for local trips I don't go to high speed charging stations. honestly if we focused more on level 2 chargers being ubiquitous that would be far more effective for folks who can't charge at home. If every restaurant, bar, grocery store, movie theater, had level 2 chargers you would be able to easily keep your car topped up and at a much lower cost than the high speed chargers.

When I use high speed chargers it is for road trips and saving time would be nice, but my car does 20-80 in 18 minutes on a good charger. With the upcoming generation of cars that will be the standard and some coming out are going to be even faster. I rarely have to stop for long enough to go to the bathroom and grab a snack and if the folks who can't charge at home had more ubiquitous access to L2 charging they wouldn't be relying on these high speed chargers either.

All of this is to say that the batter swap, which would still take time, just doesn't have the consumer advantage. Add to that the overhead of the infrastructure and the need to get multiple companies standardized and it's just not going to be a thing. It might have had legs if charging had stayed as slow as it was on the old EVs but that is just not the case

Buying an ICE car doesn't make you better at time management. Maybe be an adult and plan your trips so you arrive when you need to arrive.

because stopping to charge on the occasion that you are driving a longer drive just isn't that big of a deal. If I had to do it weekly that would be somewhat inconvenient but even with all the road trips I go on I have to stop for a charge less than once a month.

Yeah, because it will cost a lot less to take kids away from parents that are poor and dealing with food insecurity and put them into an already overburdened foster care system where the state has to pay for their food and clothes and a roof over their heads instead of just providing support to the family and making sure the kids have access to the food they need.

Seriously, this is braindead thinking. CPS is for parents that are an actual problem, not ones who are simply poor. It costs so much less to address the problems of poverty and food insecurity than it does to criminalize people who live in poverty and with food insecurity.

Income tax is not the only kind of tax

So clearly the answer is 6 day work weeks, you will be 20% more productive for your corporate masters.

yeah you want to spend your time at gas stations and breathe in gas fumes and spend more money per mile to get where you are going.

Spending 10 minutes looking at a map app 1 time a year when I'm driving to the middle of nowhere is a worthy trade off. Hell the car will do it for you in most cases, I just like checking ahead when I'm planning a trip (which I do, unless I'm going someplace Ive been before, I tend to check a map and figure out how long the trip is very Gen X of me I suppose). If you ask your cars nav to get you someplace it will find the chargers for you based on your charge preferences and you can just blindly follow its instructions. Not my style but I'm confident a lot of people do that.

People are just so in their head about charging which is barely a concern for actual EV owners instead of looking at the annoyances and costs they have dealt with for their entire life. Once you don't deal with them anymore it's really quite nice and the quality of life improvement is completely worth it.

It's important to research that in your area, before I bought my ioniq I checked to see how common the fastest chargers were. Since I was going to have home charging I didnt care about local stuff (there are quite a few) but more about how common they are about 200 or so miles from my house. I then also looked at how common the slightly less fast chargers were and I decided that where I was that was going to take care of my needs for the kinds of places I was going to road trip to.

You should know if half your road trips won't be able to take advantage of that 18 minute charge and will take over 30 instead. That might not change your mind about a car depending on the frequency of those road trips, but it's a totally reasonable thing to research for the area you live in.

True, but home charging is way cheaper per mile and is often the majority of someone's charge. Ive also found that public level 2 chargers are very cheap, often not that much more than what I pay for power at home. Presumably because they cost a lot less to install in parking lots than the huge transformers for fast chargers. I use those often to top off when I am out and about.

My car takes 15-18 minuets to charge to 80% on a fast charger. Once a week or so I could stop at a charger about a mile from my house for a bit longer than you stop at a gas station, and that assumes that there was no place I was going that week that had level 2 chargers which are available in may of the parking lots in my area. Going to the store or a restaurant and coming out to a car that has gained 10% charge in the time I was spending anyway is pretty fantastic.

Mind you, I dont know where you live, I dont know what the infrastructure looks like but its stupid to shit talk EV's just because the place you live hasn't bothered to build out any infrastructure. If the US can manage it, I'm pretty sure Europe can too.

Because you don't need those miles today? Because if suddenly you needed to drive 500 miles today you would have to stop to charge anyway and that 20% really isn't going to make a difference? Because when you are at a charger on the road the time to get from 80-100% is significant because the change slows down and it is usually more time effective to add another stop to charge than to wait the extra time? Unless you are entering an area where you really need that extra charge to make the next charger that time ends up being wasted compared to getting back on the road and getting to the next charger sooner.

At home, if you want to keep your car charged to 100% then by all means, I charge mine to 100 before I leave on a road trip for convenience because its happening over night and Im not waiting. You are probably right, the impact on the battery might not be that bad (and if you lease, who cares) but you will almost certainly not use that extra range on the vast majority of days. On road trips it makes sense to stop around 80. Not that I have it limited. I often find that just the break and getting a snack takes enough time to get my car up to over 80% (generally takes about 15-18 minutes for my car on a fast charger). I let it charge more, but once I'm back at the car I get in and leave, I don't wait for 100%

One of the hardest things about EV's is range anxiety. I have found that its basically a non issue once you own one for a little while and become accustomed to it, but how to convince someone of that who has not actually lived with an EV for a few weeks? That I cannot tell you

Car based payment is becoming pretty standard and should make it a lot easier. I completely agree with you on the apps though, the first time at any networks charger like 10 minutes of downloading and configuring and setting up an account. More chargers should have a basic credit card reader on them at least to make this simple. I dont want a new account for a charging network I may never see again.

But if we can get to the point where you plug in your car and it knows how to pay for power that would make things a lot easier overall. They enabled that for my car but I haven't set it up yet. maybe before my next road trip.

It really depends on where you live and where you are road tripping to. I just drove to NYC and didn't think about where I was going to stop until the car got down to about 30%. I was able to find my preferred charging network right off the road with no problem at all and was charged up and on the road in 15 minutes or so (after fumbling with the app, I haven't set up in car payment yet).

Of course if I was driving in northern New England I would probably spend more time planning.

Range anxiety is such an issue for people who have not owned an electric car. It's a real shame. I was really worried about buying a car with only 260 miles of range but wanted all wheel drive where I am located. In practice this has been a non issues for me. While location and infrastructure is a big issue with electrics and not everyone is in a place with the kind of coverage I have, in practice I never worry about charging.

I just got back from my third road trip in a year with this car and had no difficulties with high speed charging. The fact that my car charges much faster than most on the right chargers makes it so the car is often ready to go before, and never having to worry about going to the gas station is actually a much nicer impact than I thought it would be.

How to get people to understand this before they have lived with an electric car, I can't really say. Thats going to be a real challenge eventually.