Sun Grid DOS'd 119
feronti writes "So, it didn't take long... CNET is reporting that Sun's new Grid computing service (reported yesterday) has already been the victim of a DDOS attack. "
It's a naive, domestic operating system without any breeding, but I think you'll be amused by its presumption.
obligatory (Score:2, Funny)
Cause & Effect (Score:5, Funny)
(Yes, I went there. And yes, that was just unacceptable. I know. hEhE)
Re:Cause & Effect (Score:2, Funny)
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It is amazing because sometimes you can include your own so-called "off-topic" quote and get a better rating. I think this is due to the fact that people are lazy and do not lower their visible threshold while modding.
Re:Did it do it to itself? (Score:1)
Re:Did it do it to itself? (Score:2)
Don't forget DDOS, I mean DR-DOS.
half day (Score:1)
Re:half day (Score:1)
Sun Grid (Score:5, Funny)
Don't worry, I'll be here all week.
DOS? (Score:3, Funny)
Jackasses (Score:5, Insightful)
And what have these self-righteous "hackers" proved? Abso-fracking-lutely nothing. Sun's Grid was never in danger, and they had no problem moving the service.
So thank you very much for spoiling things for everyone. I hope you "hackers" enjoyed it.
Re:Jackasses (Score:5, Insightful)
That position dovetails with one long held by Sun Chief Executive Scott McNealy. "Absolute anonymity breeds irresponsibility," he said in a 2003 interview. "Audit trails and authentication provide a much more civil society."
To summarize... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Jackasses (Score:1)
if anonymity is a crime, then only criminals will be anonymous
Re:Jackasses (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Jackasses (Score:1, Informative)
The author of the article pulled a quote from 3 years ago to satisfy his/her soundbite requirements. I don't see how this is Sun's fault. (Unless you also believe that the reporter is in Sun's pocket.)
Paranoid much?
Re:Jackasses (Score:3, Interesting)
http://www.techworld.com/security/news/index.cfm?N ewsID=5466 [techworld.com]
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/27/142223 0 [slashdot.org]
http://www.zdnet.com.au/insight/toolkit/security/e mail/0,39027176,39168559,00.htm [zdnet.com.au]
http://www.gridtoday.com/03/0526/030526.html [gridtoday.com]
http://distributedcomputing.info/news.html [distribute...uting.info]
This thing has a lot of people's names on it. If it flops someone has to take the blame.
Re:Jackasses (Score:2)
Re:Jackasses (Score:2)
Just ask anyone who works on the frontline (IDS and firewall admins) and they'll tell you that attacks happen all the time. This one made the news because Sun actually told the media. They handled the whole situation very well, IMO.
Re:Jackasses (Score:2)
Uh, yeah?
Sun claims that their grid is having problems handling the bandwidth of a DDoS. What part of this is hard to believe?
Announce a new service, expect a DDoS. That's the world we live in. The only thing Sun does that's different is admit it instead of dismissing it with some dopey error message (Bad Server! No Cookie for You!)
Re:Jackasses (Score:5, Funny)
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19 [penny-arcade.com]
Re:Jackasses (Score:3, Funny)
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Re:Jackasses (Score:4, Interesting)
They only proved that partial anonymity breeds irresponsibility. Sun and any sort of response they make would have a tough time being anonymous. So, on one hand you have the "bad guys" who have almost complete anonymity to cover their 'extra-legal' activities and on the other hand you have the "good guys" without much anonymity and so are unable to respond in kind.
Adding audit trails and authentication just changes the identities of the "bad guys" from those who are outside the system to those who own the system and thus can erase the audit trails as needed (for example, the brazilian the british coppers shot and killed in the tube last summer - despite being the most surveiled society on the planet the incident was not recorded on camera due to a 'temporary malfunction' -- yeah RIGHT).
Re:Jackasses (Score:4, Insightful)
Yeah, sure.
This continual barrage of so-called "hackers" is doing only one thing: turning our computerised world into a gigantic "police state" of sorts. There will NEVER be a day when all security "issues" have been addressed. NEVER. But, thanks to the efforts of pinheads like these, our operating systems and environments are becoming more and more encumbered with security of every kind and type. We can't write a C program without having to worry about stack-smashers. We can't open a ZIP file without a virus scanner. It's hit and miss browsing the web...you may be the lucky winner of some kind of embedded trap Microsoft/Mozilla/Opera/whomever hasn't accounted for yet. And the arms race continues!
Remember the days when no one had a firewall? When you could happily "finger" someone's account on another system? Forget it..those days are long gone. We all live in gated communities now. Can't put your system on the raw internet without half a dozen kiddies with portscanners hitting you up within seconds. Oh but it's for "security". Sure. They're only doing it for my own good, as the apologists say.
Re:Jackasses (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Jackasses (Score:3, Interesting)
Speaking of which if anyone is interested in doing this, you can use OS X's (so-so) voices:
$ say -f blogfile.txt -o podcast.aiff
Then use iTunes to convert to MP3 or AAC. `man say` for more options. Introduced in 10.3.
I'm not saying this is better than what Sun offered, or that those hackers weren't assholes... just mentioning something that people might be interested in.
Thanks (Score:2)
I'd actually been wondering if there was a way to do that for a while
They really need to do something about their voices though. I remember when they brought them out ("Mac-in-talk-pro-english-vic-tor-ia" anyone?) and it seems like they haven't done a bit of work since then.
I've often thought it would be cool if you got a text-to-speech system that was good enough to make a 'poor mans audiobook,' by passing some Project Gutenberg texts into a program and having it spit ou
Re:Jackasses (Score:2)
Your BSGness is showin. (Score:1)
What did the prove? (Score:2)
I hope they are proud of themselves, and that we meet up in a dark alley someday.
Donkeys and Bureaucrats (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Jackasses (Score:2)
Re:Jackasses (Score:2)
So thank you very much for spoiling things for everyone. I hope you "hackers" enjoyed it.
They are arseholes but it's probably nothing to do with "hackers" as such.
It's statistics. In any population of millions it's a statisical certainty you're going to get arseholes. Simple as that.
To expose anything to the net and assume that every single one of the millions (billions?) of people online is going to play nice is a statistical impossibility.
Here are just some of the possibilities I can think of:
They're lucky (Score:5, Funny)
Re: Slashdot effect (Score:1)
Sun Grid (Score:2, Insightful)
Not very useful to the public at large, though.
brilliant! (Score:5, Funny)
Denial of Service, abbreviated DoS (Score:4, Informative)
Denial of Service is still worth writing out. Most wanna-be geeks see the three letters "dos" in any capitalization combination and think of Microsoft Disk Operating system.
Slashdot story submitters should know the difference between DOS and DoS, but due to the stupid l33tsp33k crud, nobody takes capitalization seriously.
I think that outside of security or incident response venues, denial of service should be written in full and not abbreviated.
Re:Denial of Service, abbreviated DoS (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Denial of Service, abbreviated DoS (Score:2)
TRS-DOS? Amiga DOS? ProDOS? CP/M DOS? DR-DOS? FreeDOS?
As disk became ubiquitous, DOS became OS
Re:Denial of Service, abbreviated DoS (Score:2)
DOS. The real one. Apple ][ DOS 3. And it was used by a large percentage of people, well 20 years ago.
Re: Denial of Service, abbreviated DoS (Score:5, Funny)
Re: Denial of Service, abbreviated DoS (Score:1, Redundant)
Re: Denial of Service, abbreviated DoS (Score:1)
Re: Denial of Service, abbreviated DoS (Score:2)
You mean like this guy [theonion.com]?
Re:Denial of Service, abbreviated DoS (Score:1)
Re:Denial of Service, abbreviated DoS (Score:2)
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Re:Denial of Service, abbreviated DoS (Score:1)
Re:Denial of Service, abbreviated DoS (Score:1)
You're thinking of PC-DOS or MS-DOS. The 'DOS' part is a generic acronym. A modifier is required for specificity.
But your point is very good and well taken.
Re:Denial of Service, abbreviated DoS (Score:2)
You're right and lots of folks around here still refuse to use punctuation with plural forms of acronyms which makes things even harder. It's hard to tell what people mean when they write the "the DoSs have had an effect on Sun's Grid" rather than "The DoS's have had an effect on Sun's grid" since you can't know where the mixed-case acronym stops. Then when
The real cause (Score:2, Funny)
#!/bin/sh
$0 &
exec $0
Re:The real cause (Score:2, Funny)
My operating system teacher told us about this one and told us never to do that. Needless to say that a dude wrote, compiled and run this code like 5 minutes after the end of the class... in our main server... pfff...
Re:The real cause (Score:2)
Doing the equivalent on Windows (using CreateProcess normally) brings the system down nice and quick though (Windows doesn't even support resource limits so there's no way the admins can stop you).
Re:The real cause (Score:1)
Re:The real cause (Score:2)
Re:The real cause (Score:2)
while(!fork());
This one is essentially un-killable as it keeps changing its PID. Here's more such fun:
while(!fork()) fork();
hehe...
Re:The real cause (Score:1)
I just tried it on an Ubuntu system I had... lasted about 30 seconds... now to try the fork method mentioned
The summary forgot to mention the rest (Score:5, Funny)
So, it didn't take long... CNET is reporting that Sun's new Grid computing service (reported yesterday) has already been the victim of a DDOS attack. "
...As thousands of hackers asked The Grid... What is The Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything?
Re:The summary forgot to mention the rest (Score:2, Interesting)
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=the+answer+t
Re:The summary forgot to mention the rest-REPLY! (Score:2)
And the Grid replied: 101010
Re:The summary forgot to mention the rest (Score:1)
(a la Asimov: http://adin.dyndns.org/adin/TheLastQ.htm [dyndns.org])
Re:The summary forgot to mention the rest (Score:1)
No way this could be the reason... I am sure they have this one precalculated.
Re:The summary forgot to mention the rest (Score:2)
soooo..... (Score:1)
....I'm thinking the technical term for this would be "eclipse", right?
Ok, in all seriousness, it isn't so suprising, it was a big target and some people are just going to take the shot -- which it too bad since the DoSers could have used thier time for more important works...like acing GoDaddy severs, or better yet some M$ site."
my $.02
Re:soooo..... (Score:1)
Great Name (Score:1)
Re:Great Name (Score:1)
Cool project (Score:1)
I really like the idea behind this Sun's project [network.com] (network.com? I'm sure it was not cheap to get that domain). It even makes me wanna install JBuilder or something by the way and program in Java again.
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Re:Cool project (Score:1)
Paypal? (Score:1)
Please, rewrite this in english. (Score:4, Insightful)
Sun, as always, have some very good futuristic ideas. Ideas too good for nowdays, but will work on the future.
You already know Java, and "The network is the computer", and theres is another The Grid.
The Grid is another use of the internet, as The Web is the net of web pages, The Grid is the net of network resources shaped in a way that A Single Execution can run on a virtual giganteous virtual computer. Its not magic, only code written to use this level of paralelism will work, and you need to use some "standard" framework, but is still C, (or perl if you want) code. As I write this, theres some guys migrating applications to the Grid framework.
Actually the need for that giganteouse computational power on a simple C executable is experiemental data generated by particle accelerators like the LHC (aka, from the CERN, the same guys create the World Wide Web). Withouth the Grid you have not enough computational horsepower to analize that much data.
Sun, and these guys think this interesting use of technology will grown, and soon guys like Liberty, Visa, Bayer, etc.. will use that horsepower to crunch hugue computational problems, problems that huge that actually looks not feasible. And because The Grid use some sort of "p2p" alike technology
With this setup, Its a non-sense that hackers attack sun. WHY?!!!.. The Grid is a idea a true hacker sould LOVE, not hate or attack. Imagine a world where "hackers" attacking the first web server to shutdown the worldwideweb idea. What lameness...
I am a hacker, and I think these guys hare not more than vandals withouth respect for technology, or withouth pride for scientific effors on IT.
Re:Please, rewrite this in english. (Score:2)
And I'll admit that I don't know enough of the history of Java or "The network is the computer" to know whether Sun actually invented them. However, Sun did NOT invent the Grid.
I don't think it should be attacked either, but let's not pretend it's going to change the world.
Re:Please, rewrite this in english. (Score:2)
Re:Please, rewrite this in english. (Score:1, Flamebait)
Kinda missleading (Score:4, Interesting)
I dunno, Slashdot could have reported on something more meaningful - like Sun GPL'ing their latest processor. You can download it here:
http://opensparc-t1.sunsource.net/download_hw.htm
There's a decent write-up here:
http://www.itjungle.com/breaking/bn032106-story01
Manufacturing fab not included...
Re:Kinda missleading (Score:2)
Do Unto Others... (Score:2, Flamebait)
Re:Do Unto Others... (Score:2)
YOU ARE WRONG, POSTER (Score:3, Informative)
That's what you get... (Score:1)
Sun also reported... (Score:1)
not a particularly good value (Score:2)
i ran the sample "hostname" job.
Started When: 2006-03-24 00:36:54.0
Finished When: 2006-03-24 00:36:54.0
CPU-Hrs Used: 0.000
CPU-Hrs Billed: 1
Account balance (CPU-Hours): 0
btw, the glorious output: nyc1r214cpn14
Call for Relative Trust Identity System (Score:1)
Very inacurate slashdot title (Score:2)
The attacks didn't disturb the regular grid, Sun said. "There was no degradation to performance for users inside the Sun Grid," spokesman Brett Smith said.
So they atacked the server hosting text-to-speech translation service, NOT THE SUN GRID!