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SSSCA Introduced in Senate

Posted by michael on Thu Mar 21, 2002 06:40 PM
from the call-to-arms dept.
Peter BG Shoemaker writes: "Wired is reporting that Hollings has officially submitted his newly renamed SSSCA, carrying the moniker Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Promotion Act (CBDTPA). It carries all the provisions we've been worrying about...there is a new battlefield folks..." Newsbytes has another story. Reuters has a story about News Corporation and Disney lobbying in support of the bill. I haven't seen the exact text of the bill as introduced; it will probably be in Thomas tomorrow. Update: 03/22 00:12 GMT by M : Declan McCullagh has collected several documents pertaining to the SSSCA, errr, CBDTPA. He's got a faxed copy of the bill (barely legible; read it on Thomas tomorrow), plus statements from Hollings (read it!), the MPAA, the RIAA, and several lobbying groups for the tech industry, who seem less enthralled about it.
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  • Gentlemen... start your faxes! (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Aexia (517457) on Thursday March 21 2002, @06:45PM (#3204192)
    http://www.senate.gov

    Find your Senate, find his/her fax number and start sending your letters!
  • the constitution? what constitution. by grey3 (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @06:50PM
  • Canada (Score:4, Interesting)

    by bartyboy (99076) on Thursday March 21 2002, @06:51PM (#3204228)
    If this bill is passed, how will it affect canadians? Aren't most (if not all?) electronic devices made for both countries, and not just the USA or just for Canada?

    If so, will Canada be forced to follow this bill simply because there are no other devices available on the market?
  • Shouldn't have to say it, but... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Logic Bomb (122875) on Thursday March 21 2002, @06:52PM (#3204232)
    I think someone should point this out every time a new piece of rotten legislation gets proposed. Do NOT email your representative. Do NOT send them a form letter. CALL THEIR OFFICES. SEND OR FAX THEM LETTERS YOU COMPOSED YOURSELF, PREFERABLY HANDWRITTEN. Have everyone you know or can convince do this. This is the ONLY way (other than thousands of dollars in contributions) that you will actually influence votes. And, as always, BE POLITE, BUT DON'T HESITATE TO EXPLICITELY STATE THAT VOTING FOR THIS BILL WILL COST HIM/HER YOUR VOTE.
    • handwritten? by FredGray (Score:3) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:01PM
      • Re:handwritten? (Score:5, Insightful)

        by erasmus_ (119185) on Thursday March 21 2002, @07:11PM (#3204399)
        Although I understand what you're saying, I'd like to respectfully disagree. Rather than "unprofessional", it makes your letter more personal and distinctive. If you have hundreds of emails or typed correspondence to go through, and there is one that is handwritten, I think it has a better chance of being examined. It is exactly because "essentially all correspondence is printed from a word processor" that one wants to be differentiated, especially for a government representative who wishes to appease all constituents, not just those that know how to type.
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        • Re:handwritten? by Anonymous Coward (Score:3) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:19PM
          • Re:handwritten? (Score:4, Funny)

            by Kwikymart (90332) on Thursday March 21 2002, @07:42PM (#3204592)
            That suggestion would not be very good for one main reason: You are trying to sway your elected official's opinion - not hold them for ransom.

            -------text ransom note-------

            deAR sEnAtOr:
            dO N0T pAsS sSsCa 0r eLSe

            sInCErELy,
            31337 Hax0r

            [ Parent ]
            • Re:handwritten? by Kwikymart (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @08:40PM
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          • Re:handwritten? by Grue (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @08:21PM
        • Re:handwritten? by Kwil (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @08:47PM
        • Re:handwritten? by jgman (Score:2) Friday March 22 2002, @09:40AM
        • Re:handwritten? by Blipus (Score:1) Friday March 22 2002, @01:38PM
      • Re:handwritten? by linzeal (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:12PM
        • Re:handwritten? by MalcalypseTheYounger (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @08:03PM
      • Re:handwritten? by Rick the Red (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:14PM
      • Re:handwritten? by MindStalker (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:28PM
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      • Re:handwritten? by zaffir (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @08:19PM
      • Re:handwritten? by Swaffs (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @11:09PM
      • Re:handwritten? by jonathanjo (Score:1) Friday March 22 2002, @04:15PM
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    • Re:Shouldn't have to say it, but... by kaimiike1970 (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:20PM
    • Re:Shouldn't have to say it, but... by BrookHarty (Score:3) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:30PM
    • Re:Shouldn't have to say it, but... by anthony_dipierro (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:35PM
    • Petitions never work by HanzoSan (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:45PM
    • Re:Shouldn't have to say it, but... by zhensel (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:50PM
    • Re:Shouldn't have to say it, but... by mlong (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @08:33PM
    • Re:Shouldn't have to ... start a petition by deanpole (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @09:12PM
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    • Attention all CS majors-some ideas on how to do it by browser_war_pow (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @09:40PM
    • Points for a Letter (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Kwil (53679) on Thursday March 21 2002, @09:52PM (#3205211)
      1. It is the CBDTPA, not the SSSCA. Make sure you reference the correct legislation. It may be the same to us, but there's a world of difference to the congresscritter.

      2. This legislation will create nearly insurmountable challenges and cause serious harm to the computer hardware industry for the benefit of the copyright control industry which is only one-tenth the size.

      3. This legislation eliminates the need for the copyright control industry to create partnerships with the hardware industry to achieve their goals, thus robbing the economy of that growth as well.

      4. Do not insult your congresscritter. Do not accuse them of taking bribes or being stupid. Do not accuse them of being bought off. They may be any or all of these things, but don't accuse them of it.

      5. Tell them you support them, think their ideas and ideals are worthwhile, and voted for them in the last election because of this. (If you do not and don't feel comfortable lying, don't say anything about how you voted or who you support)

      5. Your vote in the next election rides primarily on this particular issue - larger than any individual candidate's ideas or ideals.

      6. The copyright control industry has refused to use the legislation already in existance to prosecute copyright infringers - only those who would provide the means. How serious can the problem be if they do not even make cursory attempts bring actual offenders to justice?

      7. Stay calm and very courteous. Write your letter, leave it for two hours or more, then look over it again.

      8. The issues of audio cassettes and VCRs, both of which were supposedly going to kill the industry - have not. This is certainly an equivalent over-reaction

      9. The legislation assumes that you and the congresscritter are criminals already, and cannot hold yourself in check without some sort of technical provisions. Feel free to say how the legislation insults the congresscritter.

      10. The software industry has been dealing with this problem since its inception, but has not required legislation forcing another industry to change their business, why is the copyright control industry different?

      11. If your congresscritter is Democrat:
      This legislation unfairly impacts the less fortunate who are not able to afford the new DRM equipped devices and may in future be unable to access content.

      12. If your congresscritter is Republican:
      This legislation will work as an unfair tax on hardware makers who will have to research and develop this technology. This will wind up most affecting those who make the majority of computer hardware purchases - the successful American businessman.
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    • Where to contact your legislators by SomeoneYouDontKnow (Score:3) Thursday March 21 2002, @10:11PM
    • Re:Shouldn't have to say it, but... by Decimal (Score:2) Friday March 22 2002, @09:17AM
    • Re:Shouldn't have to say it, but... by ktambascio (Score:1) Friday March 22 2002, @10:00AM
  • The end is near! by Phosphor3k (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @06:53PM
  • by yerricde (125198) on Thursday March 21 2002, @06:53PM (#3204240) Homepage Journal
    From the Wired article:

    Hollings said that "any device that can legitimately play, copy, or electronically transmit one or more categories of media also can be misused for illegal copyright infringement, unless special protection technologies are incorporated."

    We'll just have to tell Congress that "any device that can legitimately hit a baseball can be misused for illegal murder. How do you think MLB would react if the state legislatures tried to outlaw the game of baseball?"

    One bright spot for free software advocates: Any software that implements the standards must be "based on open source code." Hardware copy-protection schemes can remain proprietary.

    I'd assume that a rational judge would consider "open source" to mean what the community thinks it means [opensource.org]. So unless the standards require hardware (which Silicon Valley will vehemently object to), the GNU/Linux system may still be able to decode SSS^H^H^H CBDTPA encoded material.

  • problems with politics (Score:5, Insightful)

    by I Want GNU! (556631) on Thursday March 21 2002, @06:54PM (#3204247) Homepage
    One problem- constant renaming of bills. A majority of Americans were against the "estate tax," until Republicans changed it to the "death tax" and a majority supported it. Same with abortion- you don't hear Republicans saying they are Anti-choice or Democrats saying they are Anti-life.

    Not to mention all the money going through. I honestly don't know why these politicians aren't sued for bribery. It isn't a coincidence that Hollins supports this after all the cash Disney gave him. Same thing with Bush and Microsoft (and the DoJ essentially settling for 10 cents).
  • What about home movies??? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by EccentricAnomaly (451326) on Thursday March 21 2002, @06:54PM (#3204249) Homepage Journal
    If I have a home video that I made on my own can I make copies of it??? How can software/software tell the difference between a movie that I made myself or one who's encryption has been broken?? How can hardware prevent encryption from being broken without breaking a computer's ability to compute??

    Hollings surely doesn't know the answer. Hollywood doesn't know the answer.
  • I think they got it wrong... by xFoz (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @06:54PM
  • What's the point by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @06:55PM
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  • by StefanJ (88986) on Thursday March 21 2002, @06:55PM (#3204257) Homepage Journal
    Email petitions are worthless.

    So is email.

    Faxes are a bit better.

    Better yet: A well-reasoned, non-hysterical actual snail-mail letter, printed and signed and stuck in an envelope.

    Best: A letter with a contribution check inside! I figure $1,000 should be enough to overcome the noise of all those check-free letters.

    Remember, this is your last chance to get in some soft-money contributions. Make the check out to the senator's party. He or she will have the honor of bringing it over to HQ and will like you even more!

    I figure if everyone who reads /. sends in $1,000, and convinces every relative to send in the same we'll about match what the entertainment industry spent on politicians in the last month or so.

    Stefan "Sorry, I'm feeling awful cynical today" Jones
  • Good info from the EFF (Score:5, Informative)

    by frantzdb (22281) on Thursday March 21 2002, @06:55PM (#3204260) Homepage
    The EFF has some good information [eff.org] on what you can do about this.

    --Ben
  • Senators by sean23007 (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @06:55PM
  • Text of SSSCA by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @06:56PM
  • Bill requires Open Source software... by LaminatorX (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @06:56PM
  • Only a matter of time.... by huper (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @06:57PM
  • Hollings + who? by unsinged int (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @06:57PM
  • by dcavens (178673) on Thursday March 21 2002, @06:57PM (#3204273)
    From the Wired Article:

    One bright spot for free software advocates: Any software that implements the standards must be "based on open source code." Hardware copy-protection schemes can remain proprietary.


    Minor question- how would this work? If the copy protections have to be implemented as open source, doesn't it stand to reason that it would be pretty darned simple to write something that circumvents them? Device drivers have to be written that can play the protected stream.

    Any one given any serious thought to how this could actually be done?
  • Fair Use by drf5n (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @06:57PM
    • Re:Fair Use by twinpot (Score:1) Friday March 22 2002, @07:25AM
      • Re:Fair Use by drf5n (Score:1) Thursday March 28 2002, @01:43PM
  • Deja Vu by Sanity (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @06:58PM
  • Haven't read the law, but... by Cyno (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @06:58PM
  • No new computer for me by Kizzle (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @06:59PM
  • Hardware? Software? by realdpk (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @06:59PM
  • Two reasons why it sucks (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Zen Mastuh (456254) on Thursday March 21 2002, @06:59PM (#3204297)

    They are pulling out all the stops with the name Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Promotion Act:

    • Changed name from SSSCA, so anybody who missed the name change might think that the damn thing just died in a committee somewhere. Really slick...
    • What? You don't want to Promote Broadband for Consumers? Damn hippie! A shameless exaggeration, but why do the names of these things have to be so loaded and so dishonest? A more appropriate name would be Congressional Omnibus Profit Maximization and Power Consolidation Act of 2002.
  • Fax, call, and click by VP (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @06:59PM
  • End of the electronic era (Score:5, Funny)

    by guttentag (313541) on Thursday March 21 2002, @06:59PM (#3204299) Journal
    The bill ... prohibits the sale of any kind of electronic device -- unless that device includes copy-protection standards to be set by the federal government.
    The world laughed when I introduced my steam-powered CD-ripper, but now it will be the only game in town! I'll be rich! (insert maniacal laughter here)
  • Not good...not good by peterdaly (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:01PM
  • DRM.. and I don't care... by tjansen (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:02PM
  • Keep your head (Score:5, Insightful)

    From the article...

    It does say the final "encoding rules" should take into account fair-use rights, such as making backup copies or reproducing short excerpts from books, songs, or movies. Copies of TV broadcasts made for one-time personal use at home are also permitted.

    In other words, if you write congress and rant that they are "outlawing fair use" or something like that, the letter will go straight into the trash because they believe they ARE taking care of them.

    If you want to oppose this law (and I think that would be a good idea), the argument needs to be based on economics (making consumer products more expensive), inconvenience (does this in practical terms make it much more difficult to exercise fair use rights), or privacy (will you have to register a music purchase in order to get a digital copy)?

    I'm speculating right now, because we won't really know what it says until we can read the actual law.

    The bottom line is that arguments that it's your right to steal copyrighted material will play right into their hands as proof that this law is needed. I think it behooves everyone to realize that laws are generally written to solve problems, and the problem here is copyright theft. The argument against it needs to be that this solution creates more problems than it solves.

    I think people should also remember that something like this WILL solve the problem of copyright theft, and not try to convince yourself that it won't. Will it possibly not stop certain people from making illegal digital copies? Of course not -- but that's not the point. The music industry doesn't care about Joe L33t making copies, it cares about the mass market making copies. It only has to be "good enough" to be effective.

    • Re:Keep your head by ethereal (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:27PM
    • Re:Keep your head by bughunter (Score:3) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:51PM
    • Re:Keep your head by Account 10 (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:57PM
    • Economics by erotus (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @08:01PM
    • Re:Keep your head (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Chops (168851) on Thursday March 21 2002, @08:25PM (#3204849)
      You know what would cut digital copying down to an acceptable level, where it genuinely wouldn't cut into the studio's profits? If people got in trouble for it.

      All the weeping and wailing the industry does about "millions of illegal copies" and "no way to prevent it" flies in the face of the basic fact that this stuff is de facto legal, since the copyright holders have shown no interest in bringing charges against any of those millions of people who are breaking the law on a daily basis. Nowhere else does the law work like this. "All across the country, people are driving too fast, because not a single person has ever gotten a ticket. Ever. We must need special devices in all the cars that prevent them from exceeding the speed limit." When you write your congressfolk, remember to point out that thus far, the industry has shown no interest in even trying to use the laws already on the books to protect their copyrighted materials, and that this is an attempt to push the cost of enforcement off onto another industry, where it will be more expensive, less effective, and more of a pain in the ass for those all-important "consumers." Other industries do this right -- the credit card companies already eat an estimated billion dollars a year [firn.edu] in losses from fraud (in the US); they pursue the more flagrant cases, do what they can to make it difficult for fraud to occur, and do fairly well for themselves overall. What they don't do is go whining to congress about how possession of card readers should be made a felony.
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    • Re:Keep your head by kcbrown (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @09:24PM
    • Re:Keep your head by Ioldanach (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @10:40PM
    • What about artists rights to distribute stuff? by richieb (Score:2) Friday March 22 2002, @07:39AM
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  • Oh shit. by _Knots (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:02PM
  • My question about licensing data.. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by antis0c (133550) on Thursday March 21 2002, @07:03PM (#3204331)
    Technically, when you purchase a CD, the only thing you actually own is the plastic disc. What you spent most of the money on was a license to use that data for yourself. Be it Music, Video Games, Software, etc. The license cannot be destroyed, as long as proof of the license exists. So does that mean if I accidently break a copy of Tony Hawk 3 for Playstation 2, I should then have to pay another 40 dollars for yet another license of Tony Hawk 3? Or shouldn't I be entitled to then buy a CDR and burn Tony Hawk 3 from an ISO? (Yes, I'm aware PS2 isn't CD, it's a hypothetical thing), or perhaps mail away a trivial amount of money (a few dollars for shipping and cost of media) to obtain another copy of Tony Hawk 3? Shouldn't it work that way? So far it hasn't, anyone I've talked to or emailed won't send me a copy of a music CD I scratched badly and doesn't play, even though I'm willing to pay for the portion that's actually the physical media.

    For example, a friend of mine was borrowing a DVD from his brother. My friend's laptop was stolen, with the DVD inside. Obviously the laptop is the bigger issue, but he had to go out to Best Buy and plop down another 24 dollars for a DVD to replace the one that was stolen with his laptop. Why couldn't he call Columbia or Paramount or Universal and have them ship him another disc after he provided some kind of verification that he owns a license for it? The actual DVD media costs what, 50 cents max? But nope, it doesn't work that way..

    They're treating the data as a sold product and as a licensed product, depending on how it suits them at the time.. And thats wrong. It's that old saying, you can't have your cake and eat it too..

  • easy way to begin doing something by call -151 (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:04PM
  • Live free of die by wwwgregcom (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:05PM
  • Let me get this straight... by e_n_d_o (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:06PM
  • I wish Rep. Boucher was there (Score:3, Insightful)

    by I Want GNU! (556631) on Thursday March 21 2002, @07:07PM (#3204355) Homepage
    Am I the only person that wishes Rep. Boucher was in the Senate instead of Hollings? He's the one person I can think of in politics who is technologically informed and not in the pockets of big media conglomerates.

    We can remember him as the person sending the letter to the RIAA [dotcomscoop.com] questioning their practice of labelling copy protected CD's as normal CD's, and drafting up tech friendly legislation.
  • Software to be open source (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Alien54 (180860) on Thursday March 21 2002, @07:07PM (#3204361) Journal
    As seen in the wired article:

    One bright spot for free software advocates: Any software that implements the standards must be "based on open source code." Hardware copy-protection schemes can remain proprietary.

    Now this ought to prove interesting

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  • Make Your Voice Heard (Score:3, Informative)

    by erasmus_ (119185) on Thursday March 21 2002, @07:08PM (#3204369)
    Remember that email link we had in another story that allowed you to submit comments to the government committee regarding this issue? Well, I submitted my voice, only to get this today

    We are no longer accepting comments via e-mail, as we have created a new,
    web-based submission form. I encourage you to please re-submit your comments at
    http://judiciary.senate.gov/special/input_form.cfm ?comments=1 [senate.gov].


    So although it's too bad that this apparently means that all those emails were ignored, here is yet another chance to make your voice heard. Please take advantage of it. In my case, I just pasted my email to the comments form.
  • Help me write a fax and a letter (Score:5, Interesting)

    by dada21 (163177) <adam.dada@gmail.com> on Thursday March 21 2002, @07:08PM (#3204371) Homepage Journal
    Honorable Senator Durbin,

    On March 21, 2002, Honorable Senator Hollins presented a bill to the Senate called the CBDTPA (the Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Promotion Act). This bill, if voted into law, would prohibit the sale of of kind of electronic device, unless the device had copy-protection standards built-in as set by the federal government.

    As you may know from previous letters I have sent to you, I am a strict privacy and consumer rights advocate. In the 2000 election, many of my friends, clients, and collegues considered my recommendations before they cast their votes. This bill will quite possibly be the most important vote you will cast in my consideration for voting to continue your incumbency in your next election. I urge you to vote NO to this bill, or any bills with similiar intent.

    As is consistent with the soft-money problems the Congress and Senate have been facing, this bill has been created solely to protect the copyright holders, and to prevent consumers from utilizing all the rights given to them in the numerous copyright laws that have been past over our nation's history. I believe this bill is justly unconstitutional, and it would be against your oath of office to vote such unconstitutional text into law.

    I am a firm believer in a copyright holder's right to protect their works, but no law should prevent copyright purchasers from exercising their rights. The CBDTPA goes too far in condemning piracy -- it prevents MANY of the rights given to the purchasers of a copywritten material. Let the free market offer better ways to protect the rights of the copyright holders, such as better research into encryption technology, or let the software manufacturers create their own hardware that will only play their products. There are ways to totally lock the consumer out of their rights, without resorting to laws that will infrindge on those rights. Let the software authors and publishers work them out themselves.

    If you vote YES to this bill, I will assume that you have fallen pray to the large donations your campaign has received from corporate proponents of this bill, such as $2000 you received this year from the MPAA, or the $1000 you received this year from the NAB, or the $5000 you received this year from the National Cable Television Association. If this is the case, then I know that you are no longer working for your constituents or for the common man, but for big business, and my vote will not be YES to keep you in office.

    Your constituent,

    xxxxxxxx
  • by mmusn (567069) on Thursday March 21 2002, @07:08PM (#3204374)
    News Corp. and Walt Disney Co. stepped up their high-profile campaign Wednesday to enlist Washington's help in stopping Internet thievery,

    With reporting like that, how can there even be a rational discussion? I mean, no law-abiding citizen could be opposed to "stopping thievery", right?

    Since companies like Disney are succeeding in recasting the debate in a form in which the any use of their content that they don't approve of is called "thievery" and "piracy", the debate is already lost.

    The real thiefs, of course, are companies like Disney, which have built business empires on reusing public-domain content while at the same time increasingly violating fair use and public domain provisions of copyright, and even paying off legislators to give them special privileges.

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  • It's clearly not going to pass... by anthony_dipierro (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:09PM
  • I wrote this earlier but it still applies... by I Want GNU! (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:09PM
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  • CBDTPA ? by Max the Merciless (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:09PM
    • Re:CBDTPA ? by Skevin (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:50PM
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  • Encouraging copying in younger generation by o_kenway (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:09PM
  • Second to none? by e_n_d_o (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:10PM
  • No way.. by gizmoiscariot (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:10PM
    • Re:No way.. by neoevans (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:22PM
      • Re:No way.. by Dr.Dubious DDQ (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @08:14PM
    • Re:No way.. by HamNRye (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:23PM
  • Hollings homepage by uchi (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:11PM
  • The Million Geek March (Score:4, Funny)

    by rarose (36450) <rarose2003@NOsPaM.yahoo.com> on Thursday March 21 2002, @07:11PM (#3204396) Homepage
    On to Washington! Give Linus or maybe Stallman a bullhorn on the monument steps. :-)
  • Can you say "black market"? by james_moriarty (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:12PM
  • How to stop this bill (Score:3, Informative)

    by CathedralRulz (566696) on Thursday March 21 2002, @07:12PM (#3204409)
    Despite what some people may think, most Senators try to do what is needed to make their constituents happy. I've worked in this "industry" for a very long time. Here is what I suggest you do to defeat this bill:

    Write an actual letter to your two Senators and House member. Do not bother to email the office - it gets deleted. Make sure your letter is at least two pages long and is well written - typed, not handwritten. We use to have a wall where we would put up "nut mail" - make sure your letter doesn't wind up here.

    Find out who the legislative assistant is for this issue. The senator or representative has literally hundreds of issues to deal with on a daily basis - so he delegates research and advisory power to people on an issue by issue basis. One guy may do defense and foreign affairs, another maybe judiciary and constituent service, etc. Find out the *name* of the legislative assisatant for this issue and communicate with them directly.

    Get a group of similarly minded people to meet with the Senator/Rep and his senior staff. Don't feel like going to Washington DC? Remember that your member probably has several offices spread throughout your area and he always come home on the weekends. Remember - it's important that the member have a senior staff member PRESENT when you meet with him. This means he is taking you seriously.

    Be polite. Do not make a damn fool out of yourself and put on a tie. Always be reasonable and patient. This is an easy case to make - maybe /. people can organize "lobby presentation package" that you can use when you meet with your member.

    Good luck. I believe that digital media needs to be legally protected, but this is not the way to do it. Civil litigation, not federal legislation.

  • RRRAAAAAARRRGGGHHH!!! by SnicklesTheElf (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:14PM
  • This is a complete fake-out by kindbud (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:15PM
  • can this possibly be good for anybody? by Niten (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:19PM
  • content industry? by bj3g2j (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:19PM
  • I smell eBay! by neanderdude (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:20PM
  • This bill wo't become law because... (Score:5, Informative)

    by Patoski (121455) <pato DOT san AT gmail DOT com> on Thursday March 21 2002, @07:20PM (#3204458) Homepage Journal

    The chairman of the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Intellectual Property Howard Coble (R-North Carolina) opposes the bill and won't bring it up therefore the bill is DOA.

    You can get more info over at Wired [wired.com]. That little Disney shill Hollins can try and repay his evil mouse ear masters but it won't avail him...

  • SSSCA an ancronym for by jmichaelg (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:21PM
  • Only Possibility of an Illegal Act by Sean80 (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:21PM
  • Bad slogan? by diatribe (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:26PM
  • by joshjs (533522) <joshjsNO@SPAMcs.uwm.edu> on Thursday March 21 2002, @07:30PM (#3204516) Homepage
    ...something very, very profane.
  • Bigger Fears by nickynicky9doors (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:31PM
  • How long? by axlrosen (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:34PM
  • completely unreasonable requirements by happyclam (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:35PM
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  • giving the private sector a snowball's chance by mossmann (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:38PM
  • Next Step by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:39PM
    • Re:Next Step by Frank T. Lofaro Jr. (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @08:45PM
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    • Re:Next Step by spitzak (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @11:19PM
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  • What we should really be asking ourselves here... by joshjs (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:40PM
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  • Hit them where it hurts by meggito (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:41PM
  • As if Legalese weren't bad enough... by erroneus (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:41PM
  • End of my MP3 player project ?? by pjrc (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:42PM
  • Mandates "open source code" (Score:3, Interesting)

    by diaphanous (1806) <pgarland@ g m a il.com> on Thursday March 21 2002, @07:42PM (#3204595) Homepage
    If you read page 9, lines 15 and 16, in a list of the technical requirements for the standard it reads:

    "(2) Any software portion of such standards is based on open source code"

    --Phillip
  • experience with Sen. Kerry from a MA constituen by jdbo (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:43PM
  • As Usual by ryan_83 (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:53PM
  • Too bad... by sconeu (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:55PM
  • Hollings Resolutions.... by Tranvisor (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:56PM
  • Yeah! Contradictions! by bushidocoder (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:56PM
  • Anyone read this? by FurryFeet (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:58PM
  • Boycott of Disney and Class Action Suit by HunterA3 (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:59PM
  • Interesting note by benjamin_scarlet (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @08:01PM
  • CBDTPA really stands for by vagn (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @08:01PM
  • Truth in labeling? by nytes (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @08:03PM
  • Domino Effect by AnalogDiehard (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @08:03PM
  • TALK ABOUT THE ECONOMY! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by gnovos (447128) <gnovos@@@chipped...net> on Thursday March 21 2002, @08:06PM (#3204749) Homepage Journal
    In your letters, don't go on and on about "fair use". That is all well and good, but doesn't register with senators. Talk about how this bill with DECIMATE the tech/hardware industry and set us back years, which in the tech industry, is tantamount to complete economic collapse. Talk about how many jobs will be lost, nay, GIVEN to foreign interests, talk about the money and the talent that will be streaming from this country out into the rest of the world. Most importantly, be nice, be pragmatic, be logical, but never stray from the message: If this bill passes, the senators that vote for it will go down in the history books as the men who destroyed the American economy.
  • Whatever else the problem may be... by superflippy (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @08:07PM
  • Forget the black market by zfractal (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @08:08PM
  • I love these guys by zaffir (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @08:09PM
  • This is the most absurd bill... by evilpaul13 (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @08:09PM
  • Welcome: Underground and Covert Computer Building by idonotexist (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @08:20PM
  • Senate? What Senate? by istartedi (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @08:23PM
  • Copyright protection by HardYakka (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @08:23PM
  • by cacav (567890) on Thursday March 21 2002, @08:24PM (#3204843)
    OpenSecrets lists donations from the TV/Movie/Music industries to senators. For example, this link [opensecrets.org] shows donation totals over all election cycles they have info for all of the senators.
    One thing I found interesting in that page is that Hillary Clinton is #4 in the $ amount for senators in all cycles with $601,345; >90% of that was in 2000 alone. Damn, she works fast... And to further screw those of us in New York like myself planning on writing both senators, Schumer wasn't far behind with $519,935 total; and he was #1 in 2002 with about $95K. Somehow I doubt they'll listen to my opinions on the matter...
  • Options by D.A. Zollinger (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @08:25PM
    • Re:Options by danheskett (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @08:29PM
    • Re:Options by Boomerang Fish (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @10:59PM
  • "Government Intervention" necessary?... by Dr.Dubious DDQ (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @08:31PM
  • Higher quality copy. (Score:5, Informative)

    by Irvu (248207) on Thursday March 21 2002, @08:35PM (#3204899)
    A higher quality copy of the bill is availible at Cryptome [cryptome.org]
    • out of date by FredGray (Score:3) Thursday March 21 2002, @11:04PM
  • SSSCA is... by Ironpoint (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @08:36PM
  • The contents of my letter.... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by KaiserSoze (154044) on Thursday March 21 2002, @08:37PM (#3204908) Homepage
    Here is the letter I just wrote. Please plagiarize as needed to get your point across to YOUR representative:

    I would genuinely like to know why our government would insist on providing legal protection to companies so they can continue to turn profits.

    The RIAA/MPAA refuse to provide copyrighted material in a sane and fair fashion to those who desire it. They insist on demonizing their very customers to the point where making a videotape of something you see on TV is held in the same light as the rape of a woman [see previous statements of Jack Valenti]. The newly opened RIAA-sanctioned online music venues push consumers into an even more punishing relationship with the aforementioned group. For those people who haven't payed their monthly "music" bill, they lose not only the ability to download new songs, but all of their previously paid for songs as well.

    When did it come to this? Copyright was a deal between the public and copyright holders. They get a limited monopoly on money made, and ultimately the work enters the public domain for the enrichment of all society. When did our government decide that Hilary Rosen knows more about writing laws than the founders of our country?

    "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries ..." That's what the Constitution of our country said, and nearly all aspects of it have been trampled in the entertainment industries' search for more profit. The fact that I will never, in my lifetime, get public domain access to ANY work created in my time fills me with a deep sadness, for we are not talking about things like popular music and tomorrow's movie premier. We are talking about literature, music, and scientific research. Those words used to have meaning. They used to represent the aspects of our society that we cherished: the Arts. Now they're perverted so that a music executive earns another $50,000 bonus this year. People used to make incredible sacrifices to be able to learn how to read; now the publishing industry would like to charge every time a page in a book is turned. Music used to be an honorable profession, musicians were artists; now our music is churned out on an assembly line so that the RIAA members can increase their bottom line. I make such points not to slander the artists or authors, but to make a point that our society has slowly transformed from one that respects the Arts to one that consumes artcraft.

    I will make the bold statement that this legislation is bought and paid for. I say this not out of incredible naivety of our political system, but out of the frustrated realization that the entertainment industry has performed an end-run on our culture. They believe that they define our culture, that they should have the right to sell us our own culture, one byte at a time. I say that they reflect our culture, like a mirror, and they should thank society on their knees that we let them charge us at all.

    Why? Why is it that some parts of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are held in such high regard, such as the right to Free Speech, and others, such as copyright, are looked upon as the acts of the devil? Why is copyright extended every 20 years? Why can't I copy an out of print book from 1950 and give it to my friends? Are we ready to draw a line in the sand and say that profits are more important than education? More important than wonder? This is not about MP3s, or DIVX movie streams. This is about taking the basic deal between content producer and content consumer and twisting it until every one of us must pay for every second we are exposed to anything created by anyone. There is no more concept of property. I don't "own" a book, or a dvd anymore. I am merely leasing it from the company.

    In court, we are frequently asked to deliberate on the "intent" of the law, rather than the wording. I say that the original intent of copyright law does not exist even slightly anymore. Moreover, instead of a bill that gives ever more rights to copyrightholders and ever more penalties to copyright consumers, perhaps our elected representatives could swing the proverbial pendulum back in our favor by stripping the entertainment industry of its most devastating weapon against freedom of information: the DMCA.

    I sincerely hope that our dear Senators take to heart the fact that they are putting the pleading of an industry above the country's Constitutionally provided contract with its own people. For those who have read this far, thank you for your time.
  • At the hearings Sen. Hollings held, Intel co-founder (and Executive VP) Leslie Vadasz was the only person there who spoke out against the SSSCA, earning him charges of "supporting piracy" from the other people there. Send him a letter indicating that you appreciate his and his company's support of consumer rights; if you purchase Intel products (not just chips, they make a ton of stuff) let him know that too. I know a lot of you aren't fans of Intel, but for whatever reason when a company does the Right Thing we should let them know we support it (in hopes of encouraging them to take similar stands in the future).

    See the EFF page [eff.org] on the issue for contact info and additional information.
  • by ClarkEvans (102211) on Thursday March 21 2002, @08:45PM (#3204945) Homepage
    (what I sent to a select few congress people)

    I am writing regarding Sen Holling's SSSCA and request your attention
    since I am a D.C. resident who does not have a voting senator. I
    listened to the hearings on this bill and was not happy with the
    one-sided nature of the discussion. I'd like to take time to point out
    a few flaws in the argument.

    First, the bill is to require specific "security" measures in personal
    computers and other electronic devices to prevent copying of
    materials, such as music, videos, books, etc. We don't require such
    "security" measures for handguns, which can kill people... why have
    such measures on electronic media which educate people?

    Second, the witnesses to the hearings were all large corporations and
    "common folk" or people representing consumers were not present. Sen
    Hollings didn't even attempt to discover what potential problems his
    legislation may cause, nor did he question some of the (rather absurd)
    testimony by the Recording Industry. He could have included people
    such as Lawerence Lessig, for example. But he didn't. This is so
    clearly legislation by the corporation, for the corporation. The
    public had no voice.

    Third, it talked as if large number of people would violate the law if
    they didn't enact the measure. The discussion failed to take into
    account that _most_ reasonable people follow the law... if they think
    the law is fair. If there is a bulk of illicit copying going on, it's
    probably a sign that the laws regarding copyright may not be fair.
    Indeed, those resonable people who would normally speak out about
    injustice are privately pleased by and encourage illicit copying.
    Why? Beacuse Copyright law as it stands now is questionably
    constituional (Eldrige vs Reno). So, why are we moving so quickly
    when copyright itself (namely the extensions and massive protection
    the recording industry enjoys) is under question?

    Fourth, a large part of the testimony was about how the Recording
    Industry is having a hard time making a profit (despite the increasing
    profits despite the illicit copying). What struck me as amazing is
    that the RI admitted that for every very successful movie, there are
    100s of them that are not successful. As a business person who owns
    my small business, I'd be bankrupt if I had such a high failure rate.
    So, it seems that the RI wants extra monopoly protection (via
    copyright law and "security" measures) so that they can continue being
    innefficient. If I was on the committee, I'd send them back to their
    drawing board... perhaps there entire industry could use a shakeup.
    With new digital cameras, small productions are becoming more and more
    prevalent. Perhaps we don't need a big Recording Industry anymore?

    Lastly, the whole legislation seems premature, largely based on
    speculation. Everything works "ok" now... why mess with the dial? It
    could come out much much worse if we do. Why not wait till the RI comes
    forth with "massively decliining profits" (which I doubt will happen)
    and then ask if small recording groups have filled in the hole? If
    small production facilities emerge, this could mean _more_ variety,
    _more_ arts, and _more_ jobs (taxes) ... not less jobs as described by
    the recording industry.

  • Boycott Star Wars by Lonath (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @08:52PM
  • Laws are not Magic Wands by dutchdabomb (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @09:05PM
  • Quit Whining And Hit Back, Or Just Quit Whining by alexander.morgan (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @09:06PM
  • Senate in recess April 5 by morgue-ann (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @09:07PM
  • I'm kind-of hoping it goes through by Introspective (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @09:08PM
  • This bill will come to law by Psx29 (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @09:08PM
  • We need to form a lobbying org! by malice95 (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @09:11PM
  • DVDs? by SnoopDobb (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @09:11PM
  • What if I have obtained written permission? by camt (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @09:12PM
  • consumers WANT to spend 2K on HDTV and $50 on DSL? by ppetrakis (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @09:13PM
  • Incredible (Score:5, Insightful)

    by The Cat (19816) <the_cat@[ ]vycatweb.com ['hea' in gap]> on Thursday March 21 2002, @09:14PM (#3205044) Homepage
    Accordingly, only early adopters have purchased high definition television sets or broadband Internet access, as these products remain priced too high for the average consumer. The facts are clear in this regard. Only two million Americans have purchased HDTV sets. As for broadband, rural and underserved areas aside, there is not an availability problem. There is a demand problem.

    Hold it. A "demand" problem is not the concern of Congress. If the products are priced too high, and there is little demand, then it is up to the businesses to reduce the price.

    This is wanton "profit by legislation," just like the auto insurance laws. How long before it will be illegal not to own one of these products? Oh yeah, and for all the "slippery slope" trolls: look what's happened to the copyright laws themselves over the past 100 years.

    Roughly 85% of Americans are offered broadband in the marketplace but only 10-12% have signed up. The fact is that most Americans are averse to paying $50 a month for faster access to email, or $2000 for a fancy HDTV set that plays analog movies.

    Right. Because they can't afford it. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that all these huge companies are RAISING PRICES WHILE THEY FIRE THE PEOPLE WHO SHOULD BE BUYING THEIR #%&@$$^_)(*@$% PRODUCTS!! WHAT ABOUT THAT, SENATOR??

    Oh, we should let the market decide there, right? So it's ok for some mumbling, inept, incompetent corporate middle-manager to destroy someone's career, (and indirectly take their home, and security, and money, and investments, and health insurance, and references, and quite possibly their family and children) whenever they feel like it, but the employee must hand over their money whenever marketing rings the bell?

    Well, in the case of the overpriced broadband and HDTV products, the market has decided, and Content Inc. lost. Deal.

    But if more high-quality content were available, consumer interest wou! ld l ikely increase.

    Let's see some evidence of that first. Let's see some content, any content offered by any large corporation besides Super Bowl commercials. Wait, there is one example. Cartoon Network offers web-based versions of some of their programs. They now have 80 million subscribers and are stomping the living crap out of every cable channel they compete with and are scaring the living crap out of the networks too. Hmmmm.....

    The movie studios, and the rest of the copyright industries

    Copyright industries? So, they manufacture copyrights? That is a fascinating and very descriptive term.

    are tremendously excited about the possibility of providing their products to consumers over the Internet and the digital airwaves, provided they can be assured that those products' copyrights are not infringed in the process.

    Sure, as long as they can re-engineer the entire high-tech industry (which manufactures actual products, by the way) before doing so. It wasn't always this way. First they had to lose a Supreme Court case back in the 70s-80s to "allow" the public access to VCRs.

    Although marketplace negotiations have not provided such an assurance, a solution is at hand. Leaders in the consumer electronics, information technology, and content industries are some of America's best and brightest. They can solve this problem.

    So what do we need this legislation for?

    the private sector needs a nudge

    A nudge? A letter is a nudge. This bill is a #%&@$^)(*@$ avalanche.

    consumers desire high-quality digital content on the Internet, and it is not being provided in any widespread, legal fashion.

    Because the Copyright Industries (heh) won't allow it. How about solving that problem? Why is this the "consumer's" fault. (I hate that word).

    mandate to ensure its swift and universal adoption.

    You meant nudge, right, Senator?

    Congress mandated that all television receivers include the capability to tune all channels (UHF and VHF) allocated to the television broadcast service.

    ..while this bill requires all computers to tune to the *one* channel allowed by the Copyright Industries.

    would not be permitted to thwart legitimate consumer copying of programming in the home

    Like Macrovision does?

    - for time shifting purposes, for example.

    How are they going to know the difference? This law mandates it's own uselessness.

    We have listened to their arguments delivered in dozens of meetings with my staff,

    ..and ignored them.

    and the bill we introduce today does nothing of the sort.

    Called it.

    Sigh... it sounds like Macrovision for computers. This will slow down the "Napsterization" of the Copyright Industries (heh) for about six hours. I'm saddened that Diane Feinstein was a co-sponsor of this. She seemed to be quite critical of the bill only a few months ago. Which leaves Californians with only one potential representative on this matter: Barbara Boxer. (ugh)

    The House will probably not pass this legislation, but letters to Senators, Congressmen, *and* the President would probably be a good thing(tm). If this becomes law, computers and software as an industry are going to be damaged and the Internet will become the exclusive domain of the Copyright Industries.

    This goes to show the Cluetrain was right:

    "Big Business sees the consumer as a gullet who's primary function is to swallow products and crap cash."

    The slogan for this bill?

    "Get back on the couch."
    • Re:Incredible by Steve B (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @09:50PM
    • Re:Incredible by kindbud (Score:2) Friday March 22 2002, @10:49AM
    • Re:Incredible by magus_melchior (Score:1) Friday March 22 2002, @06:21PM
  • No crap... by SnoopDobb (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @09:16PM
    • Re:No crap... by t_allardyce (Score:1) Friday March 22 2002, @06:24AM
  • From Hollings' remarks... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by wedg (145806) on Thursday March 21 2002, @09:18PM (#3205058) Homepage Journal
    Newly developed digital compression and memory technologies make it possible to store two complete movies on a device the size of a postage stamp.

    Really? Why didn't I hear about these? It would obsolete DVDs, CDs, even hard drives in one go! Wow! When is the wonder technology available?

    Or maybe he's just talking about memory sticks. I guess if you compressed it down to like 32x48 with 8 or 9 FPS you might be able to fit two on a 256mb stick.

    Or maybe he's talking about actual hard drive space? I guess two movies, in mpeg2 (DVD quality) would take roughly 4GB. In a 160GB HDD, that's roughly 1/40th of the total space devoted to two movies. If you figure that the average harddrive has a volume somewhere around 10 cu.in., that means that 2 movies would be 1/4th of a cubic inch, right? That's still a lot bigger than a stamp. Oh well.

    God bless Politicians and their multiple axises of evils.
  • Corps are taking over.... by Beliskner (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @09:18PM
  • Comrades, by ghack (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @09:42PM
  • If this thing passes... by GrayRanger (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @09:43PM
  • Does This Law Apply To Humans? by alexander.morgan (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @09:44PM
  • The Cost & Benefit Of Broadband by Codeine (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @09:48PM
  • CBDTPA by sab39 (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @09:51PM
  • DALnet channel - #anti-CBDTPA by fire-eyes (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @10:00PM
  • UNBELIEVABLE quote from Senator by kabloie (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @10:04PM
  • A correction! by Slime-dogg (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @10:08PM
  • Who voted for/against the DMCA? by camt (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @10:20PM
  • Dianne Feinstein aiding piracy?? by The Grinner (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @10:33PM
  • Letter to senators by patrickje (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @10:37PM
  • Cliff Notes version of Hollings text by shr3k (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @10:42PM
  • Hollings' Underhanded sneakery by agusus (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @10:46PM
  • Exactly how does this PROTECT the "consumer"? by Jagasian (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @10:48PM
  • the good news for open source... by atomic brainslide (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @10:51PM
  • Hollings is a fscking idiot.. if I can see it... by Kymermosst (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @10:53PM
  • At least they tried to make it better! by imadork (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @10:55PM
  • Democracy is not a spectator sport. by Rimbo (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @11:09PM
  • Hollings is a cheat, a lie, and a scoundrel IMAGES by vmalloc_ (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @11:10PM
  • Hollings needs a good slap upside the head by Coldfusion97 (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @11:23PM
  • Ah, the UNIX prophets knew it all along... by dtrombley (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @11:26PM
  • My senator by saihung (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @11:28PM
  • This is so wrong. by EvilMal (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @11:33PM
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  • Be nice if you complain (Score:3, Insightful)

    by MonMotha (514624) on Thursday March 21 2002, @11:40PM (#3205634)
    If you complain/voice your opinion, be nice about it. The last thing your representative wants is to read a bunch of garbage from "Joe USAizain" who is just blabbing off about how he things this bill sucks because everyone at /. does.

    Voice your opinions about why you think it's bad, not what others say. If you think it might lock OSS out of PCs, say so. If you think it might make a black market, say so. etc, etc. Try not to go off on tangents without tying them back in to your original topic (SSSCA or whatever it's called these days) and using it to furthur your argument.

    Also, KISS. Your rep gets lots of mail and doesn't have time to read 10 page rants. Keep it concise, and offer to provide more info should they be interested (put it on a webpage that they can visit at their leisure so they don't even have to contact you for it). Make sure you don't alienate the peopel who are trying to help you!

    --MonMotha
  • how do we get this into the mass media by Guysdrinkingbeer (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @11:46PM
  • First mandate guns that don't kill people by jelle (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @11:49PM
  • My letter to Feinstein by sg1q (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @11:55PM
  • Wait! Selfish I _wants_ the CBDTPA by twfry (Score:1) Friday March 22 2002, @12:07AM
  • Content Creators are NOT represented! by teamhasnoi (Score:1) Friday March 22 2002, @12:14AM
  • Making Disney Fund the EFF by Threed (Score:1) Friday March 22 2002, @12:15AM
  • Just e-mailed my senators by speedfreak_5 (Score:1) Friday March 22 2002, @12:21AM
  • Did anyone notice this "coincidence"? by kooshball (Score:2) Friday March 22 2002, @12:27AM
  • Will the broadcast flag expire? by daveking (Score:1) Friday March 22 2002, @12:31AM
  • Complete Text of Bill [LONG] by Mad Bad Rabbit (Score:1) Friday March 22 2002, @12:40AM
  • The REAL problem.... by MegaFur (Score:1) Friday March 22 2002, @01:11AM
  • What about copy machines? by DEBEDb (Score:1) Friday March 22 2002, @01:25AM
  • Hollings by Russ Nelson (Score:2) Friday March 22 2002, @01:26AM
  • STUPID WHITE MEN by Aqua OS X (Score:2) Friday March 22 2002, @02:03AM
  • That Old Heinlein Quote by QuoteMstr (Score:1) Friday March 22 2002, @03:15AM
  • Huge security risk by idiot900 (Score:2) Friday March 22 2002, @03:18AM
  • Neospeak. by burtonator (Score:2) Friday March 22 2002, @03:36AM
  • Good thing Bush is a Mac user... by mattkinabrewmindspri (Score:1) Friday March 22 2002, @03:38AM
  • Here's the bill by Nautilus (Score:1) Friday March 22 2002, @03:41AM
  • Is it possible to recall a Senator? by Anthony Boyd (Score:2) Friday March 22 2002, @03:53AM
  • If You're in Texas ... by RWarrior(fobw) (Score:2) Friday March 22 2002, @05:39AM
  • Freedom of Digital Data Exchange Act by TNN (Score:1) Friday March 22 2002, @05:54AM
  • stuff by t_allardyce (Score:1) Friday March 22 2002, @06:30AM
  • Something good, too :-) by Ecyrd (Score:2) Friday March 22 2002, @06:38AM
  • Hollings is way off by Ironpoint (Score:1) Friday March 22 2002, @07:01AM
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  • Don't write congress by AsOldAsFortran (Score:2) Friday March 22 2002, @07:15AM
  • Consumers drive the market, start a boycott! by MrJerryNormandinSir (Score:2) Friday March 22 2002, @08:59AM
  • The bill number is S 2048 by jonatha (Score:1) Friday March 22 2002, @09:30AM
  • CBTDPA might not be so bad afterall by pussyco (Score:2) Friday March 22 2002, @09:48AM
  • If you buy media, you support this legislation. by EllisDees (Score:2) Friday March 22 2002, @09:49AM
  • bullet points for my letter (Score:3, Interesting)

    by elmegil (12001) on Friday March 22 2002, @10:13AM (#3207127) Homepage Journal
    1) I am an amateur musician and need to be able to burn my own music to CD

    2) I am also an amateur artists who does album covers for other musicians

    3) I work for Sun Microsystems who makes general purpose computers, and the threat to the industry threatens my job.

    4) RIAA/MPAA are not poor; note the huge money spent supporting really awful music and movies.

    5) Artists such as Courtney Love dispute claims that they are being supported

    6) RIAA in particular has not put their music into any reasonable electronic format: if things are available at all, they are typically $1 per song. For $1 per song, I can buy a typical album, with uncompressed music, artwork, liner notes and a physical medium for storage. Why would I pay the same for a compressed format with none of the other benefits?

  • A tribute to SSSCA by amyzing (Score:1) Friday March 22 2002, @10:35AM
  • The bill is S.2048 (Score:3, Informative)

    by bluebomber (155733) on Friday March 22 2002, @11:02AM (#3207427) Homepage
    Go here [senate.gov] and punch in "S2048" in the search box. When it has been entered into the system, you will see the text. Yes, the S is necessary.

    From the Congressional Record:


    By Mr. HOLLINGS (for himself, Mr. STEVENS, Mr. INOUYE, Mr. BREAUX, Mr. NELSON of Florida, and Mrs. FEINSTEIN):

    S. 2048. A bill to regulate interstate commerce in certain devices by providing for private sector development of technological protection measures to be implemented and enforced by Federal regulations to protect digital content and promote broadband as well as the transition to digital television, and for other purposes; to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation.


    Committee members [senate.gov] are the following (note that both senators from Oregon are here, your call/letter will matter!). I'd include their phone numbers but the lameness filter doesn't like that...

    DEMOCRATS
    Ernest Hollings, SC, Chmn
    Daniel K. Inouye, HI
    John D. Rockefeller IV, WV
    John F. Kerry, MA
    John B. Breaux, LA
    Byron L. Dorgan, ND
    Ron Wyden, OR
    Max Cleland, GA
    Barbara Boxer, CA
    John Edwards, NC
    Jean Carnahan, MO
    Bill Nelson, FL

    REPUBLICANS
    John McCain, AZ
    Ted Stevens, AK
    Conrad Burns, MT
    Trent Lott, MI
    Kay Bailey Hutchison, TX
    Olympia J. Snowe, ME
    Sam Brownback, KS
    Gordon Smith, OR
    Peter G. Fitzgerald, IL
    John Ensign, NV
    George Allen, VA
  • by alispguru (72689) <baneNO@SPAMgst.com> on Friday March 22 2002, @11:26AM (#3207617) Journal
    The biggest problem with a mandated content control regime is that we all know the mandated scheme won't follow ALL the rules of copyright.

    The content owners are all over the requirements regarding limiting of copying. They make noises about respecting fair use (we know they're lying, but let that go for the moment).

    But, I haven't heard ANY proposal that deals with the Constitutional requirement that copyright is for a LIMITED time, and therefore any scheme for automatic digital rights enforcement MUST have an automatic expiration - there must be a way to disable the protection when the copyright expires.

    This expiration mechanism must be built in at the same level as the copy-protection mechanism, because BOTH of them are required by the Constitution.

    What do you think the chances are that a mandated content control scheme will simultaneously prevent copying, allow fair-use copying, allow unlimited copying when the copyright expires, and be uncrackable? And if it can't do all those things at once, guess which ones will be dropped as infeasible.
  • Fuzzy Math by verloren (Score:1) Friday March 22 2002, @11:42AM
  • Broadcast content is free? by RazzleDazzle (Score:2) Friday March 22 2002, @11:59AM
  • I actually hope they pass it by Salsaman (Score:2) Friday March 22 2002, @12:25PM
  • From the outside by MarcOiL (Score:1) Friday March 22 2002, @01:45PM
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  • We Shall prevail. by dopefish3 (Score:1) Friday March 22 2002, @01:47PM
  • text of legislation by tuanjim_2001 (Score:1) Friday March 22 2002, @01:51PM
  • The act requires the protection to be open source. by Yottabyte84 (Score:2) Friday March 22 2002, @02:26PM
  • Copy protection is impossible without ear and eye by thunderhoof (Score:1) Thursday March 28 2002, @07:24AM
  • Going back on-topic by cyberformer (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @06:58PM
  • Re:these conservatives...what vandals they are by Dr Fro (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:01PM
  • Re:Slashcode's HTML vs. Microsoft HTML by bushidocoder (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:05PM
  • Re:Assassination by erroneus (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @07:51PM
  • Re:Assassination by Warped-Reality (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @08:01PM
  • Even BSA doesn't want tech sector to implode. by Frank T. Lofaro Jr. (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @08:34PM
  • Re:as much as I hate the mpaa and riaa , by J'raxis (Score:1) Thursday March 21 2002, @10:32PM
  • "Fucking Consumers in the Ass Act" not as PC by Chris Burke (Score:2) Thursday March 21 2002, @11:20PM
  • Re:Senator Hollings by FLTango (Score:1) Friday March 22 2002, @10:32AM
  • Re:WTO and Protests... by thunderhoof (Score:1) Thursday March 28 2002, @07:52AM
  • Re:Slashcode's HTML vs. Microsoft HTML by Media Tracker (Score:1) Saturday March 30 2002, @01:19PM
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