But the cost of having gas stations every few blocks.. the cost to real estate of not being able to use that land after the tanks are out of spec without huge investment in refurbishment and cleanup... and the cost of shipping trucks full of heavy volatile liquids all over the country is a non issue because its a familiar cost that you can't possibly imagine living without.

Parking lots are gold mines, adding charging at the rate that it's being used is only to the benefit of the owner... once the initial install is paid off it yet another profit center for one of the most profitable real estate investments you can make.

but that has nothing to do with the question you asked.

and the TCO for electrics regularly comes out lower than gas cars over the long haul but you just want to be contrarian because it makes you feel smart. My car was not significantly more expensive than a comparable ICE vehicle and the cost of maintenance has been far lower and my cost of operation per mile is also far lower. But knowing that doesn't make you feel superior so I'm sure you will ignore it.

yeah because there is not tax on gasoline. you sure did convince me.

Actually the municipal chargers are cheaper than the one I have at home by a few cents because they get a better deal on their electricity than I do... except at night when I get a special metered rate that saves me a few cents over a municipality. The point is, this isn't costing money. The install is not expensive and it pays for itself, all be it slowly, as people take advantage of the utility provided by the government.

but you are dumb as a rock and can't possibly understand how shit is funded.

Then I charge the next place I go. local trips aren't draining your battery heavily... locally I get a lot of trips before I even think about charging. Also the whole point of my post is that we should be installing a lot more level 2 chargers around at destinations which would solve this problem but its easier for you to ignore that.

I don't have to freak out when I don't find a charger at my destination but if you use them whenever they are available the number of times you would need to high speed charge (assuming no charger at home) would be pretty minor.

Or at your work... or at any of the places where you go for more than an hour at a time. It doesn't have to be home to be efficient. And I'm not talking about the expensive L3 that you are talking about. If you could go to work and plug into an L2 charger that won't cost you a few cents more per KW than an at home L2 charger you could pretty easily keep your car topped up on every commute.

L3 charging is expensive and fast, it's great for road trips, but most cars sit idle a lot of the time, and not just at night. Those are key opportunities for slower charging which is more cost effective.

oh, so the US is just too poor and unsuccessful to manage. Got it

TCO, EVs are less expensive due to maintenance costs, but what you want to know is cost per mile for fuel, which is reasonable.

If you are using L3 charging then EV's are not that much cheaper than gas per mile (not counting maintenance) in America, land of super cheap gas. Seeing the prices in Canada it seems a bit more favorable to EV's the last time I was there.

L2 charging generally costs half as much or a third as much as L3 charging because the install cost is far far lower and the power needs for such a charger are much more inline with residential and commercial power. No need for a huge expensive transformer. Using L2 either at home or as destination charging makes EVs per mile cost considerably lower. At home, charging overnight you can even get a lower cost for power in many locations resulting in an even lower per mile cost. This is why L2 charging is so important. Sure L3 is what you are going to need 200 miles into your road trip but for most day to day use L2 is going to be cheaper and more convenient.

Municipalities near me are making money on street and public charging so it's a net win for them, not a cost center. Grocery stores and Walmarts and the like would also make money from selling you power and studies have shown that adding chargers increases the traffic to such stores and improves revenue.

As for payment, it is true that this is still developing, but many chargers now support plug a pay where the car handshakes with the charger and pays automatically much like using ApplePay.

places with less dense populations can easily manage at home charging if we actually incentivized it, particularly for landlords. Any single family home can easily support a charger. Its apartment buildings that at least have the excuse that it's a major install to put in one per unit although the cost is often overblown.

But for public charging, you wouldn't put chargers along some dirt road in the middle of farm land, you focus on destination charging like grocery stores and downtown areas and parking garages at workplaces. Places where people drive too and spend time.

You can use it all the time. A lot near me has L2 charging and I use it all the time when I got to dinner in that area. A good dinner doesn't charge my car to full but it usually gives me more charge than it took to drive to the location making it a net positive. if I could do that at the grocery store or at department stores, if this was actually built out, the car would rarely drop low enough that there would be a reason to stop at a high speed station unless I was going on a longer road trip.

L3 charging has its place, its very useful, but it is not the end all be all of charging. If you could fuel you car for 1/3 the cost but at a gallon an hour while you sleep, or while you are eating dinner or while you are grocery shopping you would probably do that... nothing is stopping you from driving away after just a gallon or 2.

That's the difference. I don't have to wait until I'm down to 20% charge to top up a vehicle when topping it up just means plugging it in at a parking spot that it was going to sit in anyway.

that's an L3 charger. You don't need to use an L3 charger if your car is sitting for a longer peroid of time. what he is talking about is adding large quantities of L2 chargers which use considerably less power. If the car is sitting overnight, or sitting while I go shopping or out to dinner that is an opportunity to charge.

The added benefit is that the cost to install and run those chargers is massively lower than the L3 chargers that require a huge transformer for a block of charging stations.

In Montreal when I visit there there are a ton of EV chargers available for on street parking. They are also rolling out on street charging in the American city that I live in. None of this is impossible, it just takes actually building the infrastructure instead of just complaining that EV charging is an unmanageable problem.

Frankly if we just set up level 2 chargers at most destinations, parking garages, grocery stores, movie theaters etc, the amount of charging one would have to do at home would be very low. Instead we are hyper focused on L3 chargers everywhere, but most of the time those take 10-15 minutes to charge my car unless I've drained it considerably... that isn't enough time for me to enjoy a meal or go grocery shopping. L3 should be much more focused around interstate travel. Sure some in local areas would be good but they would be far less necessary if L2 infrastructure was more pervasive. Given the much lower cost per charger we could cover a lot more ground with L2 charging

Im on an MacOS 26 machine now and it definitely does, if the cursor hasn't changed I can't resize the window and when it does change I can. I have a reasonable space both inside and outside the window to resize.

Sure the grippy thing is gone but it doesn't seem any harder to resize a window and I certainly get visual feedback

for local trips I don't go to high speed charging stations. honestly if we focused more on level 2 chargers being ubiquitous that would be far more effective for folks who can't charge at home. If every restaurant, bar, grocery store, movie theater, had level 2 chargers you would be able to easily keep your car topped up and at a much lower cost than the high speed chargers.

When I use high speed chargers it is for road trips and saving time would be nice, but my car does 20-80 in 18 minutes on a good charger. With the upcoming generation of cars that will be the standard and some coming out are going to be even faster. I rarely have to stop for long enough to go to the bathroom and grab a snack and if the folks who can't charge at home had more ubiquitous access to L2 charging they wouldn't be relying on these high speed chargers either.

All of this is to say that the batter swap, which would still take time, just doesn't have the consumer advantage. Add to that the overhead of the infrastructure and the need to get multiple companies standardized and it's just not going to be a thing. It might have had legs if charging had stayed as slow as it was on the old EVs but that is just not the case

Buying an ICE car doesn't make you better at time management. Maybe be an adult and plan your trips so you arrive when you need to arrive.