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Ghost In The Shell 2: Innocence in Theaters 298

Lord Prox writes "The long wait is over, the sequel to Ghost In The Shell is here in theaters!. Titled Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence for the US market and seems to be available in a reasonably wide distribution for anime. There is also a trailer available."
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Ghost In The Shell 2: Innocence in Theaters

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  • how's it ? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by mirko ( 198274 ) on Friday September 17, 2004 @08:48AM (#10275949) Journal
    Seems that people like it (7.1/10 on IMDb) but its plot line sounds like some "I, Robot".
    So, is it worth it, besides the Geek Factor ?
    • by deathcloset ( 626704 ) on Friday September 17, 2004 @08:53AM (#10275997) Journal
      Besides the Geek Factor? What else is there besides the Geek Factor? :)
    • How is it?

      Welcome to Slashdot, you might as well ask "How does it end?"
    • Re:how's it ? (Score:5, Interesting)

      by brainstyle ( 752879 ) on Friday September 17, 2004 @08:56AM (#10276023)
      The critical consensus [rottentomatoes.com] isn't quite so strong, although some of the better known critics seem to like it quite a bit. The people I know who've seen it all described it as boring, but with some nice eye candy. Sky Captain, [rottentomatoes.com] on the other hand - this, I'm excited about.
      • by doom ( 14564 )
        And the review in the local San Francisco Bay Guardian Substance Abuse [sfbg.com], says:
        the average moviegoer (even one who liked I, Robot) is bound to find Innocence unbearably pretentious and boring. But mileage for those who are perhaps pretentious and boring themselves may vary.
        Which makes it sound like my kind of movie.
    • Re:how's it ? (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Gyorg_Lavode ( 520114 ) on Friday September 17, 2004 @08:58AM (#10276039)
      I don't know about this movie as I obviously haven't seen it but the first one could easily be characterized as just another robot type story. It would be a signifigant injustice as the first movie did a very good job at addressing, (though not conclusively answering), questions about where the line between man and machine blurs.
      • After looking through rotten tomatoes it seems to follow along the same theme as the first movie, (played in a timeframe after it. I had originally thought it was placed after Stand Alone Complex and before the first movie). The reviews generally seem to lean in one of 2 ways. Either they though the movie was beautiful, deep, and technical, or they though the movie was beautiful, too deep (or just trying to be too deep), and too technical. Anyway, I can handle beautiful and technical, and I will judge f
        • Re:how's it ? (Score:3, Informative)

          by BJH ( 11355 )
          Note that GitS:SAC and the original GitS movie are alternative stories - they're not part of a continuous timeline.
    • Re:how's it ? (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Conspiracy_Of_Doves ( 236787 ) on Friday September 17, 2004 @09:10AM (#10276120)
      I didn't think "I, Robot" was that bad. They just shouldn't have tried to associate it with Isaac Azimov. Apparently the original title of the script was "Hardwired". They should have kept it that way.
      • The only thing I didn't like about I, Robot is the fact that Will Smith is in it. God I hate that guy. Otherwise it was a pretty decent summer flick.
    • Re:how's it ? (Score:5, Interesting)

      by ricotest ( 807136 ) on Friday September 17, 2004 @09:20AM (#10276201)
      You should check out this IMDB board posting [imdb.com].

      Apparently there were 'massive walkouts at the Cannes' and a 30% Rotten Tomatoes [rottentomatoes.com] rating (which is very bad). I quote:

      The common complaint among critics is that while the movie is beautiful, it is souless with too much technological mumbo jumbo and not enough likable characters. The story is said to be at once extremely convaluted and boring with action sequences too far between and countless uniteresting quotes form philosophers or the bible hindering the story.

      So althought it saddens me to say this, it really doesn't look like it's worth checking out. That said, everyone is different, and this is just the critics' opinion.
      • Re:how's it ? (Score:4, Insightful)

        by MooCows ( 718367 ) on Friday September 17, 2004 @09:33AM (#10276320)
        The common complaint among critics is that while the movie is beautiful, it is souless with too much technological mumbo jumbo and not enough likable characters. The story is said to be at once extremely convaluted and boring with action sequences too far between and countless uniteresting quotes form philosophers or the bible hindering the story.

        This for is the exact reason I'm going to see it..
        I don't mind action movies, but I'd really like some SF other than another Alien movie or the Star Wars prequels.

        Of course, this movie might not be good, but they should at least give a good reason for it.. not just "boring" or "not enough likeable characters".
      • The common complaint among critics is that while the movie is beautiful, it is souless with too much technological mumbo jumbo and not enough likable characters. The story is said to be at once extremely convaluted and boring with action sequences too far between and countless uniteresting quotes form philosophers or the bible hindering the story.

        Sounds exactly like I, so if you loved that, you'll love the new one.

        On another note, I watched GITS (huh!) with the sound off to a dnb soundtrack (Sly & Ro
        • Funny, I watched Blade Runner to Hearts of Space and Echoes on FM last Sunday and I must say it didn't do the plot any harm at all. None of Oshii's movies have much dialogue, including his original anime, Angel's Egg.
      • It is 73% fresh w/ an average 6.7 rating [rottentomatoes.com] at Rotten Tomatoes right now.
      • I dont pay attention to Rotten Tomatoes. *I* decide what movies I like, not some hack from some newspaper I've never heard of.
      • by dep01 ( 730107 ) on Friday September 17, 2004 @10:03AM (#10276589) Homepage
        oh no! there's not enough action sequences? and a story you have to pay attention to!? what will american audiences do!?!?
      • Sounds like that reviewer was watching a rerun of the Matrix.

        Kidding aside, seeing as how the original 'ghost' movie was obviously a point of inspiration for the Matrix, I can hardly see that as being a negative review. Part of the point behind Ghost in the Shell is that it takes cyberpunk on a deep spiritual bent, all the while bullets and cyber-carnage fills the screen.

        Everything mentioned in that negative review is essential to the franchise, so I for one am not deterred in the least. :)
    • Yes. Dude, its Ghost in the Shell, that makes it worth it. Heck, even if you don't like anime, the visuals make it worth it...
    • I liked it enough to see it twice, and that was with only understanding about 20% of the dialog. If you can watch a movie with the sound turned down and find it interesting, then it's probably a good movie. :)
  • I don't see it listed anywhere in the Austin metro area, am I seaching under the wrong name? Anyone know if the main protagonist is back in this?

    CVC
  • by wiredog ( 43288 ) on Friday September 17, 2004 @08:50AM (#10275963) Journal
    Not since I was about 12...
    • The link posted by Astrorunner above suggests that the submitter is on crack--"reasonably wide distribution" even for anime does not mean "If you live in a city with a population of less than 750,000 you will have to drive at least five hours to see it."

      • It wasn't meant to. AFAIK, there's no way to tell Yahoo to show all locations, not just ones that are geographically near you.
        • AFAIK, there's no way to tell Yahoo to show all locations, not just ones that are geographically near you.

          Yeah, thanks for posting that link. I spent too much time on Yahoo and Fandango trying to find things reasonably close, and trying larger cities further and further away and still getting nothing. The IMDB map was quite helpful in that it told me I was not going to ever see this movie in a theater.

          I still say the story submitter was on crack for suggesting there was "reasonably wide distribution."
  • by Mr Guy ( 547690 ) on Friday September 17, 2004 @08:52AM (#10275989) Journal
    Ghost In The Shell 2: Innocence in Theaters

    With those nightvision goggles they handed out, there's going to be a lot more "Innocence in Theaters". Poor kids, now where are preteens going to get their first make out session?
  • I was all excited about getting to see this in a theatre, but no...closest to my is NYC and that is over 500 miles away. Gah! Hopefully it will do well and more theatres will pick it up.
    • A lot of niche market movies such as this are released on a "market tier" basis. Large urban markets like New York and Los Angeles will get the film in it's first week, then, if business is good, it begins trickling down to smaller markets. Sometimes, you'll even see a tier system at work in a major city. A good case in point is the recent film "Garden State" (both thumbs way up, BTW), which originally opened here in Atlanta on only two screens, both of which were in premium theatres inside the city limi
  • by yecrom2 ( 461240 ) on Friday September 17, 2004 @08:54AM (#10276005)
    Looking at the way it's worded, I thought it was something about a new game called

    "Ghost in the shell 2: Innocence in Theaters"

    Do you have to go do a confession in a theater to become innocent again?

    Oh, well.
  • Looks good (Score:3, Interesting)

    by frankthechicken ( 607647 ) on Friday September 17, 2004 @08:54AM (#10276009) Journal
    I only had one problem with Ghost in the Shell (and Ninja Scrolls) in that they were the first two pieces of anime I was introduced to, and everything else seems to pale in comparison (with a couple of notable exceptions).

    However from watching the trailer, I have a feeling that I am really going to enjoy this sequel. It looks like a great deal of time and effort has gone into the style and visuals.
    • Wow, those were actually my first two pieces of anime as well.
      I even put Akira as a third in place to Ghost in the Shell and Ninja Scroll.
      The mix of Raw Vioence, Phenomenal artistry and deep narrative from Ghost in the Shell had my head spinning for a couple of days.
      and anytime I think I'm having a tough day at work I just remember Tessai (the stone-body demon) beating the living crap out of Jubei. That makes me remember that things could be a lot worse...if I were a cartoon.
    • That is how I was introduced as well.

      I have been trying to expand my anime movies, but it still seems that those two will always be in my top ten.
    • Re:Looks good (Score:4, Interesting)

      by meringuoid ( 568297 ) on Friday September 17, 2004 @09:43AM (#10276402)
      Am I the only person in the world who thought that Ninja Scroll sucked?

      It never seemed to know what it wanted to be. At times it seemed to want to break out the tentacles o' doom and go full scale hentai, and then later on (with the fight in the forest) it tries the Crouching Tiger approach. If it was one or the other maybe it would have worked, but as it was it seemed terribly uneven. And that ending bit on the ship... T2, anybody?

      I gather that the BBFC made some nasty cuts to it, though... perhaps that damaged it.

      Ghost in the Shell, OTOH, is wonderful. When I first saw it, I was filled with wonder at the originality and creativity of the Wachowski brothers, who hadn't shamelessly ripped off the whole film at all.

      • Am I the only person in the world who thought that Ninja Scroll sucked?

        No. You are not.

        I'm an anime junkie, but Ninja Scroll has very little going for it. I guess for 12-year old kids it would make a pretty thrilling double-feature with the original "Heavy Metal."
    • I'm pretty sure I saw Akira first, then GITS and Ninja Scroll, but it's a long time ago now, so it's hard to be sure. It's possible it was Alita, Battle Angel first (or Nausicaa), then the others. In any case, those three will always have a special spot in my DVD collection.
  • seen it last nite (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 17, 2004 @08:56AM (#10276022)
    the animation is AMAZING, if you liked the first ghost in the shell movie or the tv series then this is a must see, although it is a must see for the animation alone.

    loved it, recommend it
  • Hehe... (Score:2, Interesting)

    From Yahoo's website:

    Mozilla 1.7 Upgrade Required - MSIE / Netscape

    What ever happened the concept of downloading a video, and watching it.
  • by YetAnotherName ( 168064 ) on Friday September 17, 2004 @09:00AM (#10276049) Homepage
    Those of you who aren't otaku [wikipedia.org] may want to bring noseplugs to the theater, as such folk, nice though they may be, aren't known for their personal hygiene.

    Oh and before you think I'm baiting/trolling/etc., I am an otaku too ... fear me cosplay Sailor Moon [three-lights.net], as I've just had my chest waxed! ^_^
  • Soundtrack (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Gyorg_Lavode ( 520114 ) on Friday September 17, 2004 @09:05AM (#10276085)
    Also, the soundtrack to Ghost in the Shell: Innocence is wonderful. I have the Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex O.S.T. 1 CD and it was so good I decided to see about the other ones. Innocence is also excellent. The original is quieter, slower. SAC OST 2 is good also but SAC OST 1 and Innocence really stand out. I recommend them to anyone who liked the atmosphere created by the music of the original movie.
  • Blarg (Score:5, Funny)

    by transient ( 232842 ) on Friday September 17, 2004 @09:05AM (#10276087)
    There is also a trailer available.

    Not anymore.

  • by GillBates0 ( 664202 ) on Friday September 17, 2004 @09:05AM (#10276090) Homepage Journal
    bash$ ps -aux |grep gsview

    USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND
    root 1009 0.0 0.0 1384 448 ? S Sep14 0:10 gsview

    bash$ kill -9 1009
    • Well, there may have been a ghost in the shell, but you're far from innocent. Killing that poor process like that. What had it ever done to you? You should be ashamed of yourself.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 17, 2004 @09:06AM (#10276095)
    I downloaded the latest Ghost In The Shell movie from a little-known BitTorrent site [suprnova.org] yesterday, and after watching it, I was blown away--far better than the original. In fact, I was so blown away that I'll be paying for the theater experience to see it again and pray that there aren't any cellphone fuckers, crying babies, loud talkers, or sticky floors to piss me off.

    And to all of you anal-retentive copyright-lovers who are thinking "you don't have the right to 'sample' a movie before deciding if it's worth the money! especially if its precious anime!", I have this to say: "when 90% of everything is crap, i most certainly have the right to screen it, and neither should I have to rent it or see it aired on TV before I decide the artistic value merits my dollars as a reward to make more."

    • by Anonymous Coward
      """"neither should I have to rent it or see it aired on TV before I decide the artistic value merits my dollars as a reward to make more.""""

      gimme gimme gimme. fucking kids today thing they're entitled to everything.
    • by yamcha666 ( 519244 ) on Friday September 17, 2004 @09:29AM (#10276290)
      ...copyright-lovers who are thinking "you don't have the right to 'sample' a movie before deciding if it's worth the money! especially if its precious anime!", I have this to say...

      ...Especially if its not being played in any theaters near you. Looking at IMDB's show times, the nearest theater from me is 180 miles away.

      I think this movie deserves better theater release. But until movie makers give proper movies better coverage, I think I will find other means of getting my entertainment.

    • Hey, if you feel so strongly that you have the right, why are you posting as AC? Coward.
    • No, you do not have the right to screen it. You have the right to be informed enough to make a decision through reviews, trailers, word of mouth, hearsay, or that crazy voice in your head. There's a certain latin phrase that goes along the lines of "Caveat Emptor". I suggest looking it up.
    • Oh no, it's your god given right to enjoy the efforts of others labors for free and without compensation because you are special and deserving of all.

      If 90% is crap, don't watch it all. Let others watch it and follow the reviews. I've learned this with pretty much ALL hollywood movies, and as a result I see very few.

      You don't deserve anything free except that which has been deemed free, either by the will of the creator or that which has lapsed into the public domain. And if you disagree with that, then g
    • i most certainly have the right to screen it,

      The problem I have of this is that there was never such a legal right, even before P2P, DRM and all that crap. You may argue that you should have that right, but right now, you really don't have a right to screen movies for free using copyright infringing methods.
    • Ok, I just want to point out that Hawk's translation is WRONG in many parts. I saw the official translation that the Toronto Film Festival, and it differed greatly in most parts. I can safely say that at least 50% of Hawk's translation is complete BS. I've heard that 2 other groups are subbing the dvdrip, so by all means, WAIT UNTIL SOMEONE ELSE DOES IT. Or even better, watch it in theatres. It's worth it.
    • by torokun ( 148213 ) on Friday September 17, 2004 @10:46AM (#10276982) Homepage
      "i most certainly have the right to screen it . . ."

      Actually, you don't. I understand your badly wanting to, but you don't have any right to.

      It's a bargain between you and the producers, not optional charity from you to the producers.
    • by Skjellifetti ( 561341 ) on Friday September 17, 2004 @11:11AM (#10277285) Journal
      90% of US beer tastes like crap. Do you believe you have the right to steel a beer in order to try it before deciding whether to buy a six-pack?
  • GITS2 (Score:5, Insightful)

    by fistoflegend ( 813766 ) on Friday September 17, 2004 @09:11AM (#10276128)
    I think this might be a pretty worthwhile film. I liked the first one, but I didn't think it was as great as fanboys make it out to be. I think this one will be a little different.

    I don't think this will be "I, Robot" animated. The fact that the robot in GITS2 is a "gynoid", seems to point to a slightly darker, and more mature plot.

    Of note is the fact that GITS2 is nominated for the Palme D'Or at the Cannes film festival. It is the first animated film to achieve that.

    I also think that this movie will be more in tune with westerners vision of what a sci-fi film should be. Apparently it is quite an intelligent film, but the ideas may be more palatable to mainstream America than many other popular anime films.

    I probably won't be able to see it in theaters, but I will definitely pick up the DVD.

    There is a very nice write up on the film on Wired
    http://wired.com/news/digiwood/0,1412,64966,00.htm l [wired.com]

    ,

  • "With the major gone, can Bateau stop the carnage?"

    NoOOOOooOoooOoOOoo!?!
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 17, 2004 @09:15AM (#10276156)
    I first read that as "Goatse In the Shell" in theatres.

    You can be sure I didn't visit THAT trailer!
  • by thomasj ( 36355 ) on Friday September 17, 2004 @09:15AM (#10276158) Homepage
    [user@localhost user]$ echo $BASH_VERSION
    3.01-gs.0-beta
    [user@localhost user]$ type ghostview
    ghostview is a shell builtin
    [user@localhost user]$

    Hmm

  • by flatface ( 611167 ) *
    I was able to see this amazing movie at the Toronto Film Festival on the 9th. The Ryerson theatre was packed-- About 1100 (out of 1200 capacity) people attended it. This is the best movie that I have seen in years, and I recommend anyone who is or isn't an anime fan to see it. It was worth my $18 + 2 hour drive to see it.
  • Worth a view (Score:5, Informative)

    by Platinum Dragon ( 34829 ) on Friday September 17, 2004 @09:17AM (#10276176) Journal
    I had a chance to see GitS2:I at the Toronto International Film Festival last week. I'll need to see it again before I can properly critcize or praise it (I was a bit stoked about just having the chance to see it), but my first impressions are that it is visually stunning.

    I don't know how the storyline or certain philosophical aspects of the script will be taken by North American audiences (it's practically Confucian at times), but there were some moments of genuine humour that I think the first movie lacked. The animation style is interesting, and it looks damn good. One person who saw the movie with me said she was hooked by the animation in the trailer, which stunned her. She works at an animation company, so she has some idea of quality animation versus crap.

    Yeah. Worth a view, maybe two!
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 17, 2004 @09:17AM (#10276179)
    since TFS didn't mention any:

    GITS2 Home page [gofishpictures.com]
    Original HQ Japanese Trailer [www.ngi.it]
    Official Trailer for Gaijin [www.ngi.it], already stripped of the engrish "my very warm welcome to you for this most excellent trailer. I like to live life to the fullest!" headers.
  • That's something for a geek to put the blame on.

    "No, I didn't wreck your system by issuing that command, it was a ghost in the shell! I'm innocent!"
  • by feelafel ( 228034 ) on Friday September 17, 2004 @09:31AM (#10276303) Homepage
    I had the pleasure of seeing Ghost in the Shell 2 : Innocence at a midnight screening at the Toronto International Film Festival [www.bell.ca] along with about 1200 other people who all fit nicely into the "anime geek" demographic. The director wasn't there for a Q&A, which was sad, because after seeing the film I definitely had some Qs for which the As would have been interesting.

    The movie takes place some intederminate amount of time after Ghost in the Shell, and the Major's partner, Batou, has become something of a loner within Section 9. He feels that no new partner could ever equal the Major, and you really get the sense of the deep bond that had connected the two, and that he has lost. Of course, the fact that the Major's "ghost" simply disappeared without a trace is always itching at him, as well.

    The movie opens with Batou showing up at a crime scene where a "Gynoid" has slaughtered her owner and two cops. A fight ensues, and before it ends, Batou hears the "Gynoid" ask for help in the voice of a little girl.

    Section 9 decides to investigate, and Batou is assigned a new partner. The movie follows their investigation in pretty standard 3-act style, but the universe that the characters are moving through makes things a little more complicated. Everyone has an "e-brain" which is constantly connected to the global information net. Our characters spout obscure biblical and literal references, and more disturbingly, can have their heads hacked into if they're not paying attention closely. This frequently spurrs "Matrix"-like discussions and situations where characters are trying to determine what is real and what isn't. Batou's investigations take him to the modern Yakuza, an old border town, and eventually to the source of the plea for help he hears at the start of the movie.

    But that's the plot, which adds to the enjoyment of anime, but isn't neccessarily all that requisite, right? Let's talk about the other stuff that matters: the animation, and the imaginary future society.

    It rocks. There's an effective combination of computer animation and classic anime that causes some breathtaking moments (watch the alley scene at the beginning). The fights are fantastic, although I felt a little too few and far between. The futuristic world is well thought out, with a visual design being of a modern technological world that has gone 1920s-retro when it comes to industrial design and architecture.

    It's definitely worth seeing if you like anime.
  • by buzban ( 227721 ) <buz@NospAM.buzban.net> on Friday September 17, 2004 @09:40AM (#10276379) Homepage
    At the risk of trolling :P

    Am I the only one who read the 'Innocence in Theaters' part of the headline...and had a whole different idea about this story?
  • Better trailer? (Score:3, Informative)

    by delus10n0 ( 524126 ) <delusion_NO@SPAMpdsys.org> on Friday September 17, 2004 @09:59AM (#10276546) Homepage
    Ok:

    1) I hate Yahoo for putting very low kbps WMV trailers on the net.

    2) The trailer itself is very cheesy/lame-- how is this supposed to appeal to anyone but die hard Ghost in the Shell fans?

    3) Did I mention Yahoo's movie trailers suck?
    • You didn't mention that their showtime lookup sucks too. Yeah, I know it's not playing in my area. At least tell me where it's playing in my state and let me decide if I want to drive to Miami (no) or Jacksonville (still no) to see it. At least I found on another site [gofishpictures.com] that it will be playing in Sarasota (about an hour's drive probably) in mid-October. I guess I'll go see it then!
  • by TheNarrator ( 200498 ) on Friday September 17, 2004 @10:21AM (#10276711)
    From looking at the trailer this looks like another Frankenstein plot. Mad scientist creates artificial human, artificial human has problems. Same plot in Blade Runner, etc. Can't anyone think of any new Sci-fi plots already?

    Frankenstein returns 1163 matches [imdb.com] on IMDB so I think this qualifies as a cliche. Take a look at the plot summary of the original [imdb.com] if you don't believe this is in the same tradition.

    Tagline: A Monster Science Created - But Could Not Destroy! Plot Outline: Frankenstein creates a true android from dead human parts, but it gets out of his control and gets into trouble
  • How the hell do I get these Anime stories off my homepage? I have selected the "Anime" option under the "Exclude Stories From The Homepage" section of my preferences, but I still get the full gamut of stories. Anyone know how to (really) turn them off?
  • but what happened to Appleseed [a-seed.jp]? The last I heard, it had a North American distribution deal, but not a peep since.
    • but what happened to Appleseed? The last I heard, it had a North American distribution deal, but not a peep since.

      Geneon has the license and it was supposed to be released to theaters this summer, but obviously that hasn't happened. The North American release date is still unknown. But the film is only 5 months old, so one shouldn't get too worried about it just yet.

  • If you like Ghost in the Shell, you'll love the MAPP Mouse by creator Masamune Shiro. It's one of the most unique designs ever to grace a mouse:

    MAPP Mouse [shinza.com]
  • It's out on suprnova too.

    I love this century.
  • Apparently not a single showing in the entire state of FL. Either that, or their show locator thinks it's too difficult to search the theater locations for STATE="FL". I do not consider no shows in one of the most populous states in the country "reasonably wide".

  • by l0ungeb0y ( 442022 ) on Friday September 17, 2004 @04:33PM (#10280614) Homepage Journal
    I just got through watching the premier at the Embarcaro in SF and this is one of the rare sequels to live up to the original. Definitely a thinking mans movie with some serious eye candy. All I can say is AMAZING.

    If you take your action/sci-fi Hollywood-style and find dialogue/plot to be boring, then this is not the movie for you.

    To me, this movie is on a level on par with Blade Runner. The world they create in this movie is extremely rich the story is engaging and thought provoking -- they took all the elements of GS:1 and raised it to a new level. I'm definitely hoping for a 3rd installment by the same producers.

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