Skydiving Across the English Channel 323
loonix_gangsta writes "Felix Baumgartner, an Austrian, has become the first person to skydive 35 km (22 miles) across the English Channel. Wearing a jumpsuit with a large carbon fin strapped to his back he reached speeds of up to 360 km/h. The whole flight took approximately 14 minutes. The newsitem is being covered by the BBC, SkyNews
and CNN."
Moneypenny (Score:5, Funny)
You know, the plane is blowing up, Bond puts two in the bad guy and grabs a boogie board then straps it to his back. The music kicks in ("DAA DAA DOOOM DAA-DAA, DAA-DAA-DAA"), Bond grabs the gal, and whoosh, out the door.
From the CNN article: "He said cloud cover meant he could not see where he was going and had to follow his two planes across the Channel.". I bet nobody believed the pilot of the 747 at first. "No really, was a guy, with a rocket pack or something, honest!".
Re:Moneypenny (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Moneypenny (Score:2)
Re:Moneypenny (Score:5, Interesting)
What's interesting about it is that the scene is *NOT* a special effect. It was really done by two people. Jolie is a skydiver herself, and wanted to do the actual stunt but the producers wouldn't let her for fear of the insurance costs.
That wasn't the best scene in Tomb Raider (Score:5, Funny)
That was OK. I liked the scene where she was running better. "That's right....bounce for Daddy...ooooh"
Re:Moneypenny (Score:5, Insightful)
I am a skydiver with 900 jumps, and I have 60
jumps on the Birdman wingsuit, which is used in the movie.
1. There is no building on this planet tall enough
to leap from and glide 3 miles with a wingsuit.
2. In the movie you see them running across roof
and then jumping, while wearing conventional
suits. Then their suits "magically" sprout
wings a moment after the jump. You CANNOT run
wearing a wingsuit; You can only waddle.
3. It is apparent from your post that you got your
information from that USA Today article which
has been the subject of much ridicule among
skydivers on www.dropzone.com forums.
Incidently, no one can verify that Jolie has
ever made a jump, despite her claims.
Re:Moneypenny (Score:3, Insightful)
I believe the parent poster just wanted to let everyone know there really are such things as wingsuits and that was real footage of two people flying in them. If you're already an expert on the subject, that's fine, you really didn't need to reply... of course, it's always a good ide
Re:Moneypenny (Score:3, Interesting)
Yeah, I saw it, I admit it.
Re:Moneypenny (Score:5, Funny)
I am a skydiver with 900 jumps, and I have 60 jumps on the Birdman wingsuit, which is used in the movie.
Incidently, no one can verify that Jolie has ever made a jump, despite her claims.
Incidentally, the same could be said about you.
Re:Moneypenny (Score:3, Funny)
Possible real military application?? (Score:5, Interesting)
Imagine US Special Forces soldiers wearing these suits (which have been coated with radar-absorbing materials to reduce radar cross-section) and being launched from 32,000 feet on a C-17 cargo plane at night. They could glide 30 miles or more, which would allow these forces to be inserted far into enemy territory.
(Come to think of it, the US Special Forces may already HAVE this capability.)
Sooooo... (Score:4, Funny)
So, does he play 'Shark' when he gets into the water?
Nice one my son! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Nice one my son! (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Nice one my son! (Score:3, Funny)
"A cameraman following him passed out through lack of oxygen in the plane before the jump.
And when he jumped his legs and glider got entangled and he had to cut his glider into pieces, he said. "
With the channel beneath you it gives a new meaning to BLUE screen of death.
Re:Nice one my son! (Score:4, Funny)
You've seen WinME up for 14 minutes straight? Oh, you're counting boot up time...
Skydiving. (Score:5, Funny)
How appropriate.
Re:Skydiving. (Score:2, Funny)
No, it's a division of the Evil Empire of Rupert Murdoch.
So he made it? (Score:2, Funny)
Re:So he made it? (Score:3, Funny)
One would think not, as the Blitz was in the other direction...
Re:So he made it? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:So he made it? (Score:2)
Skydiving? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Skydiving? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Skydiving? (Score:2)
Re:Skydiving? (Score:2)
20-19-18-17-16
Brings a whole new meaning to... (Score:5, Funny)
"No, actually, it's Felix Baumgartner."
"Oh."
Re:Brings a whole new meaning to... (Score:5, Funny)
I saw this guy on TV and he looked more like Buzz Lightyear!
To Calais... and beyond.... ;-)
Hmm.. (Score:5, Interesting)
14 minutes is ~0.23 hours. 360km/h *
What interests me, is how he managed to accelerate up to the 360 kph mark, and slow back down, without the sharp sudden stop that I associate with skydiving. (C'mon you know you saw him bouncing along a field until he smacked into an old hardwood)
Re:Hmm.. (Score:5, Insightful)
As for slowing down, there are these devices called "parachutes" that skydivers, the succesful ones anyways, tend to favor.
Re:Hmm.. (Score:4, Funny)
Interesting. I have an idea. How about we steal all these "parachutes" from the whole world and ask for one trillion dollars yp return them? Without these "parachutes" all "skydivers" would die.
</dr evil's voice>
Re:Hmm.. (Score:5, Interesting)
Normal behavior for a skydiver is to fall out of a plane, accellerate up to terminal velocity, maintain that speed for a while, then open your parachute, which slows you down to a lower terminal velocity, then hit the ground and (hopefully) stop.
Adding horizontal displacement to the mix shouldn't change the nature of the problem too much....
Re:Hmm.. (Score:5, Informative)
If this is a troll, I'll bite, but since there are two comments in the same vein, I don't think it is. Unless the trolls are teaming up.. dear god..
Speaking from skydiving experience, if you open your parachute at 360kph, the parachute will be ripped right off your back and probably break a few bones in the process.
Even during a "normal" skydive the diver can accelerate to around 160mph (sorry for the sudden unit switch) by falling vertically. However, before deploying the parachute, the skydiver must slow themselves down by going into the "neutral" position: arched back, hands and legs out. This will slow the diver down to around 120mph, which is safe to deploy the canopy.
Re:Hmm.. (Score:2)
How fast is a sky diver usually going horizontally when they get out of a plane?
Re:Hmm.. (Score:2, Informative)
On a normal skydive, about 90-110mph, depending on the plane. No idea for this jump, considering the special nature....
Re:Hmm.. (Score:5, Funny)
Um, no, there's no hopefully about it. When you hit the ground, you WILL stop, parachute or no parachute.
The state of your body when you stop is open for debate...
Re:Hmm.. (Score:2, Insightful)
Slowdown is pretty sharp too, but it is still not an instant stop, so the shock is there but it normally doesn't tears the limbs.
Re:Hmm.. (Score:2)
Those figures aren't surprising. It's a little glider. I doubt it can stall like a regular glider and come to a momentary standstill, but still it has to have some kind of stall characteristic which usually means it can be slowed down quite a bit before it starts dropping like a rock again. Also, he had to have pulled a parachute at the end. That's what's really pulling down the average. Also, maybe he has to pull a chute or else it's a glide and not a dive. If this becomes popular, you just know that
Re:Hmm.. (Score:5, Informative)
Jumping from the height this guy was on, means you have less drag, but the drag increases when you go lower, until he reaches the lower parts of the atmosphere where unpowered flight seems to be limited to about 220kph. Now would he have jumped out at 30km height, he would have broken the sound barrier and then, slowed down to 220kph.
This ofcourse holds untill the density goes (quite abruptly) up to that of solid rock, at which point velocity goes down to zero.
Not on Earth, he wouldn't. (Score:4, Informative)
Now would he have jumped out at 30km height, he would have broken the sound barrier and then, slowed down to 220kph.
Mach I at 30 km (18.6 miles) is about 675 mph. He was travelling, at his fastest, at 360 kmh (200 mph), nowhere near the sound barrier at any altitude. The sound barrier increases and decreases even as altitude increases, but it never goes lower than about 660 mph. Here's a chart of Mach 1 at different altitudes [aerospaceweb.org].
(On an entirely different note, has anyone besides me noticed that the quality of Slashdot moderation has degraded over the last year or so? I haven't been "assigned" mod points since the great move West, but I know I used to do a better job than what passes for moderation these days. The mod system needs something way much more effective than the current M2 system which does absolutely nothing. I mean, we're talking about something fundamental as the speed of sound.)
Re:Not on Earth, he wouldn't. (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Hmm.. (Score:2)
I'm not saying it isn't possible, what with wind currents and all, but that top speed bothers me. 360 km/h ~= 226 mph, and that's NASCAR racing speed, folks, not a paraplane. I have a hunch we may be in the presence of a typo -- 36.0km/h would be more in line with my expectations of reality.
holy glide angle, Batman! (Score:3, Interesting)
That's incredible! The article also said:
Mr Baumgartner said the plane was at 30,000 ft (9,000 m) when he jumped - and he initially reached speeds of 360 km (220 miles) per hour. For most of the freefall, he was travelling at about 220 km (135 miles) per hour, he said.
Well, that's not so incredible now. The BBC diagram [bbc.co.uk] makes things reasonably clear. 9km up 36km long, surprisingly enough gives you a path that's not that much longer than 37 km, we'll
Re:Hmm.. (Score:2)
" they were going UP at the time." (Score:2)
No, Actually it's Fartman playing with a lighter...
Oh Gosh !
8p
Re:Maverick (Score:2)
Oh my (Score:5, Funny)
This is a ricey-car reply waiting to happen
Re:Oh my (Score:4, Funny)
I bet he was wearing a yellow suit, and you KNOW there was a "Type-R" sticker somewhere!
Re:Oh my (Score:5, Funny)
Space (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Space (Score:2)
Next Logical Step: (Score:5, Funny)
2. Add pressure suit.
3. Increase altitude to 62 miles.
4. Find X-Prize team loony enough to let someone jump out the door.
...
6. Profit.
(Seriously, as an occasional skydiver/former paratrooper, this sounds like a f--king blast.)
Re:Next Logical Step: (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Next Logical Step: (Score:5, Interesting)
"On the third and last jump in Excelsior III on August 16, 1960, Captain Kittinger jumped from a height of 102,800 feet, almost 20 miles above the earth. With only the small stabilizing chute deployed, Kittinger fell for 4 minutes, 36 seconds. He experienced temperatures as low as minus 94 degrees Fahrenheit and a maximum speed of 714 miles per hour, exceeding the speed of sound. The 28-foot main parachute did not open until Kittinger reached the much thicker atmosphere at 17,500 feet. Kittinger safely landed in the New Mexico desert after a 13 minute 45 second descent. Project Excelsior successfully proved the new parachute system would solve the problem of high altitude escape by crewmen."
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/eagles/kitt-3.jp
Re:Next Logical Step: (Score:2)
Next Logical Step - Talk to Rutan (Score:2)
As for the technology being available, this was first done in 1962 by USAF Capt. Joe Kittinger [att.net].
The only element required now is to find somebody stupid enough to try it.
myke
Re:Next Logical Step: (Score:2)
Both the USAF and a small number of civilian companies are actually studying this very possibility. We may within 20 years have the technology to have astronauts fitted with strap-on components to their spacesuits that will allow them to safely return to Earth--fiery re-entry included. This will make is possible to escape the International Space Station or its successors in more dire situations.
What Officer ? (Score:5, Funny)
Did the driver know ?
"What Officer, a man strapped to the roof of the car as we went down the AutoBahn ?"
"Yes sir"
"I don't belive you, why isn't he there now"
"He dropped off over the bridge and glided over the river"
"Have you been drinking officer ?"
Blow into the bag son, blow into the bag.
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Re:Where was this guy in 1944? (Score:3, Informative)
It acutally turned into a rather big debacle as many of the gilders did not perform well, killing their soliders, and many that did operate correctly did not make the designated target, landing miles and miles away from w
That's odd (Score:2, Insightful)
Which is odd given that the guy flew from Dover to France, i.e.\ was comming from west by north-west.
Fin? (Score:5, Funny)
I forsee a day when humans will attach themselves to ever-larger winged contraptions and travel further and further with each passing year. Perhaps, some day in the far future, these "aero-planes" might be equipped with powerful "jet-engines" which would enable the intrepid pioneers of the sky to travel across the very oceans themselves. Perhaps pretzels could also be served on these voyages.
Re:Fin? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Fin? (Score:2)
>a few friends of mine are working on building a trebuchet to sling people across the Channel.
I hope you weren't practicing on Bulgarian students. [bbc.co.uk]
Re:Fin? (Score:2)
Seriously. The article says: "He wore only an aerodynamic jumpsuit with a 6-foot (1.8-metre) carbon fin strapped to his back, an oxygen tank from which to breathe, and a parachute to land." Just how does "Only" make sense in that context? Take a look at the picture [bbc.co.uk]. He's got a small house on his back!
I, for one, plan to upstage this guy by jumping across the pacific ocean with only a little bit of padding(* [keystoneaviation.com]) strapped to my ass.
Training (Score:3, Funny)
"Mr Baumgartner had prepared for three years for this flight, with rigorous training including strapping himself on to the top of a speeding Porsche."
Are we sure this isn't a Darwin Award?
Re:Training (Score:2)
"Mr Baumgartner had prepared for three years for this flight, with rigorous training including strapping himself on to the top of a speeding Porsche."
Are we sure this isn't a Darwin Award?
That usually involves death. So if he died doing this, then yes, it would qualify. Though I think he's generally been prepared and done stupid things as opposed to most of the winners who are just stupid and didn't need to prepare to do something stupid
Re:Training (Score:2)
Re:Training (Score:2)
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He's working on it.. (Score:3, Interesting)
BASE jumped off the statue of Christ in Rio [bbc.co.uk], which is 30m.
"It's the lowest base jump in the world," said jump organiser Stefan Aufschnaiter. "Normally you need 50 or 60 metres. It's extremely dangerous," he said.
As you can imagine. BASE jumping is a sport with a pretty high fatality rate.
I live in Dover (where he jumped from) and the local radio was reporting yesterday about how the coastguard were pretty pissed off with him, he hadn't checked with them first and there was a decent chance that he
The first person... (Score:2)
Re:The first person... (Score:2)
Skydiving? Riiiight..... (Score:2, Funny)
Speed reached ... ? (Score:5, Insightful)
But then again, who (here) is to notice this discrepancy.
Re:Terminal velocity (Score:4, Insightful)
also note that air pressure is lower, which causes less friction. his position is very close to a dive or 'stand-up' free-fall. I'm guessing CNN got it wrong, especially since I've seen some more sources reporting this, and all reported speeds way in excess of 200 km/h
What if they had these in the twin towers? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:What if they had these in the twin towers? (Score:2, Funny)
Oh, the realization that the total lack of aerodynamic control inherent in all regular desktop glass cover designs would mean that not only would someone end up on the sidwalk as a large wet spot, but a large wet spot with a lot of broken glass in it would be my guess.
Re:What if they had these in the twin towers? (Score:3, Informative)
Plus a glass desktop cover is going to be heavy and it don't have an airfoil to it so it's going to drop like a piece of glass and get a flutter to it.
http://response.restoration.noaa.gov/cameo/dr_a l oh a/terrain/terrain.html
"Even if air flow into New York City is relatively steady and the winds predictable, ALOHA's first assumption is not likely to be met within the city
Reminded me of... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Reminded me of... (Score:2)
Defcon jump.....pfft... (Score:2)
So? (Score:2)
Now, if someone wants to try this with only a parachute strapped to their back, then I'll agree with you that it's skydiving. All this guy did was fly across the English Channel in a really small glider that
Unaided? WTF? (Score:3, Insightful)
He's not really in free fall, it's in a glide with a wing that provides some lift and direction. Hardly seems "unaided" and in fact, his own statement above states that he's "aided" by the wing.
Still, it looks very very cool.
Leo Valentin FWIW (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Leo Valentin FWIW (Score:4, Informative)
I've heard of people falling for France... (Score:3, Funny)
If at first you don't succeed... (Score:2)
badddaaabooommm
Thank you, there will be a repeat performance at 3:00 and again at 5:00.
Seriously though, this dude is my hero. I never heard of him before this story, but strapping a wing on your back and jumping out of a plane at 30,000 feet. Damn, what a cool way to die.
That is how I wanna go out.
I am gonna be the coolest dude in heaven.
Or hell. Depending on your outlook on such things.
Wow...now I KNOW what I want for Christmas (Score:2)
Neat related article. (Score:3, Interesting)
While the photo on the BBC article shows a "backpack" with hard wings sticking out of it, the description (especially that of his legs getting tangled in the rear wings) sounds more like a "Birdman" type suit.
Popular Science did a great article on gliding/sky diving with wings featuring the Birdman suits. Read it here. [popsci.com]
This article has some good info that helps answer comments made below about diving with wings not really being free-fall, but in fact being a form of gliding.
Re:Neat related article. (Score:2)
Skip (Score:2)
I'll tell you what's remarkable about this... (Score:5, Funny)
How long did it take? (Score:2, Insightful)
from CNN:
...jumping from an aircraft above the English port of Dover and landing near Calais six minutes and 22 seconds later with crowds...
from BBC:
...leapt from a plane above Dover at 0509 BST, landing 22 miles (35 kilometres) away in Cap Blanc-Nez near Calais just 14 minutes later...
Someone made a mistake (Score:5, Informative)
BBC says:
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So what? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Oh, sure, like the French need THAT! (Score:2)
It's probably just as well he didn't get too far inland, or he might have been shot down by militant French farmers, who mistook him for 'ze cursed Rosbif!' (ie. English)... *grin*
Re:Oh, sure, like the French need THAT! (Score:2)
Threaten to take away their EU subsidies, and they'll attack just about anything.
Re:this may inspire terrorists (Score:2)
Not in Israel, though. At least, not for long, if the Israeli military have any say in the matter... *whoosh!* *BANG!*
Re:this may inspire terrorists (Score:2)