ABC's 'People of the Year' - Bloggers 331
Sammy at Palm Addict writes "ABC News have declared Bloggers to be their 'People of the Year'. 'A blog - short for "web log" - is an online personal journal that covers topics ranging from daily life to technology to culture to the arts. Blogs have made such an impact this year that Merriam-Webster named it the word of the year. This week, their influence has become readily apparent.'"
I'm so honored! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I'm so honored! (Score:4, Funny)
Re:I'm so honored! (Score:5, Funny)
Mood: Depressed
Music: Black Tape For A Blue Girl
[pump up my ego] - [read other people pumping up my ego]
This is a much better selection than 1998 (Score:5, Funny)
I didn't prepare a speech, but.... (Score:2, Funny)
And you're just noticing now? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:And you're just noticing now? (Score:5, Interesting)
Still, I go there quite often just because the links are sometimes pretty interesting.
Re:And you're just noticing now? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:And you're just noticing now? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:And you're just noticing now? (Score:2)
A Zen question... (Score:5, Funny)
If a blog is updated and nobody reads it, does it actually matter?
Re:A Zen question... (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:A Zen question... (Score:2)
Re:A Zen question... (Score:2)
AND (for post above) we've been together almost 3 years now.
Re:A Zen question... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:A Zen question... (Score:2, Interesting)
Hey. I like schadenfreude as much as the next guy.
Re:A Zen question... (Score:2)
o_O Not to be confused with... (Score:2, Funny)
Yeah, that kind of thing matters so much we should give it a special kind of award.
Wait a second...
Who are the real bloggers anyway? (Score:4, Insightful)
Who or what will determine if your blog does matter? Page hits? Comments? Flames?
I guess it's all a popularity thing to me.
Re:Who are the real bloggers anyway? (Score:2)
In other words... (Score:3, Insightful)
Like all influencial Internet movements... (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Like all influencial Internet movements... (Score:5, Insightful)
Blogs are infinitely more successful than Kuro5hin and the K5ers are going to stamp their feeties and hold their breath until they turn blue!
Kuro5hin: News for losers. People who don't matter.
Re:Like all influencial Internet movements... (Score:2)
Re:Like all influencial Internet movements... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Like all influencial Internet movements... (Score:2)
Re:Like all influencial Internet movements... (Score:2)
Re:Like all influencial Internet movements... (Score:4, Insightful)
No, Slashdot is still good at digging up interesting geeky stories. And even now the comment threads still turn up good points and worthwhile discussions.
The real difference between Slashdot and blogs is that there are millions of blogs. About half of them are complete crap, and 99% of the rest are only of interest to the author and a small handful of other people. But that still leaves tens of thousands of good, interesting blogs.
Slashdot is good. Blogs are good too. Hey, Usenet is good, and I've been on Usenet for 20 years. Good things don't fade away when something new arrives on the scene, but they do settle down into their own particular niche. Television hasn't killed movies or radio or newspapers, but it has reduced them somewhat. So with Slashdot - it will continue to prosper, but its relative influence will probably diminish.
Kuro5hin, on the other hand, is for weenies.
No, no we're not. (Score:5, Insightful)
Face it, 99% of all the blog material out there is shit (my own included). We need better blogging out there, not more of it!
They should have held up one or two exemplary examples of blogging done right - good content and timley information (and a lack of words like "dat", "ur", "OMG", "LOL", and "ROFLMAO")
<John Stewart>
Stop, please stop butchering language. You're hurting our vocabulary and you make yourself sound stupid
</John Stewart>
Re:No, no we're not. (Score:2, Interesting)
This is why editors are valuable.
Re:No, no we're not. (Score:3, Funny)
I need that as a bumper sticker.
Re:No, no we're not. (Score:2)
When the web first started to get popular, my home page said "99% of the internet is crap, but that 99% is different for each person." I believe this is still true and is easily applied to blogs. My own blog, The Moderate Fringe [vamos-wentworth.org] is crap to 99% of th
Re:No, no we're not. (Score:3, Insightful)
Well, assuming that the quality of blogs is a bell curve, then more blogs means we get more quality blogs -- they're just harder to find. What I think we really need in a better way of finding the worthwhile blogs.
-Colin [colingregorypalmer.net]
Re:No, no we're not. (Score:4, Insightful)
You mean, like, instead of holding up our buddy Howard "YEEEEEEEEEAAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHH!" Dean (who, according to Dave Barry [washingtonpost.com], is most famous for "making a sound like a hog being castrated with a fondue fork"), they could have mentioned, oh, I dunno...
The people who broke Rathergate [powerlineblog.com], maybe? A marketing guy in DC who dug up a forensics document expert [indcjournal.com] or Charles Johnson [littlegreenfootballs.com] and his famous reproduction of the faked memos [littlegreenfootballs.com]?
How about Glenn Reynolds [instapundit.com]? Or Moulitsas Zúniga [dailykos.com]? Who really rallied the troops this election season?
Howard Dean??
What about some of the many [blogspot.com] Iraqi [blogspot.com] blogs [roadofanation.com] - written by, you know, people on the ground, as it were? How about Spirit of America's Arabic blogging tool [spiritofamerica.net], and the bloggers who took [indepundit.com] the the [typepad.com] challenge [spiritofamerica.net] to raise money for it?
There's a lot more going on out there than ABC is reporting.
Meaningless award.... (Score:3, Interesting)
Kjella
Give me a break.... (Score:2, Interesting)
How about soliders, researchers, volunteers, or teachers?!
How true... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:How true... (Score:2)
Re:How true... (Score:2)
They gave some props to commercial blogs, but for the most part it looked like they were talking about Joe Bob Blog instead of the corporate (ie wonkette.com) blogs.
Re:Give me a break.... (Score:3, Informative)
Oh silly me (Score:2, Funny)
Glad they clarified that.
PS: HAPPY NEW YEAR!
Re:Oh silly me (Score:2, Funny)
Phew! I misread that article title... (Score:2)
Those who can, do. Those who can't, blog. (Score:3, Funny)
"All these people keep bemoaning the fact that they can't communicate. If they can't communicate, the least they can do is SHUT UP." -- Tom Lerher
Sammy at Palm Addict? (Score:2)
the meaning of blog (Score:2, Insightful)
Blogs are growing - and? (Score:2, Insightful)
Meanwhile (Score:5, Interesting)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6773907/ [msn.com]
Other previous hated words:
metrosexual (2003) -- although it made a funny South Park plot
chad (2001) -- the little piece of paper that chose our President
paradigm (1994) -- sadly, still used in 99% of business presentations
- JoeShmoe
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Re:Meanwhile (Score:2)
Re:Meanwhile (Score:2)
"Group members act as "linguistic sounding boards," said John Shibley, co-compiler of the list."
John Shibley has just informed us that he is not a linguist.
Re:What? Chad? (Score:3, Funny)
Not every word needs an abbreviation.
Although "abbreviation" could sure use one.
-JoeShmoe
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Interesting quote... (Score:3, Interesting)
"videoblogger?" great, another buzzword. I wonder what her "videoblog" is about - what 11 year old girls really like? Oh brother, that oughta be a hoot.
A chick named "Dylan?" Now that's a new one!
But *that* is something that Time considered worthy of "People of the Year?" An 11 year old with a video camera talking about what she likes? (they failed to link to the blog, though)
There are so many other people that are far more deserving of the title than effin *Bloggers* - blah.
Whoops, hit "Submit" too soon.. (Score:4, Insightful)
"On my blog it allows people to post comments, and I have gotten comment upon comment upon comment," she said. "It makes me feel really good that somebody else cares about what I have to say."
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That pretty much sums it up - blogging for a feeling of self importance. Blogging turns people into serious attention whores. People start getting upset when nobody comments on their blog.
No wonder we're now seeing t-shirts that say "Go cry about it in your Livejournal."
Re:Whoops, hit "Submit" too soon.. (Score:2)
Yeesh. Pot. Kettle. Beam in thine own eye. Whatever.
Re:Whoops, hit "Submit" too soon.. (Score:2)
And so what? I'll admit that I'm an attention whore on my own blog [colingregorypalmer.net] (notice the attention whoring link) but I'm not making you click the link and read it. If people have a place to vent their thoughts and feel like they matter, what's the problem?
Re:Whoops, hit "Submit" too soon.. (Score:2)
I just get mad when it turns into Googleclutter.
"Go cry about it in your Livejournal" stuff (Score:2)
BUT - they say "on hiatus" right now. Grrr....
Re:Whoops, hit "Submit" too soon.. (Score:2)
Ask Slashdot: OSS Blogs on your own domain (Score:3, Interesting)
Happy New Year
Re:Ask Slashdot: OSS Blogs on your own domain (Score:2)
Are there any open source packages that I should check out? I've got experience with PHP.
I like Personal Weblog [kyne.com.au]. Lightweight, simple, doesn't get in the way.
JP
Blog Defined (Score:3, Insightful)
Did we really need 'blog' defined in the blurb? This is Slashdot after all...
~Lake
The Effect of a Content Management System? (Score:5, Interesting)
So here we are in 2004, where blogers are now "people of the year" and when we look back at what's changed, it's almost nothing except for one thing: content management systems. You give people Frontpage or Dreamweaver, and they'll put out a poorly done site that's too complex for them to convienently update, but all of a sudden the simple blog-style of content management is introduced, and all of a sudden that vision of voices around the world is coming true. Was this the only thing we were missing the whole damn time?
I'm finding myself slightly stupified at the prospect that the only think keeping this vision from coming true is that we needed to take away the ability for users to make their own site, and then make the whole thing a little easier to update. We still have things like blogs about cats, so I'm not sure the content has become any better, but was this really all the user really needed? It boggles the mind.
Re:The Effect of a Content Management System? (Score:3, Insightful)
Interestingly enough, it is this characteristic that Jakob Nielsen has been harping on about for yea
Re:The Effect of a Content Management System? (Score:2, Funny)
Did you mean bloggles? Or wait, was that googles...
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Kevin Sites (Score:4, Interesting)
Reason for Bloggers winning... (Score:2, Insightful)
I cite two reasons for this:
1. Conservative blogs spread the message of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth "527" group far beyond what was possible in the past. I mean let's face it: because most media outlets ignored this 527 group, it took the power of conservative blogs to spread the message, along with conservative radio talk shows and the Fox News Channel. Of course, it didn't help the Kerry
MEOW! (Score:2)
Hype (Score:2)
Who cares about blogs (Score:2, Insightful)
I'm an engineer and work with a bunch on technically savy people. I know of one one person who commonly reads blogs. He is a ultra conservative, very religious, weirdo who uses blogs as a way to confirm his own beliefs. Other than that cares.
Most of them are crap. The only ones I've ever come upon that are even a bit worthwhile are ones where people log cool techno projects. These aren't any different than written descriptions that have been on the web since it s
In other news, people hate the word `blog' ... (Score:2)
'You're fired!' on hit list in word ban campaign [msn.com]
(`blog' is on the list too. And rightfully so. In fact, it should be at the top of the list!)
(Not that I'd try to `ban' a word, but I *do* hate it. Almost as much as `surf' for clicking on web pages.)
Every time I get a swelled head, I look at my logs (Score:2)
Carrot Top shirtless! Someone's gotta get a life.
Google also sent a lot of traffic my way because of an entry I had which debunked a popular picture of a tanker s
Old News - Move Along Now (Score:2)
The PowerLineBlog [powerlineblog.com] was chosen by Time Magazine as "Blog of the Year" [yahoo.com] perhaps in no small part due to PowerLine being a clearing house for Dan RaTHer's education about MS Word vs Typewriters [mac.com]
Perhaps like other less-frequent Slashdot readers, I am puzzled why anyone would want to $ub$cribe to $la$dot ;-);-);-) [slashdot.org] given that Sla
Perhaps I'm just confused... (Score:4, Interesting)
As for blogging in and of itself, why could it be considered bad? If Xanga allows for these types of issues, perhaps the creators of Xanga need to be blamed, not the trend of blogging. Blogging can be such an interesting look into the lives of others. Some of you are so far into nerddom that you are antisocial and don't care what others think. That's fine. There's nothing wrong with that. But those of us that are curious about other people, or... God forbid... outgoing or extroverted, blogs let us see what's on the other side... the other side of the bridge, the city, the state or the world. How can this ever be a bad thing?
Yes, yes... almost everyone that comes to this site knows what a blog is. Maybe somebody doesn't. Maybe they are a neo-nerd, fresh to the community. Are you ACTUALLY offended that the term was described in a quote on the front page? Seriously... some people need to get over themselves. There are plenty of things that occur, are said or are shown on the internet that I feel are ignorant or ill-advised. But generally (this post, of course, being an exception), I just let it go.
It's sad really...
Blogs have no journalistic integrity (Score:2, Insightful)
Bloggers can post anything they want, w/o refutation, or consequence (barring libel suit, natch)-- there's no way to proximally refute a blog's BS. Journalists, at least, are held to some standard, and their outlets -- papers, magazines, networks, have to at least occasionally genuflect at the altar of veracity. A journalist who lies and is caught becomes unemployed; not so the blogge
This is a deliberate set-up, right? (Score:3, Insightful)
Nonsense.
Deliberate lies, misrepresentation and lies by omission happen every single
Bogger's biggest kill, and no one has mentioned it (Score:3, Informative)
I'm sure you'll all remember that a week or two before the election, Dan Rather went on 60 minutes with a story about how Bush allegedly got special treatment when he was in the air national guard. To prove this, CBS posted PDF's of supporting memos, 'from' the 70's, on their website.
Within hours, someone mentioned on freerepublic that the documents looked like they came from microsoft word.
Over the 12 hours, Littlegreenfootballs.com [littlegreenfootballs.com] , with the help of powerlineblog.com blew the lid off the story.
Here's a detailed analysis later put together by a guy who pretty much wrote the book on computer typesetting: Dr. Newcomer [mac.com]
Bloggers showed that CBS had aired a story based on piss-poor forgeries made with MS Word 2003 default settings within hours, and then let so many people know about it so rapidly that there was no turning back for Rather and 60 minutes. His retirement this spring was announced within a month of this fiasco, IIRC.
Now, regardless of what you happen to think of Bush (Dr. Newcomer was a Kerry fan), basing a story on fabricated evidence is inexcusable. Basing it on such obvious forgeries is beyond inexcusable, and reaches into incredibly stupidity.
Bloggers busted 60 minutes on this. Huge story. And I'm suprised I'm the first one posting it.
Don't forget Poweline, the Blog of the Year (Score:3, Informative)
Congratulations to Hindrocket, The Big Trunk, and Deacon for producing such an excellent blog.
Dear blog haters... (A short manifesto) (Score:5, Insightful)
Now, here are the givens that too many Slashdotters won't admit to:
You want to tell me you popped out of your mother's womb and started coding Perl before you could crawl? Please. We have all ascended a tech learning curve -- and the smart ones are continually looking for new ones to climb. Blogging is in its infancy in terms of both form and tools -- it will evolve for the same reasons you're not still coding COBOL -- people, left to themselves, will find increasinly efficient ways to communicate and transmit information.
But you know what? That big issue of finding a community of one's own isn't limited to geeks -- it's indicative of the prevasive loneliness that may be one of the most dominant characteristics of modern, first-world society.
And blogs have had a huge impact on that.
Today, there are thousands (perhaps millions) of interconnected online communities centered around blogs. No, they're not running FUDforum or other bulletin board software, but they still fit the core definitions of a community, whether online or off. Millions of people are learning more about how the internet works and information that was isolated is increasingly communal and (wait for it, RMS...) free.How can that be a bad thing?
Bloggers are "People of the Year"?! (Score:5, Insightful)
We'd like to thank the Academy (Score:2)
A word even worse than "blog" (Score:3, Funny)
A list of some interesting blogs (Score:3, Interesting)
* Reusable Launch Vehicle (RLV) News [hobbyspace.com]: The most thorough spaceflight blog around, focusing on reusable systems.
* NASA Watch [nasawatch.com]: A well-known site with regular critiques of NASA.
* Free Republic [freerepublic.com]: Like slashdot, but for ultra-conservatives. I sometimes like to go there to get a better understanding of what goes through the heads of people who think differently from me.
* Alan Boyle's Cosmic Log [msn.com]: "Quantum fluctuations in space, science, and exploration"
* Democratic Underground [democratic...ground.com]: The extreme left's version of Free Republic.
* Instapundit [instapundit.com]: The slashdot-equivalent of political weblogging, with a somewhat libertarian slant. Known for causing "Instalanches" on innocent web servers, analogous to "Slashdottings."
* Daily Kos [dailykos.com]: Probably the most influential liberal blog.
* Transterrestrial Musings [transterrestrial.com]: a libertarian space analyst who helped me understand why it's possible to be intelligent and support the war in Iraq at the same time. He sometimes posts some fantastic satires.
* theferrett's livejournal [livejournal.com]: sometimes writes some very insightful and well-composed essays
* spacexploration livejournal community [livejournal.com]: Space-related miscellany and discussion.
* politicsforum livejournal community [livejournal.com]: Sometimes has some pretty intelligent political discussion.
* robots.net [robots.net]: Robotics news
* Space Politics [spacepolitics.com]: "Because sometimes the most important orbit is the Beltway"
* Rocket Man Blog [rocketmanblog.com]: Rarely updated, but has very insightful and informed analysis of spaceflight and rocketry.
* Howard Lovy's NanoBot [blogspot.com]: Nanotechnology news and commentary
Related news... (Score:2)
Story here [msn.com]
Jerry Pournelle started it (Score:3, Insightful)
http://www.jerrypournelle.com/#blog [jerrypournelle.com]
Re:Jerry Pournelle started it (Score:4, Informative)
http://www.jerrypournelle.com/archives/archivesvi
The date is June 4 1998. This is not the day of the first content on his site, and he had already been creating content for BYTE magazine for many years before this, but it's a sample of his archive.
He also has reader mail from back then.
http://www.jerrypournelle.com/ancient/mail1.htm [jerrypournelle.com]
Iraq says it all. . . (Score:3, Insightful)
The whole thing stunk to high heaven and nearly everybody bought it because they had been trained to believe that the talking heads on TV were smart and wise and good rather than being a bunch of state-owned propaganda dupes. -Amazingly, this was all largely done in the same style of tactical manipulation employed by other great psychopathic power mongers throughout history.
And the Big Media pushed and sold this bullshit. 'Freedom Fries', anybody? (Does everybody still hate the French for not being as gullible? Nobody likes to be shown up as stupid after the fact, so I bet most people do still hate the French.)
Anyway, my point is. .
The ONLY place I was seeing the opposing message in any force during those horrible 'watching a train-wreck in slow-motion' days was on the Web, --primarily through individuals posting their views and research on simple web-pages and discussion groups. Like Slashdot.
-FL
blog == over-rated (Score:5, Insightful)
All those asshats can keep modding me down if they're so insecure but I'll still classify blogging as THE MOST OVER-RATED CONCEPT OF ALL TIME.
Mod that man up (Score:4, Interesting)
Even worse is when it's the same "Trackback" crap, and none of the morons have bothered to retain the original article they were linked to, and it's link rotted.
Blogs *are* the most over-rated and overhyped thing of 2004.
Re:Mod that man up (Score:2)
Here's a copy of Debian, kid. Go write your own search engine.
Re:Mod that man up (Score:2)
"http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Dell+Best
Now is that useful? No, it's not. it's GoogleClutter.
Re:blog == over-rated (Score:2)
Moll.
Re:blog == over-rated (Score:2)
I'm sorry, we have to take your car away from you now.
Oh, and your body. This won't hurt a bit.
All those asshats can keep modding me down if they're so insecure but I'll still classify blogging as THE MOST OVER-RATED CONCEPT OF ALL TIME.
You're what? Fourteen?
This will fly right over your head, but I'll say it anyway: CB radio.
Aaaaaanyway, a blog is just one (convenient) way to organise a web site. Blogs will sp
Hard blogging (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Hard blogging (Score:4, Insightful)
* The sheer number of blogs that I've read where the blogger repeats something like "we're really changing the world here!" makes me say this. I don't believe they're changing the world much at all, unless they do something particularly special. And I don't know of one blogging event that has been of any significance(don't even mention the Rather thing -- he was an ineffectual, empty, shitty television personality, and he'll be replaced by an equally ineffectual, empty, shitty television personality). Really all they're doing is linking information and adding their own shitty opinion through spin on the story. And then everyone who shares the blog's fundamentalism gather and make comments to each other that can best be described as intellectual fellatio(they'll get blue balls if they don't settle the hard-on the original posting gave them).
But apart from my rants, I'm happy with seeing this proliferation of blogging in the public sphere. Bloggers as a whole being given awards. "Blog" the number one word. One million and one blogs. This proliferation can only mean one thing: its total move into banality. The media of the masses is always banal: it pretends to capture much, but it has far too little to do so. The proliferation will be blogging's own argumentum ad absurdum against it.
Re: It's a journal (Score:2)
Re:well... (Score:3, Insightful)
(That's the number of times you say a person's name after "fuck you" during the year, as in "look at this fucking weak dollar. Fuck you, Bush". Or "Damn, Joe's unit got hit by a suicide bomber and Joe's not coming back. Joe was a good guy. Fuck you, Bush.")
Re:well... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Yes, completely apparant. (Score:5, Insightful)
My personal agenda hasn't gained ground. Therefore blogs aren't working.
Re:Yes, completely apparant. (Score:2)