Athlons... no multi cpu motherboards by G Money (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @01:20PM
  • Similar problems under BeOS... by jonr (Score:2) Wednesday May 31 2000, @01:21PM
  • Re:K6 can't do SMP, Athlon can by rnd() (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @01:21PM
  • Re:OSS obviously ain't too nimble by Wakko Warner (Score:2) Wednesday May 31 2000, @01:23PM
  • by fsck (120820) on Wednesday May 31 2000, @01:26PM (#1035418) Homepage
    http://www.irisa.fr/prive /dmentre/smp-faq/smp-howto-3.html [irisa.fr]

    3. x86 architecture specific questions

    1.Can I use my Cyrix/AMD/non-Intel CPU in SMP?

    Short answer: no.

    Long answer: Intel claims ownership to the APIC SMP scheme, and unless a company licenses it from Intel they may not use it. There are currently no companies that have done so. (This of course can change in the future) FYI - Both Cyrix and AMD support the non-proprietary OpenPIC SMP standard but currently there are no motherboards that use it.
  • A good mobo... by Zule_Boy (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @01:33PM
  • FIC motherboard and 700Mhz RH 6.2 No problems by willeg (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @11:39AM
  • by cave76 (25851) on Wednesday May 31 2000, @11:41AM (#1035421) Homepage

    Yeah, I've had tons of problems with Athlons and the chipsets. I can't afford one!!! Anyyone, feel free to send one on over and I'll be glad to tell you if I find any incompadibilities.
  • Re:ASUS K7M + Athlon by ToasterTester (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @06:26PM
  • Athelon works, I think... by SpookComix (Score:2) Wednesday May 31 2000, @11:41AM
  • No Problems by Dice (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @06:32PM
  • Corollary USED to be able to multi-process 486es by mr (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @06:40PM
  • by drig (5119) on Wednesday May 31 2000, @11:43AM (#1035426) Homepage Journal
    There were two problems with running Athlon machines. First, the Memory Type Register Range support was broken in old kernels. Any new distribution should support them. If the kernel hangs before mounting the drives, try a later versions.

    Second was the AGP problems. These are still getting worked out, but it looks like there are working drivers for certain kernel versions. I believe these are yet to be merged in the official kernels, but it can't be long now. This caused hangs when starting X Windows.

    Both are solved. The first was a real problem. It caused the machine to not boot. The second was only a problem if you wanted really fast 3D speeds.

    -Dave
  • Re:Memory? by heymull (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @06:42PM
  • Re:Remember.. by Foogle (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @06:50PM
  • Baloney! by chriscappuccio (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @11:44AM
  • My 2 cents... by NullGrey (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @11:44AM
  • Re:Smokeless CPU? What is it? by hgc (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @06:50PM
  • Linux runs just fine on my system. by Pyrite_ (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @07:43PM
  • MSI 6195+AMD 750+2940AU+2.2.15=minor problems by lebesgue (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @07:44PM
  • by Wee (17189) on Wednesday May 31 2000, @12:24PM (#1035434)
    From what I have read, it seems that K6 and Athalon are perfectly capible of SMP

    Nope, sorry. The Athlon can do SMP (one of the benefits of a redesign -- and of using the EV6). The K6 cannot do SMP.

    I've long looked at that pair of old K6-2/300 CPUs I have sitting left over and wished I could upgrade my MP3 server to an SMP box, but it's not to be. The K6-* chips can't handle SMP because of design limitations (and some patent hinkiness with Intel, if I recall correctly).

    A better question is when will the Athlon do SMP? AMD would do well to court the Linux/smaller server crowd and hand us an SMP-able chipset that we can use. Since Intel seems to be having problems delivering just about everything they "release", one would think AMD would jump at the chance to steal some of the workgroup/small server market from them like they've done with the dektop. Guess they're just too busy. Darn shame, too. Best way to get me to buy another AMD chip isn't with a faster clock speed (600MHz is plenty fast, thanks), it's by tempting me with SMP. Hell, they release an SMP chipset, they'll sell me two chips at once! :-)

    -B

  • Re:AGP problems (Score:4)

    by chainsaw1 (89967) on Wednesday May 31 2000, @12:25PM (#1035435)
    As the owner of an Athlon mobo (Asus K7M) and GeForce, I figured I would be through hell regarding the AGP. For those of you who don't know, there is an additional known hardware conflict between AGP on AMD Irongate-based chipset moherboards and the GeForce video cards.

    I have had RH 6.1 installed (since Feb) and I have not noticed anything. I have run XF86 3.3.5 and XF86 4.0 and only have seen one distoted artifact. It is a half inch strip of pixel coloration across the top of my screen, which probably is a result of the hardware nVidia driver for XF86. It goes away when the grey X background and mouse come onto the screen.

    I _did_ have AGP problems when running Q3A. The problem occured after playing Q3A for a while. The game would freeze up and begin repeating sound. I would have to reboot by telneting in from another machine (killing q3a only made the sound stop playing)

    Fortunately nVidia includes an option in XF86 4.0 that you can add to your XF86Config file to disable AGP:
    (put into your "Screen" section. this is also described in nVidia's FAQ for XF86 v4 installation)

    Option "NvAgp" "0"

    This will disable AGP under X at least for nvidia video cards running under XF86 v4.0. I would be anxious to know if this option helps/heleped out with any other AGP errors that might be presenting themselves to others...
  • My two bronze chits by Peter Hernberg (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @12:28PM
  • Example of mttr and agp on a Athlon. by Dante (Score:2) Wednesday May 31 2000, @12:35PM
  • Re:Not a problem, sorta (crap) by Lennie (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @01:33PM
  • Athlon a problem? by Kishar (Score:2) Wednesday May 31 2000, @12:35PM
  • Mine works great by sesca (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @12:35PM
  • I have no problems that I know of by X-Nc (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @01:36PM
  • Re:Ask Alan Cox by the eric conspiracy (Score:2) Wednesday May 31 2000, @01:38PM
  • by Coventry (3779) on Wednesday May 31 2000, @12:44PM (#1035443) Journal
    Dont be fooled! yes, you need to put 'APPEND="mem=256m" in lilo.conf, but then you ALSO need to run lilo on the command line in order for that setting to become active. Klilo will run lilo for you if you add the setting there and do a 'install' - but Klilo freaks on many distributions that put a listing for a floppy device boot option into lilo.conf... if you dont have a floppy mounted at the time you hit 'install' in Klilo, you'll get an error, and the new boot loader settings wont be used.
    for best results, edit /etc/lilo.conf with your favorite text editor (save a backup first) - and put 'APPEND="mem=256m"' on a new line in the listing for your default kernel, then save your changes, and just type 'lilo' on the command line.
    if lilo chokes, on a listing for a floppy boot kernel for example, try mounting a floppy, then running lilo... if it still chokes, you might have to remove the listing for the floppy boot option. (you can still overide this at the boot prompt if needbe to boot from whatever device you want)
    I had many an issue with this when I first started playing with linux - and everyplace I looked skipped over the fact that you need to run lilo after configuring lilo.conf
    Doh!

  • Re:Athelon works, I think... by Xenophon Fenderson, (Score:2) Wednesday May 31 2000, @01:45PM
  • Re:FIC motherboard and 700Mhz RH 6.2 No problems by Eil (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @01:47PM
  • Memory? by emil (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @11:44AM
  • Not a problem, sorta by Dr Caleb (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @11:45AM
  • A corporate conspiracy! by tcd004 (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @11:45AM
  • SuSE fix by Tei'ehm Teuw (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @11:46AM
  • Re:Works Great! by Luyseyal (Score:2) Wednesday May 31 2000, @11:46AM
  • only 1 small problem with my ABIT KA7 by Mayor Quimby (Score:2) Wednesday May 31 2000, @11:46AM
  • Re:Athelon works, I think... by jasno (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @11:46AM
  • Re:Athelon works, I think... by NetJunkie (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @11:48AM
  • The real question... by kurowski (Score:2) Wednesday May 31 2000, @11:48AM
  • Reporting in: K7M + nvidia TNT2 = Failure by de la mettrie (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @09:45PM
  • Re:AGP problems by jmv (Score:2) Wednesday May 31 2000, @01:51PM
  • What is stable? by holdp (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @09:56PM
  • Re:Athelon works, I think... by Eil (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @01:54PM
  • No problems at all. Biostar M7MKA + SCSI UW contr. by world_citizen (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @10:45PM
  • Gigabyte Mobo is OK too... by Corbin Dallas (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @01:58PM
  • Re:Example of mttr and agp on a Athlon. by rifter (Score:2) Wednesday May 31 2000, @02:00PM
  • Re:suse 6.4 sucks by world_citizen (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @10:54PM
  • Re:Athlon a problem? by Kishar (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @02:00PM
  • Re:FIC motherboard and 700Mhz RH 6.2 No problems by Duke of Org (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @11:09PM
  • Athlon 650 K7M board by smkndrkn (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @02:00PM
  • Re:Athelon works, I think... by slashdot-me (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @11:46PM
  • WORKSFORME by Eil (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @02:09PM
  • 1ghz athlon works fine here by dilvish_the_damned (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @02:16PM
  • SuSE only! by MeanGene (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @02:28PM
  • Fic SD-11 K7 550 by smackdaddy (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @11:49AM
  • Speaking as a vendor... by sunset (Score:1) Wednesday May 31 2000, @11:51AM
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