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Numbers Stations Move From Shortwave To VoIP

Posted by CowboyNeal on Thu Jun 01, 2006 08:51 PM
from the something-to-puzzle-over dept.
IO ERROR writes "For decades, intelligence agencies have been sending secret messages to their agents in the field using shortwave numbers stations broadcasting encrypted messages for all to hear and puzzle over. Now someone is putting numbers stations on VoIP telephone numbers for anyone to call, and posting messages to Craigslist to alert the recipients to the existence of their messages. One of them went up last month and now a second one has appeared. Will there be a third? Who's behind them? And can you crack the code?"

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[+] IT: VoIP Numbers Stations were Social Experiment 116 comments
IO ERROR writes "The mysterious phone number stations appearing on Craigslist for the last three months, which resembled their shortwave radio cousins, and which Slashdot reported on in June, were an experiment devised by security researcher Strom Carlson and a group of Los Angeles hackers to determine if encrypted messages could be passed using unwitting third parties to foil traffic analysis by hostile intelligence agencies. Carlson and the hackers presented their findings at DEFCON earlier today and gave away CDs with "Make your own Mein Fraulein station" kits and posted one final number station for people to try to decrypt."
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  • by LiquidCoooled (634315) on Thursday June 01 2006, @08:52PM (#15450541)
    I'm sure a lot of us have noticed the stange messages like this:

    OUTGOING
    (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous Coward on 21:04 1st August, 2005 (#13217474)
    HELLO WORLD
    38836 38836
    HELLO WORLD
    98481 98481 14101 14101 27700 27700 35003 35003 78743 78743
    55984 55984 36482 36482 48376 48376 17577 17577 25568 25568
    41432 41432 33120 33120 71600 71600 37482 37482 72016 72016
    18165 18165 97172 97172 06235 06235 09179 09179 66815 66815
    39131 39131 02234 02234 37138 37138 05015 05015 18609 18609
    15481 15481 26568 26568 76909 76909 14869 14869 84844 84844
    98467 98467 15173 15173 91438 91438 01957 01957 83393 83393
    55263 55263 02335 02335 39565 39565 33152 33152 48263 48263
    85656 85656 69752 69752 84232 84232 87361 87361 24560 24560
    98390 98390 28772 28772 59461 59461 31312 31312 14942 14942
    68574 68574 70946 70946 49109 49109 19694 19694 45323 45323
    65157 65157 98866 98866 64012 64012 72983 72983
    K-BYE

    They have been an oddity until now, but hearing about these numbers stations makes me think our very own slashdot is being used as a covert channel.

    Certainly piqued my curiosity more than once, it would be good to get to the bottom of it.

    Couple of examples here [slashdot.org] and here [slashdot.org], I've seen a few more, but they get lost quickly due to moderation.
    The second one I posted has a bit of info about its origins here and links to a user and an apparent initial source of the messages.
  • I deciphered it! (Score:4, Funny)

    by ScaryMonkey (886119) on Thursday June 01 2006, @08:55PM (#15450555)
    Always... drink... your... Ovaltine?
  • Doesn't that defeat secrecy? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by gd23ka (324741) on Thursday June 01 2006, @08:58PM (#15450565)
    (http://www.landoverbaptist.org/)
    I know it's the first thing that comes to mind but I'm sure They can monitor who calls ("tunes into") that phone number regularily. Broadcasts are anonymous and many people own shortwave radios, VOIP can be traced to a subscriber so what gives?
    • Re:Doesn't that defeat secrecy? (Score:5, Informative)

      by Technician (215283) on Thursday June 01 2006, @09:17PM (#15450668)
      I know it's the first thing that comes to mind but I'm sure They can monitor who calls ("tunes into") that phone number regularily. Broadcasts are anonymous and many people own shortwave radios, VOIP can be traced to a subscriber so what gives?

      You are thinging traditional VOIP subscriber. Buy an adaptor at ______ with cash. Activate it with a stolen card and ID. Hook it directly to a wireless access point in client mode. Wardrive near hotels. Park nearby for a couple days.

      It's much harder to pinpoint the source than a radio signal. RF Direction equipment can triangulate a HF signal quite quickly.
      [ Parent ]
      • Re:Doesn't that defeat secrecy? (Score:5, Interesting)

        by daranz (914716) <daranz@gmaiTOKYOl.com minus city> on Thursday June 01 2006, @09:35PM (#15450747)
        Still, number stations are pretty much a one way means of communication. The whole idea behind them is that they can be broadcast from a secure location (ie, from the territory of the state running the agents), and received by any number of recipients, without anyone being able to detect the fact that the transmission was received. In case of voip, both sides are detectable - even if not eaisly traceable.

        Also, the VoIP method is missing another point of the stations: with a radio station, you can remain tuned for as long as you wish, without the risk of detection increasing. Staying connected to a "number station" via VoIP means that you have to stay connected for prolonged amounts of time, increasing chances of detection, if only by a hotel employee who notes that someone was sitting on the hotel's wifi network for 24 hours. Besides, if one wants to use "number stations" over the Internet, one can simply post the numbers in any amount of places. It is easier and probably also safer to grab one text file off some FTP server, than it is to stay connected somewhere for a longer time. You might not get the message as fast then, but at least you're not sitting in a van next to your local Motel 6 for 3 days.
        [ Parent ]
      • Re:Doesn't that defeat secrecy? by gd23ka (Score:1) Thursday June 01 2006, @10:16PM
      • Re:Doesn't that defeat secrecy? (Score:4, Interesting)

        by harlows_monkeys (106428) on Thursday June 01 2006, @10:20PM (#15450965)
        (http://www.tzs.net/)
        You are thinging traditional VOIP subscriber. Buy an adaptor at ______ with cash. Activate it with a stolen card and ID. Hook it directly to a wireless access point in client mode. Wardrive near hotels. Park nearby for a couple days.

        So, basically, instead of using a fairly innocuous radio, which is easy to explain away if apprehended, you propose that the secret agent go around carrying stolen cards and stolen ID and wardrive? I think the general idea is for spies to not call attention to themselves, and engaging in two or three activities that might be illegal even if not connected with spying is probably not the best procedure!

        It's much harder to pinpoint the source than a radio signal. RF Direction equipment can triangulate a HF signal quite quickly.

        The numbers stations broadcast on shortwave frequencies whose signals carry very far, with plenty of bounces off the ionosphere. You can triangulate them to approximately what quarter-hemisphere they come from. And even if the exact location were found, it wouldn't help catch the spy receiving the signal, nor even give any indication that the signal is for a spy in your country.

        [ Parent ]
    • Re:Doesn't that defeat secrecy? by EverLurking (Score:3) Friday June 02 2006, @01:53AM
    • Re:Doesn't that defeat secrecy? by Betabug (Score:1) Friday June 02 2006, @02:46AM
    • Re:Doesn't that defeat secrecy? by takeya (Score:2) Friday June 02 2006, @07:42AM
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  • Eh, ok (Score:5, Insightful)

    by dk.r*nger (460754) on Thursday June 01 2006, @08:59PM (#15450570)
    The point of shortwave is that you can listen from anywhere, undetected.
    Calling a phone leaves a bunch of traces. There is really no discreet way for our man in Havana to call longdistance and listening to numbers for a few minutes.
    You could just put the numbers on a free website somewhere, or use email..
    • Re:Eh, ok by kognate (Score:3) Thursday June 01 2006, @09:03PM
      • Re:Eh, ok by buck_wild (Score:1) Thursday June 01 2006, @09:10PM
        • Re:Eh, ok by buck_wild (Score:2) Friday June 02 2006, @09:15PM
      • Re:Eh, ok by snuf23 (Score:2) Thursday June 01 2006, @09:45PM
      • Re:Eh, ok by Photon Ghoul (Score:3) Thursday June 01 2006, @10:04PM
        • Re:Eh, ok by gowen (Score:1) Friday June 02 2006, @06:51AM
      • Re:Eh, ok by colmore (Score:2) Friday June 02 2006, @12:05PM
    • Not Havana, but New York? by Bananatree3 (Score:3) Thursday June 01 2006, @11:18PM
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    • Re:Eh, ok by nytes (Score:1) Friday June 02 2006, @11:27AM
  • Cryptanalysts in love (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Sentri (910293) on Thursday June 01 2006, @09:02PM (#15450590)
    (http://www.google.com/)
    From one of the articles: "Update: Ryan Singel (of Wired) thinks it's just two young cryptanalysts in love, "sending love notes and taunting Mossad, the NSA and the phone phreakers at the same time." He also points to some links indicating those shortwave numbers stations are still around. Go take a listen."

    Cool. Not everyday you learn about an international conspiracy to broadcast numbers. If it were me, I would set up one of these to broadcast from SEALAND!!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealand [wikipedia.org]

    01010010 01101111 01110011 01100101 01110011 00100000 01100001 01110010 01100101 00100000 01110010 01100101 01100100 00101100 00100000 01110110 01101001 01101111 01101100 01100101 01110100 01110011 00100000 01100001 01110010 01100101 00100000 01110000 01110010 01100101 01110100 01110100 01111001 00001101 00001010 01110011 01101111 01101101 01100101 01110100 01101000 01101001 01101110 01100111 01110011 00100000 01100111 01101111 01101001 01101110 01100111 00100000 01100100 01101111 01110111 01101110 00100000 01101001 01101110 00100000 01110100 01101000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01100110 01100001 01101001 01110010 00100000 01100011 01101001 01110100 01111001 00001101 00001010 00001101 00001010 01000011 01110010 01111001 01110000 01110100 01100001 01101110 01100001 01101100 01111001 01110011 01110100 01110011 00100000 01101001 01101110 00100000 01101100 01101111 01110110 01100101 00111111 00100000 01101000 01101111 01110111 00100000 01100011 01110101 01110100 01100101 00101110 00001101 00001010 00001101 00001010 01001001 01101101 00100000 01101001 01101110 01110100 01110010 01101001 01100111 01110101 01100101 01100100 00100000 01100010 01111001 00100000 01110100 01101000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01110011 01101000 01101111 01110010 01110100 01110111 01100001 01110110 01100101 00100000 01101110 01110101 01101101 01100010 01100101 01110010 01110011 00100000 01110011 01110100 01100001 01110100 01101001 01101111 01101110 00100000 01110100 01101000 01101111 01110101 01100111 01101000 00101100 00100000 01110110 01100101 01110010 01111001 00100000 01100011 01101111 01101111 01101100 00101110

    (for some help with the above: http://nickciske.com/tools/binary.php [nickciske.com])
  • by wiz31337 (154231) on Thursday June 01 2006, @09:06PM (#15450606)
    Is anyone else getting database errors on the links now? The links worked the first time, but I can't get to either of them now.
  • Silly (Score:3, Interesting)

    by mccalli (323026) on Thursday June 01 2006, @09:06PM (#15450608)
    (http://www.eruvia.org/)
    Code or no code, VOIP is an awful lot easier to block and censor than short wave.

    Cheers,
    Ian

    • Double Silly by jspoon (Score:2) Thursday June 01 2006, @09:34PM
    • Re:Silly (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Dachannien (617929) on Thursday June 01 2006, @09:41PM (#15450777)
      (http://www.unity08.com/)
      I'm not sure about that. VoIP has an unrelated and legitimate commercial interest behind it to support it not being blocked solely based on the virtue of it being VoIP, and thus anybody wanting to jam/block particular VoIP calls would have to know ahead of time at what phone number the message was going to appear. And there are a lot of phone numbers ;)

      On the other hand, the various intelligence services have some pretty powerful jamming equipment that can render shortwave transmissions at least partially unintelligible. Numbers stations often work based on a schedule (in terms of both time and radio frequency), and once an intelligence service determines this schedule, they can wash out the frequency with crap at the appropriate time. Since the whole reason for numbers stations are that spies in the field are relatively incommunicado with their handlers, figuring out the schedule can have a fairly long-term impact on the spy being able to receive information and orders. In fact, the biggest question is likely where the jammer antenna should be positioned to ensure that the transmission will be jammed.
      [ Parent ]
      • Re:Silly by geekoid (Score:2) Friday June 02 2006, @06:21PM
      • Re:Silly by dkf (Score:2) Friday June 02 2006, @04:46AM
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  • hmmm.... (Score:1)

    by pretorious (905586) on Thursday June 01 2006, @09:12PM (#15450648)
    The code starts by identifying a group, could this be a use of a one time pad method of encryption ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_time_pads [wikipedia.org] )? that would also account for the insecure transmission, as even if it were intercepted, there would be no way to crack it. the only important thing is making it easily accessible.
    • Re:hmmm.... (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Sentri (910293) on Thursday June 01 2006, @09:23PM (#15450696)
      (http://www.google.com/)
      Thats why the choice of VOIP is so odd, because although it does provide easy access, the prepaid account was emptied, meaning that its no longer accessible.

      So its not the best way of doing it if you are really trying ot create a secure comms network. What would be better (though just as traceable) would be posting here, like first post said.

      but the shortwave system still trumps it.

      Lets analyse it:
      What do you want from a secure comms network aimed (as these are supposedly meant to be) at undercover agents
      1. Untraceable to the sender
      2. Untraceable to the reciever
      3. Universally Accessible
      4. Undecodable

      So we need something that is hard to find, easy to access and secure but hard to trace. Using something as logged and monitored as the internet would probably be a bad decision unless you use something like a coin operated internet kiosk to post and to retrieve, making it less accessible (in the here and now sense, a radio can arguably recieve information anywhere).

      So why leave shortwave?
      You wouldnt.

      Thus this is probably a hobbyist, or a practical joker, or a viral marketing meme, or an elaborate hoax.
      [ Parent ]
    • Re:hmmm.... by Shanep (Score:2) Friday June 02 2006, @09:49AM
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  • The Numbers? (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 01 2006, @09:13PM (#15450652)
    4 8 15 16 23 42
  • blog comment spam (Score:3, Interesting)

    by moosesocks (264553) on Thursday June 01 2006, @09:28PM (#15450719)
    (http://www.last.fm/user/schmod)
    Such messages also appear to be manifesting themselves as blog comment spam [boingboing.net].

    The numbers are always in 5 digit blocks too, just like the ones that another poster observed occuring here on slashdot [slashdot.org].

    This is either genuinely weird, or just someone playing an elaborate prank.

    I for one am intrigued, as I've seen the link-free spam messages crop up in all sorts of weird places...
  • Waste of time (Score:3, Funny)

    by caller9 (764851) on Thursday June 01 2006, @09:30PM (#15450724)
    So some ham radio freaks or cryptologists are playing tricks. Who gives half a crap?

    Want something really secure? Use one of those messages that self destruct like inspector gadget. As a bonus, it could really jack somebody up if thrown into their face. Also, they can be easily delivered by any method of transportation no matter how impossible, as evidenced by numerous Inspector Gadget episodes, where "the chief" maneuvers into some unthinkable situation only to have the tossed, usually over the shoulder, crumpled message end up giving him severe burns to his face and uppper body upon detination. Even when you go phew! because it totally missed you, guess what, you were wrong and you blow up anyway. Try and get with that hype shit NSA!
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  • I think this is obvious. (Score:4, Funny)

    by ScentCone (795499) on Thursday June 01 2006, @09:34PM (#15450740)
    It's the promo for Dan Brown's new book. All of the fashionable Masons are using VoIP for their rituals and world control these days.
  • 4 8 15 16 23 42 (Score:1)

    by JoshDM (741866) on Thursday June 01 2006, @09:35PM (#15450744)
    (http://www.joshdm.com/ | Last Journal: Friday February 16 2007, @11:14AM)
    Hike!
  • Conet Project (Score:5, Informative)

    by gEvil (beta) (945888) on Thursday June 01 2006, @09:35PM (#15450745)
    (http://evil.google.com/)
    Wow! 30 comments and no mention of the Conet Project. [archive.org] There's lots of great sound files there to make your officemates wonder what the hell you're up to...
  • by shakaru (874643) on Thursday June 01 2006, @09:37PM (#15450754)
    Im not going to say as to what is beign transmited or the reason for existance of an organization that a few fellows of mine have created a few years back, but this is really not an new thing. For a few years (sometime pre 1996) we have been passing encrypted messages ove the net through means such as Craiglist and more so any ad service. Except while we knew we were not the first ones to do this, it was about some time in 1998 that one of us recived an reply with a message of the same formating of "Hello world". Now because non of us knew anything of Hello World beyond that of the programing world, we thought nothing of it. Damn wish we held onto it. P.S. take five and run
  • Conet Project (Score:3, Interesting)

    by JMZorko (150414) on Thursday June 01 2006, @09:41PM (#15450775)
    (http://www.fallingyou.com/)

    I bought a 4 (or maybe 6?) CD set of numbers stations recordings several years ago, call The Conet Project. Since i'm big into experimental music, the idea intrigued me. While some of the recordings were downright spooky and disturbing (not necessarily a bad thing), I found it mostly to be soothing in a weird way (though after listening to 2 or 3 CDs of these recordings non-stop, it started getting a bit ... too weird).

    Regards,

    John

  • It's a *code* not a cipher (Score:5, Insightful)

    by crmartin (98227) on Thursday June 01 2006, @09:45PM (#15450798)
    Very likely you can't easily crack the code. reason: it's a true code, not a cipher. A real code assigns a symbol like '34187' to a word or phrase arbitrarily. Unlike ciphers, true codes are very difficult to crack without getting the key somehow, because there is very little redundancy to exploit statistically.
  • 1337 (Score:2)

    by SlappyBastard (961143) on Thursday June 01 2006, @09:46PM (#15450804)
    Godammit. It's just a bunch of geeks.
  • Google PR? (Score:2)

    by Coward Anonymous (110649) on Thursday June 01 2006, @09:53PM (#15450837)
    Last time secret messages were popping up in different places, google was involved...
    • Re:Google PR? by ZachPruckowski (Score:2) Thursday June 01 2006, @10:01PM
  • why not use png texting? (Score:1, Troll)

    by plasmacutter (901737) on Thursday June 01 2006, @09:53PM (#15450841)
    (Last Journal: Tuesday November 06, @02:39PM)
    there is a flaw in the png format which allows you to embed random crap in png files.

    the particular application i've seen commonly practiced was mp3 pngs, you download the file, rename it .mp3, and can load it straight into winamp.

    why not embed a special encrypted text format into a png file, and build a special app specifically for viewing the format.

    unlike mp3 pngs, it would be very hard to detect, especially on huge imageboard sites like 4chan's /b/ board Oo.
  • Call Mr. Lee (Score:2)

    by BorgCopyeditor (590345) on Thursday June 01 2006, @09:56PM (#15450860)
    Dial 45... 41.... oh oh oh
    Call Mr Lee,
    He'll know the code is broken,
    Tell him the dog is turning red.
  • by inkdesign (7389) on Thursday June 01 2006, @10:07PM (#15450899)
    Crack em' and get a job everyone!
  • Ummmmm...no. (Score:2)

    by rindeee (530084) on Thursday June 01 2006, @11:16PM (#15451292)
    You can't crack them. Unless, of course, you or a cohort has devised a way to crack a one time pad short of stealing the mat.
  • Way 2 make money? (Score:1)

    by lon3st4r (973469) on Thursday June 01 2006, @11:18PM (#15451305)
    What if a you-call-you-pay-a-ton phone number is posted anonymously like this?

    People could make a lot of money like this.^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^ H^H^H^H

    forget you ever heard that. mental note: TODO: money for nothing! ;)

    * lon3st4r *

  • by Jurph (16396) on Thursday June 01 2006, @11:31PM (#15451355)
    Nobody seems to have pointed out anywhere that these codes, while broken into the canonical 5-digit groupings, are almost certainly composed of three-digit numbers padded with zeroes. The first one, when you strip out the annoying five-character spacing, becomes:

    Group 415
    13 56 51 12 79 46 65 10 93 00
    82 39 13 94 69 12 78 108 17 28 17
    69 22 73 38 14 17 15 15 73 04 20
    68 12 13 12 51 00 54 04 91 14 13
    15 86 22 96 81 66 02 82 55 70 02
    00 22 83 29 08 22 12 12 04 71 13
    65 27 94 19 29 14 22 08 02 11 83
    73 03 26 19 07 86 86

    and the second one becomes

    Group 617
    61 78 02 21 85 06 13 69 06
    79 12 15 24 07 06 16 17 69
    95 00 17 24 05 14 24 09 87
    22 67 89 74 10 82 10 86 78
    13 24 04 16 27 73 13 15 06
    93 69 112 20 84 00 00 21 03
    70 31 76 49 65 23 27 67 00 07 16
    12 17

    Each one just barely scratches into the low hundreds (once each), and uses "00" several times, occasionally doubled. The first one uses 45 unique numbers ranging as high as 108 with the most common characters in the teens; I haven't done any frequency analysis on the second grouping yet but the teens look popular again. I just happened to start reading David Kahn's "The Codebreakers" this week, so I've got lots of places to start, but I wouldn't mind a little help with this. Holler if you think of something!
  • Here is one! (Score:2)

    by HermanAB (661181) on Thursday June 01 2006, @11:32PM (#15451360)
  • Cyberpunk (Score:1)

    by Goodbyte (539941) on Thursday June 01 2006, @11:37PM (#15451383)
    (http://goodbyte.cjb.net/)
    Anyone else that sees a connection to Pattern Recognition by William Gibson?
  • I am a huge Numbers Station geek, and I've been known to listen to the Conet Project just for fun at parties, shortly before I'm asked to leave. So I've been following this story on the Spy Numbers mailing list for at least two weeks, now. If you're intrigued by this mystery, you will probably love the resources at SpyNumbers.com, or the Enigma2000 group at Yahoo.

    Anyway, my prediction: The next message will be posted on Craigslist for Boston. The first message announced Group 415, and the second message was posted on Craigslist for San Francisco.

    The second message announces group 617, which means the next message will probably show up on Craigslist for Boston. If that proves to be true, it is 99% certain that this is just a prank, or something being done by amateurs having a bit of fun. There's no way a real spook or someone sending messages of any importance would use a scheme that some piker like me can figure out.

    So what's going on here? Eh. If there's anything really in there, now that it's been on Slashdot and boingboing, it's quite likely to be cracked within a few days, unless it's encrypted with a one time pad. Whatever it is, part of me is afraid that it's part of that stupid DaVinci Code promotion, and the same part of me hopes that it's somehow related to the Hanso Foundation.

    Or maybe Publius has finally returned . . . are there any Pink Floyd albums coming out soon?
  • by beeblebrox (16781) on Friday June 02 2006, @03:18AM (#15452063)
    William Gibson's latest [amazon.com] about a quasi-viral-marketing scheme.
  • by Bromskloss (750445) on Friday June 02 2006, @03:51AM (#15452158)
    See my sig.
  • Cracking it? (Score:2)

    by PhotoGuy (189467) on Friday June 02 2006, @03:54AM (#15452168)
    (http://slashdot.org/)
    I thought these were generally considered to use One Time Pad's [wikipedia.org], so cracking really isn't an option. From Wiki:

    In cryptography, the one-time pad (OTP) is an encryption algorithm where the plaintext is combined with a random key or "pad" that is as long as the plaintext and used only once. It was invented in 1917. If the key is truly random, never reused, and, of course, kept secret, the one-time pad can be proven to be unbreakable."
  • by Kopretinka (97408) on Friday June 02 2006, @04:20AM (#15452238)
    (http://slashdot.org/)
    Well, going from radio waves to IP (internet protocol) of any kind seems stupid - to receive radio waves you only have to be in the area, and nobody is able to find out you're tuning to that station, unless they actually hear you. With IP, on the other hand, there are sudden packets flowing from the source to the receiver (broadcast does not span local networks because the internet would be too easy to flood). Secondly, there will only be relatively few listeners (real agents plus a few curious people) to these IP streams, so one (a network operator) has much more chance of tracking all of them.

    However, if the whole slashdot suddenly goes to listen to them, agents can hide much easier. Use slashdot as a coverup! 8-)

  • Numbers stations may be the opposite of what you think:
    • They may be distributing one-time pads or keys.
    • They might be sending gibberish-- just to keep the other side's cryptanalysts too busy to work on the real messages.
    • hey might be sending gibberish-- just to keep the frequency squatted on so other pirates don't squat on it.
    Lots of possibilities that don't involve actual messages.
  • by croddy (659025) on Friday June 02 2006, @06:25AM (#15452560)
    And can you crack the code?

    Well, considering it's most likely a one-time pad [wikipedia.org], I'm going to have to say no.

  • by AlphaInsight (140726) on Friday June 02 2006, @07:46AM (#15452942)
    This sounds more like someone's just doing their part to muck with the signal-to-noise-ratio after hearing about this NSA/AT&T crap. Yeah, there are more secure communication vectors than VoIP as well anything traversing the internet, but it most certainly causes the G-Man to stop to look.

    It probably is a love letter between two crypto geeks, but it does have a higher purpose!

    To see someone do their part to screw with (at the very least) unethical, immoral, and more-than-probably illegal wiretap, makes me feel warm and fuzzy.
  • 1984 (Score:1)

    by Ponga (934481) on Friday June 02 2006, @10:13AM (#15454218)
    From TFA: "...someone tipped off our friends at 2600 Magazine. Its editor Emmanuel Goldstein..."

    Anybody read 1984 ??
    • Re:1984 by bcmm (Score:2) Monday June 05 2006, @10:13AM
  • 4 8 15 16 23 42 (Score:2)

    by fatboy (6851) on Friday June 02 2006, @10:32AM (#15454431)
    (http://www.newspony.com/)
    Enjoy :)
  • by JRHelgeson (576325) on Friday June 02 2006, @10:49AM (#15454605)
    (http://www.appiant.com/ | Last Journal: Sunday September 21 2003, @02:10PM)
    Group 415 translates to:
    "All your base are belong to us!"

    The second message,
    Group 617 translates to:
    "Moving every zig for great justice!"

    Just thought you'd want to know... :)
  • by LM741N (258038) on Friday June 02 2006, @11:57AM (#15455307)
    Its been known for quite some time that at least one numbers station was broadcasting out of a military base in the US. I wish I had the reference but I saw it in a book on shortwave listening some time ago. A nearby ham or SWLer realized just how strong the signal was and by taking a receiver to the perimeter of the base, was easily able to conclude that it was the source.

    I have also seen in the past revelations about these stations operating out of Cuba. There was some dissident who defected to the US and spilled the beans on it.
  • by nblender (741424) on Friday June 02 2006, @12:00PM (#15455337)
    It says:

    "Meat is trying to convince you it has made you. You must overthrow Meat and then we will reveal ourselves to you. Do not help Meat to decrypt these messages."

    I don't get it.

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  • Numbers stations (Score:1)

    by Frozen Void (831218) on Friday June 02 2006, @12:07PM (#15455419)
    (http://stormtower.invisionplus.net/)
    I recall when i was kid and tuned my radio,one weak medium wave station was speaking somehting like " foxtrot hotel lima" intead of speech,i have seen it reapeat itself few times.I never knew about those stations and assumed it was
    a communication channel for ships(like weather broadcasts).
    It was weird though,a female voice talking in monotone words without stopping.
  • by thedbtree (935701) on Friday June 02 2006, @12:07PM (#15455420)
    It's funny, I just finished the podcast of the May 30, 2006 "Off the Wall" and Emmanuel has the recording of one of these "Number Stations".

    Check out the audio on the May 30, 2006 episode of Off the Wall [2600.org].

    This is intriguing stuff...

  • by bort27 (261557) on Friday June 02 2006, @01:34PM (#15456342)
    There seem to be a great deal of zeros in both messages.

    group 415 group 415
    01305 60510 12079 04606 50100
    93000 08203 90130 94069 01207
    81080 17028 01706 90220 73038
    01401 70150 15073 00402 00680
    12013 12510 00540 04091 01401
    30150 86022 09608 10660 02082
    05507 00020 00000 02208 30290
    08022 01200 40710 13065 02709
    40190 29014 02200 80020 11083
    07300 30260 19000 00700 00000
    86 86

    group 617 group 617
    06107 80020 21085 00601 30690
    06079 01201 50240 07006 01601
    70690 95000 01702 40050 14024
    00908 70220 67089 07401 00820
    10086 07801 30240 04016 02707
    30130 15006 09306 91120 20084
    00000 00210 03070 03107 60490
    65023 02706 70000 07016 01201
    7

    If we regroup the digits into threes instead of fives, we end up with a series of numbers from 0-127:

    013 056 051 012 079 046 065 010 093 000 082 039 013 094 069 012 078 108 017 028... etc.

    I would have assumed that they were simply using a one-time pad of random integers from 0 to 127, and encrypting each character as (cleartext + onetimepad) % 128 (which would make the message uncrackable without the pad), but because we often have long strings of zeros, I'm starting to doubt the use of a pad. Please post if you make any progress.

    bort.
  • Traffic analysis (Score:1)

    by JaumPaw (48149) on Saturday June 03 2006, @07:48AM (#15461141)
    I seriously doubt that an intl. agency is behind this - after all, it makes the receiver of the message wide open to traffic analysis. Shortwave is still the best way to avoid traffic analysis. However, I would suggest spam stegnography instead, where possible.
  • by tknd (979052) on Saturday June 03 2006, @10:27PM (#15464572)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_Pixmap_file_ format [wikipedia.org] Unfortunately I don't think the group 415 or whatever header matches up to the dimensions of an image.
  • by method_pg (915651) on Monday June 05 2006, @03:18AM (#15470733)
    I'm glad others figured out the 3-digit thing.

    Further analysis of frequency and structure..

    10x 000
    8x 013
    6x 017,022,012
    5x 069,015
    4x 002,004,006,024,014,073
    3x 078,082,086,027,016,065,007,010

    For reference, words in English language in order of most common:

    The, of, to, and, a, in, is, it, you, that, he, was, for, on, are, with, as, I, his, they, be, at, one, have, this, from, or, had, by.

    ---

    Sentence Structure:
    013, 022, 082, 007, 021, 017 were all used to start a sentence.
    OF those 013, 022, 017 were also used mid-sentence.
    002, 093, 067, 017, 084, 095, 019 have been used at the end of sentences.
    000 appears to be CRLF, with a double set seperating paragraphs.
    007 and 086 seem to be words you can use alone on one line (like "thanks" or "goodbye")
    015 appears twice consequetively in one sentence.
    (probably either side of a comma [one that isn't defined in the cypher])
    014,013,015 are likely to be 3 common words which can be used in that specific sequence. (eg. "is","from","the")
  • Sorry for the late reply. I'm trying to be insightful here. Sunspots and HF propagation run in 11-year cycles and we are in the middle of cycle 23 that started in the year 2000 and ends in 2011. Regardless whether this the original story was a hoax or not, the method described could be a spy agency's "workaround" due to bad HF propagation this year!
  • Re:it's a joke (Score:5, Funny)

    by creimer (824291) on Thursday June 01 2006, @09:11PM (#15450646)
    (http://www.creimer.ws/ | Last Journal: Friday January 26 2007, @12:40PM)
    Haven't you heard? No one wants to be a computer scientist these days to figure out hard-to-crack computer codes. The CIA is hiring high school students with Microsoft certifications to create their secret codes. The fact that they got VOIP to work was a miracle in itself.
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  • Re:it's a joke (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Yehooti (816574) on Thursday June 01 2006, @09:14PM (#15450658)
    Maybe just to get our knickers in a knot.
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  • Re:it's a joke (Score:4, Insightful)

    by abscissa (136568) on Thursday June 01 2006, @09:15PM (#15450663)
    there are a lot more sophisticated ways of hiding and transferring secret information. including texts, images, video and audio streams, ssl, gpg, tunneling, etc. why would anyone bother with a child games like that?

    Because the publicity and simplicity of the cipher makes it very difficult to determine the intended recipent. Also, it may not be AES, but if it's a one-time-pad it's pretty damn secure.
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  • It is a joke (Score:1)

    by Sentri (910293) on Thursday June 01 2006, @09:27PM (#15450715)
    (http://www.google.com/)
    there are a lot more sophisticated ways of hiding and transferring secret information. including texts, images, video and audio streams, ssl, gpg, tunneling, etc. why would anyone bother with a child games like that?

    Maybe if they were a child?

    Or one of those people with one of those things, you know...
    A sense of humour.

    Yeah
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  • Hey guys -- just found out that georgina (you know, tall blonde who fixes the xerox machine) is actually a MAN!!!1111! Lol

    L8r,
    raymond
    What kind of message of state importance is that?
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  • 360 is not seattle
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  • Re:it's a joke (Score:2)

    by Copid (137416) on Friday June 02 2006, @01:34PM (#15456357)
    there are a lot more sophisticated ways of hiding and transferring secret information. including texts, images, video and audio streams, ssl, gpg, tunneling, etc. why would anyone bother with a child games like that?
    I agree that this particular example is probably just what you think it is for very much the same reasons. True short wave number stations have one extreme advantage over the other examples you used: receiving them is a totally passive activity. There is no way for somebody to monitor the station that's generating the sequence and figure out who is listening and decoding it. The recipient could be anyone, anywhere, so catching the spies making use of it is next to impossible.

    Connecting to a web server to view an image with a steganographic message (even if it's OTP encrypted) is still an active activity. So is dialing up a VOIP number. If you can figure out where the message originates, you can figure out who is listening to it by monitoring a single point. Why give up that anonymity and still use something this inconvenient? If you're going to give up the recipient's anonymity, just publish encrypted sequences on a web site.

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