Google to Sell Old News Articles 153
Krishna Dagli was one of a few people to note that Google is planning on selling old news. Or more accurately, scanning in 200 years of old newspapers, and selling people the ability to view the full text. They'll be using publications like the NYT and Time magazine. Summaries will be free, but the full article text will have a price.
Don't worry... (Score:5, Funny)
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(Bush baaaad! Education goooood!)
Sincerely,
Standard Gannet Newspaper Editorial Team
Slashdot to Post Old News Article (Score:3, Funny)
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information wants to be had for a price, you know.
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i have a hunch that that's the case -- it can't be significantly more expensive to ocr newspapers than their library project is.
or is the charge because they are doing some kind of revenue sharing with the original publication? though that doesn't make sense either.
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That would be paying for the service, because the content should no longer be protected by copyright.
You could buy some of that material, and then share it legally with something like eMule, or at least bittorrent. Nice!
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example, i buy a beethoven cd, can i then copy and pass it around? not according to them..
Bad example... (Score:3, Interesting)
A better example would be sheet music, where there is indeed a concerted effort by publishers to keep works by long-dead composers in copyright by creating new editions [mutopiaproject.org] and in some cases refusing to sell but only renting the music.
You know... (Score:2)
Re:ploy to promote checkout (Score:4, Informative)
That's because there's an existing valid copyright on that recording of that orchestra's performance of the piece. If you rip an out-of-copyright 78 or wax cylinder recording, or record your own performance on kazoo, you can share to your heart's content.
ploy is too harsh (Score:2)
anyhow - great initiative!
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/OT Hey, neat! Firefox 2 has a spell checker. No more mispelled psots for me!
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Not free full articles. What about ad enabled? (Score:1, Interesting)
and having google ads instead of having to pay.
IMHO, if google's 'mission' is to make all the world's information available,
then that would be the best way to go!
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This is a bad idea (Score:2, Interesting)
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The service is already launched (Score:5, Informative)
Web Owls (a group blog by some Google Answers researchers) has a piece about it: http://web-owls.com/2006/09/06/googles-news-archi
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it only provides search-like capabilities. A quick summary and a (free) link to a news site.
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TFA makes it clear that the news site is the one charging for the old articles, and that the news site does not share the revenue with Google. Google just provides the search (and they organise it very nicely into a timeline too).
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If you look at the link you posted and the timestamp at the bottom of the text you linked to you'll see it was posted...
If news posted today (in the "future" for us US-west-coast folk
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The poster stated that the ARTICLE was "old news," not the Slashdot post.
If the Google service started last month and the story is posted this week, it is old news. If the service is started at 8am and the story is posted one hour later, then it is not old news. It all depends on the time between the launch of the service and the posting.
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TFA was dated today. News of it hit the all of the news agencies this morning. The oldest article I could find about it was on September 4 after a news search [google.com]. Google hasn't even announced it yet on their Press Center [blogspot.com] yet. I'd say that's pretty fresh still.
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September 4th? Thats 2 days ago. That's definitely old news. We're on Internet 2.0 time! Get with the program (Program 2.0, that is :-)
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September 4th? Thats 2 days ago. That's definitely old news. We're on Internet 2.0 time! Get with the program (Program 2.0, that is :-)
The Internet is going down the tubes. Where's my truck?!
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It's a Dupe From 1879 (Score:3, Interesting)
http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=google+news &hl=en&sa=N&sugg=d&as_hdate=1879 [google.com]
Turned up this summary:
"The streets were thronged to an unusual extent, and every point where news was obtainable was besieged. Contrary to ge
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hm, (Score:2)
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Just last night I was thinking that it would be great to see how different news outlets of the time viewed certain items while watching the History Detectives (yes, I'm that geeky). An interesting example that almost distracted me from this reply is http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=superman&sc oring=t&sa=N&sugg=d&as_hdate=1939&lnav=dt [google.com] - A timeline of Superman in the news from a Time magazine article about the com
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I haven't yet bought the full text, but I probably will (have done this in the past when I lost or never got a paper copy of a clipping) just to see whether it was simp
Or just go to the library? (Score:2)
You can order old newspapers from the Library of Congress FOR FREE.
http://utterlyboring.com/archives/2004/11/23/libra ry_of_congress_to_digitize_old_newspapers.php [utterlyboring.com]
Although I can't for the life of me work out HOW to get them from the LOC, it's probably hidden deep on their website. If you call 'em up though..
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I'm sure it's cheaper at 20 cents per copy than Google's friends are charging..
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San Francisco Chronicle - free
Rocky Mountain News - $2.95
Time - free
Atlanta Journal - $5.95
Chicago Tribune - some weird-ass phish trying to get my library card
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I cannot imagine why the Library of Congress would offer better access to Congressmen than others.
I've gotten dozens of books over the years that were most easily located in the Library of Congress. Ask your librarian how.
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Re:Or just go to the library? (Score:4, Insightful)
Yes, libraries have the New York Times and whatever else, back a hundred or so years, on microfilm or microfiche. This is all well and good. However, the available indices may not offer full-text searches, and even if they do, they're limited to certain publications or sets of publications. Additionally, microfiche's random access capability isn't all that great, and microfilm's is nonexistent.
If Google links data from a bunch of other indices, so that I can do one search, get a bunch of different results, and then decide whether to go to the library and print copies from microstorage for a small cost per page, or simply buy an electronic "reprint" and save it as a PDF, that's better than what I had before.
Google's new slogan: (Score:2)
Backuping the World!
Ok, so they started with 200 years old newspapers. How long till they start with 400 - or 4000 years old texts?
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Price? (Score:2)
Re-copyrighted (Score:5, Informative)
It's why a search for "Alice in Wonderland" in Google Books gets you only a few pages, while Project Gutenberg delivers the whole text. The books in Google (for the copyright-free text) are for copyrighted books (or presentations, rather).
A lot of organizations have made money off of reproducing copyright-free materials. You can reprint government documents (US federal ones are usually copyright-free) and re-sell them, for example. The publisher of the 9-11 report (available freely online, not that it was widely advertised as such) got a real "royalty-free windfall" from the bestseller.
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As I understand it, when a full text content provider republishes copyright-free works, they copyright their newly bundled publication.
The new publisher has copyright on their republishing of the original copyrighted material, but the copyright is "thin." It only applies to the specific manner in which the new publication presents the original material (colors, layout, etc.) The underlying content is still in the public domain. Think of all of the versions of Shakespeare's King Lear. They all contain the
No, no, no. You have more rights than that. (Score:2)
If you agree to some license to access the info
Nonsense. (Score:2)
An arrangement or indexing of public domain works can be copyrighted. But if you take those public domain works and make your own index, you're not infringing on anyone. On the other hand, if there's an agreement or license you must accept to get to the content, they can include clauses like "you may not download this", blah blah bl
I just use the free alternative... (Score:2)
In all seriousness, it's always a good idea to have this information all in one place so you don't have to look for a million results. One thing I liked about my university's library is that they had a portal where you could search all their article databases from one point: You'd get back Lexis-Nexis [lexisnexis.com] results, web searches, etc. If Google can do this and tie together trade and scientific journals (say, the APA [apa.org] and thousands of others), then we'll be on
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If the summaries are free... (Score:2)
This will be Microsoft's reaction... (Score:2)
"We are already ahead in this effort...it will not help Google that much...!"
"This is not an end in itself, it's a process..."
"We continue to innovate for our customers..."
"This is not what our customers need..."
Folks, that is Microsoft. MEanwhile, I wish Google all the success.
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Copyright anyone ? (Score:2)
From 1978, 70 years after author's death, I guess lots of things from 1923-1978 era still are copyrighted.
News from 1723 to 1923, then ?
NYT founded in 1851, TIME in 1923, erm I see a problem arising with that last one...
Misleading blurb / article (Score:4, Informative)
Mo Money Maybe (Score:5, Insightful)
Hmm (Score:2)
I mean, sure, I'd be very happy to browse newspappers aged 1800 on the internet, that's really cool. But if anyone needs some information THAT old, isn't it going to browse archives (real, not the Internet)?
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Serious researchers do, like other people, appreciate convenience like the ability to search text
Where the real money is... (Score:1, Funny)
is scanning old issues of playboy and charging to view them. lets face it, there is a huge market
Instead of Going to Each Publication Separately (Score:1)
Google Cache (Score:4, Interesting)
I do google searches all the time that result in my ending up on a site that wants to charge me to read the article. I hit the back button and click on Google's cached copy and read the whole thing just fine without paying a dime.
That would make my day just a little brighter if Google ends up caching their own paid content.
hmmmm.... (Score:1, Offtopic)
I think it would be fitting (Score:2, Funny)
Wrong, wrong, wrong: Google to scan nothing (Score:5, Informative)
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(worst case scenario: you get your friend who lives in New York City to lend you their NYPL card number to access the db's which has a wide range)
I live in the Bay Area and have six public library cards. I still have at Oakland PL, Santa Clara county PL, and Alameda County PL cards I need to get.
Among the six, I've got access to significant amount of database subscriptions.
Google, doing what libraries have already bee
Some newspapers already do this (Score:2)
The more things change....
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How do you pluralize word? (Score:1)
One more I won't use (Score:1)
I could use it if it was ad-supported, though, but I use adblock. That would not support them.
Most of those texts are public domain anyway... but someone has to host and publish them
Oh. Since I'm just thinking about it.
The copyright laws should be modified so that a press article is public domain after, let's say, 2 months for monthly magazines, 2 weeks for weekly, 2 days for daily, etc. counting from first publication date. A
pity they didn't start 8 years ago (Score:2)
Google Part is Free (Score:1)
Making of America (Score:1)
Links: http://www.hti.umich.edu/m/moagrp/ [umich.edu] [Michigan], http://cdl.library.cornell.edu/moa/ [cornell.edu] [Cornell].
From what I read from the article, you'd get exactly the same content from these two sites, with a hell of a lot of additional content that Google
looking up my surname (Score:2)
Most of the material I saw was legal notices such as marriages, deaths and court judgements.
Google selling old news? (Score:1)
OCR of most older stuff incomprehensible (Score:2)
Any microfiche online? (Score:2)
about quality (Score:2)
Copyright? (Score:2)
Are they copyright protected? (Score:2)
I would use it (Score:2)
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Google has no intention of selling anything. The bloody article itself says so. They are going to provide links where you can buy it from the original publisher, many of which sell old news articles. They're not even going to make any money from the service right now. I just tried a few searches, and on every single one, it sends me to the original publishers' site, where I can purchase access to the article.
This site is going downhill.... More and more illiterates seem to be coming here everyday.
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*goes back to corner*
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Good luck entering a search term into a microfiche machine.
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Step 2) Read summaries, copy down date, publication, and issue number from google
Step 3) Go to brick n mortor library and get free microfiche version
Step 4) No one profits!
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"SEARCHING THE WORLD. What's more, publishers don't have to share the wealth with Google. The search-engine company will receive no payment from publishers' content fees, advertising, or supplying traffic. Search results will be ranked by relevance, without any influence from publishers. The results initially will be served without Google's customary sponsored links on the right side of the page,
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What you mean I'd have to get dressed? And go outside? But why?
The more sources of history the better; at your finger tips - perfect! In today's United States of Amnesia, old news could be useful. For example, one could read all about how a Government did a witchhunt for groups of individuals it deemed to be unAmnesian and persecuted them.
Or wait... is
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