EU, Chinese, French Regulators Seeking Info on Graphic Cards, Nvidia Says (reuters.com) 44
Regulators in the European Union, China and France have asked for information on Nvidia's graphic cards, with more requests expected in the future, the U.S. chip giant said in a regulatory filing. From a report: Nvidia is the world's largest maker of chips used both for artificial intelligence and for computer graphics. Demand for its chips jumped following the release of the generative AI application ChatGPT late last year. The California-based company has a market share of around 80% via its chips and other hardware and its powerful software that runs them.
Its graphics cards are high-performance devices that enable powerful graphics rendering and processing for use in video editing, video gaming and other complex computing operations. The company said this has attracted regulatory interest around the world. "For example, the French Competition Authority collected information from us regarding our business and competition in the graphics card and cloud service provider market as part of an ongoing inquiry into competition in those markets," Nvidia said in a regulatory filing dated Nov. 21.
Its graphics cards are high-performance devices that enable powerful graphics rendering and processing for use in video editing, video gaming and other complex computing operations. The company said this has attracted regulatory interest around the world. "For example, the French Competition Authority collected information from us regarding our business and competition in the graphics card and cloud service provider market as part of an ongoing inquiry into competition in those markets," Nvidia said in a regulatory filing dated Nov. 21.
Article link ? (Score:3)
Re:Article link ? (Score:4, Funny)
Well, to make up for the lack of URLs and given the topic, I asked ChatGPT to generate some plausible-sounding URLs for it.
https://eu-regulators-investig... [eu-regulat...nvidia.xyz]
https://breakingnews.france-in... [france-inq...vidia.tech]
https://biz-insights-china/202... [biz-insights-china]
https://globaltechhub.asia/nvi... [globaltechhub.asia]
https://regulatory-inquiry-nvi... [regulatory...dernews.eu]
https://tech-beat.businessinfr... [businessinfrance.com]
https://europeanregulatorswatc... [europeanre...watch.tech]
https://asiatechupdate.com/nvi... [asiatechupdate.com]
https://breakingbusinesschina.... [breakingbu...schina.com]
https://regulatory-watch.eu/nv... [regulatory-watch.eu]
https://worldtechfocus.in/nvid... [worldtechfocus.in]
https://www.globaltechwatch.co... [globaltechwatch.com]
https://breaking.francetechnew... [francetechnews.net]
https://asia-innovates-nvidia-... [asia-innov...uiry.cloud]
https://futurebizhub.asia/tech... [futurebizhub.asia]
https://cloud-empire.eu/news-i... [cloud-empire.eu]
You're welcome!
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Nice!
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Someone needs to teach chatgpt the format of a domain name.
One of those doesn't even have a tld.
But, I'm sure AI is going to chANge eVerYThiNG!!11
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Ignoring the obviously-sarcastic "chANge eVerYThiNG!!11":
1. It's "ChatGPT", not "chatgpt"
2. It's "TLD", not "tld"
3. A comma is only used after a conjunction in the case of an interrupting phrase, such as an aside or idiom.
It's good to know you're perfect and never make mistakes, though!
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It's called casual conversation. I'm sure you've never abbreviated anything and always use perfect caps.
Good effort at an ocd slam from the perspective of an Asperger's victim.
As far as chatgpt goes, it doesn't make "mistakes". It just provides incorrect answers.
The Asperger's in you should be aware of the important difference.
As opposed to casual conversation which you read and understood perfectly, the no tld url will simply not work. It is _wrong_. A human can't even interpret what it was supposed to
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I, like you, make mistakes, and that's ***exactly the point*** in a discussion about you criticizing a single minor mistake on a zero-shot task. You think nobody, in making up a URL, has never written a faulty one before?
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An AI should NEVER generate a url without a tld.
That's -the- point.
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It's a Reuters wire story, and most of it is already quoted in TFS.
https://www.usnews.com/news/te... [usnews.com]
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The link [reuters.com] is there to the right of the story title, where it says "(reuters.com)" in light green against the dark green heading background.
Info on [what]? (Score:1)
"For example, the French Competition Authority collected information from us regarding our business and competition in the graphics card and cloud service provider market as part of an ongoing inquiry into competition in those markets," Nvidia said in a regulatory filing dated Nov. 21.
The title and Slashdot's own intro says that they're seeking info on graphic cards. The only example given in the extract from the article says that they've asked for info on the business and competition in the market for graphic cards. Not the same thing. You don't need to know anything about the cards themselves to decide if there's a market/competition issue which is the only thing it's clear they have asked about.
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There's competition in the graphics card market. Both AMD and Intel offer competing products. Being an Nvidia person myself, I haven't bothered with those two for a long time, so I've no idea what kind of competition they really offer. Last I checked, Nvidia had significantly better Linux support, so despite proprietary drivers, I stick with Nvidia graphics and AMD processors. Been working out great for the past two decades!
Competition (Score:2)
nVidia has fielded CUDA as a standard for both Linux and Windows for about 15 years.
AMD supports, at various levels, OpenCL, OpenML, and HIP, mainly for Linux, and a bit for Windows.
Intel has been all over the place. They are trying to push Arc for AI, and has machine learning extensions for Xeon, which you apparently have to pay extra to enable.
So, yeah, nVidia is the way to go for machine learning.
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So are you just against competition law on principle?
TFS says Nvidia has about 80% market share. Should regulators not be watching them for anti-competitive behavior?
No one's accusing them of anything; they're just gathering information.
Sounds to me like governments doing their important if boring job.
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I am against government regulating business in principle, yes, 100% against it.
Government regulates businesses because there is a very long, very sordid history of business leaders doing horrible things to people in the absence of regulation. Here 'people' can refer both to employees, people in the places where the business operates, and the general public.
A certain percentage of human beings are mentally ill and do all manner of really bad things to other people as a result of their mental illness: we call these people sociopaths. For whatever reason, many of these people end up in
Re: the other kind of a raid (Score:2)
So are you just against competition law on principle?
Those laws don't make it illegal to hold a very large market share or even a total monopoly. They only make it illegal to do anything that prevents competitors from entering the market or gaining any significant market share, or making any non-compete deals with competitors (market collusion.)
Though France could be an exception. They get really pissed when a French company doesn't have any market presence, and they do all sorts of things to try to change that, up to and including creating a government run p
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Those laws don't make it illegal to hold a very large market share or even a total monopoly. They only make it illegal to do anything that prevents competitors from entering the market or gaining any significant market share, or making any non-compete deals with competitors (market collusion.)
And how would they know any of this if they don't look for the info?
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Regulators in the European Union, China and France have asked for information on Nvidia's graphic cards, with more requests expected in the future, the U.S. chip giant said in a regulatory filing. From a report:
Who is raiding anyone? Are you always this unhinged?
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And how would they know any of this if they don't look for the info?
Mainly because their competitors would be screaming loudly about the ways nvidia is holding them back in any meaningful way. I don't see anybody doing this. The only thing I've seen is that nvidia has just developed their technology really well. Unless the competitors are demanding access to nvidia's secret sauce, or maybe the competitors are having their best employees poached by nvidia, but antitrust laws don't have any sympathy for those kinds of complaints.
Bottom line: Their closest competitor is AMD, w
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So basically , you don't know what's going on, peppered with some anti-French nonsense..
Who's to say someone didn't quietly complain. And that's the reason it's being looked into.
I'm sure you're right. China and the EU are asking for information because NVIDIA just isn't French enough.
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So basically , you don't know what's going on, peppered with some anti-French nonsense..
Normally when I'm trolling other countries I ignore responses like this because trolling is just trolling. But actually this isn't the first, nor will it be the last time France has tried exactly this. Even other EU states and French citizens have laughed at the French government for trying it. I still remember this the most because it was by far the dumbest idea they've ever had:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Think about it: What on earth made France decide that it MUST have its own Google? What the hell
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I am quite annoyed to have to spend my time on that, but your arguments make little sense.
nor will it be the last time France has tried exactly this.
Just to remind, "exactly this" means "asking information". Indeed it is not the last time.
What on earth made France decide that it MUST have its own Google?
There are answers to that question but let's not diverge from the topic. These arguments about "their own google" might have value in other contexts, but France has never been in the business of graphics card and has not started any initiative in this direction, so it can't be the explanation for the current story.
Also STMicro sti
Re: the other kind of a raid (Score:2)
I am quite annoyed to have to spend my time on that
You don't have to do anything, so if it annoys you to do it then...just don't do it?
Just to remind, "exactly this" means "asking information". Indeed it is not the last time.
The broader context here is around AI, as mentioned in TFA, and my previous commentary.
There are answers to that question but let's not diverge from the topic. These arguments about "their own google" might have value in other contexts, but France has never been in the business of graphics card and has not started any initiative in this direction, so it can't be the explanation for the current story.
Also STMicro still has their plant there, the French and the Italian government are still shareholders with a blocking minority. Also they have Qwant search engine with its own index and it works just fine (and I heard it's the default engine in the computers used by government employees). But again cannot be any explanation there, none is related to graphics cards.
A search engine that works "fine" is hardly ideal, but as you said, another topic. Nevertheless you might want to read into this topic more before you start making assumptions:
https://www.usnews.com/news/te... [usnews.com]
One thing I tend to do badly here is assume other people research into the topic at hand as much as I do. But here you are, so obvio
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A search engine that works "fine" is hardly ideal,
It serves its purpose. What else do you want from it? As a plus, it does not leak data to foreign countries. Maybe the Cisco network gear does, but let's fix one problem at a time.
Taking on your argument about creating local French companies. You think it's a matter of pride -- question what is the problem with that, creating a local industry is money well spent anyway, and people living there don't seem to complain about this part of their political programme. Second, not a matter of pride, it would is mak
Re: the other kind of a raid (Score:2)
It serves its purpose. What else do you want from it? As a plus, it does not leak data to foreign countries. Maybe the Cisco network gear does, but let's fix one problem at a time.
Sure if your standard is "it works", but that's a pretty low bar for a search engine. Having a working search engine is easy. Having a search engine that can provide relevance is another matter entirely, particularly in a world overflowing with SEO spam. Qwant may as well be Yandex.
Taking on your argument about creating local French companies. You think it's a matter of pride -- question what is the problem with that, creating a local industry is money well spent anyway, and people living there don't seem to complain about this part of their political programme. Second, not a matter of pride, it would is making sure the country has infrastructures and technology independence, which seems good idea in general. What don't you like in that they have (or appear to have, in your argument) initiative of creating new businesses? Maybe you don't like the initiative to comes from government?
Probably because this isn't, nor was it ever, within France's wheelhouse. They don't have the local talent, they don't have the local education, and they don't have any relevant existing businesses. That means they have no compar
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You not only don't want them to be successful, you don't want them even to try. According to you they should not launch a new initiative unless their neighbours have done so, nor should they start new infrastructure projects on their own.
Also it should pretty strongly hint to you that your government has its priorities all wrong when
Totally off-topic.
You just decided to post anti-French stuff today.
Re: the other kind of a raid (Score:2)
You not only don't want them to be successful, you don't want them even to try.
I don't care what they do to be totally honest. Though it seems the yellow vests aren't keen on vanity projects.
According to you they should not launch a new initiative unless their neighbours have done so,
I didn't say that. What I said is you don't see their neighbors doing expensive vanity projects.
nor should they start new infrastructure projects on their own.
As I said earlier, none of these are infrastructure projects. At all. AI companies are software companies. Software isn't infrastructure. At best you're talking about commodity hardware, which they're not even manufacturing.
Totally off-topic.
Criticizing the French government is very much on-topic dude. They did raid Nvid
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Criticizing the French government is very much on-topic dude. They did raid Nvidia, after all.
Did they? Nvidia said "collected information". I would call it a raid if a judged issued a warrant and officers showed up at the headquarters. Does not seem to be the case.
You just decided to post anti-French stuff today.
Yeah. What of it?
Oh sure feel free. But I was expecting a technical discussion and moving it to political makes it less relevant for this particular forum. (Also the yellow vests did not complain about technological initiatives, they were impoverished and older citizens complaining about the cost of car fuel, minimum wages and age of retirement.)
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Did they? Nvidia said "collected information". I would call it a raid if a judged issued a warrant and officers showed up at the headquarters. Does not seem to be the case.
That's exactly what they did. It was the very first step in fact. Not only was that already mentioned, several links I've already provided specifically mentioned it as well.
Oh sure feel free. But I was expecting a technical discussion and moving it to political makes it less relevant for this particular forum.
No it doesn't.
(Also the yellow vests did not complain about technological initiatives, they were impoverished and older citizens complaining about the cost of car fuel, minimum wages and age of retirement.)
Exactly, and expensive vanity projects directly compete with that. Not only in terms of where the tax dollars go, but this in particular is a push towards automation.
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Exactly, and expensive vanity projects directly compete with that.
According to https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] polls show that:
44% of Yellow Vest supporters voted for National Rally https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] which is "nationalist, nativist and anti-globalist", wants "distancing France from the American sphere of influence" and supports "economic interventionism and protectionism". A project that intends to replace a US company by a local one is an easy sell, especially if you can sell it as National Pride which is their major interest.
Another 20% of Yellow Vests
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Sounds great and all, but what part of this tells you that they'd like the idea of:
1) Government providing seed funding to a private corporation that has few employees and hasn't produced a product yet
2) The private corporation is in the market of producing automation that people like this typically perceive as putting them out of a job. Just ask rsilvergun.
Furthermore, if they have it in their heads that they can "nationalize" nvidia, then they really have no idea just how poorly that will go considering i
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All parties in France are apologetic about AI. Here a summary for all parties https://www.francetvinfo.fr/in... [francetvinfo.fr] Here about the head of the National Rally https://www.lemonde.fr/politiq... [lemonde.fr] Here a mention of deputy from "France Unbowed" saying he uses ChatGPT every day https://www.leparisien.fr/poli... [leparisien.fr]
Nobody except you ever mentioned nationalizing NVidia. Your profile tells you make up provocative, uninformed BS all day.
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Sorry I lost my temper yesterday. The thing is your political analysis is profoundly mistaken. When you say "expensive vanity projects directly compete with that", you miss the Yellow Vest movement by a parsec. They wanted higher retirement pensions and higher minimum wage, transmitting a message of discontentment regarding the daily life of the poor class; they were not Economy majors with cost-effective solutions on how to balance a State budget. Politically, one part of them is on the "tax the rich" poli
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Got no mod points at the mo, otherwise you'd be modded up my man.
Leader (Score:3)
nVidia is the leader in AI because:
1. They've kept a consistent API to their GPGPU since it's inception. It's not perfect, but it's very good
2. Their tensor cores, originally designed for whole-screen upsampling in games, happen to be excellent at accelerating neural networks
They aren't preventing anyone else from doing anything. AMDs GPGU software stack has been a nightmare. Intel's GPGPU approach is schizophrenic, originally focusing on Knights Landing/Phi, then FPGAs, then something else I can't remember, now trying to jam a ton of AVX registers onto a bunch of cores to accelerate tensors along with Arc.