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Working from a Third Place 106

Krishna Dagli writes to mention a USA Today report on the social and business ramifications of working from a third place - somewhere that is neither home nor office. From the article: "An estimated 30 million Americans, or roughly one-fifth of the nation's workforce, are part of the so-called Kinko's generation, employees who spend significant hours each month working outside of a traditional office. This rootless army is growing 10% annually, according to Gartner Dataquest research. The reason? Corporations are increasingly supportive of teleworking for reasons that range from saving money on office space to needing a backup in the event of a natural disaster or terror attack."
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  • Free Wifi at places like Panera.

    That, and free refills.
    • by SlashdotOgre ( 739181 ) on Friday October 06, 2006 @05:32PM (#16342847) Journal
      WiFi and 3G cellular networks are a huge reason; they're also a huge security whole. While (I hope) most enterprises have taken security precautions for working in public WiFi networks, I doubt most small and medium sized companies (esp. non-technology ones) are aware of how risky it is. It would be an interesting experiment to park next to Starkbucks and leave a laptop running ethereal, dsniff, etc. on for a couple hours -- something tells me not everyone there is connecting through VPN's, SSH, etc.
      • by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06, 2006 @05:44PM (#16342985)
        Hole. The word is "hole." Like the one in your head.
        • Re: (Score:1, Funny)

          by Anonymous Coward
          I would so give you +5 funny if I had the mod points...
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        We are just now demoing these [route1.com] for just that issue and they are AWSOME! Basically just plug it into a USB port on any computer anywhere in the world and you get a completely secure work connection that leaves no files locally. Very cool!
      • by timeOday ( 582209 ) on Friday October 06, 2006 @06:45PM (#16343557)
        The wireless technologies you mention could enhance rather than degrade security. Without connectivity, you have to carry all your information with you whever you go. That's dangerous. Having connectivity means you can access only what you need, when you need it, reducing the risk. Think of that VA laptop that got stolen with millions of SSN's. If the guy had just been using the laptop for remote desktop over VPN, no information would have been compromised.
      • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

        by Anonymous Coward
        Another reason is some cities give tax breaks to companies who let some of their workforce work without commuting into town, where the air is full of commuter exhaust fumes.
        Another reason is it's cheaper to not have to rent space for those employees, if they're willing to work elsewhere.
        Another reason is because the economy has been tanking somewhat, with loss of a lot of work to "outsourced" workers, the off site workers are easier to gradually let go, and replace them with outsourced workers in other coun
        • "Another reason is because the economy has been tanking somewhat, with loss of a lot of work to "outsourced" workers, the off site workers are easier to gradually let go, and replace them with outsourced workers in other countries."

          Or it might go the other way....

          PHB - "Uhh, Charlie, listen, don't bother coming in tomorrow, m'kay?"
          Charlie - "Sure thing boss."
          PHB - "I mean, don't come in anymore."
          Charlie - "Great!"

      • by mcrbids ( 148650 )
        I think VPNs are too painful to bother with.

        But, for our mobile workforce, I use WebDAV on SSL for storage, and use IMAP/SSL for email, with SMTP-auth over SSL for sending email.

        In short, the "roaming" systems are basically 100% encrypted - the only thing that isn't is HTTP traffic. (and all our stuff is HTTPS)

        Yes, you CAN have a secure infrastructure WITHOUT VPNs. (BTW: the best way to do a VPN is OpenVPN - it "just works" once you get it worked out")
    • by Aaarrrggghhh ( 987643 ) on Friday October 06, 2006 @05:55PM (#16343099)
      I'm a teacher and I like to do work after school at Panera because there are less distractions there. No colleagues/students/parents stopping by to discuss/chat & no temptation to pick up the phone when it rings (& I live out of my district, so I don't bump into people I know there). So many people, like teachers, work longer than their contract indicates, and places like Panera offer a chance to get a great deal of work done during that overtime in a nice environment without distractions & without making your home into a workplace.

      (And yes, the state of the US education system is my fault. We give people what they pay for :P )

    • tip your waitress and bartender (or barista)! http://averagebetty.com/ [averagebetty.com]
  • Corporations are increasingly supportive of teleworking for reasons that range from saving money on office space to needing a backup in the event of a natural disaster or terror attack."

    BOO!

    Now get back to work!

    • Corporations are increasingly supportive of teleworking for reasons that range from saving money on office space ...

      AKA Pushing your costs off onto your employees.
      Yay, progress.
      • You've got it backwards.

        I'm quite happy that my company doesn't push the costs (financial as well as time commitments) to travel into the office daily, or to relocate myself near their office.
        • by Valdrax ( 32670 )
          Look up the costs of office space per square foot per month sometime and tell me that they're not pushing off costs on you or the owners of whatever space you choose to occupy. Personally, I can't work from home well and wouldn't be happy if someone forced it on me to save a buck.
          • Sure, it saves us both money...

            Oh, that, plus I still have a cube at the office for those days when I do the 1,998 mile commute...
  • to needing a backup in the event of a natural disaster or terror attack

    Finally! a real use for the internet which isn't porn related.
    • Where have you been? They're making backups of the pron too.
    • You mean to tell me a terror attack would stop porn viewing?

      Har, porn sites have more backups than NORAD has blinking lights. In fact, I'd venture that after hearing of a terror attack, your average /. reader would be heading to the nearest available free porn TGP for a 'confidence boost' prior to driving home in rush hour 'post-terror-attack' traffic.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06, 2006 @05:38PM (#16342913)
    "Corporations are increasingly supportive of teleworking for reasons that range from saving money on office space to needing a backup in the event of a natural disaster or terror attack."

    Now even more places for data to leak.
    • Hey that's not true! My PC is 100% safe and... damnit.. hang on... fucking pop ups...

      ....

      Fuck it's rebooting again hang on....

      HELP!!! MY MOUSE WONT STOP MOVING!!!!
    • by cybrthng ( 22291 )
      Statistically more theft happens from people within your ogranization than externally to it. It is easier to lock down a PC and teach people to understand security and implications of how they work and where they work and how that reflects upon them as an employee and upon the corporation than to stop those select few who will reak havoc no matter where they're working.

      My laptop is encrypted, monitored, firewalled, virus scanned. I vpn to do everything, use an RSA token for my passwords, i have a forced 15
    • by Fred_A ( 10934 )

      needing a backup in the event of a natural disaster or terror attack.

      I'm sure the risk of a terror attack against Bob's Office Supplies in Podunk, Sd are a great concern to all involved (*duh*).

      At least if it would help them make offsite backups, or plan in case of something that actually *has* a remote chance of happening, such as an invasion from outer space, or a fire, a nasty water leak or a burglary... All those things that regularly happen and *can* actually kill a number of companies dead and agai

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06, 2006 @05:51PM (#16343041)
    If you want to be able to work from a new location on short notice, a laptop's the only way to go. Set up its networking so it always tunnels to the company's server and runs all communications through that tunnel.

    I've heard of a lot of so-called solutions based on USB drives, even bootable ones, but the fact is they all have serious problems security-wise. Even if you're booting - or think you're booting - off the flash drive, by using equipment that's owned or accessible by other people puts your company at risk. The only solution is to also bring your CPU, keyboard input and video output with you; in other words, a laptop PC.
    • Check this [route1.com] out. We are just now going through our final eval, but thus far all has been great. We've verified that in fact it only uses the 3rd party to create the secure connection and then is in effect a secure VPN tunnel. In fact thus far in our audit its FAR more secure than a laptop. With your basic VPN client software there is nothing to stop you from coping remote files/data to your local machine. Besides the issue of losing a laptop, in our business (off-shore hedge funds) its extremely critica
  • by TechnoGuyRob ( 926031 ) on Friday October 06, 2006 @05:54PM (#16343083) Homepage
    "This rootless army is growing 10% annually" In fact, in a few years more Americans will work outside of traditional offices than there are working Americans.
    • hmm... say 100000 people are telecommuting now... in one year (100000 * 1.1 == 110000) it's not an additional 10% of the american workforce, it's a 10% growth. *ERR*
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by shawb ( 16347 )
        Exactly... using the law of 70, this means the number of people telecommuting from a 3rd party location (oh god... that means that a new buzzword is going to be produced to describe this... mobicommuting or something. Ack Pthh! Anyways...) is going to approximately double in 7 years at 10% growth. (Law of 70 is an extremely handy shortcut for figuring out how long it takes to double assuming fairly consistant logarithmic growth... 70/r=number of years, where r is annual percentage growth. Also can be app
    • This rootless army
      Shouldn't that be "rootkitted" army?
  • From the article: He says waiters here don't hover. Instead, "there's an understanding that for every hour or so you're here, you'll buy something."
    Who eats that much at work?
    • Re: (Score:1, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward
      coffehouse... then again, if it's a starbucks or something, there's about as many calories per grande iced white chocolate mocha as a big mac. And at least a big mac's calories are in grease so the heart attack takes you quick. Starbucks is pure sugar calories, so the diabetes will take your eyesight, then your legs, then your circulation leaving you in great pain.

      Then again, if you're thinking about getting a large chocolate shake from McDonalds, just consider that it has as much fat as a big mac, and
    • by Fred_A ( 10934 )
      OTOH, I'd go to a place that has hovering waiters. That would be cool to watch.
  • Ah, finally (Score:2, Funny)

    by inKubus ( 199753 )
    Now, finally I can make terror work for ME! It's not just the Bush administration anymore!

  • Human interaction (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Kunta Kinte ( 323399 ) on Friday October 06, 2006 @05:58PM (#16343133) Journal

    It's funny, it didn't dawn on me that spending all day in my apartment would drive me crazy, so quickly. But after a week at home, I was ready to go back to working from my office cubicle :)

    Don't underestimate just having people around you all day.

    I still "work at home", but I go tour local coffee shops and bookstores. At least now, there's movement in the environment.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by golgoj4 ( 993133 )
      Im the opposite. I enjoy no annoying people around that wanna talk about american idol or some other crap. Solace is peace...until i wanna get drunk!
      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by bteeter ( 25807 )

        I agree. I've worked from home most of the past 3 years. Its bliss. No one bothers you. If you're called into a meeting, you can still do other tasks. When I go into the office (1 week/month) - I find I'm a lot less productive. Everyone stops by, wants to talk, do long lunches, drag you into meetings...

        It is good to have some face time to keep up with the group, but I do get more work done working remotely.

        Take care,

        Brian
        --
        SiteChanged.com [sitechanged.com] -- Track your favorite web sites

    • Re: (Score:1, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Totally true. The dream of working from home came true, but it will drive you crazy. I don't need work to get in my socialization, i told myself. But soon you really want an annoying boss breathing down your neck, just to have some noise!
      in all honesty, i love working from home, but i've found my sanity slipping from the quiet a few times, and that endless productivity that you imagine can turn into what amounts to running in circles if you don't break up your day to clear your head.
      i've heard a healthy hab
    • Re: (Score:1, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward
      The chicks are way hotter down at the coffee shop, compared to my apartment.

      (But seriously: I've also gotten hired by friends I made while working in the same coffee shop. With job opportunities and hot chicks at the cafe, why would you work at home all day?)
      • Re: (Score:1, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward
        With job opportunities and hot chicks at the cafe, why would you work at home all day?

        I don't want to feel obligated to pump caffeine or sugary bread products into my face all day for the privilege of being somewhere? Also, no strangers == no need for clothes.
        • by Fred_A ( 10934 )
          Also, no strangers == no need for clothes.
          Once the people at the coffee shop get to know you, they aren't really strangers anymore. I mean if that was the main problem...
    • by Anonymous Coward
      I've been telecommuting for 3 years now and before that I was on a plane every week traveling to client sites ... so I've experienced both extremes of the white collar work environment.

      Telecommuting benefits:
      * Minimal fuel, vehicle upkeep, shaving, suits, home lunches ... etc - This is a massive benefit, actually like a salary increase.
      * You have the whole day to get in your time. So I might start at 9:30 break at 12:00 ... start again at 2:00 to 5:00 then start again at 8:00pm to midnight.
      • by shawb ( 16347 )
        That's why my roomate splits up his time... about 40 hours a week from the office, 30-40 hours telecommuting. BTW, salary is for SUCKERS!.
        • by cybrthng ( 22291 )
          Salary isn't for suckers when they take care of you.

          6 figures, pension plan, insurance, 401k (matching), 15k year for training & education, 3 weeks vacation.. you don't get that stuff when working hourly!
    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by tygt ( 792974 )
      Working form home definitely isn't for everyone. I've been doing it for about 13 years now, about 90-95% working from home (going into the "real office" a couple of days a month), so I speak from some experience.

      Basically, it can be really tough to focus sometimes. When my kids were young, especially, and we were homeschooling, I basically had to work at night in order to get anything at all done. Of course, the flexibility of the work-from-home allowed this (and my contract jobs did too), and so I got to

  • by syousef ( 465911 ) on Friday October 06, 2006 @06:12PM (#16343261) Journal
    There seems to be 2 kinds of working from home:

    1) I'm taking a sickie really and I don't feel like working and look the business has provided me with a good excuse.
    2) Legitimate working from home.

    Unfortunately the infrastructure at the moment seems to be set up more for type 1, because every employer I've worked for hasn't got their technology right to facilitate type 2. Mind you I'm in IT and require access to a lot more than many non-IT employees might.

    I think if you're going to allow work from home, that's a good thing, but for goodness sake unless your business can afford slacking off set some goals that have to be met, and provide the technology.

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by olyar ( 591892 )
      I worked for HP for a few years, and they had a really solid teleworker program. We had an entire Linux support team that was virtual, scattered across the U.S. We managed to get a lot done, and have a solid team dynamic at the same time. So it is possible...
    • by urbaer ( 778997 )
      There seems to be 2 kinds of working from home: 1) I'm taking a sickie really and I don't feel like working and look the business has provided me with a good excuse. 2) Legitimate working from home.
      and 3) I know I'm going to be working for 16 hours today and I'm sure as hell not sitting in an office by myself 4) I have to work on a Saturday and I'm sure as hell not sitting in an office by myself Generally these two knock off the slacking off factor.
    • by iabervon ( 1971 )
      Working from home is a lot more plausible when you can do the actual work on the machine you have at home. I worked mostly from home for a while on a Java web app, and I got a lot more done at home than at the office, because the ergonomics were better, the physical environment less distracting, and the computer environment was pretty much the same. These days, I'm programming custom hardware, and it doesn't make sense to do it from home (and the office is a lot nicer than the other place was).
    • because every employer I've worked for hasn't got their technology right to facilitate type 2. Mind you I'm in IT and require access to a lot more than many non-IT employees might.

      What do you need, anyway? A high-speed Internet connection, a VPN, IM, e-mail and phone, and an SSH client. That pretty much covers it. What more do you need?

      • by syousef ( 465911 )
        When you're working on apps that need corporate databases and other corporate resources that you simply can't run from home. (Eg. Expensive certificate authority hardware), you need a lot more to test your app. VPN's that only half work or are buggy don't help.
        • When you're working on apps that need corporate databases and other corporate resources

          I work on apps that need corporate databases and other corporate resources from home. Sometimes it requires a second VPN tunnel inside the first to gain remote access to resources that are not generally available from the corporate LAN. About the only way I can see a problem is if you need access to resources that aren't network accessible.

          VPN's that only half work or are buggy don't help.

          I haven't run into any

  • Field Service (Score:5, Insightful)

    by N3Bruce ( 154308 ) <<n3lsy> <at> <comcast.net>> on Friday October 06, 2006 @06:20PM (#16343347) Journal
    Those of us in Field Service have been doing this ever since the first carpenter put his sack of tools on the back of a mule to go repair an ancient roof or remodel a cooking pit. The home office is something I visit once or twice a year if that. Most of my work is done at a customer worksite, from my car, or occasionally from home to finish paperwork.
  • I normally work at home; I've got two employer-provided offices (official one near my customers and my home, which I mainly go to when I need to print lots of stuff or my computer's broken, drop-in space at one near where most of my coworkers live, which I mainly go to for meetings or when I've got something else to do in the City that day). But the other place I often work is at my customers' offices, and the people I work with who have only one or two customers spend more time there.

    The technical issues

  • I work "remotely," not some of the time but 95% of the time. I visit headquarters, a few timezones away, once or twice per year. I am in my home office a lot of the time, but if the work I'm doing allows it then I venture out. There is no "third place" for me, however; instead I work from as many different places as I can. My nth place has been a library, cafe, university, park, and even my parents' house.

    People are creatures of habit, for sure, and being a regular has its advantages, but I wonder. USA To

    • by Zadaz ( 950521 )
      I also don't have a proper office.

      A year ago I did an experiment. Without telling anyone that I work with, right in the middle of a project, I left the country for 5 weeks. I had my (work) cell phone forward to a Skype-in number and went to Tokyo, just to see if anyone could tell the different.

      The answer: No, no one knew, suspected, or even really cared when they found out. Though they did wonder why I sounded so sleepy for those 3 pm conference calls.

      Starting 4 months ago I went "homeless". I have a p
      • I did a similar thing, just got up and flew to Chicago to live with a girl (I'm from Canada), nobody really cared. It's a thing of beauty.
  • by TheSpatulaOfLove ( 966301 ) on Friday October 06, 2006 @06:38PM (#16343479)
    I've been one of these so called root-less workers for six years now and I can tell you it's not what it's cracked up to be.

    #1: My company provided me with a cellular 'broadband' card as my primary connection. It works great in city centers, but is horrible if it works at all outside of major metro areas. I love it when it goes into idle mode as well - drops my VPN login, web pages time out on load, etc etc etc.

    #2: My company insists it's important to load bloated corporate spyware that forces updates at inopportune moments and suddenly reboots when it's done - many times in the middle of a large email response. No warning, no choice.

    #3: They insist on loading Novell services as they do for internal office workers when everything I need is strictly IP based. I got my hand slapped for backing it out, since that also reports back to the mothership daily.

    #4: Many cafes that offer WiFi have minimal electrical outlets, so if you don't vulture other laptop users, you don't get to plug in. Not to mention, these environments are not conducive to making business calls with the grinders and blenders singing their harmonious tune - not to mention the vocals: "DECAF VENTI NON FAT SUGARFREE VANILLA LATTE!"

    #5: Recipients of my calls complain of noisy backgrounds, so I have to go out side and talk. Winter sucks for this.


    There is some luxury to the practice of being a rootless worker - the scenery does change frequently, I avoid bad coffee/snacks and the people working at these places get to know you and eventually hook you up with a freebie once in awhile.

    Shame on companies who try to get off cheap and don't provide proper resources or financial compensation for lack of a decent working environment!
  • For those who travel for a living, there is an office wherever you can find a network connection. I tried a 3G card from Verizon and wasn't happy with the coverage. I find myself in a Mariott, airport club or Starbucks often enough that free wi-fi and my T-mobile hotspot account are enough. Printing and faxing are the biggest problem. An easy backup method would be appreciated as Windows offline folders are a little unreliable. [Don't bother replying with Linux solution. Not an option.]

    I don't like wo
  • by Error27 ( 100234 ) <error27@gma[ ]com ['il.' in gap]> on Friday October 06, 2006 @07:04PM (#16343707) Homepage Journal
    That's actually a good point. I'm going to ask my boss if I can "telework" so that I won't be bothered by the constant terrorist attacks at the office.

    • Reading the papers and listening to the politicians, you'd think there were daily terrorist attacks going on. Here's a story in USA Today that uses terrorist attacks to justify allowing people to work away from their office? Give me a break! If memory serves, there have been exactly TWO "terror" attacks in the history of the United States. That's 230 years, now 300,000,000 people -- and TWO terror attacks. One being committed by just TWO American wackos and a truckload of fertilizer. Get over it, peop
  • I always bring an extension cord (a 12' cord with 2-prong plug and 3 outlets) to 3rd-space workplaces. Not only does it let me work from a table that's a little further from the outlet, but I can often convince outlet-hogs to let me plug in my cord and let them plug their stuff into my extension cord.

    Share the juice!
    • My setup includes a passthrough right on the plug, so although I do need to unplug someone for a few seconds, they can connect right back up where they were sitting, or to the other end, which is a four-way splitter I carry in my bag.

      It's an ideal combination, as this way I don't have to interfere with the guys that like sitting right at the plug.
  • by cybrthng ( 22291 ) on Friday October 06, 2006 @08:03PM (#16344095) Journal
    I started a new job after being laid off for a bit working from home - aka telecommuting full time. Infact my employer isn't even in the same state i'm at nor within driving distance for a days work!

    The secret to telecommuting is community. The people i work with are very friendly and technically savy people - in the community way. They know how to pickup the phone and call, drop me a sametime request and schedule meetings and conference calls to get that person to person chat going.

    You have to be organized and willing to work to make it "Work" but it is well worth it. I find myself relaxed, invigorated and the days flying by like no tomorrow.

    It does take some getting used to of not having "cube mates" but honestly after working at banks, small shops, development houses, BIG shops and such the small talk isn't exactly worth the hassle of going to work and the real talk i had with people i would consider myself as friends usually ended up getting me in trouble and distracting myself from "working".

    I've got a laptop, cable modem, desk, home office (above detached garage) so i even have a place to go to work to and come home from - even though its only 25 feet from the house that can make a difference.

    I went from driving an hour each way to walking out my front door and i couldn't be happier. If i want interaction i go hang out at Barnes and Noble, Panera or the local coffee shop and use the wifi to login and get some work done and sip a hot coffee and talk to people often on something that isn't work and the healthy type of distraction that can keep you thinking and out of the day to day drone type work that most of my previous 12 years in IT has been like.

    Most importantly, if you work from home or out of the office find a place that respects you for that. Don't accept less money, don't accept less benefits, don't let them treat you like your not part of the team. Places that do that, just don't understand telecommuting, never will and you will hate it.
  • In no particular order, some things I find annoying in this article:
    1. The assumption that you must've used a car to get there, and hence you have to feed the meter all the time. Are these people so addicted to car commuting that they won't give it up even when there's no need to drive anywhere?
    2. The lead paragraph assumes that there's something horrible about foggy days. If they bug you so much, what are you doing in San Francisco? If I didn't like cooler weather, I could still be living down in the su
  • by cybrthng ( 22291 ) on Friday October 06, 2006 @08:39PM (#16344273) Journal
    I have a detached garage and above it i have a 600 square foot room that used to be a toy-train shop that has slowly been remodelled to my "dude room" and now my office. Its great. I have my own private bathroom and everything! i wired the room before i fixed up the walls. I put in a kitchenette with a microwave, fridge, stove, sink, COFFEE MACHINE! and other nice"ities". Its a place i'm fully functional in without having to distract myself but yet a place i can be in for those days when we have upgrades and i need to push the clock to work odd hours. (i'm a database administrator..)

    I've got comcast, upgraded to the "pro" account for 8mbit/768k, i've got a Vonage voice line, Vonage fax line, my Cell phone, a company laptop, an extra monitor and plenty of space to work, stretch out and be myself.

    I bought a nice speakerphone, got a headset for when i simply want to use Skype and layback during a call (hey its still free for the rest of the year!). Headset can travel with me if want to work from Panera, Barnes in Noble, Borders or other local joints with wifi.

    I couldn't ask for more! I drop my daughter off at school, pick her up, make it to her activities, i get to see my wife during lunch and for more than 2 hours in the evening. My car went from seeing 25,000 miles a year to seeing about 4,000.

    I find myself closer to my friends, i find myself closer to my community, i find myself more invigorated to do more, achieve more and get more work done. I find myself doing more training, i find myself working on furthering my education, i find myself INTERESTED again.

    It takes the right company to know your potential and let you live up to it. Believe me they take security measures that can be annoying but after pushing time at a bank sitting around because i was paid to do one thing and nothing else to busting my balls at places i thought were fun but were just beating me into the ground with work an excuses and getting poor results because of it i'm glad to be here.

    My life isn't work, its what i do. Now i do it really well because my work is part of MY Life!

    • All that, plus a 400w surround sound audio system, for days when you just really need it. Depending on what I'm doing I can't always handle music, but there are so many times when it's beautiful to be able to just crank it up.
    • Still your home.
  • Hi. I created Coworking for exactly the reasons in that article. Coworking is community office space for programmers, writers, and anyone who works from home. From our Wiki (http://coworking.pbwiki.com):

    "Coworking is cafe-like community/collaboration space for developers, writers and independents.
    Or, it's like this: start with a shared office and add cafe culture. Which is the opposite of most modern cafes. ;)"

    We already have two spaces in San Francisco, one in the Dog Patch area called The Hat Factory (htt
  • You have to sign up for some insanely overprived Verizon service. $10/day or by the month. They're going to cut their own throats with this.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by /dev/trash ( 182850 )
      They sell coffee not Internet.
    • Re: (Score:1, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Overpriced coffee hasn't killed Starbucks, why would overpriced Internet access do any worse?
  • My employer has a rather liberal telecommuting policy, which is further enhanced by the fact that most people I work with on a day-to-day basis are in offices that are at least 3 hours away. With the exception of the rare times that I get to have real face time with my co-workers, it really doesn't matter where my physical body is when I work.

    The third-place working style really does come in handy. It's great when you can drive to the mechanic on a slow afternoon and hop on to their wireless. I've also

  • It seems like telework jobs would be way too easy for an employer to move to e.g. India... how are those still around?

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