Investigating Online Office Suites 101
jcatcw writes "Computerworld reviewed four online office suites — Ajax13, Google Docs & Spreadsheets, ThinkFree Online and Zoho Office Suite. None has all the applications and features of Microsoft Office, but if you're looking for the core office applications in an access-anywhere format, at least two were surprisingly sophisticated. The article weighs the ability to save files to a centralized server quite heavily in its ranking. The winner is ThinkFree Office because it provides the most sophisticated features and has the best Microsoft Office compatibility. Zoho's suite is the second choice."
Doesn't Matter (Score:5, Funny)
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And how well would it render in W3 [gnu.org]?...
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So ssh'ing to a computer with emacs will nto make it web based, unless you somehow rig the PC to offer you emacs in a web browser. Actually, no, no http, no web based app.
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Hell will freeze over the day a modal editor becomes web-enabled. VI will still be the best editor in 20 years, and it will STILL be used over a serial line.
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I suddenly have the urge to write a JavaScript port of vi. Something like this:
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Ah, thank you very much... I was about to have to come and defend my sense of humour yet again... heheheheheheh
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Did I miss the joke? How are files edited with emacs and vi not text files?
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From there, run VIM on your tex files and you're all set. Also try mutt for your webmail.
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Google Docs and Spreadsheets (Score:5, Interesting)
Still, the sharing feature is cool. But the Gmail integration is the main reason I'm loathe to try any alternatives.
Re:Google Docs and Spreadsheets (Score:4, Informative)
A good thing about the article is that it made me realize there may be a better alternative in ThinkFree.
It could be a LOT better. (Score:5, Interesting)
Case in point: a few days ago someone emailed me a DOC file. Why isn't there an option to open it in D&S? It'll view it as HTML, or Download it, but what I'd really like would be one-click to turn it into an editable, publishable document. As it was, I had to download it, then re-upload it to D&S in order to produce an editable version. Not a huge problem, but if I had been on a computer where I wasn't allowed to save documents, it would have been. It's just stupid to make me pull a document down to my local machine from one Google server, only to upload it back to another Google server a minute later.
Also, when you do have a document open in D&S, why isn't there an option to email a copy to someone? Okay, I know I can invite them to edit it online, and I could always publish it and send them an invite, but why not something where I can send them a DOC version as an email attachment? That's a lot easier for many people to deal with. And while we're at it, how about some form of change tracking that would let me email a copy to someone, let them edit it offline, and then a way to re-import it to D&S (via the one-click, above) so that it would be change-tracked, as if they had logged-in to edit it? Expecting everyone to have a Google ID to edit documents is ridiculous. I can't convince everyone in my family to get Google IDs, much less everyone I'd like to share documents with, everywhere.
I think it's a great service, and a great start. But it has a long way to go, even within becoming part of Google's "suite" of services.
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In your account, look at the upload page. There's an email address there that you can use to email stuff into your D&S space. So, you could simply forward the message to your upload address. It's not "one-click," but it's still pretty easy -- and it doesn't require you to make use of the local computer.
Also, when you do have a document open in D&S, why isn't there an option to email a copy to
Re:It could be a LOT better (Score:1)
well, the functionality is quite limited however. What is does is it converts the doc files into html and then publishes it online.....it doesn't allow other people to edit it...not soooo bad but of
not looking? (Score:2)
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is there anyone else who is seeing this option?? I don't see any such thing in my case [unfortunately :-( ]
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An Excel attachment that was emailed to me just yesterday has these options:
14K _View as HTML_ _Open as a Google spreadsheet_ _Download_
Spreadsheets, yes; WP, no? (Score:1)
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If you use Firefox and the Google Firefox Toolbar Version 3 [google.com], you can:
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I'm a lazy idiot (Score:1, Insightful)
thanks in advance
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2. access an office apps on any computer with a net connection, anywhere, no need to have the applications installed on the computer itself. handy if you don't carry a laptop and you need to work on something somwhere other than work/home, like at a public library or something. just pull up one of these online office suites, have your file (thumbdrive, online storage, etc.) and whomp away at it.
3. maybe.
4. dep
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http://portableapps.com/apps/office/openoffice_po
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OpenOffice is a standalone application [wikipedia.org], the office suites presented in the review are web applications [wikipedia.org].
simple explanation:
- to use OpenOffice you have to install it on every computer where you need it. (if you don't have the installer specific for the platform, think about the time it takes to download it)
- to use these online office suites you need only a web browser (almost every OS distribution comes with one included, in a short amount of time you can finish writing the document without downloading
One: Mobility. Two: Collaboration. (Score:2)
Problem One is how do you get to all your data, when you might use five or six computers during the course of a week? Rather than having to carry around a laptop/keychain-drive/floppy, D&S lets you sit down at any internet-enabled computer and access all your stuff. You don't need to worry about having the applications installed, or the right copy of that document; it's all on the server, along with the applications.
Problem Two is collaboration. There are some existing
Only Google D&S support OpenOffice formats (Score:1)
well, the conclusion seems to that use the local machine for editing etc. and then use google or whatever for only publishing purposes.
Website Bugged (Score:3, Informative)
I would have grabbed the article text. Maybe someone else can post it if they get through for others that get bugged.
Re:MS Office Compatability? (Score:4, Informative)
You would be AssUMe-ing too much. For the purposes of Ajax13, I'm fairly certain (based on their serverside messages) that they're using Jakarta POI [apache.org] to read Microsoft Documents. Thinkfree's development actually predates the general availability of OpenOffice and, I believe, uses their own in-house API. (Though I may be incorrect about that last part.) Google uses... whatever Google uses. I don't think the information on their backend is really available.
Long story short, there are more APIs out there than just OpenOffice.
Heavy as a schoolbus (Score:4, Interesting)
Comparing compatibility to MS Office is the same as articles claiming something was "as large as a VW car," "as heavy as two schoolbuses," or "as long as two and a half football fields." It's not a freaking standard, and we shouldn't have to abide by it.
Unfortunately, though, we do. :/
Meh...a solution in search of a problem (Score:2)
Virtually every computer I use in business and at home already has an office suite built in, whether it be Office, OpenOffice, or whatever-Dell-is-shipping-these-days.
At home, my office use consists of writing sick day excuse notes for my kids.
At the office, all my customers and colleagues use and have Office and most of the documents eventually end up in PDF form anyway. Version
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So I still say...meh...
The copy of MS Office I got with my machine was "free" in the sense that my company shelled out for it, not me.
The copy of OpenOffice or Corel I have on my home systems is free.
So why should I use these online versions?
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The main benefit, IMHO, of online suites is the instant availability of the product. For dashing off a quick note they are perfect since you can do so within a browser. Many people have browsers running constantly. On older, whitebox, non-MS, or home-built machines it could be the only readible available suite. There's a trend too. First desktops were king. Then laptops. Now people are carrying around handhelds with more power than the desktop I used 4 years ago. Add an
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It's an interesting concept, and this could be the wave of the future, but in order for that future to arrive, a lot of things need to happen first...
1. High speed internet in every home. And not jus
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Unwise to use them for confidential data (Score:5, Insightful)
Keep this in mind when you use services to create or save documents. It doesn't matter if it's a spreadsheet, email, or what-not.
And for heaven's sake don't store my credit-card number on Google. CowboyNeal's maybe but not mine.
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> confidential or private data unless it's encrypted
> and you hold the only keys
And it's not a bad idea to send such documents over an encrypted transport like indi [getindi.com] rather than via unsecured email.
So store it on your own server! (Score:1, Redundant)
One interesting thing I read about their choice (ThinkFree) is that they offer software you can install on your own server [thinkfree.com] to store your documents safely and securely. If you're a company, you could run your own ThinkFree server, presumably with as much security and encryption you want. Or heck, since it only costs $30 per year, I suppose you could run your own ThinkFree server with any security and encryption you want, access your documents anywhere, and still come out way ahead financially if you're wil
Re:Unwise to use them for confidential data (Score:4, Interesting)
I completely agree with your statement. Swapping convenience for security is the name of the game. I used Writely.com before it became Google D&S. I found it mainly useful to leave lasting notes-to-self from work, and when I needed to whip up something with a little more shine than wordpad. For anything professional, OOO + [distribution system of choice] is the way to go.
I disagree (Score:2)
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Explain to me please.... (Score:2, Interesting)
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COMING SOON: Google Office Appliance (Score:2, Interesting)
You are very correct, however here is the beauty of this whole scenario, after the kinks are ironed out with all of this, then I anticipate that they will release an appliance with the Web/App and storage included (or SAN attachable), allowing for corporations to have their own Office Solution. The real bonus from this comes from the ability to archive and search all from the web/app. Imagine being to be able to search all of the companies documents (assuming yo
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Well, for one, anything short of 100% MS Office compatibility isn't an option. But if one of these options were compatible, or if MS offered something like this, then I'd do it. I'd rather trust professional administrators to securing my stuff then I'd trust myself doing some half-assed job. The key to running a good business is not necessarily doing everything yourself, but finding the best people to handl
Anyone who wants cheap I.T. (Score:4, Interesting)
Now imagine Google does it all for you, all you need is a client application and a network connection. They guarantee performance, security and that your data is yours when you want it. All for $20 per month per seat.
I'd read TFA but... (Score:1, Funny)
"500 Servlet Exception
java.lang.NullPointerException "
with the stack trace.
How are you folks reading it? Oh wait, I forgot. This is /.!
what about... (Score:3, Funny)
ThinkFree FTW (Score:5, Informative)
Of course, there is a caveat. Thinkfree uses client-side Java rather than being pure-Ajax. This gives it a distinct advantage as the Java GUI tools are far more mature than the embryonic Ajax GUIs. Basically, it was a bit of an unfair fight. Which would bother me, except that Thinkfree Office is an excellent product, and deserves the exposure.
So if you find yourself with a need for a word processor, spreadsheet, and presentation software on the go, keep Thinkfree in mind. It may cost money, but it's quite a bit more convenient than a Linux LiveCD.
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The Java stuff causes problems (Score:4, Interesting)
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Are people crazy? (Score:1, Insightful)
You would at least want some sort of contract to say that can't do things with your documents. That still won't protect you against searches by LE. At least when the data is on your servers, you should get a heads up (barring black bag jobs) that LE has taken an interest in you.
If the company goes bankrupt you may lose your data.
Why n
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People do this kind of things because they realize that 99% of their writing is utterly uninteresting and un-confidential, and 1% is confidential. Just keep that 1% secure, and use whatever is most convenient for the rest.
I use such online editors for sharing shopping lists with my wife, write meeting agendas or minutes collaboratively (if the meeting is not supposed to be secret, why bother with security), and lots and lots of other things. If you think carefully, a very small portion of your stuff is
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Eventually what this is going against is not Office, but Sharepoint.
standalone/local (Score:3, Funny)
Or maybe that would be a waste of time.
real-time versioning (Score:4, Interesting)
I've only used Google Docs (which I still prefer to call Writely because it has fewer syllables) though I'm sure the others are similar.
The one feature that I find novel is the way it does revisions, especially for multi-author documents. The Writely revisions interface is looking more and more like MS Word's "track changes" but with the additional benefits that (a) many people can edit at the same time, and (b) you can see all revisions ever made, whereas in Word, once an author overwrites his own revisions you can't see the old version anymore.
What's worked pretty well with a lot of my colleagues these days is to do everything on Writely until the text is complete, then one person downloads it and does the formatting in Word. (Then submit the paper and get rejected, but that happens with or without Writely.)
That said, I still think LaTeX looks the best but I don't know as many people who use it.
LaTeX and Google Docs (Score:1, Informative)
http://www.sci.usq.edu.au/research/googledocs.php [usq.edu.au]
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Speaking about LaTeX, I am surprised that nobody created a thin frontend for LyX. LyX is a great piece of software, but one shortcoming ot it is that it is a bear to install, you need a complete TeX installation, plus bunch of other tools, in order to use LyX. If somebody figured a way how to keep all this stuff on a server, and just install a small frontend on a user's compu
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MediaWiki uses TeX to display mathematical formulas (anything in <math> tags), so it shouldn't be too much work to extend that to output full documents (in HTML and PDF) instead of little PNG images.
Actually, I'm surprised no-one has done it yet. Hmm...
Real businesses can't use this (Score:1)
Fundamental architecture is a Show stopper (Score:2)
Loosing the ability to use it if your net connection fails is a show stopper right there.
Good for on-the-go people (Score:3, Interesting)
If I need to update one of my tracking spreadsheets, I don't need to worry about whether the computer has a USB outlet (and remember to take it out!), which SD card my file is on, which version of the file is most recent, or whether that computer has the right software to read my file. (Not to mention that office suites tend to take a while to load up)
Every computer that I use has an internet connection and firefox, and I can quickly and reliably log on to Google Spreadsheets to update my spreadsheets.
Now that Google spreadsheets also has a "history" function, I also don't have to worry about constantly saving local backups, either (although my spreadsheets tend to be too big for it to be of much use).
- RG>
"The winner is clear..." (Score:2)
Unpleasantly enough, this is a poorly formatted article where despite their big bold title, you don't find out until page 4 who they think the winner is (ThinkFree). No summary/comparison table either. Bleh.
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Only really good for small-scale use (Score:5, Insightful)
Say it with me class, "you pick the right technology for the job". Thin clients have their place. Office suites is not one of them.
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Are there any promising open source online office suites?
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- Reliability : When was the last time Google or CNN went down to be inaccessible? If you know what you're doing with good amount of cash to build the environment, it's not impossible. You can compare that with how many times people lose document for having to reboot Windows. Data aren't los
The glaring problem with these... (Score:2)
Online mission critical services are not there yet (Score:2)
However the big killer is that my documents go away when either the server goes down or the internet is unavailable.
I can carry my laptop everywhere. I can't get reliable internet connections everywhere. Even reliable electricity is hard some places.
It' a nice idea, and I'll try it again in a couple years. But I'd rather s
HIPPA (Score:2)
That