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Resolving Everything: VeriSign Adds Wildcards
from the gotcha dept.
"(VeriSign is a company which purchased Network Solutions, another company which was given the task by the US government of running the .COM and .NET top-level domains (TLDs). VeriSign has been exploiting the Internet's DNS infrastructure ever since.)
This will have the immediate effect of making network trouble-shooting much more difficult. Before, a mis-typed domain name in an email address, web browser, or other network configuration item would result in an obvious error message. You might not have known what to do about it, but at least you knew something was wrong. Now, though, you will have to guess. Every time.
Some have pointed out that this will make an important anti-spam check impossible. A common anti-spam measure is to check and make sure the domain name of the sender really exists. (While this is easy to force, every little bit helps.) Since all .COM and .NET domain names now exist, that anti-spam check is useless.
VeriSign has published white papers about their implementation and also made some recommendations."
wonder of wonders (Score:5, Interesting)
(http://jrw.sphinx.org/)
search page that comes up at the
verisign site to search for "register" we find at the top of the
list a link to networksolutions.com (a verisign company). we also
note that searching for the same word at google [google.com]
does not result in that site being present in at least the first four pages of results.
yeah - thats a real useful search tool verisign has there - thanks so much.
Re:wonder of wonders (Score:5, Informative)
(Last Journal: Wednesday August 25 2004, @05:55PM)
Re:wonder of wonders (Score:5, Informative)
Stewey
Contact ICANN comments@icann.org (Score:5, Insightful)
Already discussed on the ICANN/GNSO mailing list (Score:5, Informative)
(http://www.trilithium.com/johan/)
Complaint Form ICANN (Score:5, Informative)
To quote from the site in question:
Although ICANN's limited technical mission does not include resolving individual customer-service complaints, ICANN does monitor such complaints to discern trends.
Let your voices be heard!
Complaint submitted - the text (Score:5, Informative)
(http://www.eruvia.org/)
Re:Contact ICANN comments@icann.org (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://www.tombstone...in/index.cgi?page=56)
No, this is receiving feedback from the affected administrators, engineers and other interested persons; said feedback hopefully leading ICANN to do the give Verisign a short, sharp lesson in "WHOA!".
You know, the job that they are supposed to be doing and all that kind of thing.
Re:Contact ICANN comments@icann.org (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://www.taupehat.com/ | Last Journal: Monday July 17 2006, @07:24PM)
ICANN is responsible for, among other things, ensuring that it's registrars perform their duties properly. If an issue such as this one crops up, and the
Face it - sometimes, being responsible for a little thing like the internet can be a bitch. Most of us do have to deal with inane crap as a part of our daily grind, although I admit that getting 20,000 emails suggesting I view a goatsex link in a single day would probably be unusual for me at least. But at least ICANN has said outright that they aren't going to read all of them
Waste of time (Score:5, Informative)
(Last Journal: Tuesday September 24 2002, @02:32AM)
How do you fix this problem? DON'T USE THE ICANN ROOT SERVERS. Easy as that.
Plug: OpenNIC (for ICANN users) [unrated.net] and OpenNIC (for OpenNIC (and its peers) users) [opennic.glue]
Re:Waste of time (Score:4, Informative)
(Last Journal: Tuesday September 24 2002, @02:32AM)
Boycott Thawte (Verisign's SSL subsidiary) (Score:5, Interesting)
If you have SSL certificates from Thawte [thawte.com] (a subsidiary of Verisign), you can send them a message today.
Email your Thawte rep to explain why you or, better yet, your huge organization :) won't be renewing your certificates with Thawte.
You can tell them "it's a trust thing" (their own motto).
Re:Boycott Thawte (Verisign's SSL subsidiary) (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://slashdot.org/)
Superb idea, ajks. Have a cookie (or a certificate).
Here's a form-letter version of the email I'm about to shoot off to our rep, the delightful(!) Barbara:
We're a small company: but even in our case, [x] and [y] are are 10 and 3000 respectively. It won't take that many to make a sizeable hole in Thawte's pockets.
Re:wonder of wonders (Score:5, Funny)
Re:wonder of wonders (Score:5, Interesting)
(http://slashdot.org/ | Last Journal: Saturday August 18 2001, @10:19PM)
Hmm, cross-site scripting. Seems harmless enough, but I wonder if VeriSign stores anything important in the verisign.com cookie...
Re:wonder of wonders (Score:5, Funny)
http://www.veirsign.com [veirsign.com]
Looks like someone beat them at their own game.
Re:wonder of wonders (Score:5, Funny)
(http://archive.org/)
Complain to ICANN *NOW* (Score:5, Informative)
comments@icann.org
Re:Complain to ICANN *NOW* (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://tuba.hopto.org:8880/wordpress | Last Journal: Saturday July 05 2003, @02:10AM)
Complain to Verisign as well (Score:5, Interesting)
authenticode-support@verisign.com,
billing@ver
channel-partners@verisign.com,
client
consultingsolutions@verisign.co
dbms-support@verisign.com,
dcpolicy@verisign.
digitalbranding@verisign.com,
dnssales@veris
enterprise-pkisupport@verisign.com,
ent
info@verisign-gr
internetsales@verisign.com,
IR@verisign.c
jobs@verisign.com,
mss@verisign.com,
object
paymentsales@verisi
practices@verisign.com,
premiersupport@n
press@verisign.com,
privacy
renewal@verisign.com,
sup
verisales@verisign.com,
vps-s
vts-csrgroup@verisign.com,
webhelp@verisign.com,
websitesupport@verisi
Re:Complain to ICANN *NOW* (Score:5, Interesting)
Verisign has continually been abusing the power that has been handed out to them. Two such examples are its mailing of false renewal notices, and its most recent exploit: sitefinder.verisign.com. Now, nearly all mistyped names will be sent to Verisign where they can do whatever they like to the unwitting user. There are even categories on sitefinder.verisign.com where one can browse and go to sites which are undoubtedly paying Verisign for the space.
Please take this, and the hundreds or thousands of e-mails you will receive, into consideration, and exercise the power that ICANN has. Verisign has continually been abusing and tricking people through deceptive business practices, and this should be the last straw. Verisign should not only be removed from it's post, but it should also be fined for its numerous escapades designed to make money.
Sincerely,
Michael B****
I've got to wonder: where do they come up with such evil ideas? Verisign must have a beowulf cluster of insensitive clods...
Re:wonder of wonders (Score:5, Interesting)
Now, I'm not suggesting anybody do this, I'm just asking the question.
Re:wonder of wonders (Score:4, Informative)
(http://jimmysquid.com/ | Last Journal: Saturday January 19 2002, @01:00AM)
First, Verisign put an exclude: / in their robots.txt.
Second, do you really think Google doesn't know how to handle wildcards by now? Think about it for a second. Even Slashdot has a wildcard - anything dot slashdot.org goes to the homepage. Does Google index Slashdot an infinite amount of times? Of course not. Why should it be different for anything dot com?
Re:wonder of wonders (Score:4, Insightful)
(http://jimmysquid.com/ | Last Journal: Saturday January 19 2002, @01:00AM)
Re:wonder of wonders (Score:4, Informative)
(http://samwyse.suprglu.com/ | Last Journal: Wednesday December 06 2006, @11:22PM)
And you can't ignore domains that resolve to identical addresses. Virtual web servers share the same address with different domain names. The web server uses the name to decide which set of web pages to serve up.
Re:wonder of wonders (Score:5, Informative)
(http://www.omegasphere.net/)
Google caches IP info a good deal longer than is specified by TTL and such, and a lot of other fancy bandwidth reducing (but frustrating) tricks). Its known by people who pay a lot of attention to google, based on observations. Many people have good reason to pay attention to google - they make their living from the traffic they get from google.
joy (Score:5, Insightful)
(Last Journal: Friday August 19 2005, @05:44PM)
Re:Seeeing the future (Score:4, Insightful)
(http://www.virtualmin.com/)
This was likely one of the primary motivations for this maneuver...to encourage formerly unnecessary registrations.
I've never registered mispellings of my companies domains, and the thought never even crossed my mind until now. I'm sure the crooks at Verisign saw this angle, in addition to the tons of free eyeballs.
Re:This is a bitch (Score:5, Informative)
(http://samspade.org/)
Those spam-catching tools work by doing a reverse-dns lookup of the IP address that is trying to send the mail. This is different than doing a "forward"-dns lookup.
Not so.
A common spam filtering method is to check the envelope sender to see if the domain exists. Any mail that is sent with a faked envelope sender to which bounces can't be sent is spam.
That means querying for either an MX record or A record for that domain, and bouncing all the spam that doesn't have either. Now, thanks to verisign, all spam sent with forged envelope senders in .com or .net wil go straight through this spam filter, increasing the amount of spam in many peoples mailboxes.
Yes, in theory you could look for the magic A record returned, but to do so is something of an operational nightmare, and impossible to do with most current MTAs.
Re:This is a bitch (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Abusing the Power that be (Score:5, Insightful)
There is no Internet (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://slashdot.org/ | Last Journal: Saturday November 18 2006, @08:52AM)
I feel it is worthwhile to post a more general response to this point as well.
There is this myth that "the Internet" exists as a single, cohesive network. It does not, and never has. "The Internet" is a network of networks. What that means is that a bunch of independent network operators have agreed to exchange traffic with each other because it benefits them. When you dial in to your ISP of choice (or plug in your Ethernet cable or whatever), you're not connecting to the Internet. You're connecting to your ISP. Your ISP probably connects to their ISP. Their ISP (if you're lucky) connects to several other ISPs, who connect to other ISPs, and so on. All these independent network operators form "the Internet". So, "the Internet" exists as an abstract concept (and a useful one), but not as something you can touch. Not even as something you can route traffic through. All you can do is connect to some other guy's network and hope for the best.
The reason this is important is because we are already seeing ISPs implementing countermeasures against this VeriSign move. Some are null-routing that IP address at layer two; others are using DNS tricks to give us the old behavior. If enough ISPs do this, VeriSign's move will be largely ineffective. In effect, ISPs as a community can veto VeriSign or anyone else. It only works if most of them agree and take action, of course, and it remains to be seen if they will do that. And, of course, some of these countermeasures may themselves be easily defeated, leading to an arms race (like the spammer vs anti-spam arms race).
The possible consequences of all this are, shall we say, interesting.
(BTW, I don't disagree with the OP's suggested course of action, nor with the principle behind it. I'm just pointing out that things are, as usual, more complicated then they might appear.)
How Long... (Score:3, Insightful)
(Last Journal: Friday April 09 2004, @01:09AM)
Re:How Long... (Score:5, Interesting)
(http://www.rigidsoftware.com/ | Last Journal: Saturday September 24 2005, @11:58PM)
My mother is visually impared. She was trying to go to www.biblegateway.com, but she went to www.gatewaybible.com. sacreligious scum.
It's hard for her to find the stupid MODAL popup windows when she is using a screen magnifier and the whole screen is not even showing...
A DNS error would have been MUCH nicer. She would not have even called me costing my employer productivity. Currently I know somebody is wasting money on those parked domains. This verisign situation is just sad.
How can we undo this? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:How can we undo this? (Score:5, Funny)
I think you mean Commander Taco. Or were you talking about that dns thing?
Re:How can we undo this? (Score:4, Interesting)
(http://www.mbrez.com/)
Re:How can we undo this? (Score:4, Interesting)
Unfortunately, the rep that answered the phone was unable to help, he said that he works for Network Solutions, and can only help with domain registration issues, and that the Verisign parent company runs the root nameservers. He was unable to give me a contact number for Verisign. However, you may want to try calling this number yourself to see if maybe a different rep has the contact number for Verisign.
I did a whois on the verisign.com domain, and came up with the main contact number for Verisign: 650-961-7500, but it's been ringing for the past 5 minutes, with no answer. One would think that they would have an automated voice-response system on their main number, so I think that they are being innudated with calls.
Strike Back with Poor Typing (Score:4, Funny)