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Intel Releases New Pentium M Processors 190
doormat writes "Its been known for a while, but now it's official, as Intel releases Dothan, the 90nm version of Banias, aka the Pentium M processor. It also debuts Intel's new numbering scheme. The fastest new part is a Pentium M 755 2GHz w/ a 100MHz FSB, and 2MB of L2 on die cache. Reviews are starting to tip up as the NDA expires. One is at Tom's."
Hmm (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Hmm (Score:1)
on clock cycles alone.
Re:Hmm (Score:3, Informative)
TrustedReviews - http://www.trustedreviews.com/article.aspx?art=42
Digit-Life - http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/asus-m6000/as
PC Mag - http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/asus-m6000/as
Re:Hmm (Score:1)
Re:'cut me up' (Score:3, Funny)
Don't BMW on-board computers use PowerPCs? (Score:2, Interesting)
Motorola embedded PowerPCs power those German luxury cars don't they?
Just a tad ironic.
Re:Don't BMW on-board computers use PowerPCs? (Score:2)
Re:Don't BMW on-board computers use PowerPCs? (Score:3, Interesting)
One thing to note about the new intel numbering scheme is it directly removes revelance from AMD's numbering scheme. Intel is adding a meaningless first number as if to say "the first number is just for our purposes, you pay attemtion to the MHz." If people buy into t
Re:Don't BMW on-board computers use PowerPCs? (Score:2)
Excessively cheap - too true. The excitement people have towards saving a penny per board scares me some times. I understand it, but it scares me.
Re:Don't BMW on-board computers use PowerPCs? (Score:2)
We too are looking at other CPUs since Mot is still a little pricy and they really havent thrown themselves into the automotive thing full swing yet. Some of their chips could be more useful.
Re:Don't BMW on-board computers use PowerPCs? (Score:2)
I'm fairly sure that OnStar is slightly profitable for the manufacturer of the modules. I have no idea if OnStar/GM is making any money off of it.
I also have no idea if Freescale is going to go after automotive business full-on once they seperate from Motorola; part of the problem for them has been that a lot of potential customers don't like buying from them, since they're the same company as one of their competitors (Motorola's automotive group). Motorola automotive gets the same problem, the othe
Re:Don't BMW on-board computers use PowerPCs? (Score:2)
Re:Hmm Here come the Germans (Score:2)
heh. If they did, the suits from BMW will be on them like Ballmer on a ham sandwich. They don't like *anyone* messing with their branding. You can't even use the three M colors together in anything BMW related unless you have special permission. The Germans don't play around.
88 ///M3 owner
Naming Scheme (Score:2, Funny)
Intel fanboys around the world do a 180... (Score:5, Funny)
the resulting transfer of angular momentum changes the Earth's orbit moving it slightly further away from the Sun.
the increased distance and lower temperature makes cooling easier. AMD stock set to skyrocket.
Re:Intel fanboys around the world do a 180... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Intel fanboys around the world do a 180... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Intel fanboys around the world do a 180... (Score:4, Funny)
better than a hairdryer. (Score:2)
Now you can do the same thing with a 4 CPU system.
Re:Intel fanboys around the world do a 180... (Score:3, Interesting)
Didn't Cyrix first utilize this 'performance-rating' style of rating the chips back in 1995 with their 6X86 chip?
History of Cyrix [wikipedia.org]
Re:Intel fanboys around the world do a 180... (Score:2)
Re:Intel fanboys around the world do a 180... (Score:2)
The Bottom Line (Score:5, Informative)
The results of the battery life benchmarks show the benefits of 90-nm process technology. The two test systems were identical, except for the CPUs, and gave nearly the same results."
From here [tomshardware.com].
So The Bottom Line Is... (Score:2)
So nothing spectacular?
Re:So The Bottom Line Is... (Score:5, Interesting)
Peak thermal power is 24.5W for Banias and 21W for Dothan. But it looks like average thermal power is 6W for Banias vs. 7.5W. Sleep power, deep sleep power, and deeper sleep power are all higher for Dothan.
Does this mean if you're not doing a lot of number crunching, your battery life will be less than a Banias system? Maybe the cache has something to do with this... whatever. I would be more impressed if the power requirements were lower across the board. And the lower peak doesn't seem that low. What's the best case thermal advantage going from 130nm to 90nm of an identical circuit?
Re:So The Bottom Line Is... (Score:5, Interesting)
Some more Dothan reviews (Score:5, Informative)
TrustedReviews - http://www.trustedreviews.com/article.aspx?art=42
Digit-Life - http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/asus-m6000/as
PC Mag - http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/asus-m6000/as
Links... (Score:2, Informative)
Digit-Life [digit-life.com]
PC Mag [digit-life.com]
The a tag is your friend...
It's all about the Pentiums baby... (Score:1, Funny)
Re:It's all about the Pentiums baby... (Score:2)
In other news (Score:3, Funny)
Re:In other news (Score:3, Funny)
This stuff seems to overclock nicely (Score:5, Informative)
Here [x86-secret.com]
(yeah, yeah, it's in French. Machine translate it for the text, and after all the pictures and chart don't need much of an explanation, do they?)
In other news ... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:In other news ... (Score:2)
Re:In other news ... (Score:2)
Re:In other news ... (Score:3, Funny)
Does it have hardware bzip2?
Welcome to the silly numbers (Score:3, Funny)
Will the Pentium 5 X159-XL-SE be more power full than a Pentium 5 X150-Pro-Ultra ? Or less powerfull than a X160-LE ?
Does it compare to an Athlon 64 Dual FX-95e 4699+++ ?
Re:Welcome to the silly numbers (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Welcome to the silly numbers (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Welcome to the silly numbers (Score:3, Insightful)
If you let companies into the bechmark design process, they will cheat (see 3DMark scandal).
If you don't let companies into the bechmark design, then your benchmarks will never be able to squeeze "the most" performance out of anything, and how much performance you do get could be determined more by how you're testing then what you're testing on.
Comparing CPUs is a very difficult task to do.. notice the reviewer ran mor
Re:Welcome to the silly numbers (Score:2)
They just want to know how much faster their games will go, their videos will encode, and how much quicker photoshop will render their favorite filter. Those is very difficult to represent with a single, common number
So why can't a benchmark CD test these things ?
OS isn't the issue... (Score:2)
laptop woes (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:laptop woes (Score:1)
Re:laptop woes (Score:2)
I got 512MB of RAM on my Laptop and it SCREAMS. I can play the shippy at many FPS.
Re:laptop woes (Score:2)
Re:laptop woes (Score:3, Insightful)
It was slow. In one case it did lots of paging out for dunno what reason, then when I tried to switch tasks I had to wait a long time for things to page in and for the system to regain its senses.
A 1GHz Duron, 128MB pc with Windows 2000 was more responsive and stable in comparison - same apps (two apps).
From my experience with other XP machines, Windows XP is a downgrade from Win2K. The only adva
Re:laptop woes (Score:2)
In my experience Windows XP is much more stable than Windows 2000. I am aware that most people have had the opposite experience but I've bluescreened win2k repeatedly on every service pack that's been released to date. I have very rarely bluescreened XP since day one, and when I have it has generally been tracable to bad hardware (this was not true in all cases, however.)
Re:laptop woes (Score:2)
I have 1GB ram in my Windows XP system, you might thi
What I don't understand... (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:What I don't understand... (Score:5, Informative)
HP to sharpen blade with Pentium M [com.com]
And don't forget: high end servers don't use bleeding edge processors since they need some extra time to certify the hardware.
Re:What I don't understand... (Score:2)
Hmmm... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Hmmm... (Score:3, Funny)
Your wish is my command:
(stolen from someone's Usenet sig)
"With a castle that big, do you
Future Intel processor numbers (Score:2, Funny)
Desktop (Score:4, Insightful)
If someone made a reasonably priced, Pentium-M desktop using low power and heat components, I would consider buying it. Especially if it had no fan.
The energy savings alone would make it worthwhile.
Re:Desktop (Score:2)
Uh, over what sort of time frame ?
Re:Desktop (Score:5, Interesting)
Intel Pentium-M 735 $294,21W
Comparable Athlon-XP (2600-3000?) $170, ~70W
Price difference = ~$120
Power difference=~50W
Electricity cost (UK prices, don't know any others)=$0.10/Kwh
Time to break even=~2.7 years
Which is about the lifetime of a processor, I guess. Of course, that's assuming you use both at 100% CPU constantly for three years.
Re:Desktop (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Desktop (Score:2)
Re:Desktop (Score:2)
Re:Desktop (Score:2)
Re:Desktop (Score:2)
Power dissipation under load is similar between AMD and Intel chips.Anandtech [anandtech.com] shows the idle temp of the athlons a little higher, and vice versa for the load temps. There's around a 10% difference using the same heatsink.
Why the assumption that most people don't use their cpus? Mine is at 100% a lot of the time either running tests for development work or gaming.
Re:Desktop (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Desktop (Score:2)
Re:Desktop (Score:2)
Every OS apart from Win9X uses it (ie. Win2000+, Linux etc).
Re:Desktop (Score:2)
Re:Desktop (Score:2)
Re:Desktop (Score:2)
Are you trolling, or are you just unbelievably ignorant? Athlons idle the same way as everything else.
Now we know you're trolling...if Athlons ra
Re:Desktop (Score:2)
Re:Desktop (Score:2, Insightful)
Overclocking Dothan (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Overclocking Dothan (Score:3, Informative)
x86-secret in English [google.com]. On the other hand, Althlon-64 3400+ has a core clock speed of 2.2GHz, slightly lower than that of the O/C Dothan (2.4GHz)... Of course, if we talk about processing power/power consumption, Dothan wins by a mile...
Intel is starting to recover from the CPU design competition. The 3.4GHz clock speed P4 is just unnecessarily too high....
Re:Overclocking Dothan (Score:2)
Which begs the question, why isn't it a desktop processor already? Less power = less CPU fan noise, less power drain on system = less PSU noise, less heat in system = less case fan noise.
Eventually, I think the PIV would be recognized as somewhat of a side-track in processor development. Imagine what Intel could have done if they h
Re:Overclocking Dothan (Score:2)
Now they have to convince enough suckers to buy Prescotts till they turn things around.
There's also the server market to worry about. Imagine an SMP Prescott server - 2 X 100+W in a 1-U, or how about quads 8-). Alternative? Does the Dothan/Banias support SMP? Does it work with popular server chipsets? So Dell will probably stick to Northwood for servers.
Looks like it could be a really good yea
Re:Overclocking Dothan (Score:2)
Re:Overclocking Dothan (Score:2)
It doesn't beg the question, it raises the question. "Beg the question" is an archaic idiom that means "to assume as given the point being argued", e.g. "This painting is trash because it is obviously worthless." The word "beg" in this case means "to improperly take for granted", a usage of the word which we don't see anymore except in this one expression.
Re:Overclocking Dothan (Score:2)
True, but at this point we still have a sizable number of people using it in the old way, which leads to confusion. Even if the phrase does comes to mean "prompts the question" rather than "assumes the argument", I think it's important to remind people of the original meaning because they may run across it and become confused.
Besides, I'm an old curmudgeon. This is w
Re:Overclocking Dothan (Score:2)
Now here's hoping Hans de Vries has some spare time...
Linux on Centrino laptops and notebooks (Score:5, Informative)
Dothan / Banias Compatibility (Score:5, Interesting)
Also, if they are not compatible, is Intel planning to take the Banias chips further, or will I be stuck at 1.7ghz max (or is it 2.2ghz?) until I buy a new one?
Excuse me for being a little ignorant.
Re:Dothan / Banias Compatibility (Score:3, Informative)
At least a 2.13Ghz P-M (with 533Mhz FSB) is on the roadmap. Not THAT much of an improvement from the now available 2Ghz part though. Still quite impressive nonetheless.
I'm going to miss the good old days of MHz (Score:5, Interesting)
Now I have to wonder which new chips are faster. To (blatantly) steal from an earlier post:
I hate the "consumer electronics" style of naming things, incrementing a model number in order to sell an inferior product. Who here honestly thinks that Intel won't do exactly this when they release a product that bombs? I still remember the to-do when Tom's Hardware published a pre-release review of the Pentium II, showing that it was inferior to a Pentium MMX of the same clock speed.
What I would REALLY like to se is AMD seize the MHz banner now that Intel has abandonned it. I mean, now AMD doesn't have to give performance "numbers" to convince people to buy it. They could go back to simple MHz ratings, forcing Intel to keep itself honest. After all, we all know that the whole reason we all hated the MHz rating was because AMD had superior performance at inferior speeds and it just wasn't fair. I don't remember too many people complaining when AMD went back to MHz specs with the Athlons. Here's hoping to see it again soon.
Re:I'm going to miss the good old days of MHz (Score:2)
Re:I'm going to miss the good old days of MHz (Score:2)
If I remember right, the first Pentiums were hugely expensive, so everyone just bought the high end 486's. Also, the first Pentiums were a disaster, it wasn't until the Pentium 75 and socket 5 that Intel got it right. Why get a Pentium 60, when for less money you can get a cooler, faster, 486DX4-100? But stick that 486 against a Pentium of the same speed and the Pentium was
Re:I'm going to miss the good old days of MHz (Score:2)
The 386 WAS slower than a 286 - many people claim that a 286/25 was on par with a 386/40. Also note that the 386 was designed BEFORE the 286, and the 286 was designed because the market wasn't ready for the 386. Also, from what I heard, the Pentium was slower than the 486. The Pentium Pro was by nature slower than the Pentium, but its 32-bit optimizations pushed it past the Pentium - but since everyone ran old 16-bit apps, it seemed slower. Look at where that architecture's gone though - it's m
Re:I'm going to miss the good old days of MHz (Score:2)
The Pentium Pro kicked the regular Pentium's ass. It was even faster than the current Alpha chip on release. It was a great server/workstation chip, and had enough legs that Intel just released a 2.0 Ghz P6 chip today and is going to the core for its mainstream desktop line.
The only problem was that the PPro was not as fast with 16-bit DOS/Win3.1 code. Not slower. So the mags said that for ordinary users, it wa
Marketing (Score:5, Funny)
(My point is, reprinting inane press releases does nobody any good.)
I'm surprised that the marketing department missed the upcoming opportunity to label dual-core CPUs with 'twice' the clock speed, as is done for bogomips.
Re:Marketing (Score:3, Informative)
In other words, they're an objective measure of how fast your CPU can achieve absolut
Digital Restrictions Management in Dothan (Score:5, Interesting)
Here is a link about TCPA as a threat to free software [againsttcpa.com].
Slowing TCPA adoption is enough of an benefit to me to prefer a TCPA-free processor even if it costs $50 more for the same performance. I just hope I'll have that option for a while, as Intel is not the only company promoting TCPA.
Re:FSB @ 100 MHz ? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:FSB @ 100 MHz ? (Score:5, Informative)
You could even bother to do a back of the envelope calculation.
BW = (100*10^6)(4)(2 words)(4bytes/word)/(1024^3 GB/byte) = 2.98 GB/s
So yeah, its sufficent.
Re:FSB @ 100 MHz ? (Score:2)
Re:FSB @ 100 MHz ? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:FSB @ 100 MHz ? (Score:2)
The power dissipated due to board level capacitance/inductance issues could be almost marginal in comparison to the power needed to feed the 2MB on chip cache. Those millions of transistors are quite a sink since they are on most of the time (I am sure they may use some power saving design and the cache may be implemented using dynamic ram even).
The cache is there to increase perform
Re:FSB @ 100 MHz ? (Score:2)
Re:FSB @ 100 MHz ? (Score:2)
Re:Hmmm.... (Score:3, Informative)
Looks OK from here (Score:2)
Try looking at it my way: with Privoxy [privoxy.org] (Cross-platform, Open Source) or Proxomitron [proxomitron.info] (Windows only, freeware).