Yahoo! Research Labs 163
glinden writes "Yahoo! issued a press release today announcing their creation of Yahoo! Research Labs. Although there's not much there yet, it's clearly targeting Google and Google Labs. The battle between MSN, Yahoo, and Google in the "Year of Search" is heating up. And it's still only January."
Email Wars, IM Wars, Search Engine Wars.... (Score:1)
Uhhh... (Score:5, Funny)
"Yahoo Labs"... there's got to be a Farside cartoon in there somewhere.
Re:Uhhh... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Uhhh... (Score:2)
Chocolate Drink Made At Yahoo Labs? (Score:1)
Re:Chocolate Drink Made At Yahoo Labs? (Score:1)
Yahoo? Invent? (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm serious-- I'd just like to know if Yahoo has any record of invention.
Re:Yahoo? Invent? (Score:1)
When was the last time Yahoo actually invented something, as opposed to licensing, acquiring or copying it?
You are right but on the other hand once upon a time yahoo was indeed the best portal serach engine/around.
Re:Yahoo? Invent? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Yahoo? Invent? (Score:1)
Re:Yahoo? Invent? (Score:1)
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/misc/history.html
Re:Yahoo? Invent? (Score:4, Interesting)
They were the first large portal... and we have all heard the rumors that google also is going that route. Likewise, google is establishing a mail service... something that yahoo has been doing fairly well for quite a while.
Yahoo has weathered the dotcom bust pretty well. The 5-year trend is looking up and up despite the recent poor economy. [yahoo.com]
Yahoo was a pioneer. Yahoo is surviving.
Give'm a break.
AC
Re:Yahoo? Invent? (Score:3, Interesting)
Yahoo in 1997 [archive.org]
Re:Yahoo? Invent? (Score:2)
http://my.yahoo.com
Re:Yahoo? Invent? (Score:2, Informative)
Uh. The chart you pulled doesn't match your description. YHOO is down ~45% from where it stood 5 years ago, and has underperformed all the common U.S. stock indices in that timeframe. Take a a look for yourself [yahoo.com]. The chart you pulled was for the max timeframe, not 5 years, and had logarithmic prices (distortion.. money isn't logarithmic).
Re:Yahoo? Invent? (Score:5, Informative)
I've heard the rumors, but I don't believe them for a second. Didn't the idea of the monolithic Web Portal site die out around 1999?
Google's core mission, as far as I can tell, is to provide highly meaningful search results in a variety of specific contexts -- News, Shopping, Usenet, etc. That alone does not a portal make.
Likewise, google is establishing a mail service...
From what I've heard, it's going to be an advertising service for emailers, and not the kind of "sign up to get your @google.com disposable webmail address" tools that Yahoo! and Hotmail offer.
Re:Yahoo? Invent? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Yahoo? Invent? (Score:3, Insightful)
Does anyone else find it ironic that Yahoo Research is just Overture Research rebranded? Another acquisition.
Re:Yahoo? Invent? (Score:2)
Re:Yahoo? Invent? (Score:2)
They might want to start researching (Score:1)
or their chat rooms for that matter (Score:1)
Yaaaa-hoooo! (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Yaaaa-hoooo! (Score:1)
ah, well.
Re:Yaaaa-hoooo! (Score:2)
motto (Score:2, Insightful)
Anyone else think the disruption is a bit out of place in their motto? I know it caused me to read it twice, which is perhaps what they want.
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disruption indeed (Score:2, Funny)
All of the "success stories" they list on the site are related to target web advertising, so yes, "disruption" is indeed related to what they do.
Re:motto (Score:2)
I think they're referring to "Disruptive Technologies", like the Web or Linux, where something comes along that causes a sea change in the IT industry. It's basically saying "we intend to generate buzzwords for the PHBs, not just follow them."
Soko
Re:motto (Score:2, Insightful)
What's interesting is the way they've arranged the words, Invention:disruption, innovation:improvement.
Silly! People! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Silly! People! (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Silly! People! (Score:1)
yAhoo!
although that sounds like someone sneezing.
Re:Silly! People! (Score:1)
Re:Silly! People! (Score:1)
Googlemail (Score:5, Insightful)
Lately, (and I'm sure lot of you have noticed) Google's search results have been a little more oriented towards commercial sites. Not good. They should apply the KISS principle.
I love Google (like billion other people) and it will be sad if going public and eventually catering to stockholders starts a downward spiral.
Re:Googlemail (Score:1)
In some searches 30% of the top 10 listings are other search directories -- or commercial services that simply do not have anything to do with the material being researched.
The URLs to these hits are usually formatted in a very peculiar manner -- basially your search string lowercased with underscores for spaces. So if I searched up "Dogs and Cats" I might get:
http://dogs.cats.com/dogs_and_cats.html
And if one goes to that page all they find is that it
Re:Googlemail (Score:4, Insightful)
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It seems like Google has shot themselves in the foot recently. Their "adsense" program lets web site operators serve google adwords and receive a portion of the revenue. Some of these site operators have figured out how to spam the latest google algorithm. Now the first page of results for many search terms is little more than links to pages that have a google textad at the top and a bunch of index spamming
Re:Googlemail (Score:1)
I'm not sure this is intentional. I think everyone here has noticed a lot of the garbage that comes up with your average search lately. Most of them are sites whose business model revolves around high search rankings. You can tell because their domain names are almost always like "www.viagra-by-the-pound-direct.com" or "www.st
"Google kicks a$$ at search results" Really? (Score:4, Insightful)
Really? I've noticed that when I do a search for just about anything, the top 10 to 15 are Spam. This, of course is not completly Google's fault, Spamers have learned how to manipulate Google with fake front door pages. But I've been finding Google less and less Spam free to the point now only marganably better than any other search.
Re:"Google kicks a$$ at search results" Really? (Score:2)
I eventually gave up trying to find the answer using Google. I did find 10,000 places to buy them but it wasn't actually obvious what they were, how big they are, if you put both feet on one, or had one on each foot etc.
AllTheWeb actually had a few links on the front page where I managed to figure out the answer.
Re:Googlemail (Score:4, Insightful)
On the other hand, Yahoo has subscription-based services and other things to keep customers loyal such as an e-mail address that can't be moved (unlike wireless phone numbers).
I don't know why, but something about the webpage (Score:1)
Re:I don't know why, but something about the webpa (Score:2)
I like that name Dr. Flake. I have known some flakey phd's in my life
Competition is good (Score:5, Insightful)
Would you prefer technology stagnate?
Good luck to the teams at both google and yahoo!
I dont believe in brand loyalty. Cause no company has believed in customer loyalty.
Re:Competition is good (Score:2)
On the contrary, many smouldering corpses of the Dotcom era believed precisely that. The idea was to piss money to get customers who would then stick around when you changed from a free to a pay service.
I don't believe in brand loyalty either, but it's not because of any moralistic judgements about the failings of companies, it's simply because no company deserves my money today unless they earned it today. That's the co
Great.. (Score:3, Interesting)
Rus
heating up? (Score:5, Funny)
Yup, it's January - thank God *something* is finally heating up!
and the winner is...... (Score:1)
It should only make sense. (Score:4, Interesting)
Using heuristics in searches (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Using heuristics in searches (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Using heuristics in searches (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Using heuristics in searches (Score:2)
Re:Using heuristics in searches (Score:5, Funny)
Brilliant (but evil) scientist: Ah! My diabolic new creation awakens! The world will never be the same again! Mmmmwwwhahahahaha!!!
[Speaking to machine] So, my heuristic-driven search engine machine, what universal truths have you discovered? Have you discovered the meaning of life?
Machine: [Metallic voice] I have discovered that George Bush is a miserable failure.
Brilliant (but evil) scientist: I knew that already! What else have you discovered?
Machine: Your penis is too small...
Brilliant (but evil) scientist: D'oh! [Slaps forhead]
Machine: I have also discovered Jar Jar binks sucks bigtime.
Brilliant (but evil) scientist: But what of the meaning of life?? You've discovered that haven't you?
Machine: Britney is hot.
etc. etc.
[etc.]
Re:Using heuristics in searches (Score:4, Interesting)
A heuristic is an estimate of the distance to your goal that you can use to evaluate which node in the seach space to expand next.
Your truths about the world are sentences that exist in the knowlage base.
There are some really good notes on search on the MIT Open Course Ware website here [mit.edu].
Re:Using heuristics in searches (Score:5, Informative)
Not necessarily. There are various definitions of heuristic, one of which is "a commonsense rule (or set of rules) intended to increase the probability of solving some problem". By that definition "water is wet" is a heuristic. Perhaps some people use the term differently, but when I studied AI that was a common definition.
Re:Using heuristics in searches (Score:2)
As another poster has pointed out, this project had nothing to do with heuristics, and everything to do with ontology -- that is, the formal specification of knowledge using logical constructs.
In the way of background, the project was the brainchild of Douglas Lenat, who proposed to take traditional AI technques to their limit by giving a computer p
Really, it's research.overture.com (Score:5, Interesting)
Click on the "Research", then the "Open Source Search", and then the "Staff" tab.
Notice the URL now says:
http://research.overture.com/staff.xml
Now, I'm not sure whether the two sites, research.overture.com and labs.yahoo.com were launched at the same time. There's no Netcraft record for research.overture.com (at least, there wasn't when I last checked it), so I couldn't get an uptime or anything of that nature.
But considering that the URL changes halfway through while you're browsing through the site, it leaves me to believe this was a fast hatchet job of getting something, anything out of the door to compete with Google, now that Yahoo is severing its ties with the search engine.
Re:Really, it's research.overture.com (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Really, it's research.overture.com (Score:2)
It is interesting that, this Gary William Flake (who looks like a nice guy [mit.edu]) may have done a lot before joining Overture (the books he wrote, for instance). But that company in itself does not seem to be much of a credential. I mean, building a sear
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Re:Really, it's research.overture.com (Score:2)
Re:Really, it's research.overture.com (Score:2)
Rosie Jones, Dan Fain. Query Word Deletion Prediction, Overture Research Technical Report OR-2003-002
Some of their papers look quite interesting. Check them out at http://labs.yahoo.com/publications.xml.
It was yesterday (Score:2)
It won't be hard to beat Google (Score:5, Interesting)
Once Yahoo! starts producing useful products from their research in Yahoo! labs, they will show that not only is Google Labs a complete waste of time and money (Google's money that is) but it does not generate revenue to support its existence.
Re:It won't be hard to beat Google (Score:3, Interesting)
I'd say that's pretty useful now, wouldn't you? I suppose making money off of Google News is another matter.
I think that in order to group its stories according to general topic, it uses Google Sets [google.com], also developed in their research labs.
Re:It won't be hard to beat Google (Score:2)
-T
Re:It won't be hard to beat Google (Score:2)
One of the most interesting uses of the Image Search I have seen is to find screenshots of software you're interested in, say
Re:It won't be hard to beat Google (Score:2)
Call for Help (Score:3, Interesting)
Open Source Search
Remember the early Linux days -- when code contributions and discussion forums were one in the same? What if web search harvested the global treasure store for sharing the advancements in retrieval, indexing, ranking, disambiguation, communities, profiling, presentation...imagine what could be. Lend your support (we did) by keeping tabs on this project.
Re:Call for Help (Score:1)
Google is innovative (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Google is innovative (Score:1)
Aquiring geocities was the last smart thing yahoo did.
And ruining it was the first dumb thing I noticed.
Bad signs (Score:4, Funny)
Error 404: File Not Found
The page '/error.html' could not be found. Please check that you did not mistype the URL. If you followed a link to this page, we apologize for the error.
Its a bad sign when you cannot find the error page
Too many features (Score:3, Insightful)
Y! should research how many of their features are currently used regularily by their users. IMHO, I do not think that cramming a web site with extra features does "advance the use of the Internet in daily lives and to continually improve the user experience".
It is good to see that Y! is interested in improving their services in many areas : "performance search, web search, vertical businesses and platform technologies", but they should concentrate on some specific business instead of trying to get a part of the market in as many different business markets as possible.
Call me oldfashioned, or offtopic, or whatnot, but I miss the days when you could talk to some store owner who has been specialized in one specific field and who could give you advice based on his experience. Don't get me wrong, I know that such people still exist, but they are getting rarer if you compare to all the Wal-Martish stores that are "diversifying" their line of products and services. The same is seen online...
Will Yahoo Do AI 4 U? (Score:2, Interesting)
The best search engine [google.com] would be a friendly artifiical intelligence (FAI) that mimicked your state of mind in searching for exactly what you need and want.
Friendly AI [visitware.com] is poised to co-evolve with human beings and search out the optimal future for man and 'borg in Joint Stewardship of Earth.
The Poor Man's AI Lab [bloggingnetwork.com] will go up against MIT, Google Labs and the Yahoo! Reseach Labs anytime in real-time AI research.
AI4U -- the leading alternative AI Textbook [amazon.com] -- should be required reading at the Yahoo! Researc
Yahoo or Overture ? (Score:4, Informative)
Most, if not all of these guys seem to be from Overture. I read the resumes which are available, simply because I was interested in what their focus for research would be. Everyone who has a blurb seems to have joined from Yahoo's acquisition of Overture..
Makes me wonder, then. Was Overture such a force in the search arena ?
Interestingly, I also notice that some of their developers are just BSc guys.. W00t!:) Its not a PhD/MSc only thing like Google (ok, there are a few PhDs as "senior" scientists)
Re:Yahoo or Overture ? (Score:2, Insightful)
As somebody with a PhD, let me just say that they aren't all they are cracked up to be. I honestly don't see any difference between the amount I learned in 4 1/2 years of PhD and the first 3 or 4 years I was in the corperate world.
You don't need to be a PhD to be a good researcher. This is especially true for people with generalist undergrad degrees who have learnt how to research. I find people with really specialist college degrees are next to useless when c
Re:Yahoo or Overture ? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:How Hard is it to Click the About Tab? (Score:2)
Thanks for pointing out the "About" tab :) yes, I noticed it. Now, maybe you can do some research and figure out how many of that laundry list of items is represented in the staff ? notice anything ? Not all the fields in there match the peoples' interests.
As for that comment about the cheer, you wouldn't be my supervisor by any chance, would you ? :)
Yahoo labs all about advertising (Score:1)
None of Google Resarch Labs' projects mention advertising, but anyone with half a brain can see how many of the projects could help consumers find relevent information.
I prefer Google's attitiude. They appear to care more about user's ability to get useful information than the user's ability to get relevent ad
Yahoo sucks. (Score:3, Insightful)
Yahoo: Medium weight pages, due mostly to ads and other crap on their service that they're advertising. I remember they had popups, don't know if they do now. (Thank you, Firebird devs!) Search results that mimic but aren't as polished as Google. Has everything one could think of, excels at nothing.
Yahoo can't hold a candle to Google. Yahoo is a web portal. Google is a tool for searching. When I want to search, which do I use?
That said, the only way I think Google can become more useful is if they added a dictionary and thesaurus to their search box. I.E. "dictionary:crusade". Oh, and improve the Zietgeist. Other than that, Google shall remain the God of searching unless they muck it up.
All I see Yahoo doing is using this to add more crap to a site with already too much crap on it, truth be told. Simplicity is highly underrated.
Re:Yahoo sucks. (Score:3, Informative)
Sorry for replying to my own post but I just tried this out -
Ignore my dictionary remark. Already done. Damn, they're good.
Re:Yahoo sucks. (Score:1)
hardly a competition of the search engines (Score:1)
Here's an innovative idea (Score:5, Insightful)
Not to get into a whole discussion about gender here, but I'm guessing that having a larger percentage of women in the group might lead to research in different areas.
I mean, women are probably a decent chunk of search engine users these days; it might be interesting to see if they have different interests or ideas on how they want to search.
If their goal is to increase market share, then one step might be to make services that cater to a now generally marginalized but growing sector of net users -- women.
MSN's inflated numbers (Score:1, Offtopic)
What irks me is that so many people leave MSN as their default IE home page. At that point laziness kicks in for many of them, and they just search from what IE brought up automatically. A vast portion of MSN's hits and refers come from this simple explanation.
Well, their technology is crap. (Score:2)
VeriSign (Score:1, Funny)
Research lab? (Score:2, Interesting)
A traditional research lab focuses on basic research, with occasional industry applications coming out. Examples of this include IBM TJ Watson Research Center, Xerox PARC, Bell Labs, (surprisingly) Microsoft Research, a
Yahoo is not the best portal (Score:2)
I'd love to see Yahoo Labs try to compete... then My Way might start releasing new features again.
Re:Yahoo is Dean? (Score:2)
Yahoo message boards do not let me post links to google! I guess Yahoo takes this rivalry seriously.
Re:Yahoo is Dean? (Score:1)
Re:Yahoo is Dean? (Score:1)
Could you imagine if Google started handing our free web based e-mail accounts? Just imagine getting spammed by sexy4you@google.com.
Ouch... that hurts just thinking about it... Google is more because they are less of what you don't want.
Re:Yahoo is Dean? (Score:2)
Re:Yahoo is Dean? (Score:5, Funny)
``Dad, it's done loading.''
``Well, where is everything.''
``That is everything.''
``Change it back''
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Re:Yahoo is Dean? (Score:2)
Re:Yahoo is Dean? (Score:2)
Except they are profitable and still exist. Personally, I think there still some things Yahoo is better at than google, so I use both fairly often.
Trouble is, Yahoo can be "verbed" easily, the phrase Yahooing just doesn't sound right.