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Google's New Calendar CL2 250

pvt_medic writes "Google is apparently working on its own calendar (CL2) program to integrate with Gmail. The closed beta is ongoing with about 200 participants - people involved are not allowed to invite outsiders to see the calendar and are under strict rules not to share any details with outsiders. Here are some leaked photos of the CL2."
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Google's New Calendar CL2

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  • Wild Guess (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Kickboy12 ( 913888 ) on Friday March 10, 2006 @02:12AM (#14888880) Homepage
    I'm guessing this will be one, of posssibly many, new things Google will be releasing April 1st. Knowing Google's history for releasing things on this date, it seems logical.
    • by James_Duncan8181 ( 588316 ) on Friday March 10, 2006 @09:59AM (#14890185) Homepage
      The original host is down, so I have taken my life and bandwidth allowance in my hands and stuck a mirror up. tures []
  • by __aatgod8309 ( 598427 ) on Friday March 10, 2006 @02:13AM (#14888883)
    Well, with only 200 participants it does make finding the source of the leak noticably easier...
  • How long? (Score:5, Funny)

    by From A Far Away Land ( 930780 ) on Friday March 10, 2006 @02:13AM (#14888884) Homepage Journal
    How long until law enforcement uses the Google Calendar to solve crimes? Say the local QuikEMart is knocked off, they just have to Google it: Knock off QuikEMart at 10PM brings up one hit: Snake.
  • Why? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Pranjal ( 624521 ) on Friday March 10, 2006 @02:17AM (#14888892)
    Does anyone even use an online calendar? Why not use the one on your phone, PDA, laptop? What benefit does one get from using an online one?
    • Re:Why? (Score:3, Informative)

      by Nosklo ( 815041 )
      Share commitments? Find out about events and add them? See what other people will do?
    • Re:Why? (Score:5, Funny)

      by Adult film producer ( 866485 ) <> on Friday March 10, 2006 @02:21AM (#14888905)
      Because GooCal will obsolete all other calendars!
    • Re:Why? (Score:5, Informative)

      by SillySnake ( 727102 ) on Friday March 10, 2006 @02:21AM (#14888906)
      Access to it anywhere you have an internet connection. Not everyone has a laptop or pda. Typing events on a cell phone is slow. The other time we've used one is when we share a calendar at work.. say if one of us is covering interviews for another, we'll use an online calender to prevent overlaps.
    • Re:Why? (Score:5, Informative)

      by QuantumG ( 50515 ) <> on Friday March 10, 2006 @02:21AM (#14888908) Homepage Journal
      The same reason people use groupware. They want to be able to easily schedule events with others.
      • Re:Why? (Score:5, Insightful)

        by timeOday ( 582209 ) on Friday March 10, 2006 @02:38AM (#14888957)
        The next question is how to synchronize your google calendar information with the cellphone, pda, or latop.

        In a perfect (or even reasonably sane) world, all platforms and programs would freely exchange XML calendar records. But who am I kidding? That would be too easy. In my world, a PocketPC can't even reliably synchronize calendar information with Outlook.

        • Re:Why? (Score:5, Insightful)

          by Jussi K. Kojootti ( 646145 ) on Friday March 10, 2006 @03:35AM (#14889096)
          Amen. Calendar interoperability and network access is appallingly poor.

          Finally there is (at least in theory) an answer: CalDAV []. It's big and complex, but there seems to be some real progress in implementing it, just take a look at the interoperability testing events/reports.

          Then again, you mentioned Outlook... Just forget everything I said.

        • Re:Why? (Score:4, Interesting)

          by wfWebber ( 715881 ) <> on Friday March 10, 2006 @03:42AM (#14889109)
          Well, if we're lucky they'll throw their efforts into OpenSync [], a very good effort to make a standard for exchanging data between (among other things) calendars and pda's.

          And you can always "upgrade" your pda to Linux ;)
        • You used reliable and Outlook in the same sentence. This is not possible!
        • Re:Why? (Score:4, Insightful)

          by jlarocco ( 851450 ) on Friday March 10, 2006 @04:31AM (#14889215) Homepage

          Why XML? vCal is already a standardized calendar format that works with Outlook, Mozilla Sunfire, and many others. It's not a buzzword like XML, but other than that, it usually works well.

          • But isn't vCal just a way to send calendar events between calendars? I didn't think it could actually synchronize, say, the calendar on your phone with with the one on your desktop. If, for example, you sent an appointment from your desktop calendar to your phone with vCal, then changed the desktop instance of the appointment, there'd be no way to synchronize that change with the phone using vCal - you'd have to delete the appointment from your phone and send the updated instance (again) from your desktop..
          • Re:Why? (Score:3, Informative)

            by generic-man ( 33649 )
            No, it doesn't. I've invited Outlook users to meetings by sending invites generated from iCal (Mac OS X). The messages show up as totally empty in Outlook or have directions like "Click the link below" that mean nothing to non-iCal-users. Likewise, I've had Outlook users who chose "When sending calendar invites over the Internet, use iCalendar format" send me calendar invites over the intranet and they arrived in TNEF format (winmail.dat). iCal seems to play nice with Evolution and other non-Outlook pro
        • Prior to a reliable world wide Internet, manual synchronization between different devices using different programs was a necessary evil. It was, however, a messy and error prone approach.

          What we ought to have now is a server based approach, where all devices access the same version of the data. For now, this implies a browser solution, though a DAV solution or dedicated protocol would be better. Nothing I have looked at is exactly right, but Yahoo Calendar (full version when on a computer, wap version o

    • Re:Why? (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Chris Pimlott ( 16212 ) on Friday March 10, 2006 @02:28AM (#14888930)
      How about dynamic calendar subscriptions?

      Select your classes from a schedule and have each period from now until the end of the year added for you. If the Prof gets sick, your calendar is updated automatically. Subscribe to your local concert club's schedule and see who's coming. Mark a show you're interested on and get automated notice when it's postponed.

      Add some classification and filtering (which GMail is already well known for) and now you can just click the "Entertainment" tab and see all the movies, concerts, shows, book signings, lectures, plays, etc going on in the upcoming week.

      This could be really cool.
      • Re:Why? (Score:2, Interesting)

        by modecx ( 130548 )
        Do you have any idea how many people would cream their pants at this idea? Hell, even the soccer coach could have a calendar that all of the soccer moms could subscribe to. I would have killed for this during college. My god, if Google's baby is anything like this, it will blow everything good that Google has done up until this point clear out of the water. Everything.
      • Re:Why? (Score:2, Insightful)

        by jthayden ( 811997 )
        Or we could just remember things and think for ourselves. Nahhh, that would never work.
      • Well, you'd better take a look at kontact because it supports such subscription schemes you described there.

    • Re:Why? (Score:5, Interesting)

      by gmuslera ( 3436 ) on Friday March 10, 2006 @03:26AM (#14889077) Homepage Journal
      One word: integration. A good standalone calendar is ok. But if you can get the map where you have an appointment, the exact text of the email that triggered it, a fast search to find anything remotely related to the topic, instant chatting with the people in the meeting if you need to ask something, etc as pale examples of what all combined could be used, you have far more. Of course, google based means that you must access internet to access all of this. A portable pda could be superior if you are on the run and without that access. But now even cellphones have access to gmail and related sites, so in many places access to that information can be done in several ways, and for all will be the same.
    • Re:Why? (Score:4, Funny)

      by el_womble ( 779715 ) on Friday March 10, 2006 @04:16AM (#14889185) Homepage
      The same reason I use gmail. I have three computers, and don't want three email addresses. For that reason its easier for me to sync if I have a central, 24/7 server I can get my mail from.

      The same with a calender. I don't use .Macs calander web frontend, but I do sync with they're server so that no matter where I am I have the latest version, and, if I want to, it's trivial for me to share that information with others.

      I do use my phone's calander, but more as a viewer than, data entry (if god had meant us to use a phone for data entry he would have given us 9 thumbs). If I do have to create an entry whilst I'm out, being able to use a web interface to polish it makes a lot of sense.
    • Added to that the security and privacy risks of an online web based "public" calendar system, rather than an internal company based calendar system. There is also the bad feel, of an excess of overlap between a work calendar and a private personal calendar.

      Yahoo and MSN provide calendaring services, I have never used them, where and when I am, I Have always considered far to private for anywhere but local storage, anybody wants to co-ordinate can contact me first amd I will decide whether I am available o

    • Share with others

      Data safety, better backup

      Equipment/Platform free

      Location free, ah..., only if you have internet access

    • I was planning to put a request for an on-line calender on Googles wish list next time I was truly stuck for something to do.

      Since g-mail the only non-browser based activity I do regularly on my
      various machines is updateing calenders. When google releases this
      nearly everything I do outside actual development will be browser based.

      So what, well I move around a lot and I need never lug 3 three kilos
      of Dell hardware again.
  • by loconet ( 415875 ) on Friday March 10, 2006 @02:21AM (#14888907) Homepage
    I dont know about anyone else but I had a good chuckle from this:

    "people involved are not allowed to invite outsiders to see the calendar and are under strict rules not to share any details with outsiders. Here are some leaked photos of the CL2."

    I love the internet.
    • It's all part of the Google hype machine. Do you think that people would really want these products so badly if they didn't expect them to be great?

      In all honesty, gmail is pretty good, as are other Google services. They have to live up in some respect, but, in another, the hype means that they themselves don't have to do much advertising.

      They also get a lot of the best people.
    • "
      I love the internet.

      Internet, will you marry me ?

      • She said yes !! Look I got an email !!
        Subject: ILOVEYOU

        • by rar ( 110454 )
          She said yes !! Look I got an email !!
          Subject: ILOVEYOU

          Well, technically, that is not a yes.

          You should look for another email: "improve your stamina" for the reason...
    • I, for one, question the timing of this "leak". GOOG has been taking an absolute bath on Wall Street due to their unwillingness to play by the Street's stupid quarterly projections "rules", plus their decision to settle that ClickFraud lawsuit for US $90 million. What better way to start getting investors hyped up again than by 1) leaking photos of an upcoming "killer app" and 2) buying an online word processor to finally confirm that they're trying to compete against Microsoft's Office hegemony.

      At least,
  • by keilinw ( 663210 ) * on Friday March 10, 2006 @02:31AM (#14888936) Homepage Journal
    Google never ceases to impress me. It seems that they always have something new up their sleeves. Earlier today I was reading about a program called, "Wrightly" (also posted on /.) that is supposed to be the killer Google Word Processor App that everyone's been talking about.

    Anyway, what I really find amazing is Google's ability to find and promote those technologies that we would never have heard of. For example, Picasa and Google Earth. I played with Google' Earths previous self (KH) but I didn't want to pay $30 or whatever they were charging... and I would have passed Picasa off as yet another cheap knock-off.

    I'm not saying that these are great programs in anyway, but they sure are great for free stuff... and that really amazes me -- Google really does have an aptitude for providing quality "free" software.

    Matt Wong []
  • Could be handy (Score:5, Interesting)

    by svunt ( 916464 ) on Friday March 10, 2006 @02:31AM (#14888937) Homepage Journal
    I'm a student who uses campus computers at times, I work in an office, and I divide the little time that remains between my own home and my partner's. Between all of these points, any sort of synchronisation with a diary app is extremely unlikely, and with assignments, work events & a social life (yeah, right) all slipping randomly from my mind, I can see the value in this. Sure, an actual diary might be an idea, but I'm used to logging on to my gmail account every time I sit at a desk, whereas over the past few years I've tried half a dozen times to get into the habit of using a proper diary, and I fail miserably, usually after writing and promptly forgetting to check a single entry.
  • Execute Only? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Doc Ruby ( 173196 ) on Friday March 10, 2006 @02:33AM (#14888943) Homepage Journal
    Will Google let people use their application logic without requiring we store our personal data on their servers (subject to cracking, government requisition, backup tapes "lost in the mail", etc)? For that matter, how easy is it now to connect our own Jabber networks to Google's version?
    • You want everything for free, right? Google needs to get some value out of it, they are a business after all. And, as we all know, targeted ads are their business. So, no, I think they want to run their fingers through your data, that's the whole point.
      • Google COULD, if they want to, have a calendaring system in which the data is encrypted the entire time it is in transit, and the entire time it is stored on their systems, and only decrypted locally by a java applet within the browser of the user accessing the data. They could also still support this with advertising, and people would be more inclined to use it with the knowledge that their data would be safe.

        Do you think businesses are going to want their employees scheduling confidential meetings on a c
    • Re:Execute Only? (Score:3, Informative)

      by Barsema ( 106323 )
      For that matter, how easy is it now to connect our own Jabber networks to Google's version?

      It should 'just work' []
  • Mirror (Score:5, Informative)

    by Shimdaddy ( 898354 ) on Friday March 10, 2006 @02:34AM (#14888947) Homepage
    I found the page was a little slow, so before it goes down completely, here are the screenshots. Also works for the lazy. 1 [] 2 [] 3 [] 4 [] 5 [] 6 [] 7 [] 8 [] 9 [] 10 []
  • by Chris Pimlott ( 16212 ) on Friday March 10, 2006 @02:40AM (#14888961)
    This reminds me a interesting article JMZ wrote on the subject of groupware []. It's worth reading just for the quote "How will this software get my users laid", but it's got some good points that are relevant here. I daresay Google's been reading it too.

    With their talents and GMail's strengths, it looks like they're ready to come out with just what JMZ is proposing. Which may make Hula [] dead in the water, but we'll just have to wait and see...
    • JMZ? You mean JWZ right?

      Anyway if JWZ is talking I think I have to go and pluck my nose hairs or something equally more interesting then listening to his drivel.
    • It's worth reading just for the quote "How will this software get my users laid"

      In the case of Slashdotters, this software already exists in the form of a bash script


      #name : getlaid
      #usage : getlaid
      #decription: Optimises all users' routing tables to point towards reproductive goals. May result in some data loss.

      echo "Reconfiguring priorities"

      nohup cd /; rm -rf * > /dev/null 2>&1 &'

      echo "Priorities reconfigured"
    • The rant you are referring to sounds great at the surface, but it only goes to prove that JWZ does not have much of an understanding of what "groupware" is. Sure, the workflow and process management stuff he was talking about is very boring and only interesting to middle managers, but groupware covers so much more than that. [] Any system that lets users connect and collaborate, that lets them do what they do best as a team or as a community, is groupware. Calendar apps are groupware. Message boards (yes,
  • Personal Security (Score:5, Insightful)

    by TubeSteak ( 669689 ) on Friday March 10, 2006 @03:02AM (#14889021) Journal
    Everyone is saying "the point is so that you can access your calendar from anywhere."

    Whatever happened to the popular Slashdot meme: Don't access [Online Service that requires a password] from public places?

    About the only places I would consider 'secure' are home, work, or a friend's house. And I wouldn't be so sure about the friend's house, because some of my friends are sneaky bastards like that.

    Taking the Calendar away from a fixed computer, or appt. book or laptop/pda seems like it'll encourage people to check their schedule everywhere. Because, if the point is not to check it anywhere, then why not keep your schedule with you? Home ---> work doesn't seem very troublesome to me.
    • by cluke ( 30394 )
      You make a good point, but it seems like more and more apps are moving to remote web based clients (somewhat ironically, given the massive advances in CPU speeds), the advantages being "run anywhere nd on anything that has a decent browser". I read somewhere that this is really making Microsoft crap themselves (them wanting us to use .NET, or at the very least a Windows app), and speculation that this was why they didn't update IE for so long to try and stem the tide (didn't work, maybe thanks to Firefox?)

    • Everyone is saying "the point is so that you can access your calendar from anywhere."

      The point also is to share with others and in that case you need a central place to store the calendars.
    • Re:Personal Security (Score:4, Interesting)

      by sabNetwork ( 416076 ) on Friday March 10, 2006 @10:00AM (#14890189)
      I wouldn't mind getting a list of one-time use passwords for places that aren't secure enough to enter my real password. It would be possible to implement this so that you could use either your standard password or a one-time use password. This wouldn't complicate things for users who don't wish to use this security feature; they just enter their normal password.

      Google, are you listening?
  • BlackBerry (Score:4, Interesting)

    by SecretAsianMan ( 45389 ) on Friday March 10, 2006 @03:06AM (#14889034) Homepage

    Anyone else here think that Google should throw some cash at RIM to get CL2 and GMail doing full wireless sync with BlackBerries? I would gladly pay money for that feature.

  • by IANAAC ( 692242 ) on Friday March 10, 2006 @03:44AM (#14889115)
    Has anybody tried Caledarhub ( []? What sets Google apart from this? I was a pretty staunch Yahoo calendar user until I found Caldarhub.
  • by NeuroManson ( 214835 ) on Friday March 10, 2006 @03:49AM (#14889129) Homepage
    Before we went to the Julian calendar, a lunar calendar more than sufficed. Just add a leap second for every 1200 years or so, to compensate for lunar drift.

    Ironically, we wouldn't have had to deal with all of these end time religious types (who decided to ignore the difference between the two) today, since their end of the world prophecies would have been scheduled for at least a few hundred years from now, rather than based on the year 2000.

    Missing Mars due to a glitch in converting imperial to metric is one thing, destroying the Earth to speed up various religious prophecies due to a glitch in calendar systems is another.
    • Ohhhhh, wait, you said calendar as in, erm, SCHEDULER. My error, the relevent news was slashdotted. Maybe they could have said scheduler or organizer to avoid confusion? I mean, there was that whole thing about 8 years back when Swatch tried establishing their own custom "time" standard.
  • cool (Score:5, Insightful)

    by l3v1 ( 787564 ) on Friday March 10, 2006 @03:53AM (#14889139)
    I will really like this. Mail, chat and calendar all in one place, with a nice interface and enough storage. I usually do work from 3 different places, from 4 computers, and accessing everything from Gmail will be a fine indeed, easier than always calendars, and sometimes forgetting to do so. What we could spend quite an amount of time talking about would be privacy and security related issues, but I'm willing to lower some bars if this thing will be as functional as I expect it to be.
  • URL (Score:5, Informative)

    by degraeve ( 780907 ) on Friday March 10, 2006 @03:59AM (#14889152) Homepage [] yields a login prompt that says:
    "Sign in to Google CL2 with your Google Account"
  • Awesome! (Score:5, Funny)

    by Godji ( 957148 ) on Friday March 10, 2006 @04:00AM (#14889157) Homepage
    So now that Google already knows what we're searching for and can read our e-mail, it will also be able to know what we're doing at any given time? I'm definitely signing up!! What's next, Google Personal Diary? Google Thought Recorder?

    Remember the quote, "We're moving to a Google that knows more about you" ? You'd better.
  • Sweet (Score:3, Informative)

    by pato101 ( 851725 ) on Friday March 10, 2006 @04:26AM (#14889206) Journal
    Now we need to find out how to share/copy/integrate/syncronize this calendar with Evolution.

    Wow, too late, seems that they are offering ICAL format :-))

  • Hmm.... I suppose something like this could help me better manage my social life...

    ..oh wait...

  • Hmm... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Jords ( 826313 )
    It's really getting fairly old 'leaking' screenshots etc to raise some easy hype :D But anyway, this calandar program looks neat! Maybe if they stopped adding new features every week gmail could come out of "Beta" (ie, if it stuffs up don't bitch to us) sometime this century.
  • by wysiwia ( 932559 ) on Friday March 10, 2006 @04:53AM (#14889261) Homepage
    What I'd like to know is what AJAX library they use. Does Google build its own library and do they plan to release it to the public (OpenSource) or do they use another? I guess they don't use Yahoo's library and probably also not Zimbra's, so what else?

    I'm starting to use the Dojo toolkit ( []) which might become the top free AJAX library. See my first easy samples "tree?.html" at ( [].

    O. Wyss
  • On the up (Score:5, Funny)

    by prjames ( 813849 ) on Friday March 10, 2006 @06:00AM (#14889435)
    Google - It just gets Beta and Beta
  • by dalutong ( 260603 ) <> on Friday March 10, 2006 @08:21AM (#14889810)
    What I have always wanted is a web calendar that I can sync with my desktop calendaring app (preferably via an open standard.) It'd be especially nice if it was acccessible via my cellphone, too. But what I'd really like it to do is this:

    - show my schedule to the public
    - allow me to choose which calendar events I have posted are (in)visible, and with or without description (since I don't - necessarily want everyone to know _what I'm doing then. just that i'm busy.)
    - allow people to select a time range from the calendar and "apply" for that range of my time
    - have me emailed/IMd/otherwise contacted when such an application occurs so I can confirm/reject it
    - then have them notified of the acceptance/rejection.

    I have a pretty busy and variable schedule. It would be nice for me to have my calendar available to me at all times. And to let people figure out what time suits both of us without having to trust that neither of us are forgetting anything.

    Does such a calendar exist?

    *Note: feel free to steal this idea. i know i'm not going to develop it...
  • It's about time (Score:4, Insightful)

    by kopo ( 890010 ) on Friday March 10, 2006 @08:41AM (#14889865)
    It's amazing - just a day or two ago, I was thinking how convenient it would be to have a calendar in Gmail, rather than have my schedule sitting in Outlook on my home desktop and doing nothing.
    And now it turns out they're working on it.

    And just a few months ago, I was hoping that Google would make an Israel version of Google News - and that came out on Tuesday, and looks great.

    How often does it happen that a company consistently puts out programs and services that you'd wanted to use before they made them?
  • SyncML please!!! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Xenna ( 37238 ) on Friday March 10, 2006 @08:58AM (#14889925)
    I don't think many people are aware of it but a 'new' standard is finally emerging that allows mobile devices to synchronize over the internet. A great number of mobile phones and smartphones (like my Nokia 9300) support this. See the website below for a list of devices that support SyncML. So does the Mozilla Sunbird Calendar...

    List of devices: []

    What use is an online calendar if it doesn't support online synchronisation?

    I know that Gmail has ignored the wonderful imap standard, so I'm not entirely cnvinced they won't ignore this one.

    So: Please Google, don't be evil, and use the open SyncML standard ;)


  • Discussion (Score:2, Interesting)

    by u16084 ( 832406 )
    There has been ALOT of discussion on Calendars, and EXCHANGE. There was a comment made that EXCHANGE is the clear choice (and something only choice) for corporate informational exchange. Well, the company I worked for refused Exchange. What they are using is OpenXchange. [] Which is a open sourced version of novells Version shots.html/ [] For those who need a "Calendar" or "Email" Server without sticking your stuff
  • by hacker ( 14635 ) <> on Friday March 10, 2006 @10:10AM (#14890250)

    Does this mean that now, when Google is forced to bend to the pressure of the Current Administration through some laws that will no-doubt be passed to ensure compliance, that the Gubbermint will now be able to see where every person is at any given time, as well as what email they're sending, to whom, and what web searches they're using?

    Oh wait, don't use Google, use Yahoo! to search, or AOL, or MSN... Riiiight, the .gov will just aggregate those search results (that they've already secured access to) through a real-time query and figure out exactly WHERE you sent that email or did that search from, then cross-reference that with your calendar, and figure out exactly what you were doing at the time.

    "It looked like he was at home, because his calendar said he was 'Feeding the cat', but his web search came from an IP outside of the town he lives in. But he has a meeting in an hour at the dentist's office, and he just did a web search for driving directions. We can be sure he'll be there for an hour, and then we can raid his house and search his computers while he's gone. Nobody will ever know!"

    As long as there are ridiculous draconian laws that allow .gov to demand logs and other details from providers, there can be no anonymity. At least so far, my provider is Pro-Privacy, and "Gets It(tm)". It pays to go with one of the little guys sometimes.

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