AP to Charge Members to Post Content Online 171
oboreruhito writes "The Associated Press has announced that, effective Jan. 1 2006, it 'will begin charging newspapers and broadcasters to post its stories, photos and other content online.' The article says online portals that are already subscribed to an online service won't be affected; the change is that newspapers and broadcasters, which have had the privilege of posting online at no extra charge over their usual licensing fees for print or TV, now have to pay extra. How will this affect sites like Google News and Fark?"
Fark? (Score:5, Insightful)
OMG F1R57 P057!
Re:Fark? (Score:3, Funny)
Fark, Google and the like wouldn't have much news to link to if the news was never posted...
I personally don't really enjoy about:blank
Re:Fark? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Fark? (Score:1)
Re:Fark? (Score:3, Interesting)
A new and better Fark! (Score:3, Funny)
Because that would mean more b00bies and photoshoping! Yay!
Re:Fark? (Score:3, Funny)
Those wacky Japanese... bless their hearts for lightening my Mondays.
Re:Fark? (Score:2)
Re:Fark? (Score:3, Funny)
Corporate P2P News Sharing? (Score:2)
In fact, they could start some sort of P2P news sharing for stories, which would get around this proprietary news source. I can see the bean counters at the newspapers wanting to do something to cut costs, especially if the fee structure is predatory.
So corporate P2P news sharing actually sounds like the beginning of a decent business plan.
Re:Fark? (Score:2)
Maybe the TF'ers would see few less resubmissions of the same story?
Re:Fark? INT WTF.... My fark 'n first post comment (Score:2)
That was a pretty neat:
"OMG F1R57 P057!"
arrangement of "first post" claim by the parent poster.
As for FARK, IFF they have to pay, they'll probably be yelling, "INT WTFARK"?
(And, API might be thinking: "These FARKERS are going to PAY! if they don't PAY...")
(hehehheh, laugh)
Google and Fark? (Score:5, Insightful)
My guess is not much at all. It's the sites that Google and Fark link to that will need to pay the AP. If the number of AP newswire sites drops, it will most likely be made up for by homebrewed stories citing the AP newsfeed as a source.
Re:Google and Fark? (Score:1)
However, it could also mean that those who pay AP pass these along to the consumer via Google News and Fark, which could lead to BugMeNot getting slashdotted every time a news story breaks.
Re:Google and Fark? (Score:2)
Re:Google and Fark? (Score:2, Interesting)
However, most people get their news from Fark, Slashdot, Google News, Yahoo News, and other news congregation sites. With linking, users of those sites would have to pay to read the article. Hence, the newspapers will pass the cost to consumers via Google and Fark. Some might use an ad-based model, but most will use a subscription model.
And if these newspapers use a yearly subscription model, yo
Re:Google and Fark? (Score:1)
So people will just link to the CNN or FoxNews version instead of some podunk newspaper in Iowa that happened to cut and paste the AP article online. The New York Times
Re:Google and Fark? (Score:2)
Re:Google and Fark? (Score:2)
Re:Google and Fark? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Google and Fark? (Score:2)
Re:Google and Fark? (Score:2)
So, out of curiosity, I looked up wieners on Wikipedia, and ran into a linked article on something called "Toad in the Hole". It's always interesting to run into odd names for food. Piqued, I decided to search Wikipedia for an odd food name I'd heard (and used) before.
Lo and behold, Wikipedia already knew all about Shit on a Shingle [wikipedia.org].
Re:Google and Fark? (Score:2)
No doubt it's all chips and pizzas and stuff now.
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Don't Despair! (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Google and Fark? (Score:5, Informative)
hmmm.. (Score:5, Insightful)
Depending on how much they are charging, though it might force other sites to start charging online subscruption fees, as a large amount of free news will not be there anymore...
Google will be challenged legally soon I predict (Score:2)
Re:Google will be challenged legally soon I predic (Score:2)
They may turn out to be the same kind of "easy target" that tSCOg found IBM to be. (And if they aren't this time, they will be next time.)
Google.. (Score:2)
Fark! (Score:5, Funny)
More boobies links!
Thanks, AP! : )
Re:Fark! (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Fark! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Fark! (Score:2)
Your dog wants more boobies, here comes the science. Duke Sucks. France Surrenders.
Google (Score:2)
No worry for google (Score:1)
you're blowing my mind (Score:1, Insightful)
Associated Press
Just think. In the future, it would have cost the Sun Sentinal to print this "story" stating that the AP will be charging to post their stories...
FARK doesn't repost stories... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:FARK doesn't repost stories... (Score:1)
Does Google News index Yahoo! news stories? I can't remember if I've ever seen a Yahoo! news link on Google News. I wonder i
Re:FARK doesn't repost stories... (Score:2)
That is probably for the best: AP articles read as if they were written by, and for, illiterates; much like Slashdot.
Re:FARK doesn't repost stories... (Score:2)
Newspaper rate increase (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Newspaper rate increase (Score:1)
Re:Newspaper rate increase (Score:2)
Re:Newspaper rate increase-GeekWorld. (Score:2)
Re:Newspaper rate increase (Score:2)
It does seem logical, until you realize that most of a newspaper's revenue comes from advertising, not subscriptions. This extra cost will likely have much more effect on the cost of their advertisements than the cost of their subscriptions.
Re:Newspaper rate increase (Score:2)
Sites will just use Reuters for the time being (Score:5, Insightful)
#1: Not liscencing the content, which is exactly what the AP's et alls standard business practice is,
#2: Actually costing money due to bandwidth.
I don't think it's going to be long untill the major wires actually close their content to subscribers only. It would be a sad day for me, as I love getting my news hot off the wire, but I can understand why the AP/Reuters/AFP/UPI would do it.
Re:Sites will just use Reuters for the time being (Score:1)
In the case of Google News,
1. It should qualify as fair use, given that it is merely a fuzzy thumbnail... otherwise Google Images would have been destroyed by lawsuits long ago.
2. They aren't using AP's bandwidth, since the thumbnails are hosted on google's servers.
Re:Sites will just use Reuters for the time being (Score:2)
With things like Google News out there, the consumer will tend to read the online news sources that
Re:Sites will just use Reuters for the time being (Score:2)
First off, the blurbs and images are clearly fair use. Not to mention it drives traffic to articles listed at the "top" of each google news section. Its like being slashdotted x1000.
It actually doesnt cost the newspapers bandwidth. Google resizes and hosts its news images.
Lastly, its going to be the kiss of death for AP, Reuters, online newspapers, etc if they went all RIAA on everyone. People will just shift to competitors.
Re:Sites will just use Reuters for the time being (Score:2)
But drudge, and many other sites, leech bandwidth the organizations hosting the images.
In the case of newspapers, you can write that off because it will drive eyeballs to your ads.
In the case of the wires, they're gaining nothing. Their business model is to sell organizations access to their content. People are increasingly getting their news online, and they aren't paying for the content. B
Re:Sites will just use Reuters for the time being (Score:2)
Competitors? What competitors? The AP alone employs 3,700 people and feeds stories to 15,000 print and broadcast subscribers world-wide.
Re:Sites will just use Reuters for the time being (Score:3, Interesting)
And honestly I think that is inevitable. There
Reuters is already a paid feed (Score:2)
Your AP member wants... (Score:3, Funny)
Your dog will want 1 of 1,390,000 steaks?
Who'll be affected ? (Score:3, Insightful)
Most of the commercial web-sites are already buying content. It'll be mostly small-time portals and bloggers who'll be really affected. Think of all the blogs cross-posting APs content.
Also, bloggers who post APs content on there websites might be discouraged to do that henceforth. Imagine, if bloggers are not allowed to link content to AP/reuters or other authentic news sources -- blogging might suffer.
Hell, even slashdot carries AP articles. Will Slashdot be affected ??
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All your content are belong to us.
Re:Who'll be affected ? (Score:2)
And what would the effect be if you were affected?
Sorry, dumb joke.
Re:Who'll be affected ? (Score:1)
The effect would be a slashdot effect, obviously!
Re:Who'll be affected ? (Score:1)
Linking and quoting someone elses work that is published without requiring a licence to be agreed to are fair use.
I can still link to NYT even though I have to be a member to see the article, so what difference will this make to bloggers?
Re:Who'll be affected ? (Score:3, Insightful)
Then again, there is Wikinews [wikinews.org], where "All content of the Wikinews Beta is in the public domain."
Re:Who'll be affected ? (Score:2)
As a computer engineer, I am horrified whenever I see someone mindlessly cling to outdated and unrealistic ideas about information. The internet makes copying information effectively a zero cost operation, it is what the internet was designed to do. So stop fighting it, accept and embrace it and the new business models it makes possible.
Quoteing is one thing, but putting the entire article in a blog post is
Re:Who'll be affected ? (Score:2)
I must argue however that ease of cut and paste and the low entry into a copy and paste operation isn't a reason to rip off AP or any other content producers.
The Internet wasn't designed to copy works without limit - it was designed for entirely different purposes. In fact, I'd argue that the Internet makes copying not needed as redundancy should allow my originals to be accessed from any location.
Re:Who'll be affected ? (Score:2)
Re:Who'll be affected ? (Score:2)
That is not what I said, I said it makes copying an almost zero cost operation. From that basis, a number of "new" ideas naturally follow, including that it is natural to make a copy if doing so increases convenience.
In fact, I'd argue that the Internet makes copying not needed as redundancy should allow my originals to be accessed from any location.
Each time it is accessed, it is copied. Just because some copies are more permanent than others
Re:Who'll be affected ? (Score:2)
Re:Who'll be affected ? (Score:2)
1) You will pay for the bandwidth
2) Anyone else can do the same, thus reducing the price "paid" (either via adverts or a subscription service) for the DISTRIBUTION to near marginal cost
I know it is hard for people to wrap their head around the concept but distribution and creation are two entirely seperate kinds of work - the current copyright cartel grew to power by conflating the two which was easy to do when every "virtual" copy required a corresponding physical copy with a n
Re:Who'll be affected ? (Score:2)
However, the Internet gives - not removes - my power as a creator to control *who* distributes. I can blacklist certain users, domains, IP ranges and user agents. It's all about control.
No matter, create your own data. Don't rely on AP for your news!
Re:Who'll be affected ? (Score:2)
No, it does not give you any more control than you have in the real world. All those mechanisms you list are about limiting access to your ORIGINAL, but have zero effect on copies. Once someone has a copy in their posession none of those mechanisms means squat. If they did, we would not even be having this dicussion bec
I read The Onion (Score:5, Funny)
Why these useless questions? (Score:5, Insightful)
Why do slashdot articles end with inane questions that obviously aren't interesting or useful? They just drive discussion away from actual article. Instead, we have a whole page of people agreeing that this almost has almost no impact on Google or Fark.
(Yeah, yeah, offtopic.)
Re:Why these useless questions? (Score:2)
Maybe an editor could have added that, assuming of course they read their own site...
This is NOT FAIR (Score:1)
Also while aggregating news for Newster.net [newster.net] I realised that many news sites insert advertisment in their RSS feed. Now this is the stupidest thing that a publisher can do. Newster publishes the headlines and links it back to the orignal site. I thought that was FREE advt en
Re:This is NOT FAIR (Score:2)
Sites like google news just provides link to the orignal site. This is FREE advertisment for the orignal sites.
Re:This is NOT FAIR (Score:2)
IANAL, either; however, I was in charge of the course reserve collection for a university library for a while, and was charged with writing our copyright policy.
There are no official rules for what constitues fair use. For printed materials (which AP articles are, I would say, even online) the rule of thumb that most people go by is ten percent of the total words of the printed work.
Re:This is NOT FAIR (Score:2)
Re:This is NOT FAIR (Score:2)
That's generally where we see ads - BoingBoing.net's feed is a good example. I've no problem with that, and I can't imagine BoingBoing loses any sleep over being dropped by the occasional aggregator.
Your "advertisement" == their "theft" (Score:2)
Possibilities (Score:2)
1. Online newspaper sites become more inundated with ads. An annoyance that can be somewhat mitigated by Firefox+Adblock.
2. Articles by independent and/or local writers will become more prominent.
3. The AP gradually slides into irrelevance (from an influence and mindshare perspective at least), as newspapers reduce the number of AP stories posted online and other syndicated news agencies pick up the slack.
not about linking to content (Score:3, Informative)
Aggregators and bloggers link back to these sites but since they don't pay for an AP feed they have to wait for the news to be posted. Their situation has not changed as a result of AP's policy since they were never customers to begin.
Google/Fark (Score:5, Interesting)
This decision won't affect Google and Fark at all, since they simply link to other sites that post the AP's content. It will affect Yahoo! News, since they do post original AP content.
BTW, it's a PITA to use the AP's content. I used their feed to add headlines to the site for a TV station [kezi.com]. They can't just have an XML feed; noooo, they have to post XML-formatted articles to a usenet server, adding an extra layer of complexity. You have to fetch the most recent post from the headline group, parse it for the links to the articles, then fetch the articles, then parse them for links to the image content, then fetch those articles, then parse them for the image content, which has to then be watermarked with the AP logo (or labeled directly underneath the picture; running it through ImageMagick to add the watermark was easier). (And to make matters worse, I had to write the stuff to do this in Perl running on Windows.)
Re:Google/Fark (Score:2, Insightful)
check it out:
http://hosted.ap.org/lineups/TOPHEADS.rss?S
http://hosted.ap.org/lineups/WOR
http://hosted.ap.org/lineups/U
I wonder how long these will stay up...
Re:Google/Fark (Score:2)
http://hosted.ap.org/lineups/TOPHEADS.rss?SITE=AP W EB&SECTION=HOME [ap.org]
http://hosted.ap.org/lineups/WORLDHEADS.rss?SITE=A PWEB&SECTION=HOME [ap.org]
http://hosted.ap.org/lineups/USHEADS.rss?SITE=APWE B&SECTION=HOME [ap.org]
You think APs current setup is annoying? (Score:3, Interesting)
Ha! You think that's annoying? You should have seen their file formats before they moved to XML. In the early 90's, I had to write an NT service that would listen to their news feed and properly classify incoming stories. Based on what I had to deal with there, I can only conclude that they entered their story headers by means of repeatedly striking a keyboard with
You are all wrong (Score:2)
Freedom of infromation. (Score:1)
Does anyone really get what this means? (Score:1, Informative)
This has no effect on my ability to post a link to an AP story, say on Yahoo.com.
What it does is target places like http://www.nj.com.
This is the web site of the Newark Star Ledger. For years, this site has been taking stories off of the New Jersey state wire and posting the stories on line, without paying anything addionally to the AP.
All this change means is if nj.com wants to continue posting state wire stories to the web site, it will have to p
Re:Does anyone really get what this means? (Score:2)
Charged for news? (Score:1, Funny)
Same Ol' From AP (Score:4, Interesting)
This is yet another kink they're throwing into the mix, as now we have to know which of the AP partners have actually paid for online publishing rights. This will likely irritate our programmers, and probably reduce the amount of our customers re-publishing AP data, but that's about it.
Personally, I don't understand the point of publishing AP online if you're a local paper, anyway. Often this data isn't differentiated from the paper's own articles, and ends up getting archived as such. Many papers these days require registration or pay-access to their archives, which are now diluted with articles that have been replicated thousands of times over by newspapers all over the country.
New Slogan:) (Score:5, Insightful)
Maybe the AP will have explicit notifications in each story proudly proclaiming that
[It's just about that way already anyway.]
Mod Parent Up. -- Insightful (Score:5, Insightful)
If the wires are pay per view, the only news reported will be news that someone wants you to see, paid for by the interest the news best serves.
Poster might be going for funny, but I think there is lots of insight into that statement.
This is probably a good thing (Score:4, Insightful)
I can't count how many times I've seen the same old garbage re-hashed by diferent reporters who didn't know a damn thing about the story other than what the AP report told them. Hell, why didn't they just cut out the middleman and let me read the AP story myself without all the spin and personal BS opinions.
The truth is, what this is really about is the media industry living in a wet-dream that says "nobody should get reliable news free of charge, tracking, or advertizements" - well I hate to tell them this, but they can and they should
Effect on Yahoo News Photos? (Score:2, Insightful)
Reuters must be happy (Score:3, Interesting)
What were they thinking?
But they're all the same (Score:2, Insightful)
Cluetrain impact (Score:3, Insightful)
Market forces correct a lot of stupidity, and they'll correct this as well. I for one welcome our new more diverse media, which will result.
--Mike--
Am I confussed? (Score:2, Informative)
Newspapers and broadcasters that currently liscense AP's material for their print/broadcast mediums will now have to pay an additional liscense fee to reproduce it within their online properties.
I see nothing wrong with this
What I'd pay for from the AP: Flash news (Score:2)
5 bells signified a Bulletin, and 12 bells a Flash, defined in the AP stylebook as a story of overriding importance that can be told in four words or less. Needless to say, the sound of 12 bells would bring every other activity in the newsroom to a halt as everyone huddled around the teletype.
Flashes occur very, very rarely.
A "short blurb" is still content (Score:2)
Re:Wow - How Much Will AP Charge (Score:2)