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Windows Longhorn Screenshots Available Online 502

The Fred writes "I found this website that seems to have screenshots for the next version of windows. Everything from a new start button, extended task bar, display options, .NET capability, and a bigger clock." Fair number of UI changes, some good, mostly irrelevant, but it's interesting. Wonder if it's real.
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Windows Longhorn Screenshots Available Online

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  • Mirror (Score:5, Informative)

    by AmigaAvenger ( 210519 ) on Sunday November 03, 2002 @10:10AM (#4587940) Journal
    Here's a mirror, the other one already had the screen shots yanked, by microsoft.

    TechCritic [tech-critic.com]

  • Mirrors (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Since its as slow as windows is heres the mirrors they list on the page with all the graphics (huh?) http://www.icrontic.com/modules.php?op=modload&nam e=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=112&pa ge=1 [icrontic.com]

    http://www.tech-critic.com/modules.php?name=News&f ile=article&sid=358&mode=&order=0&thol d=0 [tech-critic.com]

    but they slow as well...
    • Re:Mirrors (Score:4, Interesting)

      by frank249 ( 100528 ) on Sunday November 03, 2002 @10:17AM (#4587987)
      When you go to the Icrontic link [icrontic.com] you see:

      With the help of the folks at WiNBETA we were able to get our dirty little hands on some Windows Longhorn screenies.

      These are *legit* and actual screenshots -- no photoshop action here folks.

      This article is quoted from WiNBETA here.

      SCREENSHOTS REMOVED DUE TO MICROSOFT REQUEST


      That was fast work by Microsoft
  • by kitzilla ( 266382 ) <paperfrog@[ ]il.com ['gma' in gap]> on Sunday November 03, 2002 @10:12AM (#4587952) Homepage Journal
    ...will be useful to those trying to keep track of their .NET fees and licensing renewals.

  • by Lxy ( 80823 ) on Sunday November 03, 2002 @10:12AM (#4587954) Journal
    "In other news today, the launch of Microsoft's new conceptual OS, 'Longhorn', was brought to a screetching halt. A band of rebel hackers known only as 'slashdot' has taken measures to stop this OS from ever seeing the light of day. By using advanced DDoS techniques, the rebels have brought the server to its knees, preventing further interest from the public."
    • by Faust7 ( 314817 )
      "By using advanced DDoS techniques, the rebels have brought the server to its knees, preventing further interest from the public."

      Cute, but methinks the public would be even more interested in what they weren't allowed to see.

  • Mirrors. (Score:4, Interesting)

    by The Cydonian ( 603441 ) on Sunday November 03, 2002 @10:15AM (#4587972) Homepage Journal

    I seem to be getting the remnants of the website and it's pointing to two [icrontic.com] mirrors [tech-critic.com]. Obviously, the original website is having problems catering to slash-traffic, so it's best if you go to the other two sites instead.

    As for additions, there seem to be a funky looking clock and a program list on the side. Nice addition, if you ask me, getting sick of the Start button myself...

  • Microsoft probably won't put in any significant look and feel changes until much later in the testing program, probably someplace around beta 3. I'd say it's very likely they'll try and hold something impressive back until then, to help keep the hype machine cranking away.

    But screw it, maybe by the time Longhorn comes out, I'll be able to have gotten myself a Mac desktop and won't care about Windows. The only thing making me hope for a death of PC gaming is the fact it's the last thing really keeping the machine on my desk a Windows one.
    • Microsoft probably won't put in any significant look and feel changes until much later in the testing program, probably someplace around beta 3. I'd say it's very likely they'll try and hold something impressive back until then, to help keep the hype machine cranking away.
      Well, one thing to notice in the screenshots [tech-critic.com] is in the Sidebar thingy on the right -- it looks like they have virtual desktops! That alone, IMO, is fairly big news.
    • not to mention that UI changes are pointless anyways with modern day's customizability, who cares if the mouse cursor is big honkin billy face or the clock is bigger if they can be very simply added to older systems as well? nobody except people who think that makes their system honkin faster and preorder it because it's so cooooool. it has been pointed out earlier that these screenshots running around the net could have been pretty easily generated with windows xp, or 2k, or christs sake even with win98.

      [netsonic.fi]
      http://jussila.adsl.netsonic.fi/~glass/desktop.j pg
      an just as real prediction of mine what longhorn will look.

  • by Zeebs ( 577100 ) <rsdrew@gm[ ].com ['ail' in gap]> on Sunday November 03, 2002 @10:17AM (#4587988)
    I'll just try and save a little time for the trolls.
    1) Imagine a beowulf cluster of these.
    2) ...
    3) PROFIT!!!!!!

    w1nd0wz sUx0Rz!!!

    umm did I miss anything?
  • CNN (Score:5, Funny)

    by mr. phantastik ( 202943 ) on Sunday November 03, 2002 @10:18AM (#4587994) Homepage
    Is it just me, or is the screen just as cluttered as CNN at any given moment? I keep expecting the MS stock quote to slide accross the screen...
    • Re:CNN (Score:2, Funny)

      by Ponty ( 15710 )
      You're right as rain. All of the colors are mighty distracting (this is coming from a Mac OS X user, too.) It's like a big cartoon operating system with oversized buttons and title bars. It's like everything's been inflated, and I think it looks goofy.

      Btw, kick-ass website. Seriously.
    • I keep expecting the MS stock quote to slide accross the screen...

      'cause I'd love to see some Microsoft stock prices, leaked out many months ahead of time ; )
  • by BaconLT ( 555713 ) <spam AT tomainoonline DOT com> on Sunday November 03, 2002 @10:20AM (#4588002) Homepage
    Does anybody have the mirror of a site containing bluejeans.jpg?

    As a computer scientist, that is an interesting aspect of longhorn I'd like to investigate for it's technically stimulating intrinsic value.

  • My god... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Komrade S. ( 604620 )
    Could you guys link to the URL with the ADVERTS, rather than the frame. The poor guys have to pay for their bandwidth somehow. It even asks you to expressly do that at the bottom of the page. Cruel cruel people...
  • by Zakabog ( 603757 ) <.moc.guamj. .ta. .nhoj.> on Sunday November 03, 2002 @10:21AM (#4588012)
    I wonder what's fastest in removing content from the internet, the Slashdot effect or Microsoft.
  • Virtual desktops? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by cstrommen ( 254974 )
    It appears that Microsoft finally has seen the light, as these screenshots clearly show virtual desktops being supported (and used) directly from the the os..
    • You can get the Microsoft Virtual Desktops for Windows XP right here: http://download.microsoft.com/download/whistler/In stall/2/WXP/EN-US/DeskmanPowertoySetup.exe
    • Of course they have virtual desktops. How else would it be usable, what with all the wasted real-estate from those gargantuan dialog windows, fat vertical dock, and that ugly-ass Aqua-wannabe theme?

      Microsoft is imitating the Linux desktop, circa 1998.
  • by Buckbeak ( 591708 ) on Sunday November 03, 2002 @10:22AM (#4588018)
    Did anyone notice that in one of the screenshots Bjork is holding a camera. If she's in it, it must be a stable and secure operating system.
  • Since its as slow as windows...
    Who cares about the UI ... someone needs to do something about theses servers
    The interface looks nice, but it may be somewhat inefficent. This news isn't very important.


    Somehow, it is Slashdotted... Go figure!!!
  • clock? (Score:5, Funny)

    by Spirilis ( 3338 ) on Sunday November 03, 2002 @10:23AM (#4588024)
    "... .NET capability, and a bigger cock"
    Err, I read that WAY wrong. "Yeah, Windows Longhorn sports a bigger cock, to fuck its users harder..."
  • JWZ's Law Of Software Envelopment states that all programs expand until they can read mail.

    I posit a corollary, the Law Of GUI Envelopment: all windows will eventually be round.

    Aqua has rounded corners. Now XP does. What, do they think they sharp edges might hurt someone?
    • haha... one might also hypothesize that all windows will at some point blend transparently into one another.

      If they were round, that image looks a lot like those described by people who have had near-death experiences. All that's missing are the voices of loved ones calling the user's name.
    • they think there fits more windows to screen if they're round, since they take (possibly)less area.

      (ok you might not be able to use the desk space salvaged that way but who cares, besides than that it looks sci-fi).
    • Don't know if you ever saw OpenDoc but that allowed windows of any shape. Not just rounded corners of rectangles. It was really cool. IMHO.

      The general computing platform will eventually gat that in about 10 years.

      LoB
      • OpenDoc? Wasn't that some completely random bit of Apple internetty type technology that flew about as well as a lead penguin?

        Surely Kaleidoscope (www.kaleidoscope.net) is what you mean :) Or did I get confused about OpenDoc?

        Hmmm, I seem to remember posting something like this a few days back: it *still* looks as chunky and uninspiring as Windows always has done. I mean, come *on*! It's just so ugly. And what's with all those damn colours everywhere? Even Apple keeps window title bars neutral. Eugh.

        People who are used to Windows who design things almost invariably come up with Windows-looking things. I have yet to see a skin for Windows (or Gnome, etc, etc) that actually looks like not-windows.
  • All three of the officially listed mirrors linked from the story are either down or carrying a line "screenshots removed at microsoft's request."

    Bummer
  • Fake (Score:3, Informative)

    by FooBarWidget ( 556006 ) on Sunday November 03, 2002 @10:29AM (#4588059)
    Those screenshots are fake! Look at the name in the background.
    - "Windows Longhorn XP"? Microsoft always use names like "Windows Longhorn ".
    - Look at the expiration date. A beta that lasts for a year? Impossible.
    - "MSN Messenger 5.0" in the start menu. MSN Messenger has been renamed to Windows Messenger since WinXP!
    • "- "Windows Longhorn XP"? Microsoft always use names like "Windows Longhorn "."

      (forgot Slashdot strip HTML tags)
      What I mean is, names like "Windows [Codename] [Build ID]", such as "Windows Longhorn Build 1678578236785"

      Those screenshots just can't be real. They're true usability nightmares. An extra panel that duplicates the Start Menu's function? Totally unintuitive and confusing! Look at Windows Explorer, it's cluttered as hell. Not even Microsoft UIs can be that bad.
      • Actually, the screenshots are 100% real.
        There was even a 6-minute long movie made of the OS with HyperCapture. Don't tell me someone spent time faking that.
        And yes, betas can expire after a year, but this is an alpha, and since the whole program will last till 2004/2005, it's very normal for such a high expiration date. Alphas sometimes don't even have one.
        As for MSN 5.0, that's simply the person who had the leaked version that decided to install it, it's not part of the OS.
        Trust me, these are real.
      • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 03, 2002 @10:47AM (#4588160)
        They are fake.

        Shamelessly stolen from a post at the bottom of the tech-critic.com site:

        The screenshots are fake for the following reasons (this is XP with a custom theme and then some hacking around in an image editor)...

        For the Setup screen...

        a) In the window, horizontal bar at the top doesn't meet the right hand side.
        b) Alpha plane gone on setup icon (definitely would NOT happen to one icon and not others).
        c) This is a BIG giveaway all over the place... The current user settings have font smoothing set to anti-alias, not cleartype or none. Anti-alias text does not come into play for small fonts including 8pt (as can be seen on dektop icons, start bar, etc). However, the new bar on the right IS anti-aliasing these fonts and not only that, but it's not using font hinting (aligning the text to the nearest pixel) which is standard for cleartype or anti-aliasing... it's fake text drawn in a graphics package.

        The sidebar as startmenu screen...
        d) Looks nice, but examine the desktop images... no windows in the first one... later on they have images of the windows!

        Sidebar on the right...
        e) Where did the windows in the desktop image come from in this one ?
        f) Aren't those icons on the bar a bit big compared with the later bars?

        Display Properties screen (oh my god)...
        g) Nice text antialiasing again (hmm)
        h) 'You can change the image that appears on your windo...' ooops. Clipped that text a bit. Note this can't happen with the windows API when you have a multi-line text field (using TextOut, etc). Hmm... minor cockup
        i) Ah my windows are back in the desktop images (on the sidebar), but now the current window is bigger with a black splodge at the bottom.

        My Computer screen...
        j) Love the antialiasing on the left, but not in the middle... nice.
        k) How fake are the section buttons on the left hand side? Come on guys... you can't flip images horizontally... MS insist on a top left light source. Oh, and your button with the shadow should either have an alpha plane or not... don't do half a job... it really doens't look real.

        My Documents...
        l) Oooh, Oooh, an anti-aliased dropdown. Fake Fake Fake.

        My Pictures..
        m) Nice... what happened to Burn CD though? Have MS dropped it now they support DVD burning?
        n) Oops, you should have removed the LH.bmp from your My Pictures. Remember you only used it to create the backgroud.

        DOS Setup
        o) Love it... now your just taking the piss. How did you get the screenshot??? and the 'install Windows Longhorn 2004 using DOS 1985' is excelent. Very funny :-D
        p) The URL is superb. ROTFLMAO.

        So...

        Nice theming... love the sidebar, good use of blending in your graphics package, but FAKE FAKE FAKE.

        Great for a laugh though. :-D

        Si.
        • They could still be real. I don't believe it, but it's possible.

          1. It's a technology preview. It's not a widespread beta release - it's all internal at this stage. that means things might be uneven or rough. Don't believe me - read some old magazine reviews of the pre-beta IE4 releases with shell integration. Flip back to an old 1993 magazine (December issue of Windows Sources I think it was) and you'll find screenshots of a Windows UI that looks a little different to Windows 95 - but it was the Chicago Beta (around buld 200 or thereabouts - release/RTM of Win95 was around build 600 but they bumped it to 950 to sound cooler).

          2. They could have changed the anti aliasing capabilities of Longhorn. Oh no! My OS X 10.2 screenshots are fake, they use better antialiasing than OS 10.1 ... see my point?

          3. Yes, the sidebar doubles up on a lot of functions. How many ways can you run a program or copy a file in Windows XP? Microsoft love making it as easy (and confusing) as possible to do stuff, even if it means making it possible to do it in slightly less than a million ways.

          4. The screenshots still say Windows XP. My Windows 98 betas still said 95. My Windows Me builds said 98 in their early phase. Microsoft don't care too much about polishing things in the pre-beta/development release stage.

          5. No mention of object oriented FS. it's coming - I've had two Microsoft developers personally assure me that it's coming RSN - in the next release of Windows. So yes, fake, but I call upon different evidence for that decision.
        • by bonch ( 38532 ) on Sunday November 03, 2002 @01:15PM (#4589060)
          http://www.wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?Art icleID=27038

          Here's the Visual Style, ripped from the beta: http://plex.ike.bz/10.24.02.PlexXP.v.0.7.1.zip

          There's even a movie of Longhorn being used...the #winbeta guys have it if you want to see it. Basically, it's WinXP with a new theme ("Plex") and a new filesystem ("WinFS," which everyone turns off because apparently it eats the CPU).

          By the way:
          "c) This is a BIG giveaway all over the place... The current user settings have font smoothing set to anti-alias, not cleartype or none. Anti-alias text does not come into play for small fonts including 8pt (as can be seen on dektop icons, start bar, etc). However, the new bar on the right IS anti-aliasing these fonts and not only that, but it's not using font hinting (aligning the text to the nearest pixel) which is standard for cleartype or anti-aliasing... it's fake text drawn in a graphics package."

          Wrong--I'm running Sideshow, and it always smooths the fonts like that, whether Cleartype is on or not. I can't get to the site /. is linking to; however, the screenshots from Winbeta are REAL.

          Major changes I noticed, besides the new theme and Sideshow, is the new Display Properties dialog and a My Hardware dialog. Other than that, this look like what it is--a really early alpha leak for something not due out for another couple of years.

          This is actually somewhat old news...I've been running Sideshow on my XP box with the ripped Plex theme for a week now. Visit #winbeta sometime. Sideshow's neat once you figure out how to add new tickets.
    • Most obvious damning evidence to support your case that these shots are faked:

      From System Properties Screenshot:

      AMD Athlon(tm) Processor
      998 MHz
      512 MB of RAM

      Har.

      But seriously, though I have not spent much time in WindowsXP personally, one thing that I noticed immediately upon setting it up for clients is that more and more window space is given over to branding (mucho!) and white space, with less "real" information available.

      This trend appears to be continuing with the next Windows release, should these screenshots be legitimate. I realize that there are plenty of ways to increase the density of information displayed through window customization, but the default settings are moving more and more to the point of being devoid of actual control and content. "Hey, Joe, you're using Windows! (press okay to return to your desktop, or cancel to return to your desktop)"

      For some, I would imagine that when looking at the high-density desktop UI I enjoy, they would see it as all wrong and just a bunch of chart clutter. To each, I suppose. Mmmm, gummy. Anyway, running the interface shown in those screenshots would be close to pure hell on low-resolution displays with the scrolling and the carpal and the scrolling.
      • Re:Fake (Score:4, Interesting)

        by Reziac ( 43301 ) on Sunday November 03, 2002 @11:34AM (#4588375) Homepage Journal
        You say "one thing that I noticed immediately upon setting it up for clients is that more and more window space is given over to branding (mucho!) and white space, with less "real" information available" plus a few more quite valid observations along that line.

        Actually, this trend has been in place since IE4's Active Desktop's "web content in every window" thing. It first became the default in Win98, grew another step in Win2K, and contaged directly to WinME and XP -- but in XP it grew by an order of magnitude, to where a default display is more "Hello stupid user, you're so incompetent we'll just TELL you what you're doing and what your files are" than it is useful information. On a low-res screen, even its initial limited incarnation can waste over 75% of the screen. And in my observation, it's even MORE intimidating to newbies, because it's so visually distracting.

        The wasted screen estate, not to mention the useless clutter, makes me insane and consequently is the first thing I do away with. Funny thing: if you delve deep enough into XP's admin tools, all this clutter goes away without being told to! Gee, could it be that admin types don't have time to scroll around trying to see the rest of the screen??

        And another menu sidebar??! It reminds me of Active Desktop's "Channels" (partner advertising), and I wouldn't be surprised if this new menu sidebar eventually becomes a streaming ad host.

        M$ has said that they want to blur the distinction between Web and Desktop, and for a certainty, Active Desktop and its horrible brood do tend to look more like misplaced web pages than like useful desktop elements.

        M$'s own research indicates that most users treat Windows like a big menuing system, not as a multitasking workspace (and this unfortunately agrees with my own observation of average users), but how this justifies turning the desktop into nothing BUT a menuing system escapes me.

        Not sure what you consider "high density desktop" but mine tend to collect 30-40 icons (mostly useful, tho some are solely for decorative effect) and I think having a score of windows open at once is "normal". :)

        Oh, as to the futzy CPU speed, yesterday I was fiddling with a new linux install on a venerable K6-200, and something or other informed me that it was a "199MHz CPU". Er, well, if you say so!!

  • more (Score:5, Informative)

    by __aajelt3877 ( 160301 ) on Sunday November 03, 2002 @10:31AM (#4588068) Journal
    XBetas [xbetas.com] has some.

  • by zdzichu ( 100333 ) <zdzichu@@@irc...pl> on Sunday November 03, 2002 @10:31AM (#4588072) Homepage Journal
    Those screenshots are irrevelant. There are more important things in Longhorm - DRM. Why we don't see any DRM in action? Some "You can't play this .mp3, it's pirate" dialog?

    People got distracted by colors and icons and miss the point - where will freedom go, when this windows will be released?

    One think visible from those shots - unneeded pictures taking precious space on screen.
    • Windows XP already has DRM built in. If you use WMA, the audio passes encrypted right into the kernel, it's called the Secure Audio Path. It's so you can't record while playing and other jazz to try and get around the DRM. You need media certificates and such in order to play them.

      Of course, this doesn't apply to MP3, but that's because there's no way of telling the difference between an MP3 you ripped yourself from your own CD collection and one you downloaded.

      • This is prolly off-topic, but I think the parent post is not 100% accurate. I have not used XP or 2K w/ SP3 though.

        Current proprietary formats by MS (wma (audio), wmv (video) and asf (streamin video)) are supposed to be secure in a way because MS does not allow third-party development of players and goes after anyone programming decoders.

        Yet they are not encrypted as such (at least no heavy encryption, they have to be read by todays MS Media Player). I do not think that MS will completely revise the format, but hell...

        What I am getting at is the fact that MS themselves have provided the numero-uno tool for decoding/converting these files. Google for a prog called "graphedit.exe". This is a pretty beautiful piece of code, simple, powerful und flawless, maks you think there is no possibility of this being a MS product. With that prog you can edit the "graphs" established when playing some media. I.e. an easy one would be a video file feed being split up to the corresponding video (and audio) decoders, and from there being sent to the DirextDraw screen renderer (and the DirectSound audio renderer). By editing the graphs you can divert the datastream to go into the DivX MPEG LowMo (or whatever else) codec, and from there being dumped to disk. Result is a working a MPEG encoded conversion from the original proprietary format.

        Check for graphedit.exe, you will most likely encounter a how-to on its usage along the way.
    • Its also missing screenshots of..

      Windows telling you to activate or it will lock you out from your PC and data files.

      Passport trying to force you into registering even though you don't have to.

      The help center, Search program, and Media player all phoning home to Microsoft.

      Outlook spamming everyone in your address book as "Yet Another Virus" targets Microsofts shoddy security practices.

      Yep I think potential users should pay attention to those not so minor details before raving about how cool the new clock and wallpaper are.
    • zdzichu wrote:

      Those screenshots are irrevelant. There are more important things in Longhorm - DRM. Why we don't see any DRM in action? Some "You can't play this .mp3, it's pirate" dialog?

      People got distracted by colors and icons and miss the point - where will freedom go, when this windows will be released?

      It isn't just the DRM that worries me, even though that, its DRMOS patents, and Holling's bill is what Microsoft hopes will give it a government mandated OS monopoly.

      It isn't even the incorporation of Yukon, the file system based on SQL Server and its nuclear flaw [cdi.org].

      The scariest thing is that the Longhorn API runs on top of the .Net framework. That is what clinches it: Longhorn is Millennium [microsoft.com]!!! Longhorn will be the first platform independent MS operating system, running anywhere the .Net framework is ported to. Thanks to Mono, that should include Linux and OS X. Longhorn gives Microsoft the potential of a true 100% monopoly. Holling's bill would sign that into law.

      DRM, trusted computing, .Net, Millenium: these are not things Microsoft thought up this year. They have been planning and working on these for a long time, since at least the late 90's, if not earlier.

      The antitrust trial had the power to stop Microsoft's bid for world domination. Alas, those in government whose duty it was to meet out justice and protect the people instead chose to collaborate out of greed. That which was never to see the light of day has instead been awakened. You were warned.

      The warning came with one glimmer of hope: Millennium will not last a day. The end of its reign will be the end of Microsoft's life. Such is the decree of the one true king, who can never be assimilated, embraced, extended, nor extinguished!

      Shinoda: "The age of Millennium."
      Io: "What does that mean?"
      Shinoda: "A thousand year kingdom. It wants to create a home for itself. There is one flaw in its plan: Godzilla."
      "Godzilla 2000 Millennium" (Japanese version)

      Homage to his sacred majesty, Godzilla, the Dreaded God and King of Monsters, on the event of his forty-eighth birthday!

  • I imagine the creativity-challenged folks at KDE are rubbing their hands with glee right about now. Microsoft spends millions on UI R&D so that OSS projects can appropriate their discoveries ;-)

    Microsoft(TM) - We do the hard work so you don't have to

  • by mdb31 ( 132237 ) on Sunday November 03, 2002 @10:33AM (#4588086)
    Microsoft Lawyer #1 So, what should we do about those sites displaying unauthorized screen shots from our Intellectual Property(tm)? Some of them are not responding too well to our usual cease & desist letters...


    Microsoft Lawyer #2 Just post their URLs to Slashdot, that will take care of 'em!


    Microsoft Lawyer #1 Sweeeeet!

  • Anyone else take note of the 7th icon on the screeners? "Fix-It" heh :) Gotta love it.
  • Slashdot posts some screenshots taken from an early beta of a 'who knows when it's released, if ever'-Microsoft Operating System, and what do you think will happen?

    a) The server with the images won't receive a lot of hits through Slashdot, since no Linux user is interested in screenshots of a future Microsoft OS ("It's probably V4p0r anyway")
    b) The server gets slashdotted 3 minutes after the posting went up, because almost every user visiting the homepage of slashdot is interested in screenshots of a future Microsoft OS.

    I guessed a), but... gosh... b) is the right answer. I wonder why though.. :)
  • by IamTheRealMike ( 537420 ) on Sunday November 03, 2002 @10:39AM (#4588120)
    Come on people, wake up! Since when do MS leak betas that last a year? I remember the same thing happening with Windows XP, a truckload of faked screenshots, some obvious, some not. The XML Control Panel was a beauty.

    A few things that are clearly out of whack here - some of the screenshots have inconsistent antialiasing of text for one, which often happens when screenshots are photoshopped. The artwork is hilarious, some of the title bars have gradients but the minimize/close/restore boxes don't, making them stick out like a sore thumb.

    Why are the hard disk sizes measured in KB when everything else in Windows is megabytes? Why does some of the text overlap the borders of the containing window (an api impossibility). The last screenshot is just taking the piss totally, this version of Windows won't install on that version of DOS? That's not even trying to be real.

    Look, guys, if you want screenshots of cool new features that you know are genuine, look at the stuff the Linux teams post - if they're real you can get them soon, if they're faked they always tell you. This kind of slobbering over crude mockups gives Microsoft a bad name.

  • by FooBarWidget ( 556006 ) on Sunday November 03, 2002 @10:40AM (#4588126)
    I don't understand why people call Windows XP or Longhorn or whatever new version of Windows "userfriendly". Look at the screenshots!
    There's now some kind of sidebar which duplicates the functions of the Start menu ---> confusing to new users.
    If you open Windows Explorer and check My Computer, you get a complex screen with buttons, icons and progress bars.
    If you go to My Documents you get overloaded with options! Any new user will get confused by that!
    Not to mention all the eyecandy. Sure, it looks nice, but all those gradients and icons do is overload the user with information. New users will get confused and will have a hard time recognizing standard controls.
    The entire UI is extremely cluttered.

    The Longhorn GUI is good for advanced users, but will confuse new users! If GNOME or KDE do this, the Windows people will flame us down for creating a "hacker desktop" that's "not consistent" and "overloads the user with too much information". But if Windows does this, it's suddenly allright and called "huge improvements" or "innovation".
    I just don't get it...
  • by Xpilot ( 117961 ) on Sunday November 03, 2002 @10:41AM (#4588136) Homepage
    The actual images are at

    http://home.attbi.com/~mrwatchdawg_01/n.JPG ...where the n before the .JPG are integers from 1 to 10.

  • Wow! Multiple Desktops. Now Windows will have what my Linux box has had since I started using linux (about 5 years ago). Way to stay ahead of the technology curve there, Bill.
  • Well if it ain't broke......
  • I like Blackbox with the NYZ theme so anything that doesn't present a plain black screen is just plain ugly and busy.
  • Looks like Microsoft have 'switched'.
  • Even if we presume that these images haven't been put through Photoshop--which, as others have mentioned, seems to be in evidence--then there's still no proof, without showing some actual new functionality of Windows besides how it looks, that it's not fake.

    After all, there are a number of utilities out there already that change the look and feel of Windows. Between some of those and a program like Photoshop, one could very well produce 'screenshots' of anything one could conceive.
  • Strangely ... (Score:2, Informative)

    by js995 ( 608590 )
    The windows theme in that screenshot is availabe here [plex.ike.bz] and curiously, the author says he didnt use screenshots to create it ...
    perhaps this adds some weight to the argument that the screenshots are from a skinned xp ...
  • There had better be a "classic mode" setting... having the UI take up 50% of the desktop is *lame*
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 03, 2002 @11:41AM (#4588415)
    Several people have said that these "screen shots" are obvious Photoshop, and so "fake".

    But, perhaps they are "real" UI design concepts? After all, when you design a UI like this, you let the "designers" play with pictures before rendering it all into code... Just like web design...
  • Did anyone else think WM+OSX when they saw those screen shots?

    And don't they have "user interface designers" or somesuch there? Those colors are icky, not to mention all those differing window styles are confusing!
  • My, that looks a lot like Lycoris! :)
  • The Microsoft reference releases are unstable enough, why the hell would you want to use a BETA?
    Oh, so if it crashes, you can just say "hey, it's a beta" or something, right? :P
  • There's gotta be a nice easter-egg in there saying thanks to all the folks in the Bush administration for all their hard work in getting the DOJ CAVING IN. ;/

    Maybe the name "Longhorn" is their tribute, Texas Longhorn is the only "Longhorn" I've heard of.....

    Didn't the Texas Longhorns eventually lose out to the current breed because the current breed MATURED quicker? Humm, Linux( the current breed ) and Windows( Longhorn ). Time for history to repeat itself IMHO. :)

    LoB
  • by obi ( 118631 )
    I would define myself as an advanced user, and am using win2k and linux on a daily basis. Because I'm almost running Linux full time, I haven't really felt the need to upgrade to XP, which probably accounts for my unfamilliarity with the new "Luna" UI.

    But seeing this almost makes me want to puke. Even though I've been using computers for decades, I wouldn't know where to begin in this UI. There seems to be redundancy all over the place, modes galore, and they seem to show/hide certain tasks/apps/files/settings/menu options completely at random.

    I have to admit, maybe if I used it I would like it a bit better. But if I feel "overwhelmed" just by looking at one of the screenshots, how should a newbie user feel. (I seem to remember that when doing usability testing, they ask the subject to first look at the screen without touching anything, and then ask them what they think everything is for)

    In contrast, Gnome2 seems to be moving in the right direction by simplifying ("make the simple things easy, the hard ones possible") and unifying as much as possible.

    Same thing with MacOS: while the first releases of MacOSX were a step back in usability, they've been repairing the damage with the latest release. At the same time it's a good example of how unification really should work (see the iChat, iSync, iCal, Addressbook, Mail, iTunes integration)

    Longhorn and XP seem to like confusion: let's do everything in all the ways everyone in the world might want, and stuff it in one interface. And let's do it all at thesame time too.

    the Horror!

  • I heard a rumor (just that -- I don't have any verification) that M$ was planning to make Longhorn the first OS that wasn't paid for all upfront -- that M$ wanted monthly revenue like AOL. The (questionable) source told me the plans were to make Longhorn work on a monthly fee basis.

    Has anyone heard anything about this? I'm not trying to start a rumor -- I'm trying to find out if this one is (as I would expect) ungrounded.
  • Fake Fake Fake :) (Score:5, Interesting)

    by dark-br ( 473115 ) on Sunday November 03, 2002 @01:56PM (#4589314) Homepage
    The screenshots are fake for the following reasons (this is XP with a custom theme and then some hacking around in an image editor)...

    For the Setup screen...

    a) In the window, horizontal bar at the top doesn't meet the right hand side.
    b) Alpha plane gone on setup icon (definitely would NOT happen to one icon and not others).
    c) This is a BIG giveaway all over the place... The current user settings have font smoothing set to anti-alias, not cleartype or none. Anti-alias text does not come into play for small fonts including 8pt (as can be seen on dektop icons, start bar, etc). However, the new bar on the right IS anti-aliasing these fonts and not only that, but it's not using font hinting (aligning the text to the nearest pixel) which is standard for cleartype or anti-aliasing... it's fake text drawn in a graphics package.

    The sidebar as startmenu screen...
    d) Looks nice, but examine the desktop images... no windows in the first one... later on they have images of the windows!

    Sidebar on the right...
    e) Where did the windows in the desktop image come from in this one ?
    f) Aren't those icons on the bar a bit big compared with the later bars?

    Display Properties screen (oh my god)...
    g) Nice text antialiasing again (hmm)
    h) 'You can change the image that appears on your windo...' ooops. Clipped that text a bit. Note this can't happen with the windows API when you have a multi-line text field (using TextOut, etc). Hmm... minor cockup
    i) Ah my windows are back in the desktop images (on the sidebar), but now the current window is bigger with a black splodge at the bottom.

    My Computer screen...
    j) Love the antialiasing on the left, but not in the middle... nice.
    k) How fake are the section buttons on the left hand side? Come on guys... you can't flip images horizontally... MS insist on a top left light source. Oh, and your button with the shadow should either have an alpha plane or not... don't do half a job... it really doens't look real.

    My Documents...
    l) Oooh, Oooh, an anti-aliased dropdown. Fake Fake Fake.

    My Pictures..
    m) Nice... what happened to Burn CD though? Have MS dropped it now they support DVD burning?
    n) Oops, you should have removed the LH.bmp from your My Pictures. Remember you only used it to create the backgroud.

    DOS Setup
    o) Love it... now your just taking the piss. How did you get the screenshot??? and the 'install Windows Longhorn 2004 using DOS 1985' is excelent. Very funny :-D
    p) The URL is superb. ROTFLMAO.

    So...

    Nice theming... love the sidebar, good use of blending in your graphics package, but FAKE FAKE FAKE.

    Great for a laugh though. :-D
  • by GnomeKing ( 564248 ) on Sunday November 03, 2002 @05:37PM (#4590580)
    www.beginners.org.uk/LH3683PreviewLong-WiNBETA.avi

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